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"Zywoo is only good with his team"
f0rest | 
Sweden Kahbor4L 
i.redd.it/dv3ttrdiovb61.jpg Literally by far the highest winrate ever in FPL, highest K/D, highest average kills. And as you know, in FPL, the teams are picked by captains and are random. I don't think people realize how bad Vitality's roster is without Zywoo. RpK : 0.91 rating in 2021 Misutaaa : 0.92 rating in 2021 apEX : 0.94 rating in 2021 shox : 1.00 rating in 2021 To put this into perspective : Flamie has 0.97 rating. That's better than 3/4 of the Vitality roster. And he's the guy that Na'Vi fans are saying is completely shit etc.
2021-04-16 11:00
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+1
2021-04-16 11:01
2 replies
sorry man but i must say that... ez4volvo
2021-04-23 11:45
1 reply
+1 mens)) you are awesome
2021-04-23 18:17
#2
perk  | 
Finland eIe
What are you trying to say? Also, nice link.
2021-04-16 11:01
81 replies
??? That it's dumb that people say that Zywoo is only good because of his team and that "Vitality roster is better without Zywoo than Na'Vi roster without s1mple" And that's its pretty insane that he managed to carry this team to tier 1
2021-04-16 11:07
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#7
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I've never seen anyone ever say ZywOo is only good because of his team
2021-04-16 11:03
59 replies
I guess you don't read many comments then
2021-04-16 11:03
30 replies
#11
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I do
2021-04-16 11:04
29 replies
I find that hard to believe unless you choose not to read some comments
2021-04-16 11:06
28 replies
#19
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I think you choose to read only the comments critizising zywoo and then exaggerating them in your head
2021-04-16 11:07
27 replies
"fan of Natus Vincere"
2021-04-16 11:08
26 replies
#22
perk  | 
Finland eIe
What does that have to do with anything?
2021-04-16 11:09
25 replies
Bias
2021-04-16 11:11
1 reply
#26
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Bias for what?
2021-04-16 11:11
#20 lol, you just know he lost the argument after this xd
2021-04-16 11:31
22 replies
"lost the argument"???? he says that there "are no comments saying that zywoo is only good with his team" and i am saying there are comments like that. how the fuck did i "lose the argument"? how did ANYONE "win that argument" usually na'vi fans are just zywoo haters, thats the only explanation i can think of if he says he never saw those comments btw, flag and flair completely checks out
2021-04-16 11:36
21 replies
#45
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Generalizing and exaggerating again. I think ZywOo is one of the best players ever and a generational talent, and I enjoy watching him play. I know there are people who say that Vitality has a better roster and that ZywOo benefits from it, but I've never seen anyone saying unironically that ZywOo is ONLY good because of his team and otherwise wouldn't perform.
2021-04-16 11:37
10 replies
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't make it not true for fuck sake. I have seen it with my very own eyes multiple times, other people have clearly seen it to. What do you even make yourself out to be? Some sort of god who has read every hltv comment and knows exactly what people are saying and what they aren't? For fuck sake, what even is this dumb argument im getting triggered by this shit and stop taking the title so literally, clearly i mean that people are implying that zywoo is a top player because of his team. everyone can see that he's a good player compared to all the pros. you are strawmanning the shit out of me, only looking at the title of the post and keep on arguing against the title. jesus
2021-04-16 11:41
9 replies
#51
perk  | 
Finland eIe
It's the argument you started by making this thread
2021-04-16 11:40
8 replies
how about you stop arguing against the TITLE of the thread and start reading literally EVERYTHING ELSE i posted? the fuck? do you always do this? do you find one exaggeration in a post, one sentence, and then ONLY argue against that sentence? do you feel smart strawmanning people like this?
2021-04-16 11:43
7 replies
#58
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I'm trying to correct your argument, not trying to disprove everything you say. If I'm not trying to disprove everything you're trying to say why would I argue against everything you say. The title of a thread is quite important, if you exaggerate things and mislead people in it it's easy to get a lot of angry people in the comments to bump your thread, but hard to get an actual serious argument going.
2021-04-16 11:46
6 replies
well i'd like to think most people understand that zywoo is a good player. everyone can see that. i'd like to think most people would understand that the title means people saying that zywoo is ELEVATED and shit from his team
2021-04-16 11:48
5 replies
#64
perk  | 
Finland eIe
If you'd like to think most people would understand the title as that, I'd suggest you put it as the title
2021-04-16 11:49
4 replies
tbh it seems like you are the only one who took the title so literally xd so far, everyone else seem to perfectly understand the thread, probably cus they read the rest of it idk
2021-04-16 11:50
3 replies
#70
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I understand your thread, just pointing out that exaggerating is a poor way to argue
2021-04-16 11:52
2 replies
#168
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Czech Republic Korenus
Give up on him he is lost in his disillusionment...
2021-04-16 13:30
1 reply
#170
perk  | 
Finland eIe
We finished already afaik
2021-04-16 13:23
''I think you choose to read only the comments critizising zywoo and then exaggerating them in your head'' And I completely agree with that.
2021-04-16 11:39
7 replies
So YOU agree with HIS subjective thought. He "won" the argument because of that? Unless he can PROVE that I am wrong, he didn't win shit. So shut up ty.
2021-04-16 11:41
6 replies
#62
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I don't think I "won" anything nor do I pretend to have won anything
2021-04-16 11:48
5 replies
I never said that you did. I didn't even reply to you I replied to #38
2021-04-16 11:49
4 replies
#65
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Just a sidenote
2021-04-16 11:50
2 replies
Argument over! Winner: ele
2021-04-16 12:22
1 reply
Fin > Swe confirmed
2021-04-16 12:29
lmao thanks, I enjoyed this discusion. Zywo is good, very good.
2021-04-16 12:29
Bro, I have never seen people saying that Zywoo is only good bcz Vita, I have seen the opposite,.
2021-04-23 20:49
#246
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
i NEVER saw anyone saying that zywoo is only good with his team, and i'm one of the most active hltv users atm
2021-04-24 00:36
LUL in half of the Zywoo vs s1mple threads there are so many people saying that Vitality is a better team than Na'Vi and that Zywoo can only play with his team supporting him. Even Thorin said so lmao.
2021-04-16 11:05
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#21
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Everyone knows zywoo is one of the best individual players in the world. I'm sure none of the comments are actually saying "ONLY because of his team", unless baiting ofc.
2021-04-16 11:08
15 replies
well yea of course not ONLY with his team, they can acknowledge that he's obviously talented, but they are saying that he wouldn't be a top contender without his team. which is completely bs, but there are plenty of people saying that.
2021-04-16 11:38
people say that zywoo is no.1 bcz of his teams performance and what he(kahbor4l) is trying to say is that Navi -S1mple > Vitality -Zywoo, meaning zywoo has less to work with but still carries his team to victory
2021-04-16 11:51
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#60
perk  | 
Finland eIe
And that doesn't make him ONLY good because of his team
2021-04-16 11:48
12 replies
no, read my comment with ur brain
2021-04-16 11:51
11 replies
#74
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I did
2021-04-16 11:54
10 replies
then read again
2021-04-16 11:56
9 replies
#78
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I did
2021-04-16 11:57
8 replies
then no, it doesnt make him good only bcz of his team
2021-04-16 11:57
7 replies
#80
perk  | 
Finland eIe
That's what I am saying
2021-04-16 11:58
6 replies
im trying to prove that people do say that zywoo got number 1 bcz of his team,
2021-04-16 12:00
4 replies
#84
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I know and I agree
2021-04-16 12:02
3 replies
why are we arguing then? wtf
2021-04-16 12:02
2 replies
#86
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Because you mistook #60 as an argiment. It was more like an addition
2021-04-16 12:03
1 reply
ahh, mb mb
2021-04-16 12:20
The finne troll
2021-04-16 12:34
It was in end of 2020 when his team was actually good
2021-04-23 11:27
sorry but what? there are plenty of comments saying that shit bro , i see it all the time in these kinda discussions. for example, thorin said that if s1mple would replace zywoo on vitality roster, vitality would never lose a series
2021-04-16 11:10
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#24
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Thorin is baiting
2021-04-16 11:11
5 replies
mhm, was all the people in the comments arguing to why he is right about everything he said, that Na'Vi has a way worse roster than Vitality etc were baiting too? making essay comments about it ?
2021-04-16 11:12
4 replies
#30
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Thorin fans are dumb, they follow their master blindly. Also, navi having worse roster/vitality having better roster=/=zywoo is only good because of his team and otherwise wouldnt perform
2021-04-16 11:14
3 replies
people arent saying that zywoo is only good with his team. theyre saying that he can only put up the stats he has with his team so the title of OP was wrong but whatever
2021-04-16 11:15
2 replies
#32
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Read the title of this thread
2021-04-16 11:15
1 reply
do you always only read the title of threads and make arguments solely against the title?
2021-04-16 11:46
Either yoi are here for 2 days or you're full of shit.
2021-04-16 12:32
2 replies
#131
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Alright
2021-04-16 12:37
+1
2021-04-18 16:01
I think people dont say Vitality roster is better as individuals but as team. ZywOo is better used in team than s1mple. Maybe that is what they want to say.
2021-04-16 11:05
Said no one ever....
2021-04-16 12:09
How can you even compare the tournament games with fpl games. There are a lot of constraints that differ to including tactics, pressure situations, chemistry, free play, and a lot of things. You can't compare both of them. This doesn't make sense.
2021-04-16 12:12
9 replies
I agree with you that FPL is ofc a lot different from pro scene. And there are for sure some players who are pugstars and perform way better in FPL than in pro scene. But FPL performance still speaks about individual skill, and Zywoo has really dominated in FPL, more than any other player. That is without any "support" players.
2021-04-16 12:16
8 replies
In that case too, ZywOo has played less than half as many FPL matches as s1mple. It is hard to maintain high stats over a long period. If s1mple stopped right now and didn't play Pro CS in 2021, we can't just say at the end of the year that s1mple has the highest rating in the entire year.
2021-04-16 13:06
7 replies
s1mple had almost identical stats when he had 700 games as he has now
2021-04-16 13:06
6 replies
You can say that ZywOo has better rating than when s1mple was at 700 matches himself. However, s1mple has maintained that exact level for 700 more matches. Your statements can't project that ZywOo would maintain these stats if he played 700 more matches.
2021-04-16 13:17
5 replies
You are arguing wrong point here. Your point only proves that simple is consistent performer. He says that zywoo is better at winning.
2021-04-18 16:03
4 replies
No, you're wrong. Here's why. ZywOo's current FPL stats only say that he *has been* better at winning, for the short while he has played FPL. Some players have high peaks, but they can't maintain that individual level for long. Considering ONLY the stats/winrate for that peak period is misleading for the whole career. Recently, he got 16-0ed in FPL for the first time ever. I dare to say if he played 700 more matches from now, he won't have the same stats and winrate that he has now. It's like judging Coldzera's whole career, only based on 2016+2017, which is stupid because his level has fallen off completely, after 2017. If ZywOo plays FPL like s1mple for 4 more years, he will NOT have the stats/current winrate.
2021-04-18 16:33
3 replies
700 games "short while". And yes what you just described is consistency. Also coldzera fell of because rest of his team went to shit. Both fallens calls and awping were outdated. Fer was predictable because when you are agressive all the time its not gonna work. Taco was always bad (aimwise) even for support. And they kept changing players. Also you cant make argument that FPL is not comparable to tournament and than throw in there tournament analogy. I know what you mean and you are saying that zywoo was at peak when he got the 700 games. But you are making consistency point over something thats not about consistency + zywoo has shows that he is not consistent in apexes system he was consistent when he got simmilar setup as simple.
2021-04-18 16:41
2 replies
Okay, fair enough. You are saying that even when s1mple had played the same number of matches that zywoo currently has, his winrate wasn't as good as zywoo. And even if zywoo's overall winrate falls in future, there was still a time in the past, where he was better at winning than s1mple, correct? I agree. I just have the opinion that if a player played 200 matches in 2 years with 70% winrate, and another 2 years with 30%, it's worse than a player who played 4 years with 55% winrate.
2021-04-18 16:55
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First of all at the time when the statistic was made i think they were much more even on the matches played but i am not sure so that asside. I would agree with your point but you are making it out as zywoo retired and he isn also he didnt drop much in performance. He has still insane rating given how much his team is struggling and given how his rating became a lot more team dependent with apex taking IGL you cannot really say he is past his prime because so far we dont know. 2 people on his team hit slump and 2 other people on his team are in massive slump right now.
2021-04-18 17:03
I mean I think the majority of cs fans think that vitality without zywoo is better than navi without s1mple. The reason the ratings are like that is because navi have destroyed before epl and vitality have struggled. 2nd star of navi is better but the rest are way worse. boombl4 <<< apex igling easily. rpk >> flamie, don't think that's even an argument easily. And misutaaa = perfecto imo too, not sure what other people think. And shox/nivera <<<<<<<< elec but nivera wasn't far when he was playing. Also vitality has way better structure with a better coach + IGL
2021-04-16 12:21
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I just plain disagree with you dude, I think that's sooo wrong. I think Boombl4>apEX by a landslide flamie = RpK Perfecto > Misutaa elec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any player on Vitality Like it's so obvious to me. Idk how you can think that apex is better than boombl4, or that Misutaa is better than perfecto
2021-04-16 12:26
2 replies
Because they are delusional navi fanboys amd don't want to admit that simple is just not as good as zywoo rofful
2021-04-16 12:34
Explain how boombl4 is a better caller than apex? Flamie before epl was probably a bottom 3 tier 1 player. Perfecto is very inconsistent just like misutaaa. But ur correct elec is easily better than everyone except zywoo
2021-04-16 13:59
#114
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Ukraine Hismpl
I agree man
2021-04-16 12:23
+1 and all the trolls replying to your comment are know s1mple fanbois.
2021-04-16 16:14
1 reply
pretty much
2021-04-18 16:06
This moron is just baiting you m8.
2021-04-18 16:15
#3
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United States heakalele
dude whapened to shox i used to love watch him play
2021-04-16 11:01
here we go again with the fpl winrate axaxaxax
2021-04-16 11:01
3 replies
they don't look how many games he played as well.. good for him though
2021-04-16 11:33
2 replies
he has like less than 500 games played in fpl iirc
2021-04-16 11:35
1 reply
700 but ok
2021-04-16 16:15
+1
2021-04-16 11:02
Dont get me wrong, he is a good player for sure. But I dont like comparing fpl stats to real professional team play, they are vastly different worlds.
2021-04-16 11:03
7 replies
Yeah, thats true but FPL shows a lot about the individual skill. You can see on the graph, only exceptional players are on the right side. And Zywoo is still significantly above them.
2021-04-16 11:03
5 replies
yeah, he has massive skill
2021-04-16 11:05
why do u compare 500 games of zywoo with like 10k games of s1mple or anybody else ? im talking about fpl
2021-04-16 12:50
3 replies
Zywoo has 700 games in FPL, s1mple has 1700. not "10k" games faceit.com/en/hub/74caad23-077b-4ef3-8b1.. There is the leaderboard. Zywoo 66% winrate, s1mple 51% winrate. Of course Zywoos stats and winrate WOULD drop if he played 1700 games, but probably not with that much. His stats after 700 games are way higher than s1mple when s1mple had 700 games. And I'm not putting this to say "zywoo is better than s1mple, he has better stats in FPL". Im just putting it out to show that zywoo has insane individual skill and is the #1 FPL player, where he doesnt have any support players to help him. like some people like Thorin are saying he NEEDS to perform on a top level.
2021-04-16 13:07
2 replies
#220
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Norway N3sHie1k
>#1 fpl player >has 1000 games less than s1mple
2021-04-18 17:18
1 reply
+1
2021-04-23 11:21
+11111111111
2021-04-16 11:04
S1mple fans are always finding oppurtunities to bash on ZywOo. They cant handle that s1mple was number 2 for two consecutive years and now he is playing better than zywOo , they are quick to generalise the results over the past 2 years claiming that zywOo didn't deserved number 1.
2021-04-16 11:05
11 replies
imagine generalizing not for the unknown future but on the known past. delusionals
2021-04-16 11:12
1 reply
+1 EZ4VOLVO
2021-04-16 11:18
People always putting s1mple over zywoo shows how low iq sports fan are. Showmanship is everything to them. Don't get me wrong s1mple is more consistent but there's no indication anywhere that he has a better peak. Both players end events 1.25 rating+ most of the time
2021-04-16 11:12
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#35
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I mean it is quite widely recognized that s1mple 2018 was the highest peak by other pros, analysts and also viewers Sports is entertainment and business, so obviously showmanship is desirable
2021-04-16 11:23
1 reply
It's people who decide what's entertaining and what's not. Such subjective things shouldn't be credited to a player's merit. When comparing two players only individual talent matters
2021-04-16 11:32
Same people claim that kennyS is the goat AWPer.
2021-04-18 16:08
s1mple still was a better player in 2020 despite not winning as much as ZywOo - his skill ceiling is just higher. Idk about 2019 really because I forgot and that was a while ago. Vitality was a lot better than NaVi that year I think.
2021-04-16 14:08
2 replies
Guess what, you started watching CS in 2020. ZywOo was anyway far better than s1mple in 2019.
2021-04-16 14:10
1 reply
No I watched in 2019, just don't remember that well because I only really watched liquid EG games and the major back then
2021-04-16 14:12
+1
2021-04-16 14:13
#191
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Korea ramza72
But.. But.. That true right s1mple far better than zywooo
2021-04-16 19:31
nobody actually says that unironically, im pretty sure. If they do, feel free to give them a life supply of nutella so nobody has to see their face
2021-04-16 11:05
3 replies
#36
perk  | 
Finland eIe
+1
2021-04-16 11:23
nutella is a good shit
2021-04-16 11:40
1 reply
yes
2021-04-16 12:51
Each one of them has much more impact than Flamie who mostly gets casual kills, but crumbles in every crucial moment (usually)
2021-04-16 11:29
12 replies
flamie plays anchor, often on B. he does not have any fragging role or impact role. he plays the role that no one else wants.
2021-04-16 11:35
11 replies
Do you even watch him play? The guy has close to zero game sense when it comes to pressure moments and he's a shit anchor tbf... flamie on site = free site 99% of the time
2021-04-16 11:37
10 replies
Yes, keep having your opinions about him. He has the worst role in Na'Vi, and still puts out better numbers than 3/4 of the Vitality roster.
2021-04-16 11:43
9 replies
''the worst role'' lol How often do you see him entry fragging? 404 for me What shit positions he has? Gets second awp to hold site ($4750 gun btw), played fewer maps for half of the year now and still can't maintain positive k/d
2021-04-16 11:52
8 replies
idk if you play CS bro. but generally, people think support role and b anchor is the worst role to have for your stats. but you can keep making excuses to why flamie somehow has better stats than 3/4 of Vitality roster
2021-04-16 11:55
7 replies
btw, you mentioned all those vitality players and I told you they're more impactful, here the proof that flamie have better k/d while having less impact ;) hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7594/flam.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7594/flam.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7594/flam..
2021-04-16 11:59
5 replies
hahaha its INSANE how biased you are. holy fuck 1. you "forgot" to link RpK vs flamie stats, probably because RpK has lower "impact rating" than flamie. 2. flamie became a b anchor support player. OF COURSE he has a low impact rating. here are some other players with similar roles as him : hltv.org/stats/players/4954/xyp9x?startD.. hltv.org/stats/players/16947/perfecto?st..
2021-04-16 12:06
4 replies
And you didn't even mention impact rating in your thread xd B anchor with awp (when na'vi have money) is pretty bad I guess :D Add to that that he never goes first on T side and can't trade effectively his teammates
2021-04-16 12:21
3 replies
It's fucking dumb to compare impact rating, because ingame roles DIRECTLY IMPACTS that rating. For example, do you think arT is as good as zywoo? hE hAs sAmE iMpAcT rAtInG
2021-04-16 12:42
2 replies
Ok, it doesn't really matter tbh cause whatever anyone says, Flamie has been performing poorly for a long time now without any sign of improvement and should've been removed earlier.
2021-04-16 12:50
1 reply
Yes, but I put up that comparison to show that Zywoo has to deal with 3x flamies on his team.
2021-04-16 12:59
He gets more useless kills, Im just spitting facts lol
2021-04-16 12:00
Zyw0o is stupid for playing for his team so much, Alex knew that 4 people with flashbangs and Zyw0o with ak is better than 4 people with ak and zyw0o with mac10.
2021-04-16 11:38
13 replies
b-b-but that's what makes zywoo so much better than that other stad-padder guy wdym
2021-04-16 11:42
5 replies
Who cars about stats, if VitaLULity want to win then the best way to do so is by giving the #2 player in the world the best gun every buy round.
2021-04-16 11:43
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I think that he was #1in 2019, but 2020 was a robbery. s1mple is the best in the world right now, no matter what HLTV said the last 2 years.
2021-04-16 11:52
2 replies
ok
2021-04-16 11:52
If that was robbery so was 2014 and 2015 100%
2021-04-18 16:10
as if zywoo ever had a MAC 10 on a gun round lol
2021-04-16 12:10
6 replies
He does, regularly. lmfao. It's like you people aren't watching the game you are on a forum talking about. jesuuuus
2021-04-16 12:12
4 replies
0/8 ok fanboy
2021-04-16 12:12
3 replies
not even a vitality fan or a zywoo fan xd just spitting facts
2021-04-16 12:13
2 replies
"spitting facts" ahahaha delude yourself more.
2021-04-16 12:15
1 reply
if you had ever watched vitality games you'd see that he sometimes plays mac 10 on gun rounds lmao. but keep writing that bs without watching games :D
2021-04-16 12:17
HE often plays with smgs while RPK has rifles... The old Alex system were he had a Krieg R2 even after losing pistol was the best.
2021-04-16 13:08
I never understood why people think that Na'Vi has a better roster without s1mple than Vitality does without Zywoo. Kinda crazy to me, are people really that blind? Also the people saying that Zywoo got #1 because of his team are crazy. Anyone with eyes should see that Na'Vi plays around s1mple more than Vitality does around Zywoo. You can just see the economics of the teams, Zywoo is treated like any other player on the team. While Na'Vi really make sure that s1mple always has an awp or the strongest weapon possible. Often it's Boombl4 giving up his cash to make sure s1mple has a strong weapon. In Vitality, there is no one like that.
2021-04-16 11:53
31 replies
+1. navi give more space to S1mple, they even let s1mple take ez kills in the end of the rounds, in vitality that doesnt happen
2021-04-16 11:55
2 replies
And that doesn't mean that zywoo is a better player than s1mple or vice versa. It's just different approaches to the game. But fanboys saying zywoo gets as much set up as s1mple are trying to make s1mple look more incredible than he already is
2021-04-16 12:05
1 reply
both players are obviously gods at the game with about equal skills. but as u said that its about diff team approaches, but it doesnt make the fact the navi revolves around s1mple and vitality doesnt
2021-04-16 12:20
He partially got it because Vitality was overall much better than Na'Vi in 2020
2021-04-16 12:04
7 replies
It's just goldfish memory. 2 online trophies suddenly made vitality a better team than navi? Lmao
2021-04-16 12:07
2 replies
and 5 or so second places in finals mb? Lmao xd
2021-04-16 12:16
They were the best team of the majority of the year though, astralis was only good in the tail end of the year and NAVI werent good after kato for like 8-9 months
2021-04-23 11:15
What are you talking about? Vitality was better than Na'Vi at the end of the year, because Zywoo went apeshit and completely carried them to 2 gold medals. For literally the first half of 2020 they were really bad, i dont even think they were top 10 in the ranking lmao as the guy above said, you have the memory of a goldfish. or you are incredibly biased. im not really sure.
2021-04-16 12:10
3 replies
Mb you should have mentioned that Na'Vi were insane like first 3 months and when online started they completely disappeared? While s1mple still was putting up numbers, Na'Vi didn't even play like a top5 team most of the time
2021-04-16 12:30
1 reply
You can just watch. Na'Vi prnt.sc/11ie2o6 Vitality prnt.sc/11ie3ss
2021-04-16 12:30
also #107
2021-04-16 12:26
hahaha. so many times s1mple plays with a deagle on force buys when someone else has better weaponry. stop this cringe. zywoo is usually last alive as well, it makes sense. you won't send s1mple, zywoo, device or NiKo to likely die first.
2021-04-16 12:12
18 replies
Yikeessssss. You're really going hard exposing yourself for never watching any CS games. s1mple plays deagle kev when RARELY 1 guy on the team happens to have a stronger weapon. It's almost only when they got the bomb plant on T side, and s1mple happens to be the only one with enough $$ to drop AK. In almost every gun round he gets awp, soooo many times Boombl4 and perfecto are giving him m4 or awp and playing deagle or famas themselves. But how would you know that? You're just talking out of your ass.
2021-04-16 12:22
1 reply
ok retard
2021-04-16 12:25
So many people really think s1mple's teammates only play poorly cause they drop him weapons and ''bait'' for him xd I won't even try to take away that blindfold from their eyes
2021-04-16 12:29
15 replies
+1 i also love how they try to make up some theory that s1mple is some kind of a dictator and extremely toxic in navi.
2021-04-16 12:34
2 replies
True :D People like to assume stuff, those Na'Vi slaves can't say anything to lord s1mple.. sure thing ;)
2021-04-16 12:52
1 reply
haha +1
2021-04-16 12:59
I'm not saying that. I'm just pointing out that s1mple gets dropped weapons a lot more frequently, it's very clear that Na'Vi PRIORITIZES that s1mple has an awp over Boombl4 having M4. And that is probably the best way for them to play if they want to win. But... It's still important to point that out when comparing zywoo and s1mple, because Zywoo is treated economically like any other player on the team. They don't have any player like boombl4 who just gives up weapons for him.
2021-04-16 12:45
11 replies
That's one of many problems in Na'Vi, it's not like s1mple forces them to play like this, but because Blade and Boomitch don't know how to properly run the team. Ofc it's easier to rely on one player to do most of the work while you can excuse yourself by being a utility carrier.
2021-04-16 12:59
10 replies
Dude you are legit retarded nobody here said simple is calling this for himself but it is reality nontheless. And when people compare stats who do you think has better chance of having better stats? Guy that gets setup 95% of the time or guy that plays the star roles and gets same ammount of setup as electronic in navi...
2021-04-18 16:14
9 replies
Lol, I've said many times that ZywOo's and s1mple's performance depends so much on their teams individual form overall. Vitality was a better team in the second half of 2020 and in 2021 so far they can't do shit. And no, many people said Na'Vi as a whole and some players, in particular, doing bad because s1mple has the deciding voice in Na'Vi (not necessarily in this thread) Before insulting someone at least read what people write on the forums.
2021-04-18 16:33
8 replies
You instantly went on defense about simple like if #73 was claiming simple does this. You assumed he means simple calls for himself yet you want to lecture me on assuming things. Truly logicall thinking.
2021-04-18 16:33
7 replies
But why it has to trigger you? True keyboard warrior xd
2021-04-18 17:08
6 replies
It didnt? Also i am not the one on crusade to defend every thing you think is insult against simple or attack on him
2021-04-18 17:09
5 replies
So you use the word ''retarded'' to address every user you disagree with? xd Clearly something triggers you ''slightly''
2021-04-18 17:12
4 replies
No i use retarded on people that miss the point like 8 times in the whole thread "xd"
2021-04-18 17:15
3 replies
And I think you're just arrogant prick, but to each their own.
2021-04-18 17:17
2 replies
Very possible but i am aware. Are you aware that you miss pretty obvious point a lot of the time?
2021-04-18 17:18
1 reply
A lot of the time I just troll, a lot of the time I just write random stuff cause this is cs go forum and literally no one cares :) You can doubt my objectivity, but that's just your own opinion.
2021-04-18 17:22
+1
2021-04-18 17:08
good one I wonder how device in that list, since he's not playing FPL anymore (?) ah nvm zywoo also does not play anymore must be a wild time range.
2021-04-16 12:06
3 replies
device is still playing FPL
2021-04-16 12:11
1 reply
didnt know that
2021-04-18 15:49
it's all time with a certain limit of games
2021-04-16 12:19
#107
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Ukraine GluckFM
What about 2020 then? S1mple had 3 of his teammates below 1 rating, while Zywho only had Misutaa.
2021-04-16 12:19
4 replies
They BARELY had above positive. Meanwhile Na'Vi had the #5 rated player of 2020 on their team. shox 1.05 RpK 1.01 apEX 1.00 misutaa 0.99 vs electronic 1.14 Boombl4 0.98 Perfecto 0.98 flamie 0.97
2021-04-16 12:39
3 replies
#180
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Ukraine GluckFM
That is still higher on average for Vitality.
2021-04-16 16:08
2 replies
Huh??? No it's not... Na'Vi AVG is higher Not that it matters so much but still
2021-04-16 16:15
1 reply
#187
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Ukraine GluckFM
Navi and Vita have the same rating for 2020 while Zywoo is supposed to be #1. So basically its the same situation for both, no need to cry, just need to grind. And maybe kick Flamie.
2021-04-16 19:11
imagine using FPL as a reference whilst they drop out of every tournament they attend this year LOL at least thats the single thing you can look back on and say I have been relevant in some Pugging Hub
2021-04-16 12:20
1 reply
it's funny how many people actually talk about FPL stats like it means something when sometimes even the best players in the world have normal stats in there and get owned by some random nonamers lol.
2021-04-16 12:27
How many maps did he play in FPL compared to broky, XANTARES, s1mple, Blackeagle?
2021-04-16 12:31
12 replies
+1 the more maps you play the more inflated individual stats get obviously, same with hltv stats where device and s1mple are leading
2021-04-16 12:37
11 replies
He's played less than s1mple, but he still had like 700 maps or something like that
2021-04-16 12:40
10 replies
well in comparison to 3785 maps thats nothing lets be honest...
2021-04-16 12:46
7 replies
s1mple has played 1700 FPL games, not 3785 I just checked. Here is the overall leaderboard of FPL, You can see games and winrate. faceit.com/en/hub/74caad23-077b-4ef3-8b1..
2021-04-16 12:57
But nevertheless, 700 is a big enough pool to use as a sample comparisson to 3800.
2021-04-16 13:02
5 replies
s1mple has 1700 games in FPL, not 3800. dunno where that guy got 3785 number from
2021-04-16 13:11
4 replies
OK, but point is still the same....700 is a high enough number to use as a sample pool. 300 would be enough.
2021-04-16 13:13
1 reply
Yea Agreed
2021-04-16 13:16
he said maps not game, idk how many maps s1mple has though so i dont know if its true
2021-04-16 14:05
1 reply
maps = games in FPL there is no bo3 in fpl
2021-04-16 14:13
ZywOo 457 - 239 23.77 1.4
2021-04-16 12:47
1 reply
Ohh yup as I thought, 700 maps or something like that.
2021-04-16 12:52
ITT people who only worship stats and don't understand impact that is not a statistic
2021-04-16 12:52
1 reply
well it's really hard to have any discussion on a forum like this without having stats. because people will just come with subjective opinions, saying "no zywoo is way better have you ever watched vitality game" or "no s1mple is way better have you ever watched navi game" etc
2021-04-16 12:54
frozen god
2021-04-16 12:52
Your argument is based on player ratings. They only capture the individual quality, not the teamplay. A team is not just the addition of 5 players together like a machine. Teamwork and teamplay is the most important part of a team. Vitality had much better teamwork and teamplay than Navi, and that can be clearly seen in the way they play as a team. That's why people say that ZywOo has a better team than s1mple, which is true. For example: Navi in 2018 had very very low-rated players as compared to Navi in 2021, but 2018 Navi was a better team than 2021 Navi, because the teamplay was more sound. Hope you get that.
2021-04-16 13:00
10 replies
"VITALITY HAS BETTER TEAMPLAY" "BUT ITS BETTER IF SIMPLE BAITS HIS ENTIRE TEAM BECAUSE HES BETTER THAN THEM"
2021-04-16 13:04
4 replies
In case you want to talk, talk like a normal sane person. I've no idea what you're trying to achieve with that reply to my comment.
2021-04-16 13:10
1 reply
no ty, just pretending to be navi fan when they lose to botality
2021-04-16 13:13
They decided to play around him and not the other way around
2021-04-16 19:18
1 reply
XD nt
2021-04-16 20:46
It's so pointless to have these discussions without stats, because people like you will just come with their subjective thoughts. Saying "you can CLEARLY see this, just by watching them play" etc. Meanwhile a professional player completely disagrees with you: Snappi who is a professional player and IGL said that s1mple's team is better than Vitality and that Na'Vi plays around s1mple a lot more and thats why he regards Zywoo as the best player in the world : youtube.com/watch?v=DB3ONO_2A2g That's his subjective opinion.
2021-04-16 13:06
4 replies
"People like you will come with their subjective thoughts". Sure, team chemistry can't be measured by stats anyway. I would like to say that most teams have better teamwork than Navi. Even I can find videos of many players like Rain, Karrigan, etc, as well as analysts, who will say the opposite. They aren't experienced argumentators or critical analysts either. They have human biases as well, as was said by the head of HLTV himself, in a tweet about 3 days ago. So, that doesn't lead us anywhere either.
2021-04-16 13:14
2 replies
Wait, I haven't seen rain or karrigan say the opposite to what snappi said. Or even give their opinion on Zywoo vs s1mple. Could you link?
2021-04-16 13:16
yo, could you link where rain and karrigan had a opposite take of snappi? im interested in hearing pros opinions about it, trying to find their takes but i havent been able to find it so far
2021-04-16 13:40
He also said everyone on Vitality is solid and spunj noted that s1mple has basically a support only from one player [electronic]
2021-04-16 19:27
nt 2-17woo
2021-04-16 13:19
1 reply
top 1 2019 2020 cry is free hater
2021-05-03 00:34
#181
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Malaysia AtPdTrZ
bl4d3 vs XTQZZZZ
2021-04-16 16:09
flamie falls to group of people that started in top clan, always stayed and destroyed it from inside someone like rain, such people ruin the teams and teams dont care, it makes no sense into top teams are usually invited to players from the scene, like niko, olofmeister, guardian, coldzera who have immediate good impact on team, but after some time they are tired of carrying the "homeboy" that has no stats, no previous achievments etc.
2021-04-16 16:12
#186
RpK | 
France HeyU1
You mean that 2-17 guy? How much?
2021-04-16 16:16
2 replies
hater
2021-04-23 11:09
nt fakeflagger
2021-05-03 00:30
Numbers don't lie, the kid is actually insane
2021-04-16 19:16
+1
2021-04-16 20:52
flamie top 1
2021-04-18 15:50
#196
RpK | 
France pol44r
Taking 2021 stats is pretty unfair but i get it. Take 2020 stats instead
2021-04-18 15:59
1 reply
Why tho? People are in 2021 complaining insanely hard about flamie being absolutely garbage Meanwhile he has a better rating than 3/4 of Vitality players
2021-05-02 22:52
Zywoo & Friends as we say in Brasil
2021-04-18 16:03
Seems like this guy got baited hard. No one on their right mind thinks this of zywoo, he'll end his career being one of the goats
2021-04-18 16:36
1 reply
I mean maybe if it wasnt a french team he would fall off a little because of the difference in style of CS but I dont think anyone believes itll be the French Kjaerbye story
2021-04-23 11:16
zywoo is also the cutest thing ever happened in CS universe.
2021-04-18 17:17
Damn, what a god
2021-04-18 17:19
"Zywoo is only good with his team" It's not 2019, nobody thinks this anymore. Alex's team played around Zywoo more than Apex's team does. Now people see that Zywoo is good even without people supporting him every round.
2021-04-18 17:23
2 replies
Honestly its so misleading how this guy says about everyone else's rating. Zywoo definitely makes the others play worse just like s1mple for Na'vi. If you have a superstar like them you have to funnel resources. Thats why someone like Dev1ce is possibly a better awper to have in a team. He doesnt need much to work with but he is never going to hard carry a team
2021-04-23 11:15
1 reply
lol. Snappi the IGL said that Zywoo allows for more star players on the team, that Zywoo plays selflessly af for his team and is a big teamplayer. He said that in a interview with HLTV, and he said that he had been watching a shitton of Zywoo and s1mple demos and compared them.
2021-05-02 22:51
u know what it means? he has 4 bad teammates and they cant kill so he just steals their frags + he doesnt play faceit since 2018(cuz he is afraid of losing his elo)
2021-04-23 11:32
15 replies
same like pimple
2021-04-23 18:19
6 replies
pimp is not pro player...
2021-04-23 18:33
5 replies
i meant s0mple
2021-04-23 20:03
4 replies
idk who is s0mple
2021-04-23 20:47
3 replies
plays awp for navi
2021-04-23 22:19
2 replies
so s1mple?
2021-04-23 23:23
1 reply
0/8
2021-04-24 00:27
Hahah. If CSGO was just that easy so you could simply "steal" the frags from your bad teammates.
2021-05-02 22:50
1 reply
if u r bad as apex and u have 4 bad teammates u still cant steal their frags, but at least zywoo is avg for this job
2021-05-03 00:14
he play faceit daily faceit.com/en/players/ZywOo but not fpl he said only noobs play there
2021-05-03 00:15
5 replies
i meant he doesnt play fpl since 2018, i know that he plays faceit with his 6 lvls friends
2021-05-03 00:21
4 replies
he has 5k elo you silver and i repat he said FPL is too easy for him so he play on 5K elo faceit matches instead of 2-3k elo fpl bots
2021-05-03 00:26
3 replies
AAHAHHA yes, ofc, he is just afraid of losing his elo in fpl XD, cuh s1mple, niko, xantares etc are playing better XD
2021-05-03 00:33
2 replies
Losin his elo? The dude was HLTV TOP 1 2019 and HLTV TOP 1 2020 loooooooool
2021-05-03 00:37
1 reply
fluke years, 4 teammates cant kill = u just steal their frags
2021-05-03 00:44
#236
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Brazil Elakk
FPL =/= Tournament Play /closed
2021-04-23 20:23
Compare FPL with competitive ok
2021-04-23 20:26
+1
2021-04-23 20:53
When someone states that ZywOo has a better team than s1mple, you can always end the discussion.
2021-04-24 00:32
2 replies
#245
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Georgia ikaika97
+999
2021-04-24 00:34
+1
2021-05-03 00:27
+1 zywoo haters are the worst zywoo best player in the world by far
2021-05-03 00:22
1 reply
+99
2021-05-03 00:26
#260
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Venezuela Jorge_
Nice thread, it's Vitality who sucks. Not god himself.
2021-05-03 00:35
Zywoo would fit nice in G2, think about it
2021-05-03 01:26
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