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spunj's take on ancient is dumb
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Russia DELUSIONAL_DIG_FAN 
-ancient is trash -train was a good map -just because mm players didn't play it doesn't mean it should be removed from pro play -valve doesn't listen to the community anyway
2021-05-04 23:23
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#3
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United States EZ4Bard
why dumb, it is true
2021-05-04 23:25
Train is the worst map to watch and in fact many pro players hate it because there isn't much you can do except executes, there are no neutral zones to take.
2021-05-04 23:25
8 replies
you can’t take space as a CT side through aggression anywhere on Train except maybe T main which is very rare
2021-05-05 00:55
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#55
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Slovakia depresia
What are you talking about ? Train is CT agression heaven
2021-05-05 07:44
5 replies
Train is The only map T's MUST play Like a CT holding positions until they execute, or CT just push and stack on info
2021-05-05 09:19
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#81
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Slovakia depresia
I disagree , you can play however you want
2021-05-05 11:41
2 replies
You can play however you want, but when you want to play for a win, you must hold your position until pushing
2021-05-05 11:42
1 reply
Nope
2021-05-06 11:24
#103
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Brazil Necro_Spa
thats something that happens every map lol CTs can always push for info and stack if a T doesnt hold positions until the execute
2021-05-05 17:56
Train is arguably the best Map to watch because it's the hardest to master. It's tactics galore. Both t's and CT's can play slow/fast. All sites can be approached differently and smokes aren't so overpowered the make the AWP useless but not so weak it's AWP galore. Pro players that cry about train pick Mirage and D2 because they prefer to play Deathmatch
2021-05-05 22:35
train was the best tactical map and watching pro games on it was usually good. would have been better off removing a map like d2 which is just an aim map and a shit watching exprience as its just a A split or a long push and the random mid split. They will fix ancient tho just like all the other past maps. rn tho ancient is fucking horrid
2021-05-04 23:25
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#8
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Argentina nokkiii
why release something horrid? VALVE is a multibillion dollar company. Im sure they can afford to spend a couple grand paying some good map designers, pro players, and release a map.
2021-05-04 23:29
10 replies
how can you make it good without the pro players playing it? I mean overpass, vertigo, train, cobble, inferno all got significantly improved after reworks and some were released as shitholes that after pros and the general public played it they became classics (overpass). you can have the most genius designer ever, but you need millions to play the map first to really make it perfect. + the pro players to take the map seriously.
2021-05-04 23:39
9 replies
+1 and this 1st version of ancient looks better than the 1st version of all those maps at least from what i've seen in pugs, need to see pros playing it though.
2021-05-05 00:25
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#26
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United States Shr3y
Bro this is so fucking ct sided
2021-05-05 00:27
2 replies
yes it is! but still it looks better than the other 1st versions, at least from what i remember. From my point of view this map has a great potential and like every new map this one just needs to be polished and the fastest way to get better is by playing it so valve gets the feedback from people and start to make those changes
2021-05-05 00:38
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#32
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United States Shr3y
I agree
2021-05-05 00:40
#33
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Argentina nokkiii
Thats why u have people test the map before releasing it. Imagine just being lazy and forcing players to play a shit map just to make it better... bruh
2021-05-05 00:42
3 replies
I mean they had Ancient there in the map pool for ages, but no one plays it until its in the map pool. more realistically (which is impossible for valve standards) is to actually speak to pros and have some info in the beginning so it comes in a better state than it is.
2021-05-05 00:44
Low iq take. Map changes are made to remove op metas. Which only gets figured out in top tier competitive play
2021-05-05 15:19
Valve gave us 6 whole months for us to try out ancient and provide feedback... and what did we do? nothing! If the community had been more responsive about valve's new project, maybe the map would be in better shape now when they put it in the pool.
2021-05-05 19:16
Sure, but when you release it, you should believe that it works until someone points the contrary. If you release it knowing is already bad, it has no sense.
2021-05-05 18:00
Volvo use stats a lot.... train isn’t played = train is out. Simple. Only when the map is removed everyone likes it! No one plays it!!!
2021-05-05 00:23
6 replies
but that wasnt my point... It is a tactical map and playing as a team is a way better experience than playing with randoms when having 0 coordination. thats why you dont balance for mm you balance for the pro players.
2021-05-05 00:24
5 replies
Pros also don’t play it
2021-05-05 00:28
4 replies
idk why you cant connect my two comments, but my point is that train is a good map to watch and requires coordination to be good to watch + play. both I think SK, VP (maybe i am wrong), and AST had huge win streaks on that map for a good reason. I guess we are better off with having a WIP map that may just turn into another aim map that we didnt need.
2021-05-05 00:35
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#62
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Romania Xyst
I don't know about vp and sk, but Astralis was good on it because a lot of teams didn't really wanted to play it.
2021-05-05 09:01
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SK 100% were beasts on it as Luminosity in 2016 and 2017. AST similarly. that is literally becuase astralis were so much better tactically and team play wise than any other team (just like SK). With VP I may be wrong tho
2021-05-05 14:16
It's not going to be aim map because it has short/mid distance fights. Btw it's too bad for pro since there's a lot of entries for every site and is really hard to cover unless CT's push hard every round to take more map control, plus there's almlst no place to hide on both bomb sites, maybe they will fix it, but Anubis looks better to me as a base to improve.
2021-05-05 18:04
#35
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Austria Grundz
"its just a A split or a long push and the random mid split" LMAO true...
2021-05-05 00:42
I don't always agree with you but +1 on this one. D2 is such an shit map to play on if you use strats > aim, I would've really liked to see D2 reworked to the point where strats are useful on this map again. But I can also see why Train went out because it's just not played that much to the point where it's neglected in play. *Although indeed the tactical play on this map is insane. Let's just hope pro's find their ways on Ancient, because I think it can be an very, VERY interesting map to see them play on.
2021-05-05 08:05
1 reply
Ancient will be quite garbage until like June or July I bet.
2021-05-05 14:13
+1
2021-05-05 11:42
Interesting.. i never analized the maps considering this 'neutral/not neutral' areas thing you mentioned. And, to the person that shat on Dust2 saying it's not that fun to watch, i totally agree.
2021-05-05 19:34
#7
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Turkey TheKaiser
good arguments
2021-05-04 23:27
#9
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Finland eIe
So is this your take or SPUNJ's?
2021-05-04 23:30
2 replies
its his take, arguing with spunJ's. spunj went on a twitter rant about how retarded the csgo community has acted about the whole thing
2021-05-05 19:18
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#120
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Finland eIe
I see
2021-05-05 19:19
train was the only map in the whole pool that was very ct sided there's no other map in the pool that has a one sided half as train ct side
2021-05-04 23:33
13 replies
nuke and vertigo?
2021-05-05 00:04
12 replies
#20
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Latvia CVJMZ
Nuke and ct side, im outa here
2021-05-05 00:09
11 replies
it is tho, maybe not as much as it used to but still.
2021-05-05 07:32
10 replies
#86
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Latvia CVJMZ
Its from community view or what? For me every map which community thinks are "Hard CT sided" , its T sided for me, Vertigo, Nuke, Train, all of these maps are very good on T side if you know how to abuse taimings, rotations + economy of T top of that, but thats my opinion :)
2021-05-05 11:50
9 replies
All maps are t sided in low elo)) When you get to around 2700+ elo people actually know how to play properly.
2021-05-05 14:20
what you are saying is if you play perfect t side and make no mistakes the map is t sided? what are you even saying. besides, statistics prove my point anyway
2021-05-05 15:36
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#97
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Latvia CVJMZ
I will not argue about this shit which my experience proved all these years that you can easily play hardest maps on T side better than CT but maybe thats me, who knows how to do it. And i always say this - If you can dominate T side(for example i always want start T side not depending on map) you will do it 2x better on CT. And what statistics? Poor noob matchmaking community stats where people sometimes dont understand what game they are playing? Bhawa, man cs is the easiest game ever but not many people can play it. End of story
2021-05-05 15:54
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ooohh your experience as le matchmaking player? hmm good shit not like taking the round win percent of pro matches proves anything when we got you. thanks for your service helped us a lot. smashing argument "i always want start T side not depending on map) you will do it 2x better on CT" not like this proves that ct side is the stronger side on ((((most)))) maps. but ok you big wise man and no longer want to argue about something where you are clearly in the wrong.
2021-05-05 17:52
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#135
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Latvia CVJMZ
you are clearly idiot for sure with 0 sense in your own terms. Expected from Austria with no good tier players. Why you even mention mm? im not touching that shit anyway. And no that proves you can clearly play T side easy as CT side but some newbs are better just holding corner not making an attack on bombsite so yeah, keep crying when your team captain picks T side on faceit dumbshit. Sad we have similar flags, but yeah still dumb. Just dont answer me and go play some Valo
2021-05-05 21:53
4 replies
you have no valid argument so you attack my country and my countries people. you have nothing to show for your claim except your "experience". behave yourself you child
2021-05-05 22:07
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#138
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Latvia CVJMZ
Yes, maybe im child in your eyes and was mean to you. The thing is i really dont hate my life and i dont rage on things daily basis but one thing triggers me a lot - when there are people in community who have zero knowledge and top of that cry that some map are T or CT sided. This game isnt about sides but i will end here, im tired from all of this, time to enjoy free time after work.
2021-05-05 22:29
2 replies
you assume too much. go enjoy your free time you fool
2021-05-05 22:37
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#143
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Latvia CVJMZ
hahaha nice one sit down big boy, trust me i will.
2021-05-05 22:40
and pros will give feedback so it will improve just like ovp
2021-05-04 23:49
2 replies
yeah.. people need to chill, nobody wants CS to die. Not Valve, not SPUNJ not anyone. And by that means sometimes u remove classic stuff, "stagnating dead moth" from a game, just to move forward. Maybe in 5 years CS has none of the "classic" maps we have now, and i think that would be crazy (as in a good way) cuz CS is evolving
2021-05-04 23:53
1 reply
Remove core map and add garbage ok
2021-05-05 07:41
Pros don’t play it a lot either, least played map.......
2021-05-04 23:49
At least we now have some kind of new map to watch after 2 years, the map pool was pretty stale. Ancient will surely get updated more (just like it was with current update), it's an interesting change instead to add a map like cache/cobble.
2021-05-05 00:13
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#29
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Brazil 2de
+1 from a viewer pov this is exciting af, im curious to see wich teams will adopt it first
2021-05-05 00:35
The map is stupid and there are many places where you can go that are blocked with invisible walls. Terrible design.
2021-05-05 07:40
1 reply
#126
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Netherlands staticNL
Most maps Valve introduces start off like that. We can't/won't playtest if Valve doesn't force us to and the map can only improve after extensive playtesting.
2021-05-05 19:24
#125
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Netherlands staticNL
+1
2021-05-05 19:24
train was one of my favourite maps since it was so hard to play at first, but now i ez rekt scrubz on it and feelsgoodman
2021-05-05 00:42
we should have new maps every year just like R6 .
2021-05-05 00:50
#42
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African Union mikecool
I liked train tbh no idea why it gets hate. It'll be interesting to see how everyone adapts to playing Ancient in the pro scene.
2021-05-05 00:51
What was his take? Link? Anything? Reportado
2021-05-05 01:06
1 reply
hltv confirmed somewhere in there
2021-05-05 07:39
Vitality and liquid OP now. Their perma ban is removed. Train is the best map for s1mple, statistically. #1 zywoo again x3 lol rip simple hopes and dreams.
2021-05-05 01:18
2 replies
train was s1mple's 3rd least played map, and he still has a 1.34 rating so far 2021 nt baiter
2021-05-05 19:20
1 reply
His statistically best map. Not most played. I don't wanna get 10 year ban, American
2021-05-05 20:49
Imagine CS:GO whiners as SWAT "Nooo I can't raid that bungalow I haven't been in there 1000 times yet"
2021-05-05 01:20
all these hltv confirmed analysts who have either never been pro players or were shit ones and now think very highly of themselves. They were going on and on about the tactical aspect of the game and how it is underappreciated and no one treats cs like chess etc. There are only 2 minutes in a round. You can't play purely based on tactics, you also have to kill. Very delusional
2021-05-05 07:39
1 reply
+1
2021-05-05 09:08
That's the opposite of his take...
2021-05-05 07:41
train is a great map. probably the most team dependent with nuke.
2021-05-05 07:54
#57
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France Amamiya
If it evolves in a good way. It could be great, like Overpass. We can't simply play d2 for another ten years
2021-05-05 07:58
#63
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Denmark |Metric|
We should have new maps, it makes playing and watching better. Although I agree there are far better maps to add than ancient, for example Anubis or engage are far better choices, don't understand why ancient of all maps got added just because valve made it? Ancient looks very basic with nothing much interesting going on.
2021-05-05 09:06
2 replies
anubis maybe... engage? what are you on shitty optimization and an extremely annoying layout make it probably the least competitively viable community map we've ever had in this game.
2021-05-05 19:21
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#128
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Denmark |Metric|
I found engage to be interesting lol but I will agree that A site is very stupid
2021-05-05 19:34
Remove D2, idc what map is added. This fucking map needs to go, most boring shit there is. Also, why is Valve changing the map pool during major qualifications.
2021-05-05 09:09
2 replies
the RMR events are keeping train. this map is not the most boring shit there is, you haven't watched a single pro game on it and I assume you haven't even tried to learn it/spend more than 2 games on it. 0/8 clearly just talking shit for the sake of it
2021-05-05 19:22
1 reply
Dust 2 has had plenty of pro matches on it, wtf are you on mate?
2021-05-05 22:37
The Pro scene is not the whole community. Making Changes for the majority is smart
2021-05-05 09:09
1 reply
even the pro scene barely plays train anyway
2021-05-05 19:23
#68
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Asia loveall
People crying as usual after every update.
2021-05-05 09:15
So he is just crying and feeding the circlejerk as always. expected.
2021-05-05 09:20
1 reply
No
2021-05-05 09:33
#76
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Germany Golllum
What? This guy is spreading lie! Spunj said instead of shitting on valve, go play the map and help them to improve it. REPORTED!
2021-05-05 09:36
1 reply
careful he has framed his words smartly, he says spunj's take on ancient is dumb and then explains why he thinks so.
2021-05-05 11:46
Truth is: Train is unbalanced at the best levels of play Valve tries to rework it, fails miserably changes the map to hide failure
2021-05-05 11:47
#88
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Lithuania ElephantX
For me ancient is bad because of the skybox, thats it
2021-05-05 14:06
Bring back cobble, that the only thing that matters. One of the best entertaining map to watch.
2021-05-05 14:21
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#98
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Slovakia Pr0pheT2
+1 but old cobble not the new shit
2021-05-05 15:57
1 reply
Yes and add Prodigy
2021-05-05 19:11
No one played cobblestone, and no one liked it. Not pros, not mm players. Valve regards it as a failed map, it's never coming back
2021-05-05 19:40
#95
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Australia opzy
Maps will never become good without being in active duty
2021-05-05 15:22
#99
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Slovakia Pr0pheT2
I am for a new map, but ancient reminds me of Valulrant maps, needs changes imo. As for Train, I liked the map but unless u play with realy good teammates it is a clusterfuck.
2021-05-05 16:07
#100
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
ok dumbass, if nobody played it, pros didn't pick it, it was the least picked part from vertigo, and was stale af, didn't really have nothing new to add. Yes it was a good map, but it didn't have nothing new, and had obody playing it. Quit being a bitch a play the map if you want to
2021-05-05 16:14
#102
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CIS sasha1608
Ancient is good map, I just don't get it, why you can't replace it on mirage, I even bought premium acc on faceit in order to prevent playing this shithole :) I am playing all maps except for the mirage and inferno, I am very happy person
2021-05-05 17:56
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#109
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Australia Ohnorepo
Because Train still has issues but Mirage doesn't need a rework. It's already generally regarded as the most balanced map.
2021-05-05 18:10
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#110
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CIS sasha1608
idk mate, Train was my best map, I loved it(((
2021-05-05 18:12
4 replies
Yeah and what changes now for you? Its not like it gets removed from csgo. And faceit probably keeps it in.
2021-05-05 18:19
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#115
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CIS sasha1608
I will have a lack of motivation to play it, because PRO players won't play it, it's just mental aspect I guess
2021-05-05 18:21
2 replies
You can always challenge yourself to learn a new map man. If you don't play it now when nobody knows how to play it, you will most likely never play it in future when everyone becomes good on it.
2021-05-06 09:02
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#150
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CIS sasha1608
I like ancient and I already learnt some nades, what I am telling is - every human being is bored by playing the mirage. THat's disgusting map
2021-05-06 14:46
His takes make so much sense lmao
2021-05-05 18:02
#107
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Hong Kong DG84
classic 1.6 map replaced by wana be aztec map xDD
2021-05-05 18:06
#108
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Australia Ohnorepo
-just because mm players didn't play it doesn't mean it should be removed from pro play Apparently pro players didn't play it either.
2021-05-05 18:09
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#111
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CIS sasha1608
try to find pro teams from top 10 that don't practice train
2021-05-05 18:13
#112
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CIS sasha1608
only Liquid and G2 from top 10 are not playing train just so you know
2021-05-05 18:14
4 replies
G2 permaban is Overpass
2021-05-05 19:31
1 reply
#132
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CIS sasha1608
thats what I typed
2021-05-05 20:27
#144
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Australia Ohnorepo
I didn't mean it's never played. Obviously. It's the least played.
2021-05-06 08:49
1 reply
#148
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CIS sasha1608
8 teams from top 10 are playing it :DDDDD
2021-05-06 14:44
Just change site names please. B to the left and A to the right (from t spawn point of view). Its so annoying that everyone miss call the site name, including me.
2021-05-05 18:21
nobody played train, not pros, not mm players, that's the problem personally I think ancient has a lot of cool ideas. I'm excited af to see it evolve as a map. There are a few glaring issues -- the entire a site is fucking dumb, but it's hard to get good data on the map when no one is willing to play it
2021-05-05 19:36
For me train is the worst map of all to play in mm but its fun to watch comp. I wish that they would remove vertigo because it is the worst comp map because a site is the only viable site. I am looking forward to playing ancient mm
2021-05-05 20:31
BRING BACK COBBLE!!!!
2021-05-05 21:56
Ancient looks good and promising in my opinion Dunno why so many people hating this map already
2021-05-05 22:37
It was logical since train was the least balanced map. Begin ct side and have a 10-5 lead on t.. But angient will also be horribly ct sided because ct if they push with nades can literally hold mid and B site like its B site to outside b on dust 2...
2021-05-06 09:05
#149
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Finland SKESJAK
+1
2021-05-06 14:45
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