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Ancient Hate
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United States Biggest_RUSH_Fan 
this is so annoying, I see all these threads / comments Hating on ancient, everyone is saying that it needs Fps optimization, There is going to be Optimization, The map is still virtually brand new, give it 3 months and there will be a update for it. I also guarantee 80% of people saying the map sucks played it once for the operation than never again, the map is not done yet, They will change the map to continue to make it more competitive, just like all the other new maps that were put into the pool (overpass, Vertigo, even mirage with the bench made the map play different. why are people mad that train was removed, nobody even played it, why are people in favor of a not diverse map pool? in my opinion this will make it more competitive and surprising. TL:DR shut up about ancient and actually try the map, it will be better in time.
2021-05-04 16:39
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#1
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Estonia crunchyroll
ancient is trash
2021-05-04 16:41
1 reply
Makes sense why they remove Train, honestly. Mirage and D2 can't be removed, because they are the most played maps, all over the world and even over 60% on Faceit and FPL. It could actually kill the game because of a sharp decline in audience, if those 2 got removed, regardless of how much hate they seem to get. They are the main maps in solo-queue and also in countries with smaller CS pro scene (huge part of CS community). Train is the 2nd-least played map in MM and Pro-matches, the lowest being Vertigo. But Vertigo is new and always reworked, so they won't remove it yet. Train is the same since 8 years, so they removed it. The addition of Ancient isn't bad, and it will surely go through major upgrades, just like Overpass. The colours, site physical aspects, features, etc, all will go through improvements and tweaks.
2021-05-04 20:12
#2
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United States 3manu3l
I tried the map and got like 10 fps cant really call it playable but looking at vids its pretty fun
2021-05-04 16:41
17 replies
what are you PC sepcs?
2021-05-04 16:43
16 replies
wtf how did i mispell so much
2021-05-04 16:44
#11
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United States 3manu3l
gen 2 i7 gt 525M 60hz display basically a bad 2012 laptop most maps i get 50-60 fps on average
2021-05-04 16:45
13 replies
thats your problem... :( sadge
2021-05-04 16:46
5 replies
#13
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United States 3manu3l
need an upgrade but looking at gpu prices at the moment, they´re out of reach
2021-05-04 16:47
4 replies
AMD is really good ngl, i have a ryzen 5 3600 and get 400 fps on most all maps
2021-05-04 16:48
2 replies
#20
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Canada JC_123
he said gpu mens
2021-05-04 16:52
1 reply
fuck i am not good reader
2021-05-04 16:53
#42
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Czech Republic Korenus
you will be lucky to get any GPU in the first place :D
2021-05-04 17:13
#17
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Europe Vallon4
How do you live in a first world country and are with a 2012 laptop?
2021-05-04 16:50
5 replies
#23
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United States 3manu3l
idk
2021-05-04 16:53
this and imagine calling the map unplayable with stone-age hardware
2021-05-04 16:53
#58
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Brazil VlNl
even me has a better pc, something is wrong 🤔
2021-05-04 17:23
2 replies
#59
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Yes but u are pro player, vini 😎👌👌👌
2021-05-04 17:25
1 reply
#60
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Brazil VlNl
uh mama 😎👌
2021-05-04 17:25
#43
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
How do you get so low fps, I have a worse PC (I think, don't really know stats that much) and get the regular 50-60
2021-05-04 17:14
intel pentium
2021-05-04 16:51
ugly map /thread
2021-05-04 16:41
1 reply
#5
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Estonia crunchyroll
yes /closed
2021-05-04 16:42
#4
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United Kingdom TwizzIr
I think the map is great. Personally I would've liked to have seen Dust 2 or Mirage get removed but Train was clearly the most unbalanced map so it makes sense. Ancient has a lot of potential however and I can see it becoming a lot of people's favourite map.
2021-05-04 16:42
2 replies
thats why u got no scene
2021-05-04 17:19
1 reply
#52
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United Kingdom TwizzIr
Now that's just uncalled for.
2021-05-04 17:21
it was the same with vert
2021-05-04 16:43
#8
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Czech Republic Iram
tried it now offline, tried to flash mid as t going to A site alley, or whatever, hello this is skybox , no flash for you tried to flash b from mid, liek you flash mid from a or b on mirage, hello this is skybox, no flash for you ultimately shitty map its big and yet empty, csgo volvo, the map feels so shit like maps in valorant total void
2021-05-04 16:44
Ancient might suck rn but it might be better in the future. Very ct sided map the 3 times I played it on ct it was 11-4 12-3 11-4
2021-05-04 16:44
#14
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United States PP_Bizon
+1 most people probably played it due to the missions where everybody played it like a casual map because it wasn't an 'important' map, thus probably gave no feedback or cared about it.
2021-05-04 16:48
I've actually tried the map and here are my final thoughts: - Ancient is more CT sided than 2016 Nuke (the timings favor the CTs massively) - the fps is horrible on it - pretty much a pay2win map, green CT models will have a huge advantage on Ancient - rotations take too much time - too much distracting background noise - feels like a scuffed CT sided D2, the layout is pretty identical, nothing new or original - too many places/corners that need to be cleared, as many people have pointed out already - it feels like a V-word map - the map is huge, it's skybox limits utility usage - too many dark places where visibility is awful - ... I could go on even further as to why Ancient is an awful, awful fucking map and why Train is so much better. Also, you are talking about making the map pool "more diverse", yet you think removing Train instead of Mirage/Dust2/Vertigo is the right decision. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
2021-05-04 16:50
21 replies
train is the least played map, why would they bother to keep it if very few teams play it, Most the "issues" listed are very simple fixes, hopefully valve can realize they are simple
2021-05-04 16:51
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No it isn't, Vertigo is the least played map on HLTV, it was in 2020 and still is in 2021. (hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2021-01-01..) (hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2020-01-01..) It's not the least played map on Faceit either, as someone who has nearly 2000 matches on Faceit and 90+% of them are soloQ where I wasn't the captain, I have the following map stats: imgur.com/a/YIQkttj (as you can see Train is nowhere near being the least played map in PUGS either, maybe at a lower level but as someone who's been 3k+ elo for over a year now I can safely say that's not the case at this level) How come those issues have "very simple fixes"? A) "- Ancient is more CT sided than 2016 Nuke (the timings favor the CTs massively)" - they would need to change the layout of the map completely B) "- the fps is horrible on it" - valve isn't great at optimizing C) "- pretty much a pay2win map, green CT models will have a huge advantage on Ancient" - they would have to remove most of the details on the map (which would make the map EXTREMELY boring) or change the theme of the map (lol) D) "- rotations take too much time" - same as in A) "- too much distracting background noise" - this one is an easy fix, fair enough "- feels like a scuffed CT sided D2, the layout is pretty identical, nothing new or original" - same as in A) "- too many places/corners that need to be cleared, as many people have pointed out already - it feels like a V-word map" - same as in A) "- the map is huge, it's skybox limits utility usage" - same as in A), altho the skybox shouldn't be hard to fix "- too many dark places where visibility is awful" - a pretty simple fix too ?
2021-05-04 16:58
#25
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Canada JC_123
ok so it has all the issues of Cache except its new and fresh and will potentially (definitely) improve. Got it!
2021-05-04 16:54
5 replies
#32 how exactly do they plan on fixing most of the issues?
2021-05-04 16:59
4 replies
#61
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Canada JC_123
its really not too bad and valve has done it many times before. Go look at how Nuke and Overpass went from pretty bad to the two best maps in the entire game.
2021-05-04 17:42
3 replies
It's pretty bad if you ask me. It took years before Nuke & Overpass became this good.
2021-05-04 20:02
2 replies
#71
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Canada JC_123
its a HELLLLL of a lot better than the early versions of Nuke and Overpass man just small tweaks and its a top 3-4 map EZ
2021-05-04 20:15
1 reply
I explained in #32 why those fixes won't be easy...
2021-05-04 20:47
All your points are subjective/based on anedoctal evidence, or are easily fixed. Your only argument I can get behind is the last one. Maps like Mirage/Dust2/Cache/Ancient and even Vertigo to some extent use the "4 square" layout: 1 lane to bomb A, 1 lane to bomb B and a middle lane with access to both bombs. At least Vertigo has the gimmick of being 2 floors, which makes sound more relevant than any other map. Maps like train, nuke and overpass have a more unique layout.
2021-05-04 16:58
12 replies
How come? I've tested the timings - they favor the CTs by far. The rest are just pure facts if you load up the map lol. I also don't see how they are "easily fixed", check #32. I'm just sad because Train was an amazing map imo, it was very unique and very interesting to watch too. I'm so tired of Mirage/Dust2/Vertigo... Ancient is just a reskinned Dust2 ffs +1
2021-05-04 17:03
11 replies
"easily Fixed Problems" - too much distracting background noise turn down the ambient volume... - too many dark places where visibility is awful Brighten map - too many places/corners that need to be cleared, as many people have pointed out already - it feels like a V-word map Learn to check the corners like EVERY OTHER MAP also why did you +1 a comment saying "All your points are subjective/based on anedoctal evidence, or are easily fixed."
2021-05-04 17:10
10 replies
also : - the map is huge, it's skybox limits utility usage raise skybox
2021-05-04 17:11
4 replies
but... I literally said that this issue can be EASILY FIXED in #32? the map being huge on the other hand cannot be EASILY fixed
2021-05-04 17:15
3 replies
the map isnt huge, have you ever had to rotate from playground on Ovp to B site?
2021-05-04 17:19
2 replies
the map isnt huge, have you ever had to rotate from T spawn plat where the car & football ball are on Dust2 to Goose?
2021-05-04 17:21
1 reply
right!
2021-05-04 17:21
but... I literally said that those issues are EASILY FIXED in #32? you ignored every other issue that I said WOULD NOT be EASILY fixed... 0/8 "Learn to check the corners like EVERY OTHER MAP" no other map has this many corners and cubbies that need to be checked, literally everyone pointed this out already lmfao The "+1" was my response to "Maps like train, nuke and overpass have a more unique layout.", still 0/8
2021-05-04 17:14
4 replies
every map literally has places to hide, Inferno b, there are at least 5 places to just sit in a corner, I really feel like you haven't played much CS recently if you don't realize that. also there is no #32
2021-05-04 17:18
3 replies
2021-05-04 17:22
2 replies
very nice argument! Hope you have wonderful day Mr. Indonesian!
2021-05-04 17:22
1 reply
I'm not gonna bother responding with something meaningful to an obvious baiter lol
2021-05-04 17:23
#21
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Canada JC_123
its good, better than Train, Dust II, Mirage, Cache but probably worse than the rest.
2021-05-04 16:52
People saying is thrash probably played 1 or 2 matches on it, and got stomped. So its easier to blame the map than admiting they suck. Also these people have 0 understanding of mapping.
2021-05-04 16:54
1 reply
exactly, 40 year old men complaining ab it is sad :(
2021-05-04 16:55
instead of throwing in a shit map into the pool that doesn't run on pc's if u wanna be competitive level why not put in a map we all know and which are known to the pros like cache cache had great pro games ancient has fps issues ===> ancient it is ofc kek
2021-05-04 16:55
2 replies
everyone complains About Cache fps???
2021-05-04 16:58
#46
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Cache was stale when it got out. It didn't Change anything but the visuals. No pros wanted it back, also fps on new cache aren't great either
2021-05-04 17:16
I like this swap, Ancient isnt even that bad once you play it a few times and learn the basics of the map. And train sucks. Besides it will be very nice to see pro teams on ancient
2021-05-04 16:56
2 replies
it will be perma ban for the first half year so u dont see this map
2021-05-04 17:04
1 reply
Im sure some teams will play it like we saw with vertigo, some teams will tryhard it and become good at it giving them a permanent advantage in map veto
2021-05-04 17:09
1.6 astec > ancient
2021-05-04 17:02
1 reply
could just have fixed aztec instead of making a brand new shitmap
2021-05-04 19:12
train and inf are my favourite maps...delete.but vertigo still playing?/>>??>?>,/,/
2021-05-04 17:04
The only thing it needs fixing is the skybox. I’m fine with everything else, maybe add or close some new positions on the map but generally everything is already great.
2021-05-04 17:12
They should've kept Abbaye, i loved that map -Ancient +Abbaye
2021-05-04 17:20
I get drops to 20 when other maps run at 150-200 fps
2021-05-04 17:21
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#62
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Canada JC_123
name checks out!
2021-05-04 19:06
I believe Valve adding new maps to the competitive map pool is healthy both for the game and for the esports scene. Kinda annoying when people say Valve doesn't care about the game and then they complain whenever they actually try something new. Maybe there were better choices for this than Ancient, however. That's fair, but hopefully play testing by regular players and pro players in competitve games can help Valve develop the map into something great. I'm hopeful!
2021-05-04 20:05
is it because ancient is made of stone?
2021-05-04 20:10
The problem is Ancient is coming to be a pern ban for 99% of the teams...different of vertigo that people already new basically how to play
2021-05-04 20:11
So true, I think it can improve and it will, just like old vertigo got better. It will also make pro play really good and interesting. I wish they swapped d2 or mirage tho, cause I love train.
2021-05-04 20:12
Yeah I mean when Vertigo was in the map pool everyone hated it and look where it is now. When Overpass was first introduced in the game everyone hated it. Now look at it. I'm sure people will grow to like Ancient in the future
2021-05-04 20:15
only time will tell
2021-05-04 20:16
I liked the map when playing it, a bit dark in some parts but overall much better than train. Remember people always hate changes at first
2021-05-04 20:17
I don't mind the change of map, I just don't like how they removed train over other maps.
2021-05-04 20:49
Few people want to kill CS more than Valve.
2021-05-04 20:52
The way the map was builded... i don't see him in a competitive game, seems like a DM map.
2021-05-04 20:52
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