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Kyojin: How can you get away with cheating (on LAN) Jayson???
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France LeDiplomate 
Yo les noobs, WHat I will post is nothing new, Jayson has been a known cheater for years in the French scene, and the Google Docs and the clip I will post will explain better than words: -drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gATofzirpJRHk.. So basically all these VAC-banned accounts relate to him. Given the shitstorm that ensued in the French community he had his dad come to twitter to say that "He [the dad] cheated, all his brothers cheated, but Jayson did not." Yeah sure lmao, I'd have thought it was a joke until I read it for myself. clips.twitch.tv/EagerPlausibleMelonNonon.. French subtop LAN semifinal in 2019, the lock is so obvious even the casters ask for
2021-04-12 23:18
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#1
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Denmark pebblez
cry
2021-04-12 23:18
10 replies
+1
2021-04-13 18:44
9 replies
"fan of pm" Says it all OMEGALUL
2021-04-14 22:21
8 replies
comming from a fan of KRL...
2021-04-14 22:30
PM best caster in the world!
2021-04-16 11:38
#234
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Denmark Yikesslol
How the fuck are you gonna send a clip without xray and say he locked through the wall lol
2021-04-30 21:06
2 replies
Yo le noob, I couldn't bother linking the demo because the clip is way easier to find, but feel free to check by yourself ;)
2021-04-30 21:07
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#251
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Denmark Yikesslol
why would i do that? Waste time on such a stupid topic is just braindead
2021-04-30 21:37
"fan of Subroza" says it all OMEGALUL
2021-04-30 21:10
1 reply
+100
2021-04-30 23:27
Fan of KRL lmfao
2021-04-30 21:54
A clip of it as it was plain ridiculous. Anyways fait play to him if he managed to get Valve to clear him, but rip Jamppi, vsm, KQLY and all the others...
2021-04-12 23:19
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#12
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Latvia heywire
KQLY legit cheated though are you dumb? jampii probly used hack for fun
2021-04-12 23:26
12 replies
Jampii wasnt the one to cheat tho
2021-04-13 12:19
9 replies
He was, the other way his destiny would be better there
2021-04-13 14:50
8 replies
He sold his account to a friend for a Lan party and that friend cheated on it, thats confirmed information btw, even Valve admitted to it
2021-04-13 15:27
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#158
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Finland Nollegee
+1 Valve admitted that jamppi never cheated but they still didnt’t remove vac
2021-04-13 16:28
2 replies
He deserved better, hope he crushes it in valorant
2021-04-13 19:02
1 reply
He wont, he comes back to cs
2021-04-30 21:01
#253
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Pakistan hawrU
do you really believe that?
2021-04-30 21:40
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#254
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Canada Minami
Do you even believe in something? If he can prove that his friend moved money to his bank account prior to the vac ban, does that mean that even the bank is in the conspiracy?
2021-04-30 21:45
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#256
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Pakistan hawrU
oh I didnt know about that money transfer this seems legit
2021-04-30 21:52
valve literally knew jamppi didnt cheat but they didnt remove the ban bcs of the vac policy
2021-04-30 20:52
Yes very funny
2021-04-13 14:49
legit cheated? cheated for fun? where is the difference lmao
2021-04-30 14:31
My man really Said “rip kqly” hahagagaha
2021-04-13 00:03
11 replies
I'm talking about those who cheated but were not passed by Valve smh
2021-04-13 00:05
10 replies
no. You listed 2 players who cheated for fun in their teens and a guy who cheated as a professional player in real top tier tournaments - huge difference
2021-04-13 00:07
9 replies
True, but Kyojin cheated at a somewhat decent level too, so rip KQLY and Emilio I guess.
2021-04-13 00:13
4 replies
interesting that you're convinced he's hacking. You should go tell Valve that so they will ban him
2021-04-13 00:22
3 replies
Yeah this is my opinion and it is shared by the majority of the active french community. I said fair play to him if he managed to make Valve look like fools, good for him if he can continue his career and prove us wrong. Check #41 btw, interesting
2021-04-13 00:24
1 reply
Your opinion is not the opinion of the majority of the active french community. How do you explain that some legends as NBK fully support him and trust him while knowing the accusation, but you can't ?
2021-05-01 14:44
I mean he ahd 4 or 5 VAC banned accounts. Now id that doesn't mean he has been cheating then I don't know what would prove it :D
2021-04-30 21:00
Is there proof kqly cheated in a tournament? No irony, idk
2021-04-13 00:30
3 replies
circumstancial evidence afaik, but nothing definitive and no smoking gun (so to speak)
2021-04-13 01:18
no he said supex0 gave him the cheat for 1 week trial or something and he tried it on public servers but never used in actual tournaments, which is hard to believe considering how the cheat was designed
2021-04-13 01:18
He admitted to cheating for a week. hltv.org/news/13651/kqly-ban-was-justifi.. Just read it: "At the end of August, I was contacted by a supex0 progammer, who built a strong case and told me that a lot of pros were using the program. "Instantly, I became curious. He gave me access to the program for seven days. Like an idiot, I fell into temptation, which was too great. I wanted to see what it looked like on public servers and matchmaking. "I did not use it after that. I was going to join Titan and I did not need to take unnecessary risks while I had all that I needed. "instantly I became curious" "I did not need to take unnecessary risks while I had all that I needed" Probably only makes sense in france. Obviously trying to save his ass from probable lawsuits. fxy0's comment about it: hltv.org/news/13662/fxy0-kqly-a-cheater-.. The moment kqly got banned, sf knew he will get banned as well since they were using same cheat. Sf just told his mates that he won't go to dreamhack. I am not going to look for source. You will have to look it up. 2014 cs was crazy with so many weird things going on. I remember a match on inferno where sf was so fucking fast with the awp, I called my mates to watch it together cause I couldn't believe how he won every awp battle by just being two times faster than the opponent. Kqly did some insane shit as well. He was just too fucking fast. He'd peek with left side peek and closer to the corner but was still faster with the insta hs. Not just once or twice. So fucking many times. I remember watching their matches and just not being able to comprehend how they can win these situations over and over again vs better teams. Problem was that gotv was only fucking 32tick, so what you saw, was not what they saw. It was fucking stupid. If you think proscene was clean I got some bad news. There were always some pros cheating. Even back around 2000 during clanbase times. "pro" teams (pricemoney was like 1k usd) used custom m4 skin with very long barrel to see it behind walls. Or arrows on top of the head. Changing interp values for ez awping was also a thing. First guy hacking on lan I saw was 2006, some norwegian guy. Later they used things like soundscripts on lan. zblock circumvention online and modification of game files -as long as it had the same size, the game didn't notice - They really did use game deficit back then. Whatever you could exploit, someone on the high level was exploiting it. Those stories and more are from 2000-2009 I wasn't active afterwards. Now I am not saying every pro hacks. But I am sure there are still some out there, cause they have always been out there. Especially in the semi-pro scene. Maybe there is even one or two in the top20. It's not like we will ever know.
2021-04-13 02:12
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Denmark pebblez
wait wtf is that clip
2021-04-12 23:19
16 replies
French lan. "cry"
2021-04-12 23:20
7 replies
#5
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Denmark pebblez
Is he hacking?
2021-04-12 23:21
6 replies
Maybe read the thread?
2021-04-12 23:21
5 replies
#10
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Denmark pebblez
So he is a cheater, why did Vitality sign him then?
2021-04-12 23:22
4 replies
idk
2021-04-12 23:52
Because Valve said he isn't linked to any VACced accounts and he probably didn't cheat since a long time (he is pretty good). But the problem is that the "cheats" might have been what put him in the spotlight in the first place. He probably took another pugger's place that will never get the spotlight he deserves because of this guy. But i might extrapolate
2021-04-12 23:59
2 replies
guess we'll see
2021-04-13 18:55
1 reply
I don't think Vitality would cheat a toxic kid cheating a lot. This guy just read too much MaLeK (not G2 coach) salty comments because he thought he would have been signed. But still, I'm kinda confused because I don't see Kyo performing well for his starts with V, surely the pressure of playing in Tier 1/2, we need time to figure out
2021-04-30 21:58
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Russia mrPIVO
cadian did the same trick a few days ago, so this is what we call "pro moves" today
2021-04-12 23:39
7 replies
+1
2021-04-12 23:43
What did Kyojin actually do in this clip? Just pre-fire as he saw a dot on his radar or heard something? What did Cadian do? He saw the guy jump behind the boxes before wallbanging them if that's the episode on Mirage you talk about.
2021-04-12 23:44
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#28
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Russia mrPIVO
I'm kinda trolling, I don't really think someone plays with cheats on big tournaments, but Heroic are clearly the most suspicious team atm. Since the last year or even earlier imo. Nothing personal, just thoughts
2021-04-12 23:55
4 replies
all the shining stars of the online era are suspicious. it's not just heroic. it is gambit, big, et cetera as well.
2021-04-13 07:09
#103
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Ireland JesuSenia
Cry is free
2021-04-13 07:16
#233
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Spain kE01
i guess u didnt saw them play any match??? they work so hard, they played against 9z tier 3-4-5 team and they played at their max level, their coach studied 9z plays, they change strats for every map, and they play so good as a team. CSGO its not an aim game anymore my dude, now everyone has good aim, the diference on the level of the players is how can you outplay other enemies, the level of teamplay you have and the fast you are
2021-04-30 21:05
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Hunden is the best coach you could ask for
2021-04-30 23:35
Valve said it was okay so...
2021-04-12 23:21
fan of KRL lol
2021-04-12 23:21
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#210
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France poulpup
krl 2 years ago "zywoo 100% a cheater let's watch him get ban lol"
2021-04-17 05:41
what am i supposed to see in that clip?
2021-04-12 23:21
2 replies
You can't see because it's the live one but there was a video of the demo and his crosshair when he shot was on the head of bramz who was long. It's because of this clip and this google drive that he stepped down from WonderKids (team with flex0r, misutaaa, Nivera, PythonRoyal) 1 and a half year ago.
2021-04-12 23:44
1 reply
Lol that's messed up
2021-04-13 01:16
As we've seen with jamppi and vsm it's not like valve would unban him if there wasn't enough proofs of him being innocent
2021-04-12 23:23
7 replies
shhh...hltv experts know better ... 😎
2021-04-12 23:30
They didn't "unban him" they just didn't find a link between the VACced accounts and his everyday account. They can still be grey area like did he use a VPN when he cheated online etc because Valve uses IPs and email to link accounts AFAIK
2021-04-12 23:50
5 replies
Witch hunts like this one and the one with woro2k are just shameful
2021-04-12 23:53
2 replies
wdym ?
2021-04-12 23:57
Yes woro2k is a very legit player who is just gifted with wallhack-vision built into his eyes. Not his fault.
2021-04-13 02:27
no ip or email but hardware id so basically if u dont want any acc tied, change pc and never log into banned accs and they can never link em
2021-04-13 00:10
1 reply
Oh OK make sense
2021-04-13 00:14
the clips are really meh, nothing weird except the one in mid mirage And even that, I usually spam this spot when something jumps around mid and tries to hide So well...
2021-04-12 23:28
1 reply
+1
2021-04-13 12:11
Should’ve brought Nivera back
2021-04-12 23:29
3 replies
#112
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Belgium lil_vodka
+1
2021-04-13 12:00
nivera is a great player but i dont think he'd be able to replace rpk role wise
2021-04-13 12:17
1 reply
+1
2021-04-13 12:17
99,99% sure this guy is cheating
2021-04-12 23:32
12 replies
+1 His case is very heavy. And this clip at 0:21 youtube.com/watch?v=qzn8RJIVBic&t=73s&ab.. That's 100% cheats
2021-04-13 15:10
11 replies
wtf is this shit at 0:21 LOL
2021-04-13 17:36
10 replies
Lol, why did he even put it in the video... That can't be anything but cheat.
2021-04-13 19:00
9 replies
Ever heard about luck?
2021-04-16 11:42
8 replies
Bro XD Don't try to defend this.
2021-04-16 11:58
7 replies
1. Can I ask you rank? 2. He has been cleared by Valve. How could it be possible if he was cheating. I'm casually enjoying his highlights right now. I think he is very talented and I can't wait to see him play in T1 CS. (I can be wrong about him, obviously)
2021-04-16 12:12
6 replies
I'm currently level 7 on faceit. May I ask what does it have to do with the subject? Running HS through the smoke with a perfectly smooth 1ms flick? Just watch it in 0.25x speed. I don't get what enjoying his highlights have to do here, everybody thinks his highlights are amazing. Don't try to defend this. Valve cleared any links between him and VAC accounts. Valve doesn't care about Kyojin, they don't bother watch his highlights or analyze cheats allegations.
2021-04-16 13:17
5 replies
It has to do with game knowledge. If you are low rank you find what he does insane, if you are high rank you find that "normal/possible" (not saying his flick is normal). But I suppose you are not thinking he cheats just with this 3 second clip. Show me other fishy clips (Lan clip not included) Also, the clip is a demo (so not filmed live) Let's suppose he cheats, do you really think he would go download the demo and include this kill in his highlight video. Valve is not gonna check someone for cheat allegations. His account has been cleared, so there must be a reason why they did that.
2021-04-16 13:32
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Bro game knowledge =/= level Football analysts aren't former professional players, most of the time. But they understand the game far better than many pro players. Running hs is already almost impossible, but it is far range, with a smoke and he does a perfectly smooth 1ms flick on the head. I mean, it is possible because everything is possible, but that's so highly improbable that it can't be anything else than cheats. Once again, Valve didn't clear his account, Valve cleared him from the allegations saying some VAC accounts belonged to him. But it's most likely that these accounts were VAC for more than 5 years and that he had the information that VAC wouldn't ban players from Valve events if they have been banned for more than 5 years. They didn't do it because of Kyojin, he wasn't even a pro player... Absolute no name. They did it because of all the scandals about VSM, Jamppi etc.
2021-04-16 14:37
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Of course game knowledge =/= level. But it is more probable that a high level player knows more than a low player. Yes running HS is impossible but is there a cheat where you can be precise when running and shooting. If there is that's probably the most retarded cheat to use at high lvl cs. As if you never had a lucky shot. Also, do you have other fishy clips?
2021-04-16 15:22
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But that's not a "lucky" shot, that's pure bs lol. youtube.com/watch?v=TJnHNMDaHX4&t=1s&ab_.. 0:32 is pretty weird but tbh i'm not on a witch hunt. I love Kyojin too, I just hope he's not cheating, and some clips are so weird it makes it almost unbelievable he's not cheating. Maybe he's the Aim God? Anyway, he's cleared now, clips are all explainable in some way, that's not very relevant to discuss this I think... We all wish him good luck and hope he doesn't cheat.
2021-04-16 17:16
1 reply
I find the play at 1.24 strange too.
2021-04-30 21:21
idk bro wouldnt make sense for a company which was very reluctant to unban players with vac bans to just hand out a free pass to kyojin if there wasnt sufficient proof for him to be clean
2021-04-12 23:33
3 replies
Maybe different IPs between his today account and his Vac Ban accounts + the cheat he "might have use" at the lan was probably not VACable. idk but it's possible
2021-04-12 23:50
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#107
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Russia scorchy
Valve would never rely on IP addresses to verify if someone was convicted of cheating, hardware IDs would be the minimum, maybe even more
2021-04-13 11:05
1 reply
Make sense thanks
2021-04-13 13:16
#20
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Ukraine ksay
r/vacsucks thank me later
2021-04-12 23:43
5 VAC bans? xaxaxaxaxa Volvo disband yourself
2021-04-12 23:50
xray clip for overpass ?
2021-04-12 23:56
1 reply
The demo is probably available somewhere, check vakarm maybe. I saw a demo clip tho and the crosshair goes straight on the long guys' head.
2021-04-12 23:58
wouldn't shock me if all teams had at least 1 cheater in their team mayb not with actual bot but like aimlocks for scouting enemies position
2021-04-12 23:59
This guy must have have gaben's wife hot pics, thats the only reason lmao.
2021-04-13 00:02
Yeah that control on the burst on the first guy was very tight then him shooting again was weird but who knows. Maybe that was a bait for his teammate or something
2021-04-13 00:05
1 reply
If it was only this clip, but the google docs is a whole other thing.
2021-04-13 00:06
Mdr vakarm.net/news/read/RpK-sur-le-banc-Kyo.. they already know what's up
2021-04-13 00:13
5 replies
Haha yeah not the usual French cocksucking towards their players :D
2021-04-13 00:14
4 replies
-shox -ZywOo -Misutaa -apEX -XTQZZZ +AREA +KQLY +Sf +dayos +B1GGY as coach and maybe it will work i don't know
2021-04-13 00:27
3 replies
Top tier team ez Major for sure!
2021-04-13 00:36
#79
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Greece hekzy
What hapoened to AREA?
2021-04-13 01:32
1 reply
#85
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Poland @P3tr@
He got banned, he came back and got banned again
2021-04-13 01:59
"the lock is so obvious even the casters ask for" it's a known fact that at the moment you can cast a game, your opinion is worth so much more right you become instantly an expert in everything
2021-04-13 00:17
#55
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France Poloqua
bruh, this is fishy
2021-04-13 00:30
Immediately after I saw his face, I thought: "oh yeah, this one is using..."
2021-04-13 00:34
? Nothing wrong at all with that Twitch clip? I even slowed it down to 0.25 speed?
2021-04-13 00:34
4 replies
If you watch the demo his crosshair places perfectly on the long guy's head, even the casters find it so ridiculous they ask for a clip of it. And the google doc, well, it's just funy at this point...
2021-04-13 00:37
3 replies
Yeah i heard that guy say something "clip blabla" in that Twitch clip you posted. But...yeah, idk, its not super fishy tbh. Judging this guy from one short clip is wrong as well. And i mean, if they cleared him he should be "clean". Sure, that thing with his father and brothers is kinda weird i suppose.
2021-04-13 00:40
2 replies
I mean fair enough, good for him if he got cleared, but we know how muvh of clowns Valve can be. Anyways now he has no noundaries restraining from advancing in his career and prove us wrong. What I don't understand is Vitality's move, like you replace a reliable veteran with someone hated by the French community and with a strage background, are they trying to fuck up their brand image or what?
2021-04-13 00:44
1 reply
Hated by the community? Most french people are sucking him off.
2021-04-13 01:08
Misutaaa on the other team poggers
2021-04-13 00:37
So Vitality benched a promising young guy whom everyone liked, then removed one of the biggest legends of French CS and replaced him with a guy whom the whole French scene hates and who has 5 VAC bans tied to his name? :D Like they are trying to fuck up their image on purpose or something.
2021-04-13 00:37
9 replies
Yeah idk what game they are playing tbh, this is the weirdest move i've ever seen. They say Nivera wouldn't fit rpk's roles whereas kyojin is perfect, which is fair, but why take such a risk,??? Anyways the clowns at Valve cleared him so good for him I guess lmao.
2021-04-13 00:40
6 replies
they can just put misutaa into rpk roles, he's useless anyways
2021-04-13 00:42
I hope they know what they are doing with the team, but it's a shame anyway that they would willingly sign someone who is most certainly a cheater, whether he's 'cleared' by Volvo or not. 'Father and brothers were cheating, not me' is the lamest shit I've ever heard, it's worse than 'dog ate my homework'.
2021-04-13 00:45
#67
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Canada Minami
Well... they took the risk with Zywoo too... known cheater in the french scene....
2021-04-13 00:47
3 replies
And Navi took the same risk with a guy banned from ESL for cheating
2021-04-13 00:55
How can you even compare that lmao?
2021-04-13 00:57
1 reply
#73
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Canada Minami
The clip on lan is weird, some of his plays online too, even on the video released by Vitality. I genuinely don't care about his past as long as he never cheats on a pro lvl. As soon as you get a bit better than others online, your called a cheater anyway. If one day he is banned like KQLY on a real match, we can rip his stomac open at this moment. For now, he passed his trial with Valve and Vitality. He has a legendary big shot to replace, wait and see.
2021-04-13 01:10
Not everyone hates him
2021-04-14 22:42
1 reply
Yeah but he is still the most hated player in the French scene...
2021-04-16 11:32
#70
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United States Azaqa
Only fishy thing out of the entire pdf is that one clip you linked, thats very strange... The one mirage mid he saw shoulder then prefire and whiff (not even shooting at head thru wall???) The d2 one is just a normal kill... Inferno one is just snappy aim plenty of players have aim that look like that (such as Kjaerbye, ScreaM etc)... His "proof" of cheating on alts is just dumb, who is stupid enough to do cheat on alts and friend them etc? Honestly believe his story with his family cheating theres no way valve unban him and not vsm jamppi if there wasnt proof of it. Edit: did some investigation ig and that really sus clip on overpass looks like a mouse misclick or some shit? It isnt actually in line with his head or anything gyazo.com/79ca8f35cd70b5083d5096b8983e01.. its just relatively close
2021-04-13 01:00
8 replies
lmao
2021-04-13 01:08
"only fishy thing" man has 4 accounts with vac bans, all relate to him
2021-04-13 01:21
6 replies
#80
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United States Azaqa
Nobody is dumb enough to cheat on 4 alts and friend them all, this is why the family excuse is pretty believable. With the little faith in valve I have I still have enough belief in them that they dont fuck something like this up if it was a blatant lie
2021-04-13 01:37
5 replies
true that, i just hope he's of use, he's older than zywoo but is a no namer
2021-04-13 01:39
1 reply
#82
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United States Azaqa
+1
2021-04-13 01:41
Well most likely all these accouunts don't belong to him, but at least one is pretty certain. Like he "The whole family cheats but not him" is the biggest bs I've ever heard, like who else also cheats, his dog???
2021-04-13 01:55
2 replies
#84
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United States Azaqa
I mean idk maybe multiple accounts from his family or something I just cant see a world where valve manage to fuck up looking into something that really does seem to be a worse excuse than "The dog ate my homework" it must be very easy to look into this sort of thing if the family allowed valve to investigate which it seems like they did
2021-04-13 01:58
1 reply
Probably, although my opinion is that he definitely cheated, but as I said fair luck to him if he got cleared, and I hope he succeeds while staying clean (as he seems to have not cheated in some time).
2021-04-13 02:18
#78
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France Yougz
I'm 50/50 on him Like 2 years ago a lot of people of the french subtop were trahsing him ( Braamz, Tchoupi, Idex linked the PDF on Vakarm website...). And now all these guys are praising him or playing with him. I kinda trust Flex0r and XTQZZZ too, they aren't trash like B1ggy they are the opposite with a good spirit and they hate everything about cheating. I don't see Vitality risking their top team (regarding all their roster on other game) on a move for him if they aren't sure that he is clean. And honeslty the PDF look like it's written by a 12 year old hater. I think that like Jamppi he cheated before but is clear today, we will never know I guess
2021-04-13 01:26
4 replies
#88
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United States PP_Bizon
+1 wtf is that pdf lmao
2021-04-13 02:19
benefit of the doubt. It would be foolish for them to say he is or was hacking without being able to prove it. Only acceptable proof is a vac ban and since valve cleared him, there isn't really anything to discuss. I really hate cheaters. Started playing when I was 13 and it never occured to me to use cheats or anything to gain an advantage. I'd support if everyone who cheated in faceit/esea and above, no matter how big or small the tournament / qualifier would get a lifetime ban, but we also can't condemn everyone with a vacced account. Too many possible scenarios. Imo the whole topic is not worth talking about. In the end, valve cleared him. Who cares about anything else.
2021-04-13 02:23
2 replies
????? its not foolish to say that he hacked
2021-04-13 07:09
1 reply
It's not the first time an upcomer has a "troubled" past and it wouldn't be the first time a pro said that an upcomer is hacking. Any time that happened the pro looked like a piece of shit. So yes, for Flex0r and XTQZZZ it would be more than just foolish to call hacks here.
2021-04-13 10:35
0/8 you cant cheat on vac secured servers
2021-04-13 02:32
2 replies
that's like saying no one can rob a bank because it has walls around it
2021-04-13 03:05
1 reply
#108
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Russia scorchy
nt, worst example ive ever seen, vac instantly bans anyone who attempts to cheat lul
2021-04-13 11:08
#92
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Italy ROMAG
that clip doesnt prove that he was cheating lol. you only has that clip?
2021-04-13 02:36
Keep doing your thing LeDiplomate they hate you because you're saying the truth +1 in #46
2021-04-13 02:56
All the evidence is circumstantial at best, Valvo in all their 'infinite wisdom' has not barred him from competing so maybe they have their own methods for fine combing a player's history. I'm quite willing to give clemency to players who get past their own darker histories, after all no doping bans are lifelong I have doubts he can replace rpk in the short term but that's something to be seen. If he delivers a good game, cleanly, that's all any Vitality fan could ask for
2021-04-13 03:07
1 reply
no they have no special way of combing the history of an account. i'd wager that valve keeps an eye on prominent organizations in the esports scene and some are important enough to let a few vac bans slide or vitality has the right connections.
2021-04-13 07:24
Is this the first time that Valve actually cleared someones ban ? I can remember a few cases where Valve just didnt even want to investigate anything, let alone clear a player (I think dream3r was the first example of that). Like how would they tell that it was his dad or brothers or whoever that actually cheated on those accounts? There is so many uncertainties in this case, so I can't really believe that he never cheated.
2021-04-13 03:21
I stopped at Fan of KRL
2021-04-13 04:19
#98
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Peru TheJuan
Kenny's called zywoo a cheater and look how that turned out
2021-04-13 04:23
3 replies
kennys isnt wrong
2021-04-13 07:10
2 replies
name checks out
2021-04-13 11:11
1 reply
fan of team hard carried by cheater
2021-04-16 13:36
Seems like speculation to me. The clips didn't prove much. Idk if it did to other people, but these clips if made into a video would really remind me of the "crisp clean lock" dude (Stewie2k cheating). Ropz was a "known" cheater as well. Hated by MANY, because apparently it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to be that good back in the day. He had to go to Faceit HQ to clear his name and he friggin did. As far as I am concerned not much has been proven to be clearly impossible in this scene of ours. Sparkles made a video about how cheaters even won at Faceit events. So until LAN comes back around, the top teams could all be cheating if that's what we wish to think. Oh and especially all those up and coming teams are SUS AS DUCK (sarcasm).
2021-04-13 07:00
3 replies
Well if it was only the clips I'd agree 100% with you, but there's also all these VACced accounts that relate to him, and the explanation of "Everyone in the family cheats but him" is totally ridiculous.
2021-04-13 10:52
2 replies
Idk that's our biased opinion still. Possible if you ask me. But let's say you are right. Do you reckon he still cheats now or?
2021-04-13 11:55
1 reply
No I don't think so, he is really talented regardless. That's why as he somhow managed to get Volvo to clear him, fair play to him and I only wish for him to have a great career and prove he can succeed without cheating.
2021-04-13 12:04
Shingeki no Kyojin
2021-04-13 12:08
"relate to him", bro if you gonna hate on someone at least be 100% sure about the proof you have
2021-04-13 12:15
7 replies
Yo le noob, This is the point of the provided google doc, which cearly shows he is the owner of these accounts.
2021-04-13 12:17
6 replies
The only thing I see is friends circled in red, avatars and faceit profiles that you allegedly say are his. Plus, if they are, you don't know that he wasn't, for example hacked or someone (friend/family) played in his account
2021-04-13 12:22
5 replies
Well the excuse is "Everyone in the family cheated but not him", which is lame to say the least. You are free to believe what you want tho, and as I said he is really talented regardless. That's why as he somehow managed to get Volvo to clear him, fair play to him and I only wish for him to have a great career and prove he can succeed without cheating.
2021-04-13 12:28
4 replies
I just hate any hate to any pro player (especially cheating accusations), that is a lame excuse and I did not know that, but regardless I hope he plays well like Vitality are counting on him to
2021-04-13 12:31
3 replies
When cheaters are potentially scamming rightful winners out of well earned money the community should try to be skeptical.
2021-04-30 21:12
2 replies
Of course, but it's an allegation (not 100% sure that it was him) and either way I'm sure he is looking for redemption, if he did do that. Plus, what he did back then shouldn't be holding him back, as it might just have been a stupid mistake (if he did do that).
2021-04-30 22:53
1 reply
thing is we aren't even talking about someone's opinion, we are talking about owning accounts that have been vac banned, that warrants a new level of suspicion
2021-05-01 02:01
ahh that explains his "im so cool i hit 5 insane hs i dont react at all" attitude
2021-04-13 12:16
15 replies
clips.twitch.tv/EagerPlausibleMelonNonon.. He should prove that one then :)
2021-04-13 12:30
14 replies
explain? cause i see nothing in this clip
2021-04-13 12:32
10 replies
#132
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Canada Minami
With X-ray he pre-shot the head from the guy in long through the wall and it looks like a lock. This clip forced him to step down from this team.
2021-04-13 12:37
7 replies
Can you link a source for him stepping down for that reason?
2021-04-13 13:15
There's the x-ray clip somewhere? Looking at radar, it looks like he's pointing a bit more to the right, but it's hard to tell, what's true is that it has no sense by an aimhack to shot there because there's a double wall on the middle but a similar behavior happens on mid mirage, so who knows. It shouldn't be a missclick with keyboard since he moves right.
2021-04-13 13:29
#155
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United States Azaqa
Wrong, I drew a line on radar and its to the right of his head so its just a mouse misclick or something gyazo.com/79ca8f35cd70b5083d5096b8983e01..
2021-04-13 16:24
4 replies
Yes and the bullets on your screen are slightly on the left of the crosshair. Or something....right. He got dropped for this and modern aimlock don't jump like shit from 2013 on people's head unless you are using some free shit like his father and brothers i guess? :p
2021-04-13 16:45
3 replies
#165
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United States Azaqa
he fired 2 bullets one was to the left of ss and one was right where ss was taken
2021-04-13 17:18
2 replies
gyazo.com/efc60654821e78003c467e3e81e587.. Second slightly visible behind the green left dot.
2021-04-13 18:19
1 reply
#181
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United States Azaqa
interesting hmm idk if its quite in line with head still but it might be
2021-04-13 19:11
Of course you don't. Same shit with the googledoc, just reading the comment on the vakarm is telling enough too. Most of the french community find it sus af and is convinced he cheated. After that he even stepped down from the team he was playing in, why would he do so if he was clean?
2021-04-13 12:40
1 reply
i was just asking cause i saw nothing in the clip...
2021-04-13 12:40
No x-ray needed, it is clear by just looking at radar, crosshair is nowhere near the enemy's head
2021-04-13 16:40
2 replies
Because it should lock precisely on the head like a free cheat from 2013? The model is still there.
2021-04-13 16:43
#211
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Russia scorchy
Are you trolling? This looks like the most obvious aimassist ever, unless he's a literal robot
2021-04-17 06:24
2021-04-13 12:30
8 replies
No?
2021-04-13 12:31
3 replies
#132 sum it up. + the googledoc and what most of the french community think about this too. Him stepping down from his team at the time sure doesn't help. But hey is father cheated, all his brothers cheated too, but he is innocent :). Even from a marketting point of view it's such a blunder to include him in the roster.
2021-04-13 12:45
2 replies
2021-04-13 12:56
1 reply
The replies to #70 are good enough, and the fact he got dropped afterwards only adds to that. Vitality are pure clowns here, the french community already hate this guy and they will just damage their brand anyway.
2021-04-13 13:06
#156
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United States Azaqa
gyazo.com/79ca8f35cd70b5083d5096b8983e01.. not even aiming at head it was a misclick or something
2021-04-13 16:25
3 replies
Aimlock's offsets have existed for ages. The bullet he fired were straight when the model passed, the crosshair is slightly to the right of them on your screen too.
2021-04-13 16:47
2 replies
#164
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United States Azaqa
no he fired 2 bullets, maybe the first was on the head idk but 2nd one is fired where his crosshair is rn
2021-04-13 17:17
1 reply
NT KRL
2021-04-13 13:02
Every pro is cheater
2021-04-13 13:37
This guy has insane aim even if it's playing lower tier CS, his clips literally look like AREA 2.0... good luck, if he turns out a flop Vitality will never heard the end of it lol Btw I can't remember if I've ever seen almost 100 comments on a Vakarm news post
2021-04-13 14:24
6 replies
Yeah obviously, had to be smething special for the most hated player of the French scene :D
2021-04-13 14:28
5 replies
More people are defending him here than there lmao If Vitality are smart they will come out with some kind of a PR statement either from him or Vita official where they would clarify the circumstances and cool down the atmosphere a bit, it's pretty bad to leave a thing like this hanging in the air when the backlash is so strong.
2021-04-13 14:46
4 replies
Yeah, I guess they thought the Valve clearing would be enough, and in essence it is, as the only people complaining are avid followers of the French CSGO scene, not the average esports enjoyer they are targeting.
2021-04-14 11:40
3 replies
#212
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Netherlands WitnessMe
Do you know if there is a statement from Valve or the CSPPA clearing him? It's only his word saying that he's cleared as far as I can find.
2021-04-30 14:21
2 replies
Well obviously Vitality wouldn't have picked him up if Valve hadn't cleared him, but I guess they ddn't feel the need to make it public. As for the CSPPA there's no way they clear him if they have above 10 IQ.
2021-04-30 20:12
1 reply
#243
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Netherlands WitnessMe
Then it's weird that he states that the csppa cleared him.
2021-04-30 21:18
He has a lot of fishy clips and all these "coincidences" with 4 VAC banned account linked to his main with same names / friends... Lol it's obviously him cheating off on alt account and he didn't give a damn about what could happen. Also he got banned from faceit for using multiple account... It's another proof of his guilt. And from all these clips, the mirage one is weird but this one ?? : youtu.be/qzn8RJIVBic?t=21 KQLY with less proof got an harder treatment.
2021-04-13 17:51
6 replies
I understand spraying/bursting/random multiple one taps the smoke etc, but a random single one tap.....ok :).
2021-04-13 18:28
2 replies
One tap while moving... through a smoke while he shot at the window. Yep, np at all. Move on, nothing to see here :D
2021-04-13 18:36
1 reply
"YoU aRe A sIlVeR ThErE iS NoThInG StRaNgE HeRe." Yeah sure ^^.
2021-04-13 18:42
#185
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North America joeS
that shot through the smoke is so fucking blatant its funny
2021-04-14 11:47
2 replies
The sad thing is I was supporting him and flex0r when they got picked up by Heretics and I was damn sure he wasn't fishy but the 4 vac banned accounts and some of these clips ? The mirage + dust2 one are a big slap in the face. The guy was even walking behing that smoke so people can't tell me "one guy heard him in tunnel" - yeah yeah NO NO I feel a bit betrayed because I thought he was just a huge talent.
2021-04-14 12:58
1 reply
#187
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North America joeS
pretty much tells everyone "its okay to cheat as long as you go pro and stop you'll be alright"
2021-04-14 13:12
It's a well-kept secret in the scene, you cant call anyone on it because you'd exposed as well.
2021-04-13 17:58
x-ray clip on overpass would be nice to see. mirage clip also kinda weird, but maybe he saw him we just don't see in the demo.
2021-04-13 18:39
LOL WTF IS OVP CLIP EZ MOUSE LIFT XD
2021-04-13 19:03
1 reply
#184
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North America joeS
Only brainlets dont get it. Look at the minimap. The enemy was coming up long and the triggerbot went off or he shot without thinking the guy was behind the wall (ESP). Its pretty clear
2021-04-14 11:46
Hello I'm the father and what my son says is true, he did not cheat, it was his brother on my account. Please unban him valve sincerely the father
2021-04-14 11:43
Racist
2021-04-14 22:26
Vitality found a new way to cheat after the streamsnipe nerf
2021-04-14 22:27
+1
2021-04-14 22:51
Obvious he was cheating his ass off but he's clean now or at least Valve thinks so, so nothing anyone can do until he gets banned again.
2021-04-14 23:33
2 replies
Well he won’t get banned anymore since he’s most likely clean now, and wp to him to have managed to get Valve to unban him.
2021-04-16 11:34
1 reply
I mean they didn't unban him though, all those accounts he "played" on remain VAC banned but Valve determined they aren't linked to him.... It's literally a crock of shit, he had his father come out and say he was cheating in CS Go as well as his brothers but he never cheated? Like what kind of fucked up reality do these people at Valve live in? They are running hardware bans at the very least? So he cheated in his fathers lap top and brothers PC? It's not hard to figure out even if you assume his story isn't full of shit. Anyway entire French scene knows this kid was blatantly cheating, French scene would defend him as any scene defends their "cheaters" if they thought he was clean but the opposite happens they want him banned and can't understand Vitality's logic behind this retardation move.
2021-04-17 03:37
-KQLY -KYOJIN Kan't be coincidence
2021-04-16 13:21
WOAHA WHAODODD VITALITY SIGNED A CHEATER!!!11! no bro hes not cheating and if he was then report him and see what happens
2021-04-17 03:37
I have never seen any country where people loath their countrymen so much like france, like even half of Vitality fans hate ZywOo on this site for some weird reason when without him french scene will be nullified.
2021-04-30 14:24
2 replies
+1 Unfortunately, french people are like that, they are jealous of the success of someone so they're trying to give him a bad reputation ...
2021-04-30 14:25
Yo le noob, Wdym??? Everyone loves ZywOo, there's litterally no way to hate this chubby bear. It's not even comparable to Kyojin, a guy who even tho he's undeniably talented, took the french community for idiots with the complacency of Valve.
2021-04-30 20:09
lmao, typical French mentality
2021-04-30 14:24
2 replies
lmao, typical low IQ esports french fan
2021-04-30 20:10
1 reply
dixit le mec qui accuse quelqu'un de cheater ;)
2021-04-30 20:58
I dunno how the hell he's still eligible to play after being vaced so many times, it's unreal
2021-04-30 14:27
pretty normal thing in current day cs scene, every pro has vac banned accounts and it was always their dog that cheated
2021-04-30 14:30
1 reply
oooh supperappelflap, hello
2021-04-30 20:59
ok i will not bet againts vitality then
2021-04-30 20:53
Funny thing some people believe pro players never cheat, even kqly said hacks is a common thing on pro scene
2021-04-30 20:57
3 replies
Yo le noob, This was 7 years ago though, I believe it is way rarer nowadays, even though I might be deluded.
2021-04-30 20:58
1 reply
You're right, now there is much less cheaters, but I remember the scene in 2015, bruh...
2021-04-30 20:59
kqly is dense af, legit retarded, watched him stream once for giggles
2021-04-30 20:58
he is clean he play like a noob
2021-04-30 21:01
Valve sadly dont care about cheating in cs.. CS deserve better leaders to handle it in the future. Valve needs new people in the leadership.
2021-04-30 21:13
He doesn't cheat.
2021-04-30 21:15
4 replies
Yo le noob, I'm not saying he "does" now, I'm saying there's strong evidence pointing towards him cheating in a not so distant past.
2021-04-30 21:16
3 replies
Just saying one strong evidence isn't enough
2021-04-30 21:30
2 replies
Did you even read the thread??? There are multiple clips, which in itself are not proofs, but adding up to the google docs ça fait un peu beaucoup la quand meme...
2021-04-30 21:59
1 reply
my bad j'ai pas regardé mais sur les 50 mille thread qui parlent de Kyojin, j'ai vu 100 fois le meme clip
2021-04-30 22:59
#240
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Canada JC_123
damn this thread still going stronk
2021-04-30 21:16
Any big cheating scandal anyway you will not hear about it, if a pro at the top level if caught cheating it will be dealt with behind the scenes, Valve have more to lose than the players, big cheating scandals can easily kill the scene.
2021-04-30 21:18
tbf and assuming that he cheats, he's not cheating that well rn XDDDDDDDDD
2021-04-30 21:19
his highlights look like area highlights, and you know what happened to area everyone thought area was legit only cause scream said "he was my menthor"
2021-04-30 21:28
Doesnt matter if he is xiter or not since vac only bans Brasilians anyways
2021-04-30 21:34
Lovely new guy is insane and get accused why does this feel like a deja vu
2021-04-30 21:35
3 replies
Well it's hard not to believe it when you see that clip...
2021-04-30 21:37
2 replies
Same story if you've been arround for more then 2 years you should know that these threads are common when someone new joins honda leaf zywoo flusha ropz bymas its all basic
2021-04-30 23:21
1 reply
We're not talking about a flashy kill here We're talking about shooting in a random wall right on the line to an enemy Whether it's ZywOo, Ropz or Bymas, people thought they cheated cause they were good, coming out of nowhere But for Flusha or Kyojin, it's because of these weird clips that don't make any sense
2021-04-30 23:46
His grandma cheated not kyojin
2021-04-30 21:36
1 reply
His dog cheated too don't forget.
2021-04-30 21:59
#255
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Serbia Dusan837
baguette cheating OMEGALUL
2021-04-30 21:45
Man's seems to be addicted to cheating
2021-04-30 23:21
don't impress me at all.. valve doesn't wanna have another scandal involving cheaters.. that's why they took it ez on leaf, for example.. and a lot of the "onliners" on the current era of CS.. so, it is what it is, unfortunately :/
2021-04-30 23:42
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