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Aleksib as an IGL
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Finland Eestu 
Although I feel like he is a bit overrated, just look at how well he is able to get the most out of everyone else on the team. niko and flameZ are creating so much space for the team and valde and mantuu are able to take their time while holding the other side of the map. I feel like this is a massively overlooked aspect of most IGLs.
2021-04-16 16:03
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Aleksi has led 2 struggling teams to the "top", his impact is more than proven
2021-04-16 16:05
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+1 people seem to forget this..
2021-04-16 16:07
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baiters bait, haters hate.. No one forgots about Aleksi x)
2021-04-16 16:27
#5
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Finland Eestu
I feel like Aleksib and karrigan are probably the best IGLs in this aspect. They are able to make the most out of any players and make them perform.
2021-04-16 16:08
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i dont have the same feeling about karrigan, he had always great individuals around. If you take for example astralis they have even become best team since karrigan left
2021-04-16 16:29
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#33
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Finland Eestu
Yeah that's a good point, but he was able to make the most out of these proven players as well. But you can't deny how well he was working with mousesports players for example.
2021-04-16 16:33
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yeah, but also mouz had always great scouting and never really signed not proven player. Most of them already shined in HR but just because they couldnt make it to better competion they were signed by Mouz. Anyway i am not saying that karrigan is bad, i am just trying to say that we have to look more deeply into the organization.
2021-04-16 16:40
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Argentina Joedash
OG is well-known in Dota as one of the best teams in history being the only team to hold 2-3 TIs in their name, with 2 being won in a row. If we talk about org, OG has hella lot experience and know when they need a change and what players to pick dude xD.
2021-04-16 16:46
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so you are proving my point?
2021-04-16 16:49
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#43
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Argentina Joedash
Totally, but OG has a say in terms of what aleksib is doing within the team too, thats what i meant. Karrigan rlly did a nice job with the teams he had, and i'll keep you in mind that Karrigan worked with dev1ce xyp9x and dupreeh way before they were seen as the "most talented" or really well talented players. Same goes with rain and stuff, Karrigan knew and knows how to positionate well a player just as aleksiB. It doesnt make sense in comparing both when both did a great job wherever they went.
2021-04-16 16:54
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yeah, they are not comparable even though i feel like aleksi has less talent around himself than karrigan. He had always experinced players around himself. And trio from astralis was already proven from CSGO/CS competition. You can find theirs Highlights on youtube. Rain was always one of the best riflers but never had good igl around, i still have his stickers on my AK since 2016 xd Anyway wish your guy try good luck in quarters ;)
2021-04-16 17:17
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Argentina Joedash
u2 mate, gl! and thx!
2021-04-16 17:19
#43
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Argentina Joedash
Totally, but OG has a say in terms of what aleksib is doing within the team too, thats what i meant. Karrigan rlly did a nice job with the teams he had, and i'll keep you in mind that Karrigan worked with dev1ce xyp9x and dupreeh way before they were seen as the "most talented" or really well talented players. Same goes with rain and stuff, Karrigan knew and knows how to positionate well a player just as aleksiB. It doesnt make sense in comparing both when both did a great job wherever they went.
2021-04-16 16:54
Zeus says hi, tho. He led Na'Vi to top1 HLTV, two major finals in a row, to bunch of victories on top tier LANs. Then he was kicked, joined Gambit. He led them to top3 HLTV (they were #20 before his arrival), major win, victory on couple of LANs and some high placements. Then he left Gambit, joined struggling Na'Vi again, led them to top2 HLTV, 6 LAN tournaments winnings and major finals. In 2018 HLTV named Na'Vi as top2 team of the year, only prime Astralis was better. Even when he retired Na'Vi was top7 team in the world, so technically he retired at high note, as great player.
2021-04-16 17:33
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#54
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Finland Eestu
I completely forgot about Zeus for some reason, my bad! But yes as you said he is definitely up there. Leading a band of misfits to a major win and helping a struggling Na'Vi to keep up - what more could you ask for?
2021-04-16 17:38
I think Alex is possibly better than both of these. The amount of usage he was getting from Tier 2 players was actually crazy. Then also Vitality as well shows consistency
2021-04-16 19:32
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#63
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Finland Eestu
ALEX is a good IGL as well and seems to get quite a lot of out of worse players. I don't think he is near the level of karrigan or Aleksib, but still definitely not bad. Vitality still did well even without him, but the team felt a lot less structured after he left. I wouldn't say nourishing other players is ALEX's best part, but the structure he creates.
2021-04-16 19:36
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Sorry I didnt mean it as in Alex is a better IGL than Aleksi or Karrigan just at getting more out of the players individually. What people dont think about with C9 is they had no right even having a chance in tier 1. Floppy and Xeppa were NA upcomers, Mezii was literally a nobody (Turned out to be one of the better players) and then Es3tag played 3 different roles in 6 months which is crazy.
2021-04-16 20:59
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#70
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Finland Eestu
No worries I completely understood what you meant. :D I just personally don't think that's his strongest part, but you are free to disagree with me. :) And you are right. With a roster like that, it was really unlikely they'd get past the top 15. The role and player changes within the team + the mean comments must have slowly torn the team apart.
2021-04-16 21:28
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Yeh not to mention some of the things they managed to do were kinda insane for the roster. Having even close games with top 5/10 teams is beyond what they signed. Anyways have a good day man :)
2021-04-16 21:33
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#72
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Finland Eestu
Indeed! I feel like if they managed to pull out some upsets they might've become more confident, which could've resulted in more wins. But oh well, too late now. :( And you too! I hope you are having a wonderful day. :)
2021-04-16 22:06
It's HLTV, what you expect? Them to be smart and actually think of this?
2021-04-16 16:24
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ye, that doesnt happen to often here
2021-04-16 16:45
#39
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Europe Pts
+1
2021-04-16 16:42
+1
2021-04-16 19:30
best igl mens)
2021-04-16 16:06
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#13
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Finland Eestu
He is very good IGL mens))
2021-04-16 16:12
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Poland iOFF
flag doesnt checks out
2021-04-16 16:08
but people be like : he is overrated as fuck although he made 2 teams being so good
2021-04-16 16:08
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#15
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Finland Eestu
I'd still say he is a bit overrated, but he is still definitely a great T1 IGL.
2021-04-16 16:13
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There is something special about aleksi.i remember watching him and pimp rewatching their one round against a team where aleksi give exact thought process of what he was thinking and how they did right move on that round and how well they read opponents.and not to forget tha amount of nades knowledge he have his adr in every match .he is basically a beta version of glaive who would be the next big thing in future.
2021-04-16 19:34
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#65
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Finland Eestu
Aleksib's best parts are surely how he is able to nourish other players and his micro management skills. Although his stats might be a lot worse than some other IGLs, his impact as a player is undeniable. I feel like in a few years with more experience in T1 he'll be one of the best IGLs in the game.
2021-04-16 19:38
did you mean to say underrated?
2021-04-16 16:10
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#16
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Finland Eestu
Nope. I think he is slightly overrated, but still a great IGL.
2021-04-16 16:13
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ohk, now i get your point
2021-04-16 18:44
flamez yes niko no ISSAA underperformed on OG but niko sucks more at issaa's positions (hes playing most of them except on mirage and i think dust)
2021-04-16 16:11
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#20
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Finland Eestu
Although niko is having a pretty bad game at the moment, he is still gaining a lot of map control, which is great. flameZ also gets a lot of space, but he also wins most of his duels. And I feel like niko is doing fairly well as a support player. He seems to be helping the atmosphere in the team and gets his job done.
2021-04-16 16:15
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by map control u mean he dies and gives up man advantage every round? in 35% of game casters said g2 had 8 opening round kills where OG only had 4 sure issaa wasnt amazing but see ur giving him excuses, no one gave issaa excuses only flamed to death
2021-04-16 16:17
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#23
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Finland Eestu
Even if he dies, he can still gain map control. And as I said previously, he is having a pretty poor game himself, but he is still important for his team. :)
2021-04-16 16:19
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if he dies he loses map control cuz someone killed him there... unless i dont im confused by what ur saying ur logic makes no sense. If that was issaa this thread would be about -issaa
2021-04-16 16:20
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#27
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Finland Eestu
Sorry for explaining myself poorly, my bad! What I tried to say is if he for example pushes to heaven as a T on Nuke and dies there, he still made sure there's no one in garage or in any place close to that, which makes it easier for everyone else to move around the map. I would say gaining that much map control is a lot more beneficial for the team than him dying there without a trade. And no, I never had any problems with ISSAA - I actually really liked everyone on the team. :) ISSAA had his problems for sure, but no point blaming all the team issues on him. Playing with bad ping from Jordan and constantly getting shit on will make anyone play bad.
2021-04-16 16:26
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your point makes sense and i somewhat agree with you now but as we both see i think OG need a bit more than the map control at this point (like atleast 1 kill occasionally when getting the map control)
2021-04-16 16:35
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#37
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Finland Eestu
Yeah sorry I explained myself really badly at first. :D But yeah you're right, three players struggling at the same time makes it quite hard. Good thing they managed to take this game to OT now. :)
2021-04-16 16:41
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+1 hope they win
2021-04-16 16:41
I get that ISSAA is from your country and you want to defend it,but he was just pure bad there's no defending him.And the reason that no one is criticizing niko is cuz it's been like what 1 or 2 months since he joined,ofc he's gonna struggle since he just joined + is plaing new roles.Plus they were playing basically with a stand in since + flamez or michu was the plan all along.
2021-04-16 17:24
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read my replies to the australian (nvm they were all deleted??) I literally said ISSAA was mediocre but atleast he didnt die 20 times outside in untradable positions where his teammates where t spawn. Atleast he occasionally got a single kill when holding A site and didnt just die or push thro a molly in hot cuz thats smart? ISSAA got criticized day one lmao but understandably so 0.68 rating for niko and nuke is one of nikos best maps
2021-04-16 17:29
Everyone knew ISSAA was inconsistent as hell before he joined though, in case you can't remember this as it's some time ago, a lot of people questioned the idea of OG picking him up in the first place as you never know what you get with him, this showed perfectly in HR where he was either a god or completely missing.
2021-04-16 19:34
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yes and Heroic benched niko and won epl i question why benching niko was their solution
2021-04-16 19:45
Massive penis igl yesmen! he just lacks in the personal skill department
2021-04-16 16:12
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#22
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Finland Eestu
He has his sudden pop-off games from time to time, but hopefully he'll be a bit more consistent in the future. :) At least he gains quite a lot of space for his team, so he's not totally useless.
2021-04-16 16:17
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United States JustBitsy
I just wish we could go more than one week without calling into question every single pro players' competency.
2021-04-16 16:13
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#25
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Finland Eestu
Indeed. All pros are there for a reason, so it's quite dumb to think they are not competent to play at this level. There's a lot more going on behind the scenes than most people seem to think.
2021-04-16 16:23
funny how u think aleksib has anything to do with flamez being the best version of himself. hes on the team for just a week, how does aleksib have anything to do with his form? aleksib isnt a good igl, he just had a fluke with ence, hes been on og for a while and this team couldnt achieve anything despite having really good players to work with.
2021-04-16 16:14
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#30
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Finland Eestu
Of course the IGL has an impact on how the players perform. Although flameZ is an amazing player, he surely wouldn't perform this well against G2 , if Aleksib wasn't able to utilize him this well. Just look at what happened during the Endpoint - Astralis game. If the IGL's calls aren't good enough everyone will struggle. hltv.org/matches/2346959/astralis-vs-end.. (No hate towards MiGHTYMAX though, I just don't think his calls are T1 level yet)
2021-04-16 16:31
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your astralis argument means nothing, hltv.org/matches/2347740/astralis-vs-og-.. flamez didnt play good against astralis even under aleksib leading. your a bit delusional if u think aleksib managed to boost flamez performance in a damn week. maybe flamez is a good nuke player(didnt get many chances to play that map in endpoint), or maybe he have more room to play cause of his teammates.
2021-04-16 17:32
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#66
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Finland Eestu
I'm not saying it's just because of Aleksib's leadership, but it surely helps. Having a good IGL leading and creating structure makes anyone play well. And yeah it might've not been the best example, but just look at their game right now.
2021-04-16 19:42
Stop baiting. Or leave this site. If you seriously comment like this, you shouldn't be on a cs related site, cause you know absolutely nothing.
2021-04-16 17:09
#19
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Slovakia VERGiLx
Niko was always good player
2021-04-16 16:14
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#31
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Finland Eestu
Indeed! A very underrated player in my opinion.
2021-04-16 16:31
#35
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Finland ballu609
overrated as FUCK always the same losses to forcebuys, weird slow rounds and total lack on communication when something unexpected happens.
2021-04-16 16:36
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#45
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Finland Eestu
He has made some questionable calls in the past, but overall he is doing great calls most of the time and works well with whatever players he has. The people who say he is the best IGL of all time or even top 3 IGL of all time are just delusional. He is a great IGL for sure, but nowhere near the best at least yet, hence why I'd say he is slightly overrated.
2021-04-16 17:01
only igls i put above him rn are gla1ve and blamef i think hes a solid top 3 or at least 5 out of current teams
2021-04-16 17:27
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#55
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Finland Eestu
I would definitely put gla1ve as number one, maybe karrigan as second and perhaps blameF as third (funny that the top three is all Danes hahahah :D). I would maybe even put some other IGLs like nexa and cadiaN above Aleksib, but I still think Aleksib is a world class IGL. I think Aleksib has some other qualities that make him stand out, but his quite poor individual form is one of the biggest thing holding him back. Other IGLs that I listed can frag really well (besides karrigan) + make great calls and utilize their teammates well.
2021-04-16 17:46
have you already forgotten how fucking bad the last OG was? same igl, don't get ahead of yourself
2021-04-16 18:58
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#58
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Finland Eestu
Aleksib was never a bad IGL, but he surely has his flaws like every other IGL has as well. Also blaming the team's results on just one player is just bad, be it the team's IGL, support, AWPer, entry or whatever.
2021-04-16 19:29
I know that blast can't show any of their good comms but the comms they do show seem really basic, it almost makes it more impressive that they're winning these rounds while saying barely any info
2021-04-16 19:37
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#67
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Finland Eestu
Yeah that's a bit weird tbh and also how messy their comms seem to be. But that's something that should get better over time.
2021-04-16 19:44
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