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Now floppy is switching to Valorant as well. Wouldn't be surprised if tarik makes the switch too, he already is entertaining content creator and would probably have a huge audience in Valorant. Not to mention all the Young NA talents who probably switched to Valorant already... Who will replace the current NA pros when they're washed? The NA playerbase is shrinking... Do you think Valve will step in and do ANYTHING to attract players to CS? Some updates, improve anti-cheat, maybe remake matchmaking and give 128tick? FaceIT seems pretty shit in NA ngl.
2021-04-17 02:18
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#1
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Estonia endpointfan
valve doesn't really need to do anything
2021-04-17 02:19
13 replies
They don't NEED to, but unless they don't give a fuck about the whole NA scene dissapearing then they Kinda need to
2021-04-17 02:26
12 replies
it'll revive on its own lol
2021-04-17 02:27
11 replies
(X) doubt
2021-04-17 02:27
9 replies
everything works in cycles + money in valorant is limited
2021-04-17 02:31
8 replies
#45
ropz | 
United States Goob
why is money in valorant limited? do you understand riot is owned by tencent
2021-04-19 23:12
5 replies
Not to mention look at League Of Legends they have multiple leagues thriving
2021-04-21 01:11
If Valorant will take the same approach as LoL to the e-sports (which it seems to), then a good amount of these players will eventually come back. In Lol are no IEM, no WESG, no Blast premier, no flashpoint, there is only the world championship and your local leagues and that's it. In terms of money, you will make far more money in cs than Valorant unless they change their competitive system.
2021-04-21 01:34
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#114
ropz | 
United States Goob
with salary inflation a lot of players will ride out in valorant as long as possible then when they get washed up and try to come back we should let them in?
2021-04-21 03:01
2 replies
The Lol system force you to be the literal best team of the world just to compete, there's no such thing as "top 30 teams", there's only the teams who classify and those who don't. Under that system only the best of the best can make a living out of e-sports, that's why the players will come back to cs, because there's different competitions with different tiers. And yeah, you should allow them, otherwise NA cs will be dead permanently.
2021-04-21 05:35
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#126
ropz | 
United States Goob
i hate to say it but you just seem ignorant
2021-04-21 13:36
how is it even close to limited, pls explain
2021-04-20 05:56
LIMITED XDSDDDADADADADAXXXAXAXAXAX
2021-04-21 01:07
no that's not gonna happen,Eu will crush NA scene until they can't handle it anymore and move to valorant.
2021-04-18 00:59
#2
NAF | 
United States colbert^
Valorant isn't cool or funny so there is no good content to be made there Our content king will make the best decision
2021-04-17 02:20
9 replies
Sleeper Hiko literally gets like 20k+ viewers all the time, Tarik probably easily the same. He already has so many NA fans who probably switched to Valorant, he'll feel really welcomed there since the NA scene is big there
2021-04-17 02:22
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#7
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United States colbert^
I don't find any valorant content interesting no matter who it is. Like I bet if tarik switched to valorant I would watch his videos/streams for a week or 2 just because he's tarik but valorant gets boring very fast.
2021-04-17 02:23
7 replies
Well idk the Valorant Twitch streamers get way more viewers than the CS streamers... More than anyone except s0mple
2021-04-17 02:24
3 replies
#9
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United States colbert^
Those are all kids watching who will shift games like fortnite to COD to valorant. I doubt the viewers are there to stay.
2021-04-17 02:25
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#43
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United States Phamous3k
Yeah but, you’re just making an assumption. Clearly Vals content streaming has grown and w/ Riot always adding content for uhhh content creators it’ll probably not die anytime soon. Valve just on Valve time lol. They got Steam and use esports in CSGO for you to buy crap off steam.
2021-04-19 23:02
Depends who’s streaming for both games. There isn’t a whole lot of CS Pros who stream daily. Theres a good amount of valorant pros who stream daily but most of them are NA and were streaming daily with CS too. There’s a lot of content creators who play Valorant because it’s pretty noob friendly and easy to learn. I figure most are default viewers who are young kids but I know twitch had bot accounts get banned recently. I know when Ethan switched he got like 5k on valorant but now he barely gets 1k or less. Kinda weird idk if he was viewbotting. His chat was kinda dead for that many viewers.
2021-04-21 01:25
#23
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North America joeS
only time i will watch valorant is if moe is playing. Just so i can see him rage
2021-04-17 02:34
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Valorant is so bad that I don't even watch moe play it
2021-04-17 07:53
#46
ropz | 
United States Goob
yes but you are one
2021-04-19 23:13
#3
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China SwooksarV2
If content machine leaves csgo it will be a sad day for NA.
2021-04-17 02:21
2 replies
+1 but which machine?
2021-04-20 05:06
1 reply
EDSHOT MACHINE o wait..... :(
2021-04-21 01:09
with the recent vac ruling coming like five years too late, it's safe to assume valve's MO is to not take any action on something until the thing really festers... and then they'll do something about it two years later.
2021-04-17 02:21
3 replies
Sad this game is goat but the company don't really give a fuck lmao
2021-04-17 02:22
2 replies
Yeah CSGO is great, but valve seems to not care too much about the competitive scene and treat this game like a cash cow.
2021-04-20 05:57
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#77
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Japan Peine
Expected from a NA company
2021-04-20 12:47
Just hope Valorant does really well, maybe then Valve will get off their asses and try attracting new players.
2021-04-17 02:26
11 replies
Valorant as a content game is already doing really well. Their streamers get way more viewers. Not sure how their e-sport scene is doing, i have watched some games and it was boring AF... My opinion.
2021-04-17 02:27
10 replies
Yeah it's quite lackluster, I'm watching shroud (he's watching some pro matches) and falling asleep. If the esport does well, you can probably expect Valve to act.
2021-04-17 02:29
2 replies
What does Shroud think? I hope he's also falling asleep
2021-04-21 03:45
1 reply
Who knows, but he's sponsored so I hope he's enjoying that shit.
2021-04-21 04:15
The esport scene is way worse and more boring rn compared to cs, but it doesn't matter that much since games like lol attract a huge fanbase even tho it's a more simple game compared to dota
2021-04-20 05:58
1 reply
yeah but by far better... you just can't deny that dota is outdated in comparison ( its not all about complexity)
2021-04-21 01:11
#74
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Australia Ohnorepo
It's still the new thing currently. We can take all the numbers and translate it how ever we want but nothing really matters for about another year. It's launched during a stay at home bubble and has pumped way too much money into it's e-sports scene real fast. Wait for things like OW2 and for Covid to settle then we can see if the numbers will mean anything in the long run. I remember when OW was the game that was going to get Valve to do something. Rainbow Six Siege apparently too.
2021-04-20 12:01
4 replies
no they never were not like valve would ever care tbh
2021-04-21 01:12
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#101
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Australia Ohnorepo
They were both new FPS e-sports that made a very noticeable dip in CSGO's player base. With fans and professionals alike talking about each game being a competitor or CSGO killer. Even if all of that wasn't true, it still doesn't change the point about the current global situation, and the relatively new state the game is in. Both of which need to be considered.
2021-04-21 01:26
2 replies
yeah but riot games gives teams more safety than valve, they will establish leagues and make sure the game wont die
2021-04-21 01:34
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#125
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Australia Ohnorepo
Riot does not give teams more safety. No one gives teams any safety. E-sports as a whole is literally in the collect market share phase of it's life, still. Pumping VC money into the scene to get teams into any where they can in the hopes they can become profitable in the future. They will establish Leagues IF the game isn't going to die. They're a business. If Valorant ends up in the toilet they aren't going to burn money to try and make it work. They'll treat it like any other business venture. Once again this changes nothing I had originally said though. You are going entirely off assumptions.
2021-04-21 06:40
#15
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Canada Dubsyy
NA FaceIt is really bad. We have a lot of Europeans and Chinese/Asian players put into our servers.
2021-04-17 02:28
4 replies
Ye I feel you... I wouldn't play CS anymore if EU faceit was bad. a lot of people shitting on NA but tbh the NA streamers were Always the content gods... Also NA fans were amazing. I really hope Liquid doesn't completely fall off this year
2021-04-17 02:32
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#33
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Canada Dubsyy
same. Liquid needs to step up their game, maybe even sign xeppa before he leaves to Valulrant
2021-04-18 00:51
#78
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Japan Peine
NA fans amazing ? The guys that scream U S A U S A 24/7 ? The guys that booed teams in NewYork and only reacted to NA plays ? Nah sorry they're the worst one sided crowd
2021-04-20 12:52
1 reply
That's the point. NA fans are entertaining
2021-04-21 03:47
the answer to who will replace them, nobody. kids aren't playing CS in NA. we barely have 3k players at any given time on official west coast servers, and it's only a little better for east coast. meanwhile europe has 400k players at all times if you combine all the regions and south america and china aren't far behind. i think it's like you said, valve has done nothing to attract young players to the game and NA gamers expect content from games, especially younger ones. maybe when source 2 update or new game comes around then we'll see NA come back into the fold but until then valorant will dominate. source: steamdb.info/servers/
2021-04-17 02:28
2 replies
Ye its insane how much the NA playerbase has shrunk... I Wonder how many of them would return if valve did some huge update like Source 2. Also i think it would really help if Valve improved matchmaking, cus EU FACEIT is really Good, but i heard NA faceit is kinda bad.
2021-04-17 02:42
#79
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Japan Peine
NA = console and casual with a 0% competitive mindset
2021-04-20 12:54
all we need in CSGO is Hallzerk Norways pride and team 777
2021-04-17 02:29
they dont care only sell skin make money. they push bugs and skins r all community made ez cash
2021-04-17 02:31
who cars about na scene
2021-04-17 02:33
1 reply
its nice to have a rivalry
2021-04-21 01:14
getting rid of garbage
2021-04-17 02:44
3 replies
lol u say this... but NA was and still is 100x more relevant than the whole Balkan scene. So nt.
2021-04-17 02:46
2 replies
oh yes g2 is very irrelevant now
2021-04-17 03:14
1 reply
2 players lol
2021-04-21 03:47
For all those players below them will come up and replace them and be allowed the experience to develop as these same players did, Valorant will never kill any scene in CS ever.
2021-04-17 03:31
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#44
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United States Phamous3k
It literally killed NA CS though. Never in the history of CS has this much damage been done. I mean you’re very optimistic but, the reality is no one is investing in our scene. It’s to the point our last few teams are in Europe lol.
2021-04-19 23:07
8 replies
I mean that's exactly it, the only difference in your scene now is you actually have to earn your pay check (you have to be good at the game), no orgs are throwing out ridiculous amounts of money to kids who never win shit anymore... If your good enough you can join an EU mix team or get a spot on one of the few orgs left on NA that's still in CS Go.
2021-04-20 05:02
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#57
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United States Phamous3k
But that’s a big investment to play competitive CS lol. And basically means there is no NA scene since it’s in uhhh Europe. “Valorant will never kill any scene in CS ever.” This statement is false is all I’m saying. We’re literally watching NA die.
2021-04-20 05:39
6 replies
You don't understand really but no matter what happens there will always be players moving in to replace the ones leaving. Let things develop before you make any judgement really the only team NA had/has lately was Liquid anyway who are pretty inconsistent/lan team anyway. NRG on a good day pulled some upsets that was pretty much it, your scene isn't losing that much it's losing players who had their chance and weren't good enough other then Tarik if he switches he's a major MVP. Valorant didn't kill anything, people followed this scene for insane amounts of years and there was always games that became huge in certain scenes especially console shooters back then in NA people would move over to garbage like Halo. It's a cycle because CS isn't going anywhere.
2021-04-20 05:49
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#60
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United States Phamous3k
No one is saying CS is going anywhere just uhhh my region lol. But look, believe everything will be fine I’m simply not that optimistic. Nobody I know who games even talks about CSGO. But we’ll see...
2021-04-20 05:54
2 replies
Metalface is speaking facts. The one's switching aren't good enough for Tier 1 or were on the decline anyways so why care about them. There're upcoming NA players to look forward to, our scene is not dead.
2021-04-21 03:51
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#123
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United States Phamous3k
Dude. Believe whatever you like but, no one is investing, there’s barely a playerbase, most of the existing playerbase left.... Oh and no one is investing lol. Btw... Who we talking about here? junior, kobruh lol. We might have like 8 up and coming players that possibly can be tier2. Maybe 1 or 2 make it big. But hey, go’head & think everything is going to be ok. NA -> steamdb.info/servers/
2021-04-21 04:35
CS is dead in NA, just go take a look at the MM stats by region. As #60 said, I also don't know anyone who really plays CS anymore. It's mostly Valorant, League, and CoD.
2021-04-20 06:50
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that's not backed by stats. People get bored of playing the same game and move on, doesn't mean it's dying. There's an entire younger generation filling their spots. This is CS:GO interest in USA going back 5 years: trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=to.. This is CS:GO interst worldwide, same time frame: trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=to.. They're similar. The NA playerbase is not dying anymore than the the entire playerbase is. Heck, the playerbase is growing look at steamcharts.
2021-04-21 03:58
Floppy isn’t a confirmed switched and Tarik said he wants to focus on content creation and streaming so I will give him that. I hope he doesn’t switch, I don’t think he will. He gets way more viewers on CS than Valorant. Only top pros in Valorant get twitch views. A lot of channels died when they switched. NA CS isn’t dead, it’s in a rocky state for the pro scene but they said it was dead when IBP got banned and then look what happened. The NA CS player base is fine. I wait longer queue times in Valorant most of the time. Just give it time.
2021-04-17 03:42
1 reply
People think some NA pros switching means the entire playerbase is too
2021-04-21 04:00
The only thing Valve might consider to do is making source 2, and even then it it still super unlikely they will.
2021-04-17 03:48
#34
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United States frankay47
the only thing keeping NA CS standing is ESEA
2021-04-18 00:56
#35
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United States ekwi
i mean it's kind of a good thing before there's so much noise, so many crappy low tier teams just trying to "make it" now it's cleared. there's only liquid and EG. don't have to pay attention to like, gen g or c9 or something
2021-04-18 00:58
4 replies
but what happens if Liquid / EG becomes really washed up ? no team will be there to replace them
2021-04-19 12:49
how about chaos, they were good, won quite a bit, but because there was no opportunities they disbanded, that is just sad, and they could've had a great team, but due to the NA scene just vanishing, they will only get that chance in valo
2021-04-20 06:01
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#89
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United States ekwi
I agree with you. I'm not happy about the loss of chaos, they grinded their way up all the way to t2 and were pretty talented. they weren't as lost looking as gen.g was towards the end, or cloud9
2021-04-21 01:06
1 reply
cloud9 wasnt lost i think they were doing fine but yeah online kinda fucked them they never even got to meet i think
2021-04-21 01:18
why would they need to do anything? They still making a ton of money from selling skins and cheats LOL
2021-04-18 01:01
When old dogs will leave cs NA scene will be officially dead. Kids there do not play cs and I do not see any way to bring young audience here. Making this game more colourful/anime is not even an option. Also content creators have no reason to stay as Valorant guarantees more viewers/money with same amount of effort needed. Valve has been sleeping when NA scene startes slowly dying. Will cs survive? Probably yes, but only relevant region will be Europe/CIS. Valorant will be bigger game with bigger fanbase (if it isnt already).
2021-04-18 01:07
the bubble will burst!
2021-04-18 01:22
Bro this is starting to check out MORE AND MORE... RIP NA
2021-04-19 22:52
It makes sense from a monetary perspective. NA audience and sponsors would bring in lots of money to Valorant TOs and players, and it's the biggest booming game right now in NA. Can't blame the players, especially when most of them are far too removed from EU scene to offer up a competiton. I don't see how popularity comes back without LANs. The most that valve can do, is organize more sponsored tournaments. But valve being valve, isn't likely to do much...
2021-04-20 05:07
NA playerbase has literally not changed at all since 2018. Check steamdb.
2021-04-20 05:11
Well the esports scene is dying. There is no differentiation between NA and EU they are two parts of a whole. This forum is really dumb on that count. Likely because most of you are 14 and you don't realize brand deals, sponsors, orgs, TO's are international companies. Valve doesn't give a shit because they see esports as a marketing tool. It doesn't even have anything to do with player base. Valve will get worried when people stop buying keys. Straight up that's all it's about. If Valve wanted to save the game they'd finally push out that source 2 update with a fresh coat of paint on everything and do a soft re-launch of the game. Sadly they would also be smart to get rid of the Terrorist and Counter-terrorist monikers. Just call them T's and CT's like everyone else. Past this the game is on terminal decline. With CiS teams making finals now viewership has already dropped off. Not their fault but it is what it is. It'll go back up with LANs but I think we peaked in 2019. I'm not happy about any of this. I think it all blows because Valorant has sloppy gunplay that can't be mastered due to randomized sprays, you feel like you are walking in melted butter and most importantly it's boring as fuck to watch. This is not to mention smaller issues like the bolt on the AWP being too slow for Simple or Zywoo plays. Anyway. Stop cheering the death of competitive CS. Watch the games and play if you still like it. Not much else you can do aside from hope that Valve does something big. Also when leagues like Flashpoint launch and try to make sustainable futures for the game like Riot does don't cheer every misstep they make like a moron. This is just a personal thing but you guys profess to love the game but your actions indicate you hate it.
2021-04-20 05:13
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What is wrong with the viewership, i can't remember a week when cs;go did not hit 400k despite matches being played online. This week might actually be it because all we have is LULspark. Meanwhile Valorant is super dead with the e-sports matches. They literally have to rely on content streamers to bring in the numbers.
2021-04-20 05:24
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That's not true. sullygnome.com/game/Valorant/90/summary Last 90 days have been really good for Valorant. If you change it to a year it looks bad but it was the new hotness a year ago. Not exactly a fair comparison. The game is absolutely growing. So CS. Number one we peaked at a million in 2020. So far we are at 500k peak this year. Getting deeper into it. Just the same over 90 days the game is doing ok. Growing a bit as the tournament season as swung into the calendar. sullygnome.com/game/Counter-Strike_Globa.. Over a year it doesn't look bad either. sullygnome.com/game/Counter-Strike_Globa.. But there's some worrying signs. Max viewers down 27%. Average hours is up but so is hours broadcast. The one good thing for CS is the viewer loyalty in the core seems to be strong. But if you look at 2018 and 2019 average viewership is the same. To most plebs that sounds just fine but to investors it looks like a product that isn't growing and that is the absolute essence of capitalism and why you are seeing investment being pulled out. Pandemic obviously doesn't help although in a way it does because we have way more time to watch. But in terms of growth and that's what these orgs and VCs give a shit about Valorant is where you want to put your money. Hopefully it follows the OWL trend and just dies. I really do think the game is shit. But I don't think it will at this point.
2021-04-20 05:35
"Well the esports scene is dying. There is no differentiation between NA and EU they are two parts of a whole. This forum is really dumb on that count. Likely because most of you are 14 and you don't realize brand deals, sponsors, orgs, TO's are international companies." Okay? But the NA PLAYERS are leaving the scene, the NA playerbase has been shrinking A LOT. That is NOT happening in the EU scene. Hence, people are saying that the NA scene is dying. "Past this the game is on terminal decline. With CiS teams making finals now viewership has already dropped off. Not their fault but it is what it is. It'll go back up with LANs but I think we peaked in 2019." The viewership is FINE. In comparison, Valorant viewership is very low. Probably because Valorant simply is LESS entertaining to watch, as an e-sport. The playerbase is fine too. Afaik, the playerbase has only been shrinking significantly in NA and Turkey. The EU/BR playerbase is still really big. "Anyway. Stop cheering the death of competitive CS. Watch the games and play if you still like it. Not much else you can do aside from hope that Valve does something big." Who is cheering? Do you think OP is cheering? What?
2021-04-20 05:38
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The viewership is fine but it's not growing. Please use your brain and stop discounting that. Valorant viewership particularly over the last few months is skyrocketing. Also you act like the T2 and T1.5 players in NA have a choice. There's not 100T, Envy, C9, Splyce, CLG, TSM or even fucking Chaos anymore to salary anyone. It annoys me when people act like these dudes just don't want to play CS anymore. I think in Floppy and Xeppa's case in particular they absolutely wanted to play CS and they made it really clear. Last point fair enough.
2021-04-20 05:38
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"Also you act like the T2 and T1.5 players in NA have a choice. There's not 100T, Envy, C9, Splyce, CLG, TSM or even fucking Chaos anymore to salary anyone. It annoys me when people act like these dudes just don't want to play CS anymore. I think in Floppy and Xeppa's case in particular they absolutely wanted to play CS and they made it really clear." I don't think anyone is saying that the players WANT to switch to Valorant because they prefer the gameplay. I think people are saying that the NA scene is on such a decline that Valorant became a more lucrative and future proof option for the NA teamless players. And the more players that leave, the more the remaining players will probably be tempted to leave as well. "The viewership is fine but it's not growing. Please use your brain and stop discounting that." I don't think League of Legends viewership or Dota viewership is increasing as well. Does that mean that those games esports are declining as well in your opinion? Valorant viewership increasing is only natural. It's a new game. However I've noticed that the viewership is mostly related to streamers like shroud, Hiko, other Twitch personalities. Valorant gets way more viewers watching streamers. Only s1mple can compare in terms of viewership to some of those streamers. But their ESPORTS doesn't seem to be doing nearly as well, relatively speaking. So their overall viewership numbers are misleading if you want to see how their ESPORTS is doing in terms of viewership.
2021-04-20 05:47
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Their VCT tournament. (the first 'major' in NA) hit 300k back in December. I honestly don't follow League or Dota but League has it's leagues that keep orgs invested. Which is a major part of my point. C9 can spend a million and a half and leave in a half a year. They are never leaving LoL because they and TL are super popular and they have gigantic investments in the league because they know they have a reliable partner in Riot. And yeah first point fair enough. People just need to stop acting like these players are scumbags. If you are a factory worker and the factory is moving to China you don't move to fucking China to make radiators for Chevy. Frankly I feel bad for the players and I think with guys like Ethan, Autimatic, Floppy and Xeppa we've lost some pretty real talent. Anyway I don't mean to be aggressive. Valorant just annoys me and it's essentially killed my favorite esport. I can still cheer for Liquid and EG but who knows how much longer before Elige, NAF and Brehze are on some Faze esque team. For fans like me and the rest of NA that's the death knell for us. Shit sucks. Valve needs to be a reliable partner. And we need a source 2 re-launch. We've already lost a generation of players in NA it'd be nice to not lose another. And frankly for you Europeans I think you actually agree. CS is at it's best when national rivalries are included. Sweden and Denmark. US and Brazil. I mean in my opinion 2018 and 2019 were such great years because the rivalries were so good. We had Na'vi, Astralis, Liquid and then EG/Mouz towards the end just duking it out all from completely different places. It was great.
2021-04-20 05:59
4 replies
yo wtf u left netherlands out !?!?!?!? GODJ rip godj hope he finds team
2021-04-21 01:27
Such a heated discussion. CS is fine man. They say play base is shrinking but I wait longer for Valorant queues than CS so.
2021-04-21 01:27
2 replies
It's funny you bring that up because it's actually the same for me. Still pretty certain the player base is bigger in Valorant in NA though.
2021-04-21 01:28
1 reply
It probably is bigger for the moment but we will see. For whatever reason NA is known for game hopping. Play this game for a little bit, it isn't as popular, lets play the new game that just came out. Overwatch was that way, same with PUBG, Apex, and Fortnite. What is weird about Valorant is that it was super popular in the beta, bunch of generated hype, and then it like died and all the hype went away. I played it in beta and season 1 and it was cool but got boring after awhile, doesn't have the same satisfaction. I quit playing it and so did most of my friends or people I knew. I think people realized the game wasn't anything special and overhyped. A lot of streamers/content creators stopped playing it like summit, doc, shroud, timthetatman, xqc, etc. It became only really relevant in NA and then randomly people started playing it again like shroud and other content creators. The NA pros get pretty good views depending who it is, but Valorant is similar to CS as where a lot of pros don't stream unless they're NA. Not a lot of NA or EU cs pros stream CS, same applies to EU Valorant, I don't see a lot of EU pros streaming it, only NA. It's very similar to NA CS mainly because majority of NA VAL pros were NA CS pros (mainly t2/t3) who streamed a lot and just do the same for Val. But its weird because the pro scene wasn't doing very good until shroud started doing watch parties. NA was the most popular getting like 10k-20k views a stream until shroud started doing watch parties (wonder if Riot is paying him) and they started getting like 50-60k. When Ethan started streaming as well, he got like 5k views but only gets like low 1k or lower now. Makes me wonder if its bots. I think people started to play it again mainly in NA because the games mechanics is way easier and easier to learn than CS so it attracts to a lot of noobs or new players. I have a strong feeling Valorant will just be another Overwatch 2.0, popular or relevant for a year or two and then falls off.
2021-04-21 03:39
#52
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Brazil k1mkeid
after the scandal that "leaked" weeks ago, i think most of them is just switching to protect themselves from a future discovery of the community.. i mean, it looks like that, because there is no logic in so many players from NA switch, some of them yes do make sense to switch, like Hiko, nitr0 (not that much but acceptable), now Xeppaa? floppy? these 2 are the ones i remember right now, but it was much more players, strange
2021-04-20 05:24
2 replies
*shrug* maybe valorant just better?
2021-04-20 06:48
Riot would just ban them, so I don't see why that would matter.
2021-04-20 06:58
Well, NA just sucks at esports, just watch video about why the Lcs sucks. Its their mindset, na always do well in the early stages of a games esport scene, but they always fall off, when the scene becomes more globalized and they just quit, instead of trying to become better.
2021-04-20 06:29
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maybe we just get tired of grinding boring games. USA dominates at the olympics and at plenty other esports so your logic is kinda shitty.
2021-04-20 06:47
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I think you guys aren't very familiarized with the concept of a team. You don't lack talent, you lack humility and team work. That's why you guys suck at team-based esports.
2021-04-20 12:10
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lol olympics have plenty team sports where we dominate. you must actually think soccer is the only team sport there is, we don't play soccer. our kids don't play it, no one here teaches it. it's a shock we even have a national team at all. just look at how we destroy every country is basketball, that's how it would be for soccer if our country actually cared about it.
2021-04-20 22:18
Stop making it an insult. The US is just an individual society. Go look at the history of Quake. NA produced the most dominant players over 20 years of play. Not to say there weren't great players from EU and CiS but from Fatality to Rapha NA has been the home of Quake.
2021-04-21 01:19
Well NA has baseball, football, hockey, and basketball and we are extremely good at those and all are team based.
2021-04-21 01:26
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Japan Peine
olympics ? Who cares ? Look at World championships, France #1 in football, Denmark #1 in handball And NA as always is nowhere near the top. except in the sport nobody plays except them
2021-04-20 13:00
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this is soooooo cringe. you're bringing up sports that USA doesn't play and judging our competitiveness by that. literally no one plays handball here and like 5 people play soccer (futbol). olympics are fair because it includes almost every sport, you probably don't care about them because you country gets destroyed every 2 years.
2021-04-20 22:16
Bruh, the Lcs are just imports at this point
2021-04-21 00:38
There will always be hungry players who rise to the top. There's no point ringing alarm bells. I predict some of these pussies who switched will switch back after LANs are back.
2021-04-20 06:58
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+1, I don't think that valorant killed the NA scene, it was mostly covid and the fact that NA orgs are all strapped for cash rn due to covid.
2021-04-20 07:08
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+1. NA teams were on top in 2019. Even liquid had slump in 2020 due to covid.
2021-04-20 07:10
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Japan Peine
Liquid has only been good for 3months before Astralis played again and win the major ?
2021-04-20 13:02
Nothing of value was lost.
2021-04-20 12:02
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Brazil guhzzz
Brazil carries the NA
2021-04-20 22:22
dont worry we have BnB
2021-04-21 00:41
All we need is NIP
2021-04-21 00:44
2021-04-21 00:45
Problem is riot games is very good at helping esports grow see league of legends valve couldnt care less
2021-04-21 01:09
One thing to keep in mind. Esports is still in it's absolute infancy. NA sucks at most esports. Aside from the ones like football (CoD/Halo) that mostly we play alone and the British for whatever reason. But we're also pretty good at Overwatch, Rocket League, dominant at Quake and we've had some pretty fucking good CS teams. I think the reason NA got good at Overwatch was the entire league was brought together. Players from Korea, EU and NA all played each other in solo Q and scrims and it made for a pretty competitive league. Shame about the game sucking. As far as League goes the only accomplishment EU really has over NA is making the finals over worlds rather then the semis which C9 did. LEC is better then LCS but League of Legends is still absolutely dominated by the LCK and LPL. The west isn't even close. Especially with Perkz gone. The most talismanic player EU has ever produced plays with three NA players and they look like they can challenge the very best of EU right now. Anyway long story short if esports makes it this conversation could be completely different. We might not even be playing on the same peripherals in 20 years. Who knows where it's going.
2021-04-21 01:24
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i mean G2 was a top team in League... fnatic was not far off either... I agree with the rest of your post tho
2021-04-21 01:26
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G2 was really good but letting Perkz go to C9 was a mistake. I hate to use this word but the man has intangibles that no other player in the west has. I don't even watch League really but if you watch the game 5 C9 v TL you can see it on the screen how much impact he has without even hearing the comms. Poor G2 even with their super team couldn't even make the LEC finals without him.
2021-04-21 01:30
DUDE MEN WTF FNATIC WON FIRST WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
2021-04-21 01:32
A big factor in them switching to valorant is because riot can actually provide them a lot more safety than valve ever will riot wil help esports stay relevant valve wont ever do that
2021-04-21 01:30
the ''promising awper'' of na scene is junior and well... he is not having a good gameplay in FURIA so right now i don't see much future for usa in cs
2021-04-21 01:33
It's sad. Valorant is gaining much space. The Valve and organizations should plan something to increase american, african and asian CS too. All areas are dying and the teams migrating to european.
2021-04-21 01:48
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