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Are astralis losing because of age?
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Bulgaria Kepler_Bg 
Ik it's stupid af and there are many other factors, but if you look at the top 5 teams right now, the average age of an Astralis player is 26 while the others is 21,22. I think this is something that isn't talked about too much. Thoughts?
2021-04-13 00:57
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I have seen teams like SK/LG and VP smash everyone so i dont know
2021-04-13 00:58
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Brazil moorf
5 years ago they were around 24 though
2021-04-13 01:05
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And the others were younger than them.
2021-04-13 01:03
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Finland DTeeVee
FalleN and fer weren't
2021-04-13 01:31
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they were though.
2021-04-13 02:19
They were precisely 24. Both of them.
2021-04-13 10:37
Respect to take such a dangerous bait. Your gonna have your head on danish pitchforks soon
2021-04-13 00:58
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Denmark s3b3
Haha +1
2021-04-13 01:29
they're losing because of KARMA for not playing Bubzkji and treating him like TRASH!!!
2021-04-13 00:58
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Bulgaria Kepler_Bg
+1 lel
2021-04-13 00:59
Not the player's fault though. The org is scummy but you cannot put that blame on the players or the coach
2021-04-13 10:38
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But zonic is the one choosing between the players
2021-04-13 20:14
He practices with team and earns money. His choice.to not to play
2021-04-13 11:09
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?????? In what world do you think he willingly chose to only play 17 maps in 8 months?? Of course it wasn’t his choice.
2021-04-13 16:57
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He choosed to play with Astralis and if he wanted he could part ways mutually. But he didn't want to i believe. Why would Astralis pay Bubzjki? Bubzjki decided not to play. If he wanted he could leave Astralis and play in different team. Do you understand now?
2021-04-13 17:45
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Bubzkji doesnt decide if he is playing or not lmao
2021-04-13 18:02
You're mistaken, he couldn't just leave Astralis and play in a different team. Right now there are many good players struggling to find teams, and with his buyout there's no guarantee he even finds a team. Plus, he probably wants to believe that he can end up on the best Danish team of all time. Then they play with him in a match, but put him in Xyp9x's roles rather than the roles he actually plays and is good at.
2021-04-13 18:37
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Yeah he can leave. But he rather chooses to stay and earn money while playing 1 map a week. Nvm idc about Bubzjki or astralis. So to end the conversation i have to say you are right :P
2021-04-13 20:07
Age might be one of the factors,yeah
2021-04-13 00:59
I think they just dont have motivation, especially in this online era they just dont care as much, dont have the same drive that they had
2021-04-13 01:01
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Bulgaria Kepler_Bg
+1 True and possibly one of the biggest reasons
2021-04-13 01:03
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United States TrashPanda
+1 this
2021-04-13 01:05
probably a contributing factor
2021-04-13 10:35
Hard to have motivation for these random tournaments when you’ve won all there is to win, you’ve won 4 majors. The only time we’ll really see a fully motivated Astralis IMO is the next major.
2021-04-13 16:58
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Name checks out
2021-04-13 18:00
they're not losing because of aim and reaction time, but their tactics are failing to work. we would never see astralis getting flanked, players being shot from the sides and now it's happening way more than it should. something is off on their tactics or call outs
2021-04-13 01:02
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aim? xypex and magisk looked so off last months, do you even watch astralis?
2021-04-13 01:24
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yes, they are having troubles with this but it is not the main issue, in my opinion. in order to take advantage of good aim you need to be well positioned and they aren't getting this right. xyp is really just bad atm, though.. a shame
2021-04-13 01:26
Its exactly the opposite. Check their gambit game on inferno. Gambit walked in on astralis 4 man stacks but still won bc they fragged harder.
2021-04-13 01:28
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lmao to me that T side was dupreeh's fault
2021-04-13 01:33
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Yeah he was pretty off in that game but that is literally the only game in which he "disappointed" in like the past few months. He's been far and away the second best player in Astralis during this down period.
2021-04-13 10:39
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agreed.
2021-04-13 13:46
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Portugal jsousa941
TBH id think its about tactics , its more aim and communication they have been losing rounds they shouldnt where they have advantage, i think theres friction with their Ceo too come one that tweet from the Ceo was stupid its was true but nonthless stupid
2021-04-13 01:53
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this is what I was thinking when I mentioned the calls. Seems like they do not know where to aim at, kinda puggy just an opinion though. fair to point out that they lost 2 matches to great teams, so it's not the end of the world just yet
2021-04-13 01:55
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Portugal jsousa941
they out off form only 2 players are in form tbh and they cant always carry them
2021-04-13 01:56
they dont win anymore because their strategies that made them top 1 are actually outdated and copied by others teams astralis was always pulling ahead because of insane tactics and utlity usage rarely ever because sick individual aimers (even tho they had those from time to time too)
2021-04-13 01:04
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its not time to time, xyp9x aim didnt use to be shit, gla1ve wasnt that inconsistent, dev1ce hasnt changed that much imo, Magisk is the most noticable one, going from 1.15 rating and higher in 2019 to this form while being a top 3/2 rifler the guy used to have the best sprays alongside elige, dupreeh hasnt changed too.
2021-04-13 02:22
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Dupreeh playing soooooo much worse than 2018-19 magisk suffered since he had switched to igl last year and never was the same afterwards device pretty much the only one unchanged
2021-04-13 10:24
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"Dupreeh playing soooooo much worse than 2018-19" 2018, yeah because all Astralis players peaked at the same time. Can't argue with that. 2019, though? hltv.org/stats/players/7398/dupreeh?star.. hltv.org/stats/players/7398/dupreeh?star..
2021-04-13 10:42
26 isn't even old though dude you're acting like they are 30 years old lmao.
2021-04-13 01:05
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United States TrashPanda
Studies have been done showing the decline of reaction time in games after 25
2021-04-13 01:05
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Yeah I saw that as well but CSGO isn't just about reaction time. Gambit average age was 26 or 27 when they won their major.
2021-04-13 01:09
And this decline is slow af I rather think it’s the brain doesn’t produce much dopamine anymore when gaming because your too used to it I am 27 and I notice that I barely feel the enjoyment anymore when gaming I used to when I was in my early 20s And dopamine is the stuff that makes you focus and react etc.
2021-04-13 10:26
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United States TrashPanda
I feel this. I’m 27 as well, and can 100% tell I’m not nearly as reactive as I used to be.
2021-04-13 13:52
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you need to be a chemical in order to be reactive i think mens otherwise actual reaction time is very important in comp sports like tennis table tennis badminton and the best players there aren't necessarily younger than 25 either so
2021-04-13 14:07
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Bulgaria Kepler_Bg
compared to Gambit they are kinda old
2021-04-13 01:08
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Well its possible from what I've seen they read the plays before it happens but they just seem to get out aimed.
2021-04-13 01:10
Magisk Xyp gla1ve dropped in performance due to breaks and magisk being igl for a bit didnt help him
2021-04-13 01:11
They are old but I think the real problem is that they have moved on in life. Mini Gla1ve will be born soon and the other guys also have to think about their futures. Sad but that is how esports goes
2021-04-13 01:13
I don't believe in the idea that you can't be elite in your late 20's or even your 30's. I think for a lot of pros the reason they get worse and eventually washed when they get older isn't because they're physically incapable and don't have the reaction speed. The game just passes them by and they don't adapt over time. f0rest is still a really good player and he's 32 years old. The old polish VP roster was playing well in to their 30's making deep major runs. Hobbit and cadiaN are considered pretty old by esports standards and they played integral parts in getting Heroic and Gambit to the finals of the most recent tier 1 event. dupreeh is the only Astralis member over 25 years old. They're not even old.
2021-04-13 01:26
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Denmark pebblez
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2021-04-13 01:26
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Europe pmon
I agree. In general it seems that what happens is that when people get older, they slowly lose their passion for the sport. In order to stay at the top, it's not enough to maintain your skill, you need to constantly get better. If anything, this requires motivation. From my country there are two examples of sportsmen who in their 40s have competed at the highest level in sports where reaction time is extremely important. They both had a longish (1 year or so) break from the sport in their 30s, seeking for the passion for the sport. These gentlemen are Teemu Selänne (Ice Hockey) and Kimi Räikkönen (F1; KImi did not stop driving during his break, but switched to Rally which is quite different still). Selänne played 6 full seasons after his break, and retired at age of 43 (if I counted right), and this is the 10th season after Kimi's break from F1, he's now 41.
2021-04-13 01:53
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Peru TheJuan
no they are just bad
2021-04-13 01:36
i think that they are demotivated, they love crowds and it's not the same thing. You can see their faces, they don't look happy when winning a match, they don't even look that mad when losing, rn they don't have the fire that they had in early 2020, 2019 or 2018. Shit, even mid and late 2020 when they started to win everything
2021-04-13 01:49
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Ireland Sodaking
i mean the Core of Astralis have been together for 4.5 years in Csgo that is a very long time they have won 4 Majors together over that time and heaps of other trophies it might be they are just getting old
2021-04-13 01:53
no
2021-04-13 01:56
No this not directly because of age. No one can stay at the top forever playing a game 8 hours a day, mental exhaustion is there after a while, they've had 2 players taking burnout breaks, and more importantly it's hard to keep motivation, maybe even more right now with the online era. These guys have won all the biggest trophies and they now have to fight for some online trophies, which is still great but far from what it used to be. And indirectly, age brings stuff like children, family life, etc which is not the best environment to keep progressing on a game. And also you have opponents figuring out your strats more and more over the years, constantly having to adapt to the game, etc They're still among the very top teams though, I'd stay they managed to stay at the top pretty well up until now, we'll see how it goes in the upcoming weeks but they're not crumbling.
2021-04-13 02:01
I'd be sick of playing too if the last major was nearly 2 years ago at this point and there's still no LAN. Sure there is more on the line but online games have to feel near meaningless after this long. Its like e-dating vs IRL dating. Sure the first is alright but after awhile its like yeah this is boring and Im not feeling it.
2021-04-13 02:16
nope, old astralis was godlike on nuke and inferno now they are dog shite at nuke and average at inferno
2021-04-13 02:24
age doesnt have much to do with it. I just think not all of them have the same drive anymore especially during the online period. Just think about it, they all have multiple majors have spent so long as #1 that when they arent being rewarded with crowds and majors they might not see the same worth in the game
2021-04-13 02:26
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Lebanon Dogman69
they play online and the level of online cs is better than at LAN, so the yolo stats work better and mechanical skill is more important
2021-04-13 02:34
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Argentina atriX^
No, they are not that old. The cause is a mix of things. 1. As time goes by, new talent arises (Gambit, VP, Heroic, etc) that have hunger for winning. The bigger the competition, the harder it is to maintain the top spot. 2. Staying at the top means everyone studies you and learn how to counter you. 3. Player Consistency. Not every player is like device that can maintain personal consistency. The individual level of some players appears to have fallen off, namely xyp9x and gla1ve when it comes to Astralis. And most notably recently, Magisk. 4. The current situation (the pandemic) has forced all TOs to host every tourney online. LAN is very different from online gameplay. Everyone can perform online where every player plays from the comfort of their home. On LAN, players have to endure the pressure of having to play in front of a crowd with over 10000 people. In that scenario, veterans usually trump over newcomers. In addition, this online era has lead to a certain loss of motivation for those veterans because for those players that have won huge trophies in front of large crowds, winning events (even if big) might feel small scale for them. Last year in an interview, dupreeh said that it was tough to keep the motivation under these circumstances. All of this goes in line with the top 3 teams of 2020 having severely decayed during the first 3 months of 2021.
2021-04-13 03:26
I think just saving strats for major
2021-04-13 10:34
i dont think age matter at all, vitality was crushing everybody with 25.5 avg player age VP too
2021-04-13 11:01
G2 avg age 26 boomer team lol
2021-04-13 11:03
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Denmark zorglubx
You all have some good points, and as a fan of the team I can see that they are lacking something right now. Mostly in the last matches that they lost, their facial expressions is showing, I am not sure how they are doing out of the game but they need to get their head back into it, if they want to stay in the top 5. Sometimes they struggle in a real way, and that worries me a bit really. I am certain they will find solutions in the long run and stay consistent in the upper echelons of CS for they years to come, and when age do become a challenge, I expect them to make a smooth translation to a new generation. But during this era of online, it has also been interesting to follow many of the newer teams making case for themselves and also all the rooster changes that too has been happening. So as fan of counter-strike, I am wholly satisfied with what I have been getting, the quality of the shows that has been provided for us has been outstanding honestly. From when I started following the scene a few years ago until now, major improvements in the broadcast quality/casters and the productions. Thanks for that :)
2021-04-13 11:06
Their age was still older when they dominated. Def not the reason. You just can't expect someone to perform at their best 100% of the time.
2021-04-13 11:07
Losing because of motivation, they're not practicing as much as they used to
2021-04-13 17:48
a) device es3tag dupreeh magisk xyp b) device es3tag dupreeh magisk glaive c) device es3tag dupreeh magisk bubzkji d) device es3tag dupreeh bubzkji glaive
2021-04-13 17:58
no motivation online era
2021-04-13 18:00
prob. outburned ,no motivation and pressure. Maybe aim also sometimes you have those days you can't hit shit and some days you're a god happens for everyone tho.
2021-04-13 20:13
They're probably 2 years older than the average... age isn't that big of a factor... their individual skill level is just lower than everyone elses and their tactics/map pool are garbage.
2021-04-13 20:17
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