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rip ESL?
Kyojin | 
Albania soramens 
unluko seems like last hope for football to be entertaining again died
2021-04-21 00:55
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Denmark JKTP
Ehhhh? Entertaining to watch the same teams, every year. Forever
2021-04-21 00:56
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2021-04-21 00:58
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Russia DabSlingz
+1
2021-04-21 01:07
People who think ESL is good are the same people who call it "soccer"
2021-04-21 01:33
2 replies
+1000000000
2021-04-21 03:30
its actually really good concept and its not gone. they will just reshape it and launch a better version
2021-04-21 03:57
yeah very entertaining to see the same matchups over the next decades... so much excitement... maybe just KeepYourselfSafe
2021-04-21 00:56
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we see way less exciting matchups every year in the national leagues no? rather see city play real teams every week instead of 10 man defending teams
2021-04-21 00:58
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Denmark JKTP
Cool, you can have your opinion I found the leicester at first place run much more interesting then watching Bayern win the bundesliga for the 9th time in a row or Real snipe another CL. Great In my opinion the underdog story is more interesting Obviously big matches are special, Bayern VS PSG was the best in a long long time but it would be nothing special if they met every year for the next 10 years. Also Man City meeting Dortmund was a much better match then pretty much any they had previously
2021-04-21 01:02
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yeah but the things you mentioned are exactly what the super league gets rid off, instead of like 4 hard knockout games every top team need to struggle for playoffs and in the playoffs have hard games right of the bat, the leicester thing was great but thats also a few years ago and the domestic leagues are kinda boring again especially jermany and italy french excluding this year
2021-04-21 01:04
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Denmark JKTP
Not really, the super leage removes relegation so who cares if real does actually dog shit a year because there is no punishment. I also think that the fact Tottenham and Arsenal could not be relegated is a joke, on top of a joke. And who knows maybe in 5 years atletico madrid pulls a shalcke and falls out of La Liga. What then? Do they still not get relegated?
2021-04-21 01:07
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but it stops being about relegation or not, its about missing playoffs and stuff, also a 2nd ESL was planned to allow relegation, but it would work like with the nba and nfl were if u are last u just suck and waste the season
2021-04-21 01:10
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Denmark JKTP
Let's be honest the ESL was probably not really planned for that long cause it was never really meant to exist. It was meant to pressure UEFA, and it backfired hard. Also missing playoffs is really important, if you don't allow that you can't have upcomming teams and you strangle the scene just like in NBA
2021-04-21 01:11
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but there is no strangled scene, the players would just rotate more than they do now, its not like arsenal and tottenham would suck forever, especially because the financial gap albeit small between the top teams would be closed
2021-04-21 01:13
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Denmark JKTP
A rotated scene doesn't make a not strangled scene. They basically only allow clubs that exist know, What about more recently impressive clubs like Leciester? They just got the short end of the stick because the ESL was really about getting money to the biggest clubs. Just like in NBA
2021-04-21 01:14
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yeah it enables an elite circuit where the best play the best, leicester could still impress in their local scene and get picked up in the league, just like luka cooked people in the euro league and is now an nba star
2021-04-21 01:17
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like the same story now might aswell be Arsenal being the last seed for the playoffs and make a miracolous run and win the ESL
2021-04-21 01:17
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Denmark JKTP
Even if it's possible, is it realistic? The UEFA League system is not great, it's made so that the biggest clubs will win most of the time but it has enough breathing room so that big upsets can happen.
2021-04-21 01:25
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yeah but it would be better to have a league where all 15 teams are really competitive and fight for playoffs with an exciting knockout stage following
2021-04-21 01:28
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Denmark JKTP
Maybe for a viewing audience asuming you don't have any upset underdogs because that's way more interesting But it's bad for the actual scene
2021-04-21 01:33
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i have more fun watching equal guys compete than having an upset once in a while
2021-04-21 01:38
seeing city play "real teams" rarely was what made these games special lmao.
2021-04-21 01:00
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it is a lot of fun seeing the best play each other it sadly happens rarely because they are busy playing professional bus driver teams
2021-04-21 01:05
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its not sad it happens rarely. its boring to watch astralis vs liquid back when tournaments were crammed together and they played each other really often.
2021-04-21 02:07
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but its not 1 good team, its 15 equally supported financial wise
2021-04-21 02:09
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15 teams that have 0 incentive to play well because they can't be relegated and are only paid to be there, not to win games. it would be glorified friendlies where there is no competition.
2021-04-21 02:11
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bro just give up on him big up you and the fans in England, you guys have saved football, thank you so much
2021-04-21 02:15
why people think the only incentive to play well is to be afraid of losing? the incentive to play well would be to win, just like you play CL to win, the ESL is a substitute to the CL, playing domestic leagues is still the plan, its UEFAs backlash because they lose money
2021-04-21 02:19
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you don't seem to grasp the simple concept of competition. i seem to recall many csgo matches, one of them involving vitality, another involving c9 and some other team, where they had no incentive to win, so they didn't bother trying and lost games where they were heavy favourites. that would be this "ESL" league. your assumption that people's desire to win trumps everything else is misguided to say the least. tl;dr human nature doesn't work that way. Maybe for a select few, but not most people.
2021-04-21 02:29
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i get your point but what incentive is there then for all the teams who try to win in the CL, like how would that differ from their desire to win in the ESL, thats the point im not quiet getting, because u also dont really lose something if you lose in the CL you know what im trying to say?
2021-04-21 02:31
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In CL they were picked due to their qualifications (e.g. top of league). So in a sense winning this league or playing the best of the other leagues had some merit. In ESL they were picked because of how much money they had.. There would have been little merit in whatever team won or lost. People watching would know that they're not playing for the pride of their team for example, they're not gonna feel like they deserved to be there lol.
2021-04-21 02:43
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I feel like they rather got picked because they are on the top of the game for a few years and they would still do great in their domestic leagues, they would just play for a title among the best like they do for the CL, i dont think anyone from a top team who is in the CL 90% of the time gives to shits about how they qualified
2021-04-21 02:47
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But at least they qualified for it and didn't just buy their way in. ESL is clearly worse than CL. Why can't you accept that? Are you just arguing for the sake of it?
2021-04-21 10:08
Mate what the fuck are you talking about? I don't agree with ESL's concept(it could be better with some changes tho) but saying that "your assumption that people's desire to win trumps everything else is misguided to say the least" is completely retarded.They most likely wanted a system like NBA, you will still do your best to win since you are competing against the best teams in the world, pretty much like in CL.Maybe some teams will play worse in the last games when they are already qualified for playoffs but this happens in domestic leagues aswell, see PSG or Juventus every single year for example, they always troll after they are crowned champions(not this year tho).
2021-04-21 10:29
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At the risk of repeating myself, just like you said Juventus/PSG "troll" after winning their leagues. Whats stopping them from doing it in ESL because they did not qualify to be there in terms of skill? There's no reason to win in ESL either.
2021-04-21 10:33
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That's why i've said that ESL was a good ideea planned badly.With a good playoff format and a relegation system it could've been great. This is how i see it for the first year: The best 16 teams in the world(not the richest, the best) Double round robin First 8 go to playoffs 9th-14th keep their spot Last 2 relegate A qualifier where the next 8 best teams play each other for a spot in the next season Or something like this.CL has way too many pointless games and there are way too many teams who don't deserve to be here.
2021-04-21 10:42
Plastic fan spotted
2021-04-21 09:56
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United States julianwb
true but if you have the same top teams playing all the time it loses hype and matches that are supposed to be crazy just become the norm and dont have hype
2021-04-21 10:01
Seeing teams like Man City play against teams like Barca or Real Madrid every week is the least exciting concept ever. The thrill of the Champions League is that these teams only play eachother a few times a year and makes it so exciting. In the ESL, a League where there is no relegation so nothing to play for, all the top teams in the world, it would just be horrifically boring to see the same thing over and over again and there would be no competition whatsoever. Also, I don't think you've grasped the point that the ESL was only a concept brought up for greed. It was all for money. I think once you realise this, you'll know that it was a complete and utter disgrace of an idea.
2021-04-21 10:18
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UEFA is also only in for the money, they arent pressuring the clubs because they wanna save football but because they are gonna lose their money because of the ESL
2021-04-21 15:55
It's better this way, watching the big clubs play against each other every week would turn boring
2021-04-21 00:57
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but nba is cool too even though its same concept
2021-04-21 00:58
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the esl didn't fully explain how is this going to affect other tournaments, maybe it was a good idea but the response from the fans completely shut it down before even happens
2021-04-21 02:10
nBa Is CoOl kosovo is serbia aswell
2021-04-21 02:14
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i dont car im bosnian aswell albania was just the first country when you create an account and i never bothered to change but nice try to tilt me and nba is still very cool
2021-04-21 02:17
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"nba is still very cool" radi takvih kao ti zazalim sto smo uopce dobili rat i sto nas nisu sve pobili dodji sebi, kakva super liga, o cemu ti seres klasican bosnjo koji nema 10 iqa al bali o svemu
2021-04-21 02:19
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bro im just saying that a super league would be very entertaining, it aint that serious hahahahahahahahaha
2021-04-21 02:20
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interesting to see the same teams play every week, and with what passion after that much money? and they can't even get relegated, you see how liverpool play now, you see the fight in the players to at least get top 4, they care what would you see if they knew they had nothing to lose, if it's the same coming last and first nothing, you'd get people strolling around the pitch
2021-04-21 02:22
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how is it the same coming last and first, first wins, last doesnt, same as the CL?
2021-04-21 02:22
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first wins, what does second do? nothing oh my days you're actually stupid UCL IS NOT A CLOSED FUCKING COMPETITION AND ANYONE CAN QUALIFY FOR IT, THIS SEASON LIVERPOOL ARE OUT AND HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'LL BE THERE NEXT SEASON, A TEAM LIKE WEST HAM CAN QUALIFY you dumb fucking retard
2021-04-21 02:25
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obviously the 2nd doesnt win, becasuse he loses? and what do I gain from west ham qualifying, every year there is some team that might make it to the quaters outta surprise but who cares, the last time a team that wasnt invited to the ESL won a CL was in 1995, so what value does that bring for a neutral spectator
2021-04-21 02:27
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this is just like these arab teams in Blast Qualifier a week ago, who actually cars about them, rather wouldve seen VP or someone like that who was missing out on blast qualifier play there
2021-04-21 02:28
"so what value does that bring for a neutral spectator" neutral spectator, that's all i needed to hear, you are a neutral spectator and your opinion on this does not matter, you are not a football fan, now go follow basketball and leave this sport for real men
2021-04-21 02:28
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bro as someone from bosnia u are aswell a neutral spectator, im a real madrid fan since childhood and also went there to watch some live games, but as someone not from there and not a local supporter there is not a valid reason to hate on the ESL from an entertainment point of view
2021-04-21 02:30
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there is, oh my days i actually hope another war happens and they kill us all just so degenerates like you cannot be born again
2021-04-21 02:30
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yeah im the degenerate trying to discuss an ongoing topic while you are just insulting and capsing things while belittling your fallen ancestors, great logic keep it up
2021-04-21 02:32
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go watch american sports and stay away from football, i just beg
2021-04-21 02:33
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ok football ultra from a 300 people village watching on panasonic
2021-04-21 02:35
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"ok football ultra from a 300 people village watching on panasonic" "while you are just insulting and capsing things while belittling your fallen ancestors, great logic keep it up" hypocrite
2021-04-21 02:35
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??? people dieing in a war and making jokes about a poor country isnt the same
2021-04-21 02:38
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aj mrs u picku materinu vise dosadnu
2021-04-21 02:39
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ahahahahahahaahha to recap, your arguments in like 10 messages was insulting me and west ham can qualify, wp brate
2021-04-21 02:40
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pa i nisi za boljega isk, mislim da tebe trebaju zivog ostavit, ti si veca steta ziv za nas nego mrtav
2021-04-21 02:41
but i think NBA is different. It still has more variety, because the good and bad teams switch up so often. That wont really happen in our football.
2021-04-21 02:35
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yeah but I think this is whats gonna get balanced out by everyone getting a stream of money in, so everyone technically gets in, i dont expect teams to suck for 10 years straight while earning like 300 billion annualy
2021-04-21 02:38
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Finland Kujis
Oh no high tier clubs facing each other once a year for confirmed entertainment? FOOTBALL IS FUCKING DEEEEEAD 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
2021-04-21 01:05
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its not dead but for sure less exciting
2021-04-21 01:10
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Finland Kujis
CREATED BY THE (POOR) STOLEN BY THE (RICH) 😭😭😭😭
2021-04-21 01:11
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South America _matiaasss
Flag checks out.
2021-04-21 01:13
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Finland Kujis
America checks out
2021-04-21 02:00
4/8
2021-04-21 01:10
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South America _matiaasss
seems like, sad. I wanted this league bc the CL format of 2024/25 is trash.
2021-04-21 01:12
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yeah i feel like the same, wouldve made football a lot more exciting
2021-04-21 01:13
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South America _matiaasss
yeah, but "football fans" are dumb.
2021-04-21 01:15
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"football fans" go suck your mum mate, watch egball and shut your mouth
2021-04-21 02:14
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South America _matiaasss
"football fan" checks out.
2021-04-21 07:06
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Turkey DebbSoray
Thank you British fans. That's mostly because of your effords. Real football lovers.
2021-04-21 01:31
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big up the UK
2021-04-21 02:13
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Hungary Pitsa31
Football wont be entertaining until they make the field smaller and divide the game time to three sections. Apparently ESL was planning atleast making games shorter
2021-04-21 01:45
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bait/8
2021-04-21 02:10
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i think that was a real thing perez talked about, because the big point of critisism for football in the past was that a lot of time is wasted and that the game isnt really played for 90 minutes
2021-04-21 03:02
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so the solution is to change a fundamental part of the game which has been the same for decades? nobody asked for it
2021-04-21 09:55
rest in piss
2021-04-21 02:13
entertaining for you maybe? stadiums are full even in the 4th tier of english football. the couch heroes that watch the champions league final don't matter as much as you think, otherwise they wouldn't need the super league. football lovers that watch every game of their favorite teams, buy tickets and merch are the ones that matter the most. the sole reason bad managed clubs like real madrid are desperate to create this bubble is to not have to manage their club properly and still be able to spend money while the "small clubs" die and become academies. it is a quick cash grab without future made so they can survive the pandemic. the format would be dead after 3,4 years when games like spurs vs milan become just as interesting as burnley vs sheffield to the casual couch viewer. actually, less interesting cuz there is no relegation or stimulations for clubs that don't fight for the title
2021-04-21 02:23
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Youre right for everything you said but you also forgot to mention the teams supposedly joining the Super league are also the teams who are PUSHED to the top (National leagues and CL)) for like 15 years. Point is, football is becoming a joke anyway. If anything CL would be more intresting for a couple years until new big fish come and start paying for spots in playoffs
2021-04-21 02:54
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no, they are not I love arsenal with all my heart but they are trash, i don't want to see my team play somewhere they don't deserve to. I want them to earn their spot. all italian teams are trash (it's relevant because teams like lyon, porto, shaktar etc already proved to be better than them) and only juventus was consistently at the top in their league, the other 2 were embarrassments for their names, especially ac milan. spanish teams are also really far from the top, especially barcelona as for the english teams, neither of them (except for city and chelsea) were consistently earning their ucl spot for the past 8 years. spurs was never a top4 club, they were only passing by for very few seasons and they are not even a big club. that's exactly the point, if you want to play ucl you need to win uel or end on a ucl spot in ur league. the past doesn't matter when we are talking about the CHAMPIONS league. this is exactly the problem, those frauds want to get paid for being trash. if you want to earn more money, invest some fucking money, otherwise be cool with the huge amounts you're stealing and don't get even more greedy. the name of the club doesn't matter, the history doesn't matter. what matters is to perform and if you don't perform you don't get to be called a super team
2021-04-21 03:05
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+1 actual good take, expected from arsenal fan
2021-04-21 03:09
but the english 4th tier doesnt lose their fans or anything like that, im all for supporting your local club and enjoying football live and stuff, but for someone whos not from a big footballing country and just enjoys seeing the best compete its the most entertaining way, noone is harming smaller club and their culture at all
2021-04-21 03:01
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wtf do you mean none is harming smaller clubs? every club out there plays to get to the first division and then fight for the european spots. clubs are not there to lose 38 games a season and get more money than teams like porto that would humiliate arsenal, spurs, milan, inter, juve and many other SUPER teams. juventus spurs is not a bigger game than porto-dynamo zagreb because porto and zagreb proved to be the better teams. i prefer to watch great games, not great names. i love the sport of football, not masturbating to club names also, how do you expect smaller clubs like leicester, west ham to ever win trophies and achieve great things if the top clubs start earning more than they would ever be able to just for having a different name. it's literally impossible for any other team to compete
2021-04-21 03:11
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but whats the chance of 4th tier clubs achieving a promotion to the first domestic leagues without all their good players leaving, and the dynamo porto thing would be more prevalent than before since these would be the leading CL teams, the super league would just seperate the top from the subtop, would be like the NBA and the EuroLeague in Basketball for example, the EuroLeague doesnt suffer from the existence of the NBA, but obviously top players gonna play for bigger franchises just as it happens in football
2021-04-21 03:23
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tf do nba and euroleague have to do with football? you know there are already asian cl, copa libertadores and all of those right? i am clearly talking to a moron. the dynamic between nba and euroleague is completely different to the one between SL and ucl. also, there are lots of examples i can give you of clubs promoting from the 4th division to the first so why not you stop asking stupid shit? if you dont understand competition and football then dont talk about football. football is about the fans, the community, not about watching big names clashing. ucl is not about big clubs making money, it's about the most deserving club being crowned as the best team in the world.
2021-04-21 03:46
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how do the NBA and EuroLeague differ between the ESL and CL excluding Geographical reasons
2021-04-21 03:49
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maybe because euroleague is pretty much superleague and nba is pretty much the same fucking shit? do you even know remotely how those competitions work? to play ucl all teams need to qualify every year. also, the geographical reasons are a huge factor🤦‍♂️ enough said, you are not worth the air you are breathing, let alone my attention. go on and be dumb somewhere else
2021-04-21 04:16
esl > blast
2021-04-21 02:46
It was good idea, but UEFA knows how to trigger little kids on twitter and other social media.
2021-04-21 03:03
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yeah lol they were just afraid of losing their cash cows and acted like they doing something for football, if it wouldnt have affected their pockets they wouldnt even bother
2021-04-21 03:11
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+1 This guy understands it.
2021-04-21 03:12
Without the UEFA's involvement whatsoever everyone was outraged in the first place. I really can't fathom why you're talking about the UEFA. They reacted by banning them from competitions, but everyone who is a fan was against the idea in the first place.. Have you even watched a full game of football in your life ever? Or just watch highlights at the most, in between scrolling instagram and not really caring? Because clearly you have no interest in the game.
2021-04-21 10:13
I like esl pro league tho :(.
2021-04-21 10:12
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Ukraine McSwell
People who say "boring to watch same teams playing" are not bored to watch same 8-10 teams playing UCL knockout rounds each season, and not give much damn about group stage where ManCity takes 15-18 points vs whoever.
2021-04-21 10:25
8/8
2021-04-21 10:25
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