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NBA MVP UPDATED
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas 
KIA MVP LADDER: 1. Nikola Jokic: 26.0 ppg, 10.9 rpg, 8.8 apg, 1.5 spg 2. Joel Embiid: 29.8 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 3.1 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.5 bpg 3. Luka Doncic: 28.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 8.6 apg, 1.0 spg 4. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 28.5 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 6.1 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.3 bpg 5. Damian Lillard: 28.7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 7.7 apg HOT THOUGHTS? Personal oppinion, not enough of Curry, but imo, Jokic takes the MVP title because he is consistent, and because Embiid got injured, which definitely means Joel ain't getting the title, tell me what ya'll think
2021-04-19 00:55
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nikola kovac joelz Lukas Rossander best
2021-04-19 00:56
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#22
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Europe skrekc
+1 joelz best lukas rosenbauer
2021-04-19 01:24
good name
2021-04-19 05:57
#2
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Bulgaria ez4windigo
Cristiano Ronaldo N1
2021-04-19 00:56
2 replies
#71
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Canada Deppan1
VAMOS BRAZIL!
2021-04-19 03:40
1 reply
#189
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Sweden tjevy
What
2021-04-27 12:44
wheres lebron
2021-04-19 00:56
4 replies
#8
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
He is currently 8th on the list, because of the injury
2021-04-19 01:00
lewho?
2021-04-19 03:53
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lebr0n
2021-04-19 19:21
#206
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Philippines batstew
lemickey
2021-05-10 07:51
#4
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Finland kalza1
harden top2
2021-04-19 00:57
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#10
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
I'm pretty sure he is currently injured, he is 6th on the list
2021-04-19 01:00
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#11
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Finland kalza1
well yea currently is, but should be coming back soon
2021-04-19 01:01
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Am I sensing a Nets bandwagon?? Or a Harden fan. If the latter, it's calm, if it's the first one, come on man.
2021-04-28 10:57
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#202
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Finland kalza1
ive been a fan of harden since bout 2013, I literally dont fan any other team than what he is a part of soooo just look at the nets with and without him
2021-04-29 10:38
ez 4 the joker
2021-04-19 00:57
Dame
2021-04-19 01:00
Jokic should and will win it, best stats by far and strong 4th seed Embiid should be 2nd Curry is playing good but isn't carrying, warriors are fighting for playoff spot. Harden led worse rockets teams to 1st 3rd and 5th seed and only got 1 mvp ( robbed of at least 1 ( when westbrick got it)) Curry is a scorer, he can't elevate other players and make team that much better, unlike Harden or LeBron, same with KD, without Harden Nets are 12-11 -barely above 500 Players like KD, curry , kyrie, they can't lead teams on their own and that's why they shouldn't be considered the best
2021-04-19 01:08
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harden won mvp when lebron should've been mvp so saying he was robbed kinda goes both ways on the rest totally agreed
2021-04-19 01:10
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Not even close, Cleveland was 4th seed with 50-32 in weaker eastern conference Rockets were 1st seed with 65-17 on west Harden had 30 ppg 9 apg 5.5 rpg Lebron had 27.5 ppg 9apg 9 rpg Nice try though
2021-04-19 01:16
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Harden 30.4 ppg 5.4 rpg 8.8 apg James 27.5 ppg 8.6 rpg 9.1 apg solo carrying deadweight team cleavland to 4th place is better than playing in best team of regular reason and then choking in wcf (but ik it doesnt impact regular season mvp)
2021-04-19 01:30
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" best team of regular reason" yea, cause Harden is on that team He had no one except CP3 who people called washed before this season which he was indeed, look at Houston now, same players without Harden = worst score in the NBA LeBron had not so good team also, but still solid role players in Clarkson and Crowder ( they are very good in 2021) and Kevin Love who was an allstar So yea, LeBron didn't have much, but don't try to make it as if Harden had anything better
2021-04-19 01:31
And btw, Harden didn't choke anything but I like how people dickride that narrative He lost 4:3 to the best team ever after being robbed by Scott Foster in game 7 playing without injured CP3 That same team swept LeBron in the finals so I don't see how losing 4:3 is worse than losing 4:0 Debunking these espn narratives is my job, you should learn your shit if you want to argue
2021-04-19 01:37
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LUL harden had capella - arguably best upcoming bigman, 2nd best pg in league cp3, trevor ariza, gerald green, eric gordon who all were very decent role players, which overall was miles better than anything lebron had - halfdead love d-wade and rose, thomas with around 35 fg% etc which sums up to the fact that harden had less impact on houston being #1 than lebron had impact on clevland being #4 also what the fuck clarkson and crowder being good in 2021 has to do with clevland being an ass then? so yea, learn your shit, kid
2021-04-19 01:52
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"cp3 2nd best pg in the league" l m a o yea yea very decent role players who are currently dead last in the NBA Harden had higher impact and 15 more wins in harder conference so it shouldn't even be a conversation even if he had better teammates ( which he didn't) capella best upcoming bigman? 14 ppg and all of his points were hardens' assists ( alley oops mostly) centers have way better stats playing with Harden and Kenneth Faried ( what a bum) having 13 ppg in houston proves that
2021-04-19 01:57
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Clueless.
2021-04-19 23:53
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Delusional.
2021-04-19 23:53
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You're the only one on this whole website sharing YOUR opinion, meanwhile you have over 20 users trying to tell you how wrong you are, now do remind me, which one of us 2 are delusional?
2021-04-19 23:54
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yea cause I watch basketball and other users are casuals? Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect
2021-04-19 23:56
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Ah you're one of those ''im always right'' guys huh, anyone who disagrees is either stupid/completely wrong? its time for you to grow up babyboy. So your lifes purpose is to be as special as possible? do you support r@pe aswell?
2021-04-20 00:01
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#152 yes, I'm that guy, cause people are generally stupid and superficial and they tend to follow these narratives instead of doing their own research and digging deeper into the matter
2021-04-20 00:03
I mean the dude above said cp3 was the 2nd best pg in the league, what do you want me to say? Lies? People called cp3 washed when he was in Houston and now all of a sudden he was top 2 pg? he for sure wasn't better than curry, lillard, westbrook, kyrie
2021-04-20 00:01
+1 you actually know what you are talking about, unlike this other guy.
2021-04-19 02:03
+1
2021-04-19 02:35
#198
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Serbia TheSerb
Cleveland are in the east that was the much weaker confrence so being 4th they would probably be 8th in the west
2021-04-28 11:01
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Cavs with 50-32 record were #4 in East On West with this record they would be #3 since #2 were Warriors with 58-24 and #3 were Blazers with 49-33. You either don't know how regular season works or just retarded
2021-04-28 14:43
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But on west they wouldn't be 50 32 because west is much more competitive
2021-05-10 07:38
#19
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Ukraine Taira
"Curry is playing good but isn't carrying" - literally WHAT? "Curry is a scorer, he can't elevate other players and make team that much better, unlike Harden" = LOOOOOOOOOOL
2021-04-19 01:19
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??????? literally everything makes sense Curry is scoring high numbers but can't make other players around him better = that's why his team is losing He can't orchestrate the offense the way Harden can, winning is not about scoring high numbers only, that's why he always has only 6 apg even though he is a point guard What exactly don't you understand? Care to elaborate
2021-04-19 01:24
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how does steve kerr run the offense when curry and green are on the floor vs when only curry is on the floor? why does green have more assists than curry? how does the opposing teams defense react when curry crosses the half court line? wat effect does curry have when he is on-ball vs off-ball and how does that affect his teammates? wats the warriors offensive rating when curry is on the floor vs when he is off the floor? these r questions that can be answered by anyone who actually understands basketball. answer them to the best of ur ability and ill point out where u went wrong w/ stats, figures, or just link u videos of more comprehensive analysis
2021-04-19 04:14
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I don't value your approval especially taking into consideration that your name is stephcurry As for the double teaming, Harden was double teamed his whole career in Houston and now players can't do that anymore cause whoala KD and Kyrie and Joe Harris will be open and ready to swish a 3 My only argument is, how is Steph Curry 9th seed being 28-29 having slightly better teammates than Harden the year before when he carried Houston to 4th seed Curry is the most overrated player in the last decade and always performed awful in playoffs Now that he finally has to carry the team on his own he is unable to and that proves that Harden > Curry . Put Curry on those poor rockets that Harden had to deal with and he wouldn't do shit let alone almost beat warriors losing 4:3 while being robbed by Scott Foster in game 7 playing without an injured cp3. He's still a good player but more of a complementary star, he can't carry like lebron or harden
2021-04-19 04:31
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y dont u just admit u dont have the basketball knowledge to answer my pointed questions towards u instead of making a mockery of urself lmfao... as for double teaming, how about u take a look at the stats on spacing for players and then look at the numbers curry is putting up. if u check out advance stats, curry and jokic r leading offensively in a ton of metrics over harden. harden very likely cant perform as well as curry if he were to have the same spacing and pressure, box and 1s that curry has on him y do u keep bringing up that harden guy who had to move to the East in order to avoid curry in order to have a chance to reach the finals? y do u bring up 28-29 without bringing up any other in-depth stats that tell the story behind it? wats the win-loss when curry is on the floor vs off the floor compared to harden? wats the team rating/ performance of curry and hardens respective teams when either of them r off the floor? how can u say so many words yet manage to somehow get everything wrong LOL
2021-04-20 05:05
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>"if u check out advance stats, curry and jokic r leading offensively in a ton of metrics over harden." -lmfao show me those stats of the past 7 years when Harden had scrubs around him and was double and triple teamed every possession, ofc that in 2021 he has worse stats than Jokic and Curry now that he finally plays with good players and doesn't need to drop 40 every game in order to win >harden very likely cant perform as well as curry if he were to have the same spacing and pressure, box and 1s that curry has on him" You must be kidding me, he can't perform? He carried bum teams to top 1 top 3 and top 5 teams on west whilst curry is fighting for 8th spot being worse than memphis grizzlies also being available should also be counted, harden averaged 36 ppg and rarely got injured while stephanie gets injured every other game now that he has to carry the load so don't talk about win-loss when curry is not on the floor, it's his fault that he's weak >"y do u keep bringing up that harden guy who had to move to the East in order to avoid curry in order to have a chance to reach the finals?" Now you are just making fool of yourself, running from curry? why would he ran of someone who can't lead his team to at least top 5 spot. Curry overrated and got carried his whole career and still barely won with klay kd and draymond winning 4:3 vs harden without an injured cp3 + help of scott foster in game 7 Curry has always come up small in playoffs and that's just a fact, he won't win another chip in his life >"how can u say so many words yet manage to somehow get everything wrong LOL" Literally what I'm asking myself reading your shallow points
2021-04-20 10:26
Holy fuck this is the worst take I have ever seen. Watch these and educate yoruself: youtube.com/watch?v=JCks-bQbn1A youtube.com/watch?v=bvTPxCOfjdE Curry simply has the worst teammates in the league in terms of spacing and yet he is leading the league in POINTS AND EFFICIENCY twitter.com/ThaLakerNation/status/138102..
2021-04-19 15:45
#150
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Russia goodjob
he plays for a team that without him is a 5th worst offense ever and by far the worst offense of the last 5 seasons with him the warriors are 9th best offense this season twitter.com/statmuse/status/137965744487.. twitter.com/MachHomie/status/13784460391.. this is stats before the latest insane streak by Curry Curry makes everyone around him better by just being on the court, because his sheer presence and gravity pulls players away from his partners.. the guy is being double teamed at halfcourt a lot, double teamed off ball and as far as i know he's the only player in a long time who faced box & one defenses against him repeatedly
2021-04-20 00:02
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You seriously wrote all that without mentioning that he is 9TH seed? ahahha 9th seed with negative record 28-29 behind Memphis who has only Ja Morant and some scrubs? stop writing bullshit and answer to simple questions
2021-04-20 00:05
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#156
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Russia goodjob
lmao Ja isnt even the best player on that Memphis team, they're actually better off when Ja takes fewer shots, they've played 21 games in which he had 15 or fewer points and only lost 6 of them the only one who is typing bs is you, cuz you clearly have no idea what you're talking about i already presented the statistical evidence of how awful the Warriors are when Steph isnt on the court, without him they also lost all the games but one this season Warriors are 1-7 without Steph this season for example the Lakers are 7-9 without both LeBron and AD lmfao 6ers are 9-9 without Embiid
2021-04-20 00:42
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Houston is 15-42 without Harden this season and they were 4th the year before so who the fook cares? if you were that good you could carry + these players are not even that bad, draymond, kelly oubre, andrew wiggins ( 1st pick hello 20 ppg player), wiseman ( 2nd pick ) before injury There is no excuse for Curry not leading this team to at least top 5 if he was on the same level as James Harden ( which he obviously isn't), I bet he will get hurt again cause his weak body can't drop these high numbers for a longer period of time >"lmao Ja isnt even the best player on that Memphis team" I will try to unsee this
2021-04-20 00:45
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#158
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Russia goodjob
Houston is 1-0 without Harden and 2-5 with him this season also Ja isnt Memphis best player, Jonas Valanciunas is also these players are awful and i already pointed out how awful this team is without Steph on the court, especially Wiseman who was statistically literally the wost player in the league also the fact that Andrew Wiggins was a 1st overall pick 10000 years ago means nothing and Draymond is absolutely useless offensively when he doesnt have Curry to pass to, also Oubre sucks and missed a lot of time as well
2021-04-20 00:54
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>"Houston is 1-0 without Harden and 2-5 with him this season" what do you mean 1-0? so they played 8 games this season? drunk ? what I know is that nets are 12-11 without harden and 26-8 with harden and suddenly every role player plays better when he is on the floor "also these players are awful" , nah they are just awful cause there is no real pg elevating them, put harden on that team and they are top 5 locked suddenly everyone is useless when you don't have kd and klay lmao andrew wiggins is still 20 ppg player, draymond is top 5 defensive player in the league and oubre is solid 15 ppg role player also being available should also be counted, harden averaged 36 ppg and rarely got injured whilst stephanie gets injured every other game now that he has to carry the load He is just not cut for this, he needs superstars to play with him
2021-04-20 01:13
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I read alot of what you guys said and only thing i can say is for me harden over curry any day, simply because curry is way to much 3point dependent, and if he misses they auto lose, because he cant just switch to 2points/assists gameplay that harden does.
2021-05-10 07:50
“Curry is a scorer, he can't elevate other players and make team that much better, unlike LeBron” L M A O, nice joke
2021-04-27 09:23
Joker ez MVP and its not even close
2021-04-19 01:09
EZ4NUGGETS
2021-04-19 01:11
also who cares about regular season MVP, its fucking rigged ass shit which is decided mostly by media Lakers 2020/2021 champs, LeBron 5th ring and 5th finals MVP ez
2021-04-19 01:14
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#18
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
What about Brooklyn, should be a finals teams, maybe even Denver if they get a consistent shooter (for now MPJ cuz Murray is injured), Boston? Heat? There is all these solid teams, wouldn't say EZ ring for LeBron
2021-04-19 01:17
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Brooklyn lost Aldridge, their defence is total ass, in recent match Lakers owned them even without lbj and ad playing, not even sure they will go into Finals tbh Denver seems solid but I doubt its enough to stop playoffs Lebron + AD + Drummond Boston is really good, I think they might get into finals this year. Heat seems to be worse than last year, doubt they can pull off smth like they did My bet it's going to be El Classico Lakers vs Celtics this year
2021-04-19 01:28
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Brooklyn will smash any east team. That Lakers game was neck and neck before Kyrie got ejected. Now when Harden comes back it's over.
2021-04-19 01:40
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phila won all 3 matches this year vs them though
2021-04-19 01:51
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I don't think any team can beat KD, Harden, and Kyrie. Those 3 have barely played together so come playoffs time it'll be a cakewalk when they do play together.
2021-04-19 02:31
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All they need is harden recovered, and eather kayrie or kd with him and they got free finals spot
2021-05-10 07:53
Aldridge was an unimportant role player, and their defense is getting better If everyone stays healthy, no one is beating Brooklyn Lakers could possibly start playoffs from 5th-6th seed so their path to the finals won't be a cakewalk Lakers-Nets should be the finals in the end and Nets to take it all I just hope injuries won't play a major factor
2021-04-19 01:48
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true if everyone is healthy its gonna be hell of a finals then
2021-04-19 01:51
I dont know, its close. Could be hell of a finals if everyone is healthy. Look, Lakers have an amazing supporting cast around Bron and AD. They are keeping afloat with 20% of their fucking cap without Bron and AD, and maintaining the best DRTG in the league without them. And Harden, KD and Kyrie havent really had time to get on court chemistry going, i think with all of them healthy they have played like 6 games? They have to nail the staggering and rotations very quickly. This could also not matter at all and they all have shown that they get along really well but who knows. Its a minor concern but still im not sure, Lakers are strong.
2021-04-19 05:19
Im a celtics fan and we've been shit the entire season. We've been good last 6 games because tatum or brown pop off. Celtics aren't going to win against the nets, sixers or bucks.
2021-04-19 04:19
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I dont like yall either. I feel like its just iso non efficient basketball, and the pieces definitely arent good enough to overcome any of Nets, Bucks, Sixers.
2021-04-19 05:28
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Kemba was trash this season and still isn't what he was supposed to be coming from last season and charlotte the year before. I really like Tatum and Brown but they obviously hero ball to much, dumb iso plays after and after again. When smart isn't on the floor, we're a play-in or 4/5/6th seed in the east.
2021-04-20 23:58
Lakers too fucking strong honestly. Drummond is a big addition as well. Shits rigged. Buyout, free agents, its all trash. They have a cast that is keeping afloat without their 2 supermax players...Like...20% of their cap is winning games and mantaining the best DRTG in the league without DPOY candidate AD and good defender LeMickey. Its just an insanely deep team and if Bron and AD are healthy in the playoffs they are definitely the favorites in my eyes. I mean Nets can definitely take it, but the rest, idk. Nuggets with Murray coulda been in Finals, but without i really dont think so. Wait i overlooked Clippers, i actually really like their chances, they are good, if Lakers arent at 100% Clippers are getting out of the west as things currently stand imo. Imo its Tier 1: Lakers Tier 1.5: Nets Tier 2: Clippers Tier 3: Sixers, Jazz, Nuggets, Suns, Bucks
2021-04-19 05:15
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#174
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
Hah clippers tier 2 my ass
2021-04-20 18:35
Drummond is a shit addition. He is soft, overrated and not even top10 big man in the league. Clippers > Lakers this season.
2021-04-27 09:27
Should somebody tell you that Finals MVP is a media award as well or will you act like you knew it ?
2021-04-27 09:24
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Will you act like you don't know that it is still less biased than regular season MVP?
2021-04-27 11:29
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LeSs BiAsEd Still the same media award buddy.
2021-04-27 15:03
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sTiLl tHe SaMe MeDiA aWaRd BuDdY Still more objective than regular season MVP mate
2021-04-27 15:04
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No it’s not. MVP is still MVP buddy, be it regular season or playoffs and still is a media award but keep crying about it :)
2021-04-27 18:15
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doublepost :/
2021-04-28 09:41
No one cries, you just made urself a clown by calling these awards same. There is no need to continue this conversation any further
2021-04-28 09:41
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Same media awards buddy. Acting like media has a much bigger influence on regular season MVP than playoffs lmao
2021-04-28 12:12
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I never said they have bigger influence on regular season MVP you dummy, I said finals MVP is more objective than regular season MVP.
2021-04-28 14:50
#20
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Serbia Belgrade
never heard of them
2021-04-19 01:20
i think the 26/11/9 from jokic is unreal, and the scoring likely gets better with murray done
2021-04-19 01:22
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Honestly that statline is nothing unusual. Still love Jokic though. I think he has been the 4th best player in the season after Embiid, Harden, Lebron, but MVP is not the best player and I wont mind if he gets it.
2021-04-19 02:06
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I don't see how you got anyone above Jokic this season Embiid is in better team and doesn't have to be a point guard elevating others, he can just focus on scoring + referees are acting suspicious this season giving him 12 free throws a game and giving Jokic only 5 often robbing him of obvious fouls Jokic has no help and now that Jamal Murray is gone their chances of doing something in playoffs are slim MPJ is balling lately but that's not enough Also Embiid missed 17 games so that should disqualify him as for the best players this season I have 1.Jokic 2.Harden 3.Embiid
2021-04-19 02:30
Joel must take this. He is dominating both defensively and offensively.
2021-04-19 01:33
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Thats my main gripe about Jokic, his team is -9 defensively when he is on the court whereas the sixers are like +18 (or something close, i dont remember) both offensively and defensively when Embiid is on the court. Regular NBA fans just care about pts/rbs/ast.
2021-04-19 02:09
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Serbia nzzm22
Jokic isnt a bad defender, he is a decent defender and anyone that watches the Nuggets knows it. Also Sixers improved their defensive rating WITHOUT Embiid, on off data is biased to team composition and rotations, like all of Nuggets bench, literally all of them are mainly defensive players, Facu, Green, Dozier, Millsap, Hart, Mcgee etc. Every advanced metric ranks Jokic as a positive defender. He has great isolation and pnr defending numbers, he has great active hands, great positioning and rotations, good rebounding, strong and smart in defending the post in isos. Now he isnt quick, doesnt jump high so he is one of the worst rim defenders, but overall, if you watch the Nuggets and know how to read stats, Jokic is obviously a decent defender overall.
2021-04-19 02:42
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Thats just not true. Denver is 8.4 pts better with Jokic off the court defensively. DefRtg = 112.8 with Jokic on court, DefRtg = 104.4 with Jokic off the court. Thats bad defence. Embiid numbers have dropped from the beginning of the season actually but his numbers are; 104.6 on court, 106.3 off. Meaning his team is 1.7 pts better with him on the court. There are no advanced stats where Jokic is a positive on court defensively? What stats are you looking at?
2021-04-19 03:10
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Serbia nzzm22
because when Jokic gets subbed the bench is going in and the bench consists of great defensive players????
2021-04-19 03:15
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What, Paul Millsap and Mason Plumlee are "great defenders"?.. Ok. I mean Millsap is alright. That doesn't mean you get to say that Jokic isn't a bad defender though. His team is almost -10 when he is playing defensively. Don't make me look like a Jokic hater, because I really like him. But lets just keep it honest.
2021-04-19 03:25
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Serbia nzzm22
Are talking about current season even? Plumlee isnt on the Nuggets. Bench this season consists of Monte, Campazzo, Dozier, Sap, Green, was Hartenstein, now a bit of Mcgee, and Zeke, Rj (before) occasionaly. Only Monte in this group stands out offensively. As for defensive stats, most metrics back Jokic up as a positive even with on off data, such as LEBRON, EPM or RAPTOR. Now not a single model is a truly realiable for real defensive estimation, but these are definitely decent and give some insight. Has had positive DRAPM and DRPM over the years too. Now for more quantifiable defense, you can look up Jokic's defending the pnr and Jokic isolation defending numbers. They rank elite. There is nothing sugercoating the fact that people dont score well on Jokic in isolations or that he defends pick and rolls well. You said you like Jokic, you should know this, he is really really bad at rim protection, but on pretty much everything else defense wise he is average or good. You know he has top bball iq, so he has great positioning, anticipation, doesnt bite on fakes, has godlike hands, best center steals and deflections wise, he is strong and moves his body well.
2021-04-19 04:02
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kudos to you for having patience to argue with this brainlet but I advice you to stop cause you might lose some braincells You should've stopped when he mentioned PER , lmao
2021-04-19 04:26
I mean, maybe, maybe not. Maybe he is average when you consider there are 450 players in the league. But when you're giving up 9 more points defensively when you're on the court, and you're playing in a team with real aspirations in the playoffs, I will call you a bad defender. It's nothing personal. I'm not really interested in digging up advanced stats to break down Jokic's defense any more than what I can see him defend in the playoffs, but thats good to know. The only defensive stat I care about is points scored on / off as an indication and for the rest I think you do have to go by the eye test to get a good assessment. I thought Plumlee was still playing... Too bad.
2021-04-19 04:34
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Serbia nzzm22
He cant with 18+ games missed. Also the game isnt equal offense and defense wise. The game is obviously offensively skewed and offense of one player means much more to the team's offense than the defense of one player, there is a much bigger possible load to be taken offensively. I honestly think that Jokic's playmaking over Embiid's nonexistant playmaking means more than the difference between Embiid and Jokic defensively, simply because defense isnt as worth as offense. In a vacuum where defense is equal to offense in game, Embiid is a better player, but it doesnt work that way, Jokic's superior offense means more. And pretty much every advanced stat agrees. EPM, BPM, RAPTOR, LEBRON etc. So not only is Jokic a better player, but he has played 60% more minutes more than Embiid. Jokic is mvp.
2021-04-19 02:46
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big +1 on this
2021-04-19 02:53
Thats a weak take. Embiid has a better PER this season than Jokic, so offensively he is just better than Jokic in the first place. But in general your point about defence not being as important is just kind of nonsensical. Last year Jokic was averaging around 15pts a game against Dwight Howard in their MU. Now Jokic averaged 21 that series but he was completely forced out of his game when Dwight was on him. How is that any less relevant?
2021-04-19 03:21
7 replies
#62
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
PER is the worst advanced stat and you wouldnt be commenting it if you knew. It doesnt value assists at all, overvalues scoring and drebounding. Jokic doesnt have trouble scoring on Dwight, in the Lakers series they Dwight just fouled Jokic out and got info his head, its semantics. Look up Jokic's possesion on Dwight throughout the years.
2021-04-19 03:25
6 replies
PER isn't the end all be all, but it is very good in measuring a players' offensive value to a team. The limitations of it are that it's somewhat skewed towards big men and doesn't really factor in defence. It does account for assists though. Since Jokic and Embiid play the same position, it is actually a very good (purely offensive) measurement of their value. Whether Dwight got into his head or not, I'm just highlighting the importance of defence. Slowing down the best players in the opponents team is extremely important. MJ and Kobe used to always defend the best players (#1-3) on the enemy team and they would average significantly less against them.
2021-04-19 03:33
5 replies
#82
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
I said that it doesnt value assists, like it doesnt value them enough. The multiplier for Hollinger's PER for assists is x * 34.6, for a field goal made its x * 85.9. For a single free throw made the multiplier is x * 46.8. Like PER considers a single point to be 30% more valuable than an assist. It doesnt make sense, its just a bad outdated stat. Measuring player's offensive value by a box score stat is simply much better done with BPM. And Embiid doesnt sniff Jokic in pretty much every single offensive metric not called PER. They arent close offensively, like they arent close defensively. But i think that the gap in offense is bigger because of the way the game works, with individual offense having more impact than individual defense, and i repeat, metrics mostly agree with me. I dont need to argue to you that individual offense is more valuable than defense. Its pretty much a well known fact. And you know it. I didnt say that defense is worthless so you dont need to point out that defense is important.
2021-04-19 04:12
4 replies
Well you did say Doesn't value assists "at all". Anyway I think thats about a correct estimation for an assist, since you can't measure the exact value of every single assist. For example throwing a pass from the post to a guy that has 1 meter of separation from the defender and the guy makes it, is much less valuable than drawing a double team in the perimeter and throwing it to an open guy. I think a single point is in general more valuable than an assist. Basically it's just a question of how many percentage points does the assist bring up the average conversion rate of the shooter. No, a point is still a point. Whether it's one generated from offence or the lack of generation through good defence. It's just easier to generate great offence than it is to generate great defence, so thats what a lot of teams opt to do these days, but championships are still very much won through great defence. I don't agree with your sentiment.
2021-04-19 04:51
3 replies
You really out here arguing that one point is as worth as 1 assist. Or what assists in general insinuate, general playmaking. PER also uses raw numbers and not Ast% etc, so there is not even compensation for relation to league average numbers. So youre saying that 10 points from a role player that got his buckets handed to him to a silver platter by creation of someone like CP3 matters more to a team than CP3's 13 assists which generated 26-39 points. No need to discuss anything further with you, have a nice day/ night. Btw a little heads up :) Denver has a 134 offensive rating when teams hard double Jokic in the post. For Embiid and Philadelphia the number is 97.7 :) so i guess throwing it the open guy isnt that simple and easy :) 40ortg difference.
2021-04-19 05:04
2 replies
So lets assume an assist is worth 1 point. Take a player with a hypothetical 50% FG. Lets have him shoot 10 shots off of assists. Normally the player will average 10 points a game off of 10 shots (2p). For an assist to be worth 1 point the same player has to average 15 pts out of 10 shots which amounts to 75% average conversion rate. Now in this case for us to say that an assist is worth 1 point we have to say that every assist is worth a 25% increase in the success of a players' shot and that just isn't the case. You have to understand nearly all players have around 50% conversion rate regardless of the pass (of course depending on the position on the court) so no assist is a 100% increase in the chance to score, even the best assist is lets say a 55 - 60% increase since there is always the chance to miss. Those are good numbers for Jokic. He is more important to his teams offense than Embiid, I have never questioned that. The team is built around his playmaking.
2021-04-19 14:01
1 reply
Actually the best possible assist is really closer to 30-35% increase in conversion rate and even that might be too high.
2021-04-19 14:36
#30
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United States BGS
I say Joel for now but if the Nuggets don't fall off with Murray's injury and Jokic continues to perform at or above his level, I don't see how he doesn't win or at least shares MVP with Joel. Lebron is Lebron but hasn't played enough finally.. same with James Harden. He was higher up for me after being traded to the Nets and seeing him do what he was doing. I dislike Curry because I loved to hate the Warriors but man he is so underrated. Doesn't deserve to win it but what he continues to do is just.. wow.
2021-04-19 01:43
8 replies
wow.... Curry is leading his team to 9th seed being under 500 ( 28-29) just wow... so underrated his team is not even bad, draymond green, andrew wiggins , kelly oubre hellooo how is this team any worse than hardens' rockets last year ??? curry is so overrated man people are blind af
2021-04-19 02:17
7 replies
IMO the last two seasons have just proven how Klay Thompson was the real backbone of that 5 year dominance from the Warriors. Sure Curry is the *slightly* better shooter and a little quicker...but Thompson's defense is just lights out. You're totally right: the Warriors lineup on paper should have them in the top6 seeds imo, the fact they are struggling to make the play in says something
2021-04-19 05:24
5 replies
Thompson was a perfect fit, best shooter that doesn't need a ball + great defender , but the real backbone was Draymond Green and his remarkable interspace defense He can guard multiple players at the same time and draw needed attention, but yet again he needs to have good players around him cause he isn't even a decent scorer ( though he had some crazy games back then) That team was just a perfect fit and adding KD made them unbeatable, but again it looks like neither KD or Curry can carry teams on their own General opinion is that KD> harden, but Nets are 12-11 without harden and 26-8 with him so you tell me , also don't forget the fact that Harden was the closest one to beat the best team ever losing 4:3, same team that swept Lebron 2 times
2021-04-19 06:01
Worst take of all time From 2014-15 to 2020-2021, With Steph Curry and Klay Thompson on the floor: Warriors had a net rating of +17 With Steph Curry on the floor and Klay off: Warriors had a net rating of +9 With Klay on the floor and Curry off: Warriors had a net rating of +1 When KD was with them: Steph on, KD/Klay/Dray off: Warriors +11 KD/Klay/Dray on, Steph off: Warriors +2 Warriors with Steph as the lone all star was a far better team than Klay + KD + Draymond LMAO Steph is he backbone of the Warriors, stop looking at boxscores stats and understand the game
2021-04-19 15:37
3 replies
He sure was great when he was surrounded by best players in the world + best role players in the world at the time but he always came up small in playoffs and even choked 3:1 lead Let's talk about the present, him being 9th seed with 28-29 record. What kind of a superstar is he if he is unable to carry the team on his own? Well I'll tell you, he's a complementary star just like kyrie, both don't have the ability to orchestrate offense with their playmaking and therefore can't elevate other role players to perform better He is an amazing scorer, but that's just not enough. Harden was top 5 top 3 seeds with even worse teammates so I don't see how curry is not overrated. Put Harden on those warriors 2014-2019, he has 3 rings by now, put curry on rockets 2014-2019, he ain't making the playoffs Put harden on these 2021 warriors, they are top 5 in the west
2021-04-19 17:29
There should be no excuse for golden state being 3 wins behind fucking memphis grizzlies Ja morant carrying better than steph????? I bet you wouldn't be able to name 1 player that plays for grizzlies this year lmao
2021-04-19 17:47
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lmao what a joke you have no idea what you're talking about still Warriors record when Curry plays this season: 34-26, that would have them right there 1 GB of the 5th seed. They're a much better team than the Grizzlies, the fact you know nothing about the grizzlies shows you really don't know what you're talking about. Any actual fan should be able to name half the grizzlies roster - JJJ, Ja Morant, Kyle Anderson, Valancuinas, Clarke, Grayson, Dillon Brooks, Melton and Tillman off the top of my head I'm sure I missed a few obvious one though. This season the Warriors really tried to prioritise Wiseman's development and he absolutely sucked. If they hadn't they would've had a good 5 or so more wins. You can't fault Curry for that - he was a 19yo rookie with no training camp and no college basically who simply wasn't in a position to play winning basketball within a complex offense yet the warriors ownership forced their hand into making him play big minutes. Curry this season is leading all 15ppg+ players in PPG and efficiency WHILST being on the team with the worst spacing in the league (6.6%ile spacing score), what more do you want from him - that is absolutely unprecedented in the history of the league. 2016 Curry is the only other player to lead the league in efficiency and PPG but he did it on much better spacing In the 500 mins with both Curry and Wiseman on the floor, they were a -9.3 NRTG. In the 1500 minutes with Steph and no wiseman they were a + 8.7 NRTG - massive difference because they were forced to play through Wiseman with him on the floor. Also for the Harden/Curry comparison Warriors with Curry (2014-19): + 14.3 NRTG (15000 min), without: -2.3 NRTG (9000 min): + 17 on/off Rockets with Harden (2014-19): +6 NRTG (17000 min), without +0.2 (7000 min): +6 on/off Warriors are better with their star on the floor AND worse with their star off the floor across that span - that's the mark of a much better player. You underrate how good those rockets teams were, they were deep with role players who knew their role and played it well. Next time try arguing with actual stats rather than your feelings lol
2021-05-10 07:28
Draymond Green is a one-dimensional guy that can’t shoot and can only play elite D. Andrew Wiggins is a bust and has proved to be one even in GSW. How tf can you break someone’s ankles and then an air ball wide open mid range ? Kelly Oubre ? Should consider porn career honestly, dunker with an inconsistent shot. Without Curry they are fighting for a top1 pick. With Curry they are a playoff team
2021-04-27 09:31
D Booker the goat
2021-04-19 01:47
1 reply
MPFOAT maybe, most punchable face of all time.
2021-04-19 05:22
Joker MVP, Embiid hasn't played enough games, Luka Steph and Giannis are having a great season but Jokic seems to be at another level
2021-04-19 02:13
1 reply
common W
2021-04-19 05:38
KRISTAPS)
2021-04-19 02:19
3 replies
is trash
2021-04-19 05:21
2 replies
kristaps >>>>>> jokic
2021-04-19 13:42
1 reply
Kristaps = budget bol bol
2021-04-19 23:51
Lets go joker Sad for murray tho,denver had an big potential this year and jokic can even lose the mvp bcs of him not playing,hope he have an nice recovery
2021-04-19 02:21
1 reply
#50
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
Man, Denver without Murray isnt weak at all, atleast for the regular season, like for playoffs and hard opponents no Murray will be a big lose but MVP form Jokic + surging MPJ and good supporting cast are more than enough to rekt in regular season, forget dropping, Denver can literally finish 2nd, they are hot.
2021-04-19 02:37
Man, what happened with hawks? They are on 4th from nowhere JEZZZ
2021-04-19 02:21
2 replies
#51
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
People invested into the club, unlike other seasons+they have more shooters unlike other seasons where Young was the only Hawks player, new great shooter is Bogdanović
2021-04-19 02:37
#51
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
People invested into the club, unlike other seasons+they have more shooters unlike other seasons where Young was the only Hawks player, new great shooter is Bogdanović
2021-04-19 02:37
#49
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
Jokic by far. Top 5 BPM and PER single season in history, his peers being literally only prime MJ, Bron seasons. Leads the nba in pretty much every significant catch all metric, be it box score or play by play models. BPM, PER, EPM, RAPTOR, LEBRON. Oh and has played every game. Embiid is really good too, but with 18+ games missed vs all games played, sorry he wont get it unless the Nuggets fall like into the play-in, which isnt happening.
2021-04-19 02:36
5 replies
#53
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
+1, JOKARA MVP
2021-04-19 02:39
This is just false lol. Jokic is not even leading in PER this season... He is outside of the top 10 PER seasons of all time. Come on man...
2021-04-19 03:40
3 replies
#73
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
Yeah its before i checked again he isnt now. He used to be like end of March beginning of April #3 BPM and #PER at 12.14 and 32.14. He had a bad stretch recently, fatigued and very frustrated with the refs. I knew he slumped so those stats would go down but i didnt know they went down this hard. His overall production wasnt bad but his scoring went down and u know PER is 90% scoring. Currently #5 BPM and #11 PER all time.
2021-04-19 03:48
2 replies
His most impressive stat is VORP where he is dominating right now and I think thats his strongest case for MVP. But I'm honestly fine with anyone named; Giannis, Harden, Dame, Lebron, Jokic, Embiid and even Curry winning it.
2021-04-19 03:52
1 reply
#79
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
VORP is literally BPM * total minutes.
2021-04-19 04:03
who cars? juan soto NL MVP
2021-04-19 03:02
Embiid should win the MVP. jokic is just more hyped and loved basically.
2021-04-19 03:07
9 replies
#69
i am | 
Europe Tier1
You can't win the mvp if you miss 25% of the season. So no. And Jokic is far from being loved. Man gets no love from the media or even the referees. You probably don't follow NBA too closely.
2021-04-19 03:39
5 replies
+1
2021-04-19 04:47
so ur only gonna look at stats? cmon man.. just watch embiid play
2021-04-19 15:29
3 replies
#131
i am | 
Europe Tier1
I'm talking about the MVP award, and that's how it usually works. What a dumb response.
2021-04-19 15:38
2 replies
oh ok, there was a guy with 1/1 yday 100% fg, give it to him, he never misses
2021-04-19 15:41
1 reply
#137
i am | 
Europe Tier1
Are you generating random sentences? Nothing you're saying makes sense. You obviously don't know how awards work. It's not only about stats, if anything availability and seed is a lot more important when comparing 2 players and their chances of winning the MVP award. Embiid has missed 25% of the season because of an injury. Unlucky, but nothing you can do about it. He's out of the conversation. I doubt you even know how a basketball court looks like lmfao.
2021-04-19 15:47
#89
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
How is Jokic more hyped and loved holy shit, the media is still neglecting him and hasnt called him the mvp once, espn literally goes for anyone else, part being to generate clicks and feeling off a tight race, ratings from marketable candidates etc. He hasnt been called by espn the mvp even though he has won the fucking voters poll by 90 first place out of 100. Embiid got 5 votes. Jokic is leading the NBA in BPM, EPM, RAPTOR, LEBRON, WS, pretty much every single advanced statistic and has played every game, i repeat every game. Embiid has played 60% less minutes than Jokic, only 1 person in NBA history since fucking 1950s has won the mvp with as much time missed as Embiid. BBref MVP tracker has had him at #1 since fucking December. When voting was done in January when the Nuggets were a fucking 8 seed it was a three way race with Embiid and Bron (#2 and #1 seed), the only reason Jokic wasnt the frontrunner was record, and now that Nuggets have a decent record there is literally 0 argument for anyone else.
2021-04-19 04:30
2 replies
Stephen A Smith is a known racist so this is not surprising. Bringing Lillard as if he is close in the mvp race even though he is nowhere near Jokic. Skip and Shannon is show about LeBron so they don't even mention anyone else now that he's injured. Kendrick Perkins only real mf out there, rest are unwatchable and unbearable to listen to
2021-04-19 04:38
1 reply
Kendrick recently fucking tweeted that Jokic might finish as a top 20 center of all time when its all said and done and im like mf what the hell u talking he was top 20 by the age of 23 and is currently having the best offensive season out of any center ever. Anyway idk if its about race, its just about clicks, ratings. Like first off they want to create the illusion of a race even though the mvp voters just had Jokic at #1 by the biggest margin since this format is being done. Second off its about marketability and fans, and Dame, Harden, Bron, Embiid are definitely much more marketable and in bigger markets than Jokic, Jokic doesnt fucking have social media lol, he doesnt give a shit. Giannis was a bit neglected like that too in his campaigns, espn is about clicks.
2021-04-19 04:46
#64
i am | 
Europe Tier1
Luka Doncic shouldn't even be in the conversation. I don't think there was a player in the history of the NBA that has won the MVP while being the 7th seed lol. So, trash list. Also, Harden exists. Real list: 1. Jokic 2. Harden 3. Dame 4. Giannis 5. Embiid
2021-04-19 03:31
8 replies
#66
acoR | 
Estonia pj4
swap dame with embiid and its perfect top5
2021-04-19 03:35
5 replies
#67
i am | 
Europe Tier1
No, Embiid has missed 18 games so far. That's 25% games of the season, and it's not even over yet. Basically no chance to win the MVP, but I still put him there at the number 5 spot because he might get some votes.
2021-04-19 03:37
4 replies
#86
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
By a recent poll conducted a few days ago in which most mvp voters voted, Embiid finished second. Jokic finished first by the biggest difference since 2016 in which this voting format started. The thing is, pretty sure that if Jokic wasnt by far the frontrunner they'd still give it to Embiid. Harden is 3-5 with the Rockets, has a negative narrative, trade drama, and has now missed some significant time too. Dame and Luka are about in the same boat to me. Giannis has been missing time recently too, though i think he has a chance if Bucks climb up. But still, hard to overcome the narrative of him underperforming in playoffs for him to get the 3rd in a row. Its pretty much lock for Jokic. Barring season ending absence, or Denver dropping to like 7/8.
2021-04-19 04:33
3 replies
#91
i am | 
Europe Tier1
Yeah, does seem like he's lock, and deservedly so.
2021-04-19 04:33
2 replies
#93
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
Yeah wanted to point out that without Jokic they would have given it to Embiid even with this amount of time missed, he would join like Bill Walton as the MVP with most time missed. Which is just absurd honestly. Too many injured mvp candidates this season. Idk if at that point i'd give it to like CP3 over Embiid simply due to time missed.
2021-04-19 04:38
1 reply
#98
i am | 
Europe Tier1
I honestly don't think Embiid would win it if Jokic wasn't the frontrunner
2021-04-19 04:37
Unfortunately Russel Westbrick won it even though he was 6th seed
2021-04-19 04:08
1 reply
#138
i am | 
Europe Tier1
yeah but I was talking about the 7th seed
2021-04-19 15:50
#68
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Australia flashi
where is michael jordani? isn't he bestest? >:(
2021-04-19 03:38
1 reply
#72
i am | 
Europe Tier1
Go back to your kangaroos brother, they're looking for you.
2021-04-19 03:47
Doncic should not be #3, Curry is way more important to his team and has better stats. Doncic is good and will be great someday but the media hypes him sooooo much
2021-04-19 04:13
1 reply
#94
i am | 
Europe Tier1
lol, imagine mentioning someone from a 9th seeded team
2021-04-19 04:35
isn't dirk nowitzki the best?
2021-04-19 04:36
Curry hard carrying, dropping 30+ a match is the only way GSW wins, like bruh 43, 53, 34 points against leaders in the coast? granted he isnt gelling well or "elevating" the team but the mans lost his best and closest teammates. Splash bros no more, draymond is a joke like what is he supposed to do!?
2021-04-19 04:37
2 replies
Yeah Curry been insane. Cant win it with 9th seed anyway, isnt good enough stat wise to warrant him in the tight convo as the 9th seed.
2021-04-19 04:46
1 reply
he needs a better team to support him, its kinda sad lookin at the GSW
2021-04-20 02:55
Doesn’t matter because lebron James is the greatest basketball player of all time
2021-04-19 04:55
2 replies
As a Laker fan of 25 years it pains me to say this but LeAlcoholic is not top 10 of all time. After getting exposed by JJ Barea he shouldn't ever be mentioned in the GOAT Convo. He is carried by AD and can not even win one real ring. COMICAL! Win a real ring LeToiletWater!
2021-04-19 05:07
1 reply
axaxaxa I still remember Dirk destroying that superteam Greatest finals I've ever seen
2021-04-19 05:39
3 european at top5 hmmm
2021-04-19 04:56
No julius randle no credibility -1
2021-04-19 05:16
1 reply
He wont get a single vote and hasnt gotten a single vote when voting poll was done a few days ago. The players currently on the ladder have gotten votes and probably will get them.
2021-04-19 05:21
espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31250764/nba-mvp.. Jokic 90 first place votes, Embiid 5, Dame 2, CP3 2, Harden 1, Kawhi 1 Thats the difference currently. Its the biggest difference since the current voting format from 2016-17. There is no race. Yall think Embiid can win with 25% of games missed.........
2021-04-19 05:36
2 replies
someone had jokic 4th lmfao show that guys name please media
2021-04-19 06:04
1 reply
Idk, maybe someone that is being an idiot overvaluing defense and wrongfully thinking Jokic is a bad defender and ignoring games played? Like putting Kawhi, Embiid, Lebron over him?
2021-04-20 00:01
imo top1 wade top2 lebron top3 kobe/dirk
2021-04-19 06:06
michael jordan best eu
2021-04-19 10:54
lebron > all of these bots
2021-04-19 10:55
Cristiano Ronaldo Messi
2021-04-19 15:39
Steph Curry is the MVP if were talking about the Most Valuable Player. but welp since the warriors are in the gutter then fuck i guess Jokic
2021-04-19 15:41
Steph Curry 31.0 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 5.9 apg, 1.2 spg - not enough to win perhaps but should be part of the conversation.
2021-04-19 15:43
#141
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Finland DTeeVee
It will be LeBron!
2021-04-19 17:29
1 reply
lebum
2021-04-19 23:56
#159
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Europe Banat
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2021-04-20 00:51
#164
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Lebanon Dogman69
nobody cares, its not LAN
2021-04-20 05:04
Curry is the MVP atm, you take Curry off GSW they would be the worst team in the league imo, worst record all that... you take Jokic off the Nuggets and they still have a solid as fuck team it's not even debatable who is more valuable for their team and Curry has better stats anyway.
2021-04-20 05:11
5 replies
#167
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Lebanon Dogman69
cry more, mvp always from team that is successfull so Curry is ineligible for mvp this year jokic goat best stats and impact this year
2021-04-20 05:25
4 replies
Jokic is a beast no one is hating on him Curry is just better. BTW my favourite player is Kyrie this is unbiased, Curry is amazing with little to no help, team always with injuries can't do shit but Curry is just another level when you watch this guy play.
2021-04-20 05:40
3 replies
#175
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
What help does Jokic get? Lmao, the man is single-handedly carrying his team, look at his performanse against Memphis last night
2021-04-20 18:37
2 replies
Porter and Murray (tho he is injured)
2021-04-27 09:27
1 reply
#188
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Bosnia and Herzegovina filipasas
Yeah MPJ is good rn, but don't revive a dead thread, I'll soon make an updated one
2021-04-27 12:27
#171
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United States julianwb
would be embiid if he didnt get injured
2021-04-20 10:26
pretty insane that Doncic is even considered in mvp talks. What a selfish and terrible player lmfao
2021-04-20 10:29
1 reply
??? Luka carries the entire mavs on his back better than porzingis
2021-04-27 09:26
If warriors get into playoff Curry 100%
2021-04-27 09:25
It’s gonna be Giannis again , probably he will win the title this year
2021-04-27 12:19
#187
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Serbia LtN))
Ez for Jokic
2021-04-27 12:20
Ez 4 GOAT Randle and you can take dame off mvp conversation cuz blazers suck really hard rn
2021-04-27 18:21
#207
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Lithuania Ufasas
i guess it's embiid time , because they always give mvp to a player that later doesn't win NBA final
2021-05-10 07:53
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