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GabeN on CS:GO anti-cheat - AI is coming
South Africa LustedSilli - 
Let me be the first to say, I, for one, welcome our AI overlords. << --- Simpsons reference btw. So speaking to a school in New Zealand, Gabe GabeN Newell reported said the CS:GO cheating problem is one of the easier ones to fix: "anti-cheat in Counter-Strike is one of the easier problems" When asked about the cheating problem in CS:GO, GabeN mentioned AI as a solution: "A lot of the work we’re going to be doing is going to be based on AI which is back to solving the problem of making sure that people are behaving like humans...that turns out to be a pretty trackable thing in development." The videos of the Q&A have since been taken down, but there's a report (and others) about the topic: Thoughts on AI as a solution to cheating?
2021-05-13 09:09
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Brazil Gudrum
They took the videos down because Gaben sounds like a fucking whale character. Talks so sloooooooow.
2021-05-13 09:11
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Come now, don't speak of GabeN in such a manner
2021-05-13 09:12
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puTa | 
Brazil Gudrum
Sorry mens)) Been playing CS for more than 20 years and the fact we still have to deal with hackers everywhere just tilts me. Anyway, AI seems like a really good way to approach it.
2021-05-13 09:16
If it can work with minimal false positives then the amount of spinbotting, obvious wall and aim cheats could potentially drop off massively. I feel like it's just not possible to remove 100% all cheats though. So could be really big improvement though. I am looking forward to a huge vac wave, haven't had one in a while.
2021-05-13 09:13
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Just remove 90%. Should be enough. And there's always room for improvement.
2021-05-13 09:18
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2021-05-13 12:01 They were crying on this subreddit about the huge VAC wave lmao, how it cost them tons of money, retards.
2021-05-13 12:02
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the ones crying are absolute retards, everyone who cheats should fully expect to lose their accounts. there have been closet cheaters with skins that i knew, and they got so fkn tilted when they got banned by overwatch hahaha. one had a lv 930 steam
2021-05-13 12:12
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"i cheat on my main cuz im smart"
2021-05-13 12:33
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ye, theyre being ironic but sometimes they make stupid mistakes and invest a lot of money, and only realise it when they get banned. so they regret it and cry
2021-05-13 12:36
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Like Woro2k :^) Only a matter of time for his ban too.
2021-05-13 13:20
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Not gonna happen
2021-05-14 08:46
Isn't it so that they get banned on their main if somehow their main is linked to the alt they cheat on?
2021-05-13 15:30
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Yes, that's what happens.
2021-05-14 08:43
Wow never knw all these losers have dedicated sub reddit.. wish valve can co operate with reddit n get their mails n ban all of their accs though not gonna happen
2021-05-13 12:38
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"i don't like it therefore please ban it" ))
2021-05-13 12:43
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Austria l3v1z
2021-05-13 15:37
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If you shut out a community, you would not be able to learn information about them. Know your enemy. These forums on Reddit are useful to know whether Overwatch or VAC are actually working. If you shut out any community and fix on a narrow minded perspective, you will never learn things in life. Knowledge is power my friend.
2021-05-13 16:07
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Finland cuntycorn
He's probably talking about banning their csgo accs, not reddit.
2021-05-14 08:45
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lol that wouldn't make sense either, like every guy in csgo that says "i'm hacking" should get banned
2021-05-14 12:23
8 more years and AI can answer their stupid questions. 40 years and AI can detect 20% of spinbotters.
2021-05-13 09:14
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+1 xaxaaxaxaxaxa
2021-05-13 15:31
2021-05-14 08:47
It's really easy for Gaben but they don't want to put it in because 90% of pros would be banned
2021-05-13 09:14
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2021-05-13 15:32
Mod of r/vacsucks I see
2021-05-13 16:16
2021-05-14 12:30
Ukraine Najara
I can rekt this AI 1 vs 1 mid on SF
2021-05-13 09:15
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no :/ only arteezy can kill
2021-05-13 15:33
so they will finally be able to ban spinbotters? WOW such wow, gaben big brain
2021-05-13 09:15
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Just maybe, and probably only some % of them
2021-05-14 08:48
It will never work
2021-05-13 09:16
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it will work, AI can detect if the player is fragging 40 kills alone, meanwhile his teammates got only less than 10 kills and so on. They can even record the time of player spinning and so on gg for spinbotters
2021-05-13 12:33
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2021-05-13 14:48
Cheaters will have less obvious cheats then and so what? It doesnt change anything
2021-05-14 08:50
Might and near future...doubt it. Just a claim to look like the good guy he wants to be
2021-05-13 09:17
Pakistan LoOuU2
Gabe is baiting , he even said they got updates planned for TF2 and i doubt that even more But what an absolute chad Gabe is. Releasing news and upcoming updates in a interview to a New Zealand Schoo; instead of doing an E3 conference.
2021-05-13 09:19
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He can do whatever he pleases though.
2021-05-13 09:52
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Pakistan LoOuU2
that is very true. He has all the power !
2021-05-13 10:00
what a god
2021-05-13 09:20
Indonesia dannt
cant even autoban spinbots
2021-05-13 09:21
If you listen to the whole interview he said that in 8 years they will have an ai capable of taking down any cheat. Nice guys don’t worry the cheater problem will be gone soon, only 8 years left
2021-05-13 09:28
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puTa | 
Brazil Gudrum
you're fucking kidding me
2021-05-13 09:56
I never gave up on Gaben. I knew he would do something about the cheating problem in the game. Praise our Lord and savior! 🙏
2021-05-13 09:38
He was looking stylish sitting on that lonely chair on stage lol Haven't they been talking about VACnet for years now?
2021-05-13 09:41
then Im scared because of my inhuman reactions 😯😯😯
2021-05-13 09:59
Latvia doug_water
Praise GabeN
2021-05-13 10:00
AI is nice, but there are very simple solution already: 1. check if known (free) cheat programs is running on pc - very easy, just update DB daily 2. don't send WH info from valve game server, legit client does not need that, only wh players
2021-05-13 10:13
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1. they already do that, thats how vac works. 2. they again already do that, characters dont render far away, but they do when its closer. see: leaf "wh" on inferno balcony, a wh would not have shown the enemy in arches
2021-05-13 12:14
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1. He said daily, rn they are doing 100 times less of what they were doing even in CSS days 2. again, faceit does it 100 times better, so there is still a lot of room for improvement, what they do rn just made wallhacking slightly less COMFORTABLE lol
2021-05-13 12:21
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updating daily seems far fetched, i dont think any game does that
2021-05-13 12:37
Finland Faust_fSt
"anti-cheat in Counter-Strike is one of the easier problems" said every hacker ever.
2021-05-13 10:15
Denmark Toppii
The problem with companies talking in future tense is that it often means it's something they are planning to do but not actively doing. It can be a long time before we even hear about this again. Also, Valve time is a thing
2021-05-13 11:54
Brunei Not_StriK
Why did it take this damn long if it was an "easier one to fix". i cant even imagine what would the hard ones can be
2021-05-13 11:59
we are waiting for that ai anticheat since years broooooooooooooooo where is it? if its so ez
2021-05-13 12:01
He loves to troll community How AI will solve cheating problem? lol If i will spin around on spawn with my 10000 sens AI will recognize me as a cheater even if I don't have cheats, right?
2021-05-13 12:09
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Try shooting head with that sens. Of course you wouldn't get banned
2021-05-13 12:15
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Some people change sensitivity mid-game to troll teammates for example. Like "look I use spinbot" but they actually not. How AI will recognize who is cheater and who is troll? Maybe in future that will be possible but right now AI's seems too weak to analyze such processes
2021-05-13 12:24
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you're completely ignoring the shooting part. there has to be a very easy way for AI to detect the instantaneous flick from looking backwards and downwards from enemy, to shooting at said enemy. btw spinbotters have a specific pattern to their movement which should also be detected fairly easy compared to someone spazzing out.
2021-05-13 12:33
4 replies It's already created btw And It don't ever need to analyze how you shoot
2021-05-13 12:39
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I am talking about spinbotting, your article doesn't talk about it at all
2021-05-13 12:40
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Blatant Spinbotters can be easily banned without AI help Its shame on valve that such cases being sent on overwatch instead of insta-banning.
2021-05-13 12:57
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Yes, that was my point exactly bro, they should ban spinbotters at least after 2-3 matches of very clear cheating, and I don't think a normal player can replicate a spinbot
2021-05-13 13:01
big difference between that and bhopping and getting a very high accuracy in the very short time you flick to them from facing the floor to the enemy, repeatedly
2021-05-13 12:16
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Not all cheaters bhopping and hitting crazy flicks while spinning, only small portion of them...
2021-05-13 12:23
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If the AI could ever ban spinbotters automatically, I'm happy. There are lots of them. I don't care about the rest, the rest can go to Overwatch and get banned there, instead of it just being spinbotters that should already be auto banned.
2021-05-13 12:28
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2021-05-13 12:30 its a good thing overwatch cleaned up a lot of them recently, but it still stands that these should not even have to go to overwatch to get banned.
2021-05-13 12:34
Hahahahahahha (c) cheat developers
2021-05-13 12:16
I thought it already exists in the form of VACnet, which submits players to overwatch.
2021-05-13 12:20
2021-05-13 12:24
"8 years", nice GabeN, this is what I would expect from you. Develop a functional anti-cheat after the game is long dead. The amount of fucks give by Valve is so staggering when you realize that csgo has the potential to become the biggest esports that would result in their own fucking profit, and the community doesn't even demand that much from Valve to do, but Lord GabeN can't keep sucking off Dota2.
2021-05-13 12:26
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I think Trust Factor is a good step but it's poorly implemented. Imo Prime should be replaced by an approval rating . An approval rating of a player would be determined by players voting for him at the end of a match & the amt of times he gets reported in a single week . Only players with high exp can vote. To prevent exploitation, gaining exp should be made more difficult (no more afk farms). Only players with good approval rating & Trust Factor would match up. TF should be determined by OW bans, amt of times players abandon a match, steam level & hours in the game
2021-05-13 13:02
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These things could be implemented but I don't think it would drastically change anything from what is happening now. At this point the MM is so garbage that I would prefer a more invasive anti - cheat rather than having a Machine Learning algorithm work for 8 years.
2021-05-13 15:05
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GabeN said that the AI will need 8 years to learn how to deal with ANY cheating software. After year 1 and year 2 a LOT of cheating softwares that are hard to counter nowadays won't be a threat anymore.
2021-05-14 08:36
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Hard to believe from their past record. I do hope it works, but I don't have any faith in Valve to do so.
2021-05-14 10:18
VALVE uses DOTA2 and CSGO as their main money cows. They keep milking even though, the cow is long dead before
2021-05-13 12:37
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Atleast DOTA2 cow isn't homeless and is cared for, but CS cow has been shitted on since the birth and is only brought back to milk some more.
2021-05-13 15:06
Respectfully, I think you’re wrong. Steam profits are Valve’s main source of income and CS/DOTA are just small drops in the ocean. From a business point of view, it makes perfect sense to focus less on individual games then. It is a shame though.
2021-05-13 17:23
Poland bifiRNI
Attaché of monsieur Gabe Logan Newell speaking here u clowns! There are no cheaters in the game beacuse u can not cheat on VAC secured servers - that's an undisputable fact. Your main problem is of mental nature and is hidden deep in your subconcious. You have to throw away that thought from your head, that your opponent is cheating (in fact they just have better day). This single mental remodelling will vastly improve your game performance and grant you freedom(not to mention global elite rank).
2021-05-13 13:23
Gabe avoiding the issues as per usual which is why he is stuck in a different continent aswell
2021-05-13 13:31
But the AI would ban S1mple
2021-05-13 14:50
Remember how Gabe said months ago or less that he want to bring Valve to New Zeland like if it just traveling with his family to another country
2021-05-13 15:33
Sweden Nappev
Vacnet isnt good enough
2021-05-13 15:49
vacet suck!!
2021-05-13 15:51
Vac is incredibly worthless. From the last 10 games I played with my friend (who has a f2p account) had 8 cheaters in them. Sure, you can expect some cheaters I guess, so I reported them. Weeks later they still haven't been banned despite not even cheating subtly but blatantly spinbotting and wallhacking. Really makes me doubt that it is really that easy.
2021-05-13 16:13
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Atl in my f2p smurf I've been playing lot's of actual clean games by making an stack with only high level players(no lvl2 bullshit) and queueing in broken fang premier
2021-05-14 03:08
stop buying skins so valve will be forced to improve csgo.. eezz
2021-05-13 16:18
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Sorry, that's a terribad idea for me. I can't stop :(
2021-05-14 06:33
gaben cant afford a good dev, his plan is to bring more operations and chicken skins
2021-05-13 16:19
Volvo making lots of money ez
2021-05-13 16:20
Finland Artsa
Hope it works like Cerberus in rust.
2021-05-13 16:20
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Mexico MEXlCO
gaben doesnt care about any other game other than dota
2021-05-13 16:21
waited 7 years, whats 8 more D:
2021-05-14 02:57
"anti-cheat in Counter-Strike is one of the easier problems" AHAAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAH GABEN WHAT A CLOWN
2021-05-14 03:02
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No shit sherlock
2021-05-14 03:06
Tho i think closet cheaters will be pretty hard to detect those beyblades should be easily detected by any real ac,as long as it gets rid of those blatant spinners/aimlockers it will be great and it will even make the window for cheating tighter,like using an almost inexistent assist to not get banned and etc will make the game actually winnable against an hacker
2021-05-14 03:05
Sounds just like a new stupid idea from volvo. Ofc its not gonna work
2021-05-14 08:09
gaben loves saying bullshit. same with hf3 for a decade.
2021-05-14 08:11
"anti-cheat in Counter-Strike is one of the easier problems" - ok.
2021-05-14 08:12
I keep steam profiles of blatant hackers I face in my games to check if they are banned. 80% of them are not banned in a sample size of 40. Thats how bad VAC is xD
2021-05-14 08:17
To complete the bait he should also mention that half life 3 is comming
2021-05-14 08:52
Netherlands K1NGBOAZ
Rip s1mple since hes a god :(
2021-05-14 10:21
Easy to fix and after 4 years of having this AI there are plenty of spinbots who should be insta banned. So imagine who uses hacks in a subtle way. Like on and off wh. Or extremely subtle aimlock.
2021-05-14 10:23
So speaking to a school in New Zealand, Gabe GabeN Newell reported said the CS:GO cheating problem is one of the easier ones to fix: "anti-cheat in Counter-Strike is one of the easier problems" SO WHY NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT motherfriendly?
2021-05-14 10:31
Indonesia rerhea
gaben lazy ass retard
2021-05-14 10:56
easy to say but not gonna happen til you retire at 60. just look at source 2 bs, they keep teasing people but its been almost forever and nothing happened.
2021-05-14 10:59
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