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Cloud9 overhated
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Denmark JKTP 
How did things come to this? Was it because HenryG a caster became the head of the project? Because of player contracts being transparent? Probably a bit of both. I want to make something very clear, people are absolutely overhyping how poorly cloud9 did and the situation as a whole and it really sucks cause know no orgs will ever be transparent ever again, thanks. "They underperformed compared to the contracts" We don't know how much other teams are getting payed. Richard Lewis said this though "These fans go "Have you seen how much cloud9 are paying them" You don't know about the other players and how much they are making you only know about cloud9, and let me tell ya as somebody who sees contracts, hears about salaries, roster moves yeah you wouldn't believe some of the numbers that are being kicked around". Hate or love the man he tends to be right. Besides, rumors where that the old north roster was getting payed 20k a month for MUCH worse results. "They where overly confident" Not really, it's typical for orgs to throw out some banter to rile up the fans. HenryG decided that he would take on the pressure instead of his team by being the leading figure but really he did it because the team desperately needed it. It's bold if anything, in the end it backfired but it had nothing to do with confidence. "They underperformed compared to the talent" Did they really though? They had a lot of talented players, but that's about it. They did not have any "Star-player", they had Woxic who just got kicked from his roster, a mediocre IGL and some up and comming talented players and i guess es3tag. You could flip the question around and say why buy those players but what else could they have gotten? MSL i guess? But who else could they have bought at the current time. Espiranto? He wouldn't have changed anything. Additional problems people just forget: - Playing random tier 3 events for no reason further pressuring the team - ALEX was stuck in France due to extensive Corona lockdown which was impossible to predict - Creating a team under covid is a nightmare - Unable to bootcamp - Kassad jumping ship mid way through - Organization pressuring the "Collosus team" How come cloud9 was the one that got thrown under the bus, other teams like EG did much worse compared to them despite having a much better roster. They where just too lazy to put in the effort. TL:DR Stop hating cloud9, we need more organization transparency :D
2021-04-12 16:05
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Denmark pebblez
+1
2021-04-12 16:06
#2
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Reunion Esquinox
no they deserve hate /closed
2021-04-12 16:06
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+1
2021-04-12 16:11
no team deserves hate, especially ones being transparent and big ones who are essential to CS
2021-04-12 18:54
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#59
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Reunion Esquinox
cloud9 a big team axaxaxaxaxa
2021-04-12 18:55
+1
2021-04-12 16:06
-kassad jumping ship you do realize he wanted to stay but alex and kassad couldn't agree on playstyle, wasnt his fault
2021-04-12 16:08
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#8
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Denmark JKTP
Even if it wasn't his decision doesn't change the fact it was chaotic and really as far as what i heard, he wanted to bail the project after the rocky start
2021-04-12 16:10
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maybe, i havent heard anything about that but that could be right.
2021-04-12 16:17
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#17
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Denmark JKTP
I mean, it was the right decision Elmapuddy ended up being thrown under the bus instead of him.
2021-04-12 16:18
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#22
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Germany Droidd
rip elm i love that mens
2021-04-12 16:24
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#27
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Denmark JKTP
It's a shame, but it had to fall on someone
2021-04-12 16:26
No,Cloud9 is underhated,this org will never see any peace of hope
2021-04-12 16:08
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flair
2021-04-12 16:09
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United States Em_
Still butt-hurt about Boston I see
2021-04-12 16:51
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cries about it daily
2021-04-12 18:54
+1
2021-04-12 16:09
You are wrong about something. Henry didn't take on the pressure for his team, he actually put more pressure on them by expecting results too quickly.
2021-04-12 16:10
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#13
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Denmark JKTP
He made it pretty clear on an interview that the intention of the "Confidence" they showcased was simply to create some banter, to increase viewership etc. He might have expected more but i dought it as it was a new team. Was it a good idea? No, it was not
2021-04-12 16:12
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Russia thuccccccc
no
2021-04-12 16:10
Henryg was the worst manager in csgo history. Thats why a
2021-04-12 16:11
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If you look into context which for some reason you are unable to see he did an alright job, maybe even a good job with all the hurdles he had to pass through
2021-04-12 19:40
Bad and overpaid recruitment = team too expensive for its results. How is that complicated to understand ? I called it on the very day they announced the line up.
2021-04-12 16:12
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#15
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Denmark JKTP
It's not complicated, but you are simply wrong, with the exception of Es3tag. Compare this roster to the north roster Which would you prefer?
2021-04-12 16:15
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North is the second best example of an overpaid recruitment which led to a team too expensive for its results, which is why they were released too. Why would you call another line up which was fired as counter-example ? You're dumb as fuck mate
2021-04-12 16:20
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Europe Daudy
Dude its JKTP why do you bother?
2021-04-12 16:22
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#25
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Denmark JKTP
But you just agreed with me on another thread :O
2021-04-12 16:25
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#30
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Europe Daudy
I disagree with most of your takes because they seem delusional tbh i just dont bother replying. Also even broken clock is right 2 times per day...
2021-04-12 16:26
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#32
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Denmark JKTP
Flag does not check out, brother a broken clock is only right once per day here I mean it's not really my opinion it's more copy of other sources and i just combined them all.
2021-04-12 16:27
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Europe Daudy
I dont know what clocks you use in denmark but clock like these if broken are right two times a day i.imgur.com/K3k7smV.jpeg
2021-04-12 16:44
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#40
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Denmark JKTP
The clocks in Denmark are all digital :(
2021-04-12 16:45
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#42
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Europe Daudy
Digital clock if broken is never correct. either it shows incorrect time -> always wrong Or they dont show time at all -> cannot be right.
2021-04-12 16:48
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#44
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Denmark JKTP
If the clock has not been set it would only say 00:00 correct?
2021-04-12 16:49
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#46
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Europe Daudy
First of all if the clock hasnt been set its not broken. This is like saying car that wasnt ignited is broken. (talking about initial set like when they are on display in stores) Second most digital clocks if reset to 00:00 start to go so after 30 minutes it will show 00:30 so that would make them wrong and until you set them correct they are wrong (in some scenarios daylight savings time change might remedy this but thats highly inprobable) So again digital clock under normal use when broken will be incorrect with almost 100% certainty.
2021-04-12 16:54
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#48
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Denmark JKTP
Ok Daudy can't you just let me have this one I fucked up and i realized it from the get go, but i had to keep going. I thought you meant as in PM and AM cause we don't do that here until i realized that our clocks are the same. My iq dipped below the 0 line for just a second too long
2021-04-12 16:55
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#51
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Europe Daudy
LUL anyways the point is i most often disagree but i couldnt be bothered to argue you since you are stubborn a lot of the time (no hate just telling you since you kinda asked)
2021-04-12 16:57
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#55
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Denmark JKTP
I mean i would like to say something but for the life of me i cant remember what we have argued about
2021-04-12 18:47
#23
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Denmark JKTP
North did not get kicked out because they where overpaid, what happened was covid damaged Soccer and movie theaters and thus the biggest sponsors of North (FC København and Nordisk FIlm) could not afford any E-sports teams and closed all of them. If they where being overpayed why would they try to create "North Talent" which was rumored to be true You say "You're dumb as fuck mate" but you arent right?
2021-04-12 16:25
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North CSGO was dependant from soccer because, being overpaid, there was no way they could ever be profitable and were a burden, which is why they were the first thing to be cut when soccer became less profitable too. If they had been profitable they would not have been released, thus they were kicked because they were extremly overpaid regarding their ability to generate revenues (and compared to other CSGO teams of the same tiers). Sorry for being right.
2021-04-12 16:30
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#37
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Denmark JKTP
That's not really what happened, I can see why you would think that and to some extend there is truth in it, but there is much more to the story because FC Copenhagen cut ties will everything they where sponsoring not just the E-sports teams, and obviously the e-sports teams where also affected by covid. Also some tax-related laws in DK and Sweden. They went for "State Bussiness Support" and they needed certain requirements to be true.
2021-04-12 16:34
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Turkey 69kagan
There is no reason to like this org, they betrayed the loyal NA & South African fans
2021-04-12 16:19
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#19
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Denmark JKTP
More like the NA fans betrayed them when they jumped to Valorant
2021-04-12 16:19
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#24
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Germany Droidd
nah shaddapfakup
2021-04-12 16:25
This team was doomed from the start, it was just a matter of waiting to see how long it took
2021-04-12 16:25
Hard agree with this post. people just like dogpiling because it's cloud9, but if it was another top tier team like astralis per say, you'd have these haters sucking Zonic's danish ass cuck for days. Cloud9 don't deserve the hate, hell, no team deserves the amount of hate this team got. but HLTV is like borderline cancerous as a community
2021-04-12 16:26
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+1
2021-04-12 16:29
+1
2021-04-12 16:26
It was henry's fault for hyping them up when they weren't even tier 2.
2021-04-12 16:27
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Poland kruky
No hate intended but it all started with HenryG thinking he knows a shit about the game when in reality he was just shouting caster, nothing else. If anyone from commentators are capable of actually understanding game on high level I would say it's ddk, probably moses and for obvious reasons spunJ
2021-04-12 16:31
real
2021-04-12 16:30
"everyone with a bit of cs knowledge can understand the potencial of the lineup" and " it makes me smile to know that we will prove you all wrong" I think the hate mostly goes towards henryG, which i can fully understand. He did a great Job by creating hype, props for that, but thats just the backslash for overhyping them and, as you said, creating so much pressure on his Team.
2021-04-12 16:39
This was a very good text, good job. I think that everything you said is true.
2021-04-12 16:47
i think c9 release their roster to fast just like ex-c9 (Extra Salt) ex-c9 they just need change some players, then everything turns out to be better so many available player Guardian Nifty michu calyx ex-winstrike roster bnb pt2 o-plano roster NaTo etc dont need to take all of the roster, just probably trial 1 player? just need some adjustment, but c9 giving up to fast.... sad
2021-04-12 16:49
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United States squidos
Just imagine if they decided to pick up a different star AWPer. Half their issues would have been gone.
2021-04-12 16:59
Sorry, but adding woxic and Alex into a roster, which you wanted to become a top10 (or even top5) contester really deserves its talk over the stupidity of the investor. EDIT: Not even mentioning e33tag with his MAX tier2 mechanics.
2021-04-12 16:55
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Europe Jimboo
nt Ryan
2021-04-12 16:55
tl;dr c9 is a joke though
2021-04-12 16:55
#52
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Germany TrTafitson
Only read TL:DR but I dont think people hated on the transparency. That obviously was a great thing. People hated on the over hype of a mediocre roster that never delivered and that nobody apart from HenryG ever expected to really deliver.
2021-04-12 16:59
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#67
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Denmark JKTP
People only really thought negatively about the squad due to it's transperency, according to richard Lewis the squad wasn't particularly expensive compared to many other orgs.
2021-04-13 01:36
If anything blame henryg's cockiness.He was the one to set the bar too high when he was building the team.Talking shit like how his team is more efficient compared to other teams and would start showing results within two months.And forcing es3tag to awp when the dude would have flourished in any other role. I actually feel bad for the org cloud9. They tried to build something and the results couldn't have turned out any worse.
2021-04-12 17:19
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Norway BijeaN
+1
2021-04-12 18:50
+1
2021-04-12 18:54
wtf u talking?
2021-04-12 19:30
#62
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United States Azaqa
+1 except the part about "who else could they have gotten?" if theyre already going to put lots of money into making a top contender team why not wait for a star to become available or buyout a star (up and coming star such as flamez back then would even be a far better option for them than mezii". To say this team wasnt rushed is just wrong, so much potential but they rushed it and ofc other issues such as kassad leaving came up but ultimately it was their fault for rushing the completion of the team and for deciding to compete in shit tier 3 events (idk if HenryG decision on that or ALEX or C9?) Edit: TLDR good opinion except C9 rushed team and could have gotten more complete roster, or before just disbanding could have gotten a star and kicked mezii or floppy (such as El1an GuardiaN NaTo or up and coming NA star)
2021-04-12 19:41
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United States Azaqa
Note: before disbanding amazing pickups were available instead of just wasting the full 6 million such as GuardiaN, NaToSaphix, some up and coming NA players such as Jonji or ptr, or even maybe El1an. Kicking mezii or perhaps floppy and picking up one of these players would have done wonders for their roster and they could have some real solid performances with this roster
2021-04-12 19:39
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#66
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Denmark JKTP
Guardian and Natosaphix are not better than anyone on that squad at present time. Also let's be honest if they switch FlameZ for Mezii that's not gonna fundementally change the team. Also he became available 6 months later, that's a bit out of the time scaling
2021-04-13 01:35
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#68
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United States Azaqa
mezii is horrible, guardian is an awper 1. which would help them and 2. its a risk theyd take just like every other member of that roster where you arent sure if theyll be able to put up numbers, if guardian could come even close to his old form c9 would be a top contender. Nato is just a better version of mezii (in that hes actually good). Also as I mentioned this didnt have to be at the formation of the team, they could have tried this instead of just disbanding wasting all the money put into the roster fully
2021-04-13 01:39
I've defended this team through thick and thin, not for bad performances that's just a team issue and there's no excuse for that but the incessant hate that they've got for salaries, twitter etc. I guarantee if i looked into some of these people saying +1 i would find them hating C9 like everyone else. Its just with hindsight that they've seen how big of a mistake they've made.
2021-04-12 19:39
- ALEX was stuck in France due to extensive Corona lockdown which was impossible to predict doesn't he live in France lol?
2021-04-13 01:53
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