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Treaty of Versailles and WW2
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Austria Brandenburg 
Could WW2 have been avoided if the Treaty of Versailles was actually fair towards germany?
2021-05-13 23:47
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Maybe, we will never know
2021-05-13 23:48
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No,Germany was bloodthirsty and wanted revenge for their fail wars.We can see nowadays how their 4th reich works
2021-05-14 13:16
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KEKW
2021-05-14 13:17
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Morocco bobby_j
it could have been avoided if a certain austrian lad was accepted into art school
2021-05-13 23:48
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could have been avoided if a certain other austrian lad wasnt assassinated/killed.
2021-05-13 23:50
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Morocco bobby_j
damn austria
2021-05-13 23:51
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agreed austria is to blame for all this
2021-05-13 23:53
well, could be avoided if some priest didn't save the first austrian you were talking about.
2021-05-14 00:11
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Norway Balta69
Serbia’s fault that all of this happened
2021-05-14 13:15
It could have been avoided if a certain austrian died before
2021-05-14 01:13
Or if his life wasn't spared in the trenches
2021-05-14 01:15
Imagine believing it was only because he wasn't accepted into art school
2021-05-14 05:15
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+1. shows some people dont know much about history
2021-05-14 10:18
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Morocco bobby_j
absolutely cringe my dude i cannot express in words how much you sound cringe right now. imagine feeling the need to flex your intellectual fortitude on a game forum and on a joke comment no less. god i hate this fucking website
2021-05-14 12:12
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"it could have been avoided if a certain austrian lad was accepted into art school" calls me cringe LOL
2021-05-14 13:11
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Sweden wyv0
it's austrian, not australian. CRINGE
2021-05-14 13:15
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what
2021-05-14 13:17
#90
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Morocco bobby_j
please shut the fuck up and go be a pseudo intellectual fuckwit on reddit
2021-05-14 13:16
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makes an unfunny joke and then can't handle being made fun of. go outside :)
2021-05-14 13:17
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Morocco bobby_j
what i said is so completely ludicrous that every human being with an iq of 60 would have interpreted it as a joke. but there you come with your shining armor to display your mental fortitude and save the day. flash fact for you goober the inability to detect satire is an indication of a low iq but i wouldn't expect much from an aussie
2021-05-14 13:20
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LOL so mad. I can tell you have a high IQ with all those big words you're using. dont make bad jokes and then people won't give you shit okay?
2021-05-14 13:22
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Morocco bobby_j
no one is giving me shit it's only you trying to sel-validate by downplaying other people online. if you don't have a phd and at least 5 papers published you should just shut the fuck up
2021-05-14 13:30
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im being baited now
2021-05-14 13:32
If it weren't Hitler it would of been somebody else in the Reich. Doesn't matter who
2021-05-14 05:26
Another war was unavoidable because of it but could have still happened because WW2 was more than this.
2021-05-13 23:49
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+1
2021-05-13 23:52
+1
2021-05-13 23:53
+1
2021-05-13 23:56
Good answer that pretty much covers the real reason behind WW2.
2021-05-14 10:15
+1
2021-05-14 10:18
No, US needed another war because British Empire was still on top so...ww2 was unavoidable
2021-05-13 23:50
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Finland Ghrale
US did not even want to go into war at the time. Isolationist policy much? Thanks to WW2 US became world police
2021-05-14 12:14
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That just my opinion based on my historical knowledge Why go to war when u can sell weapons to your allies ? US rejected Versailles treaty and New York banks played major role in financing German economy after ww1, US helped Soviets with industrialization as well. See where this is going ? US pumped 2 major countries that lost ww1 but for what reason? The goal was create new war in Europe and weaken British Empire which was world dominating power like US today. US wanted to establish dollar as international currency instead of british pound, in fact US wanted to do it since 1913 pre ww1 but failed.
2021-05-14 12:57
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Any works like books or documentaries that explore/defend this? Sounds pretty interesting.
2021-05-14 18:45
The US did literally everything to not go to war lmao
2021-05-14 12:18
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One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other.
2021-05-14 12:23
No, different yes, but it would have happend.
2021-05-13 23:51
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Not necessarily. As opposed to WW1, most countries were actually very much uninterested in another war and rather war-weary before WW2. France didn't want war, Great britain didn't want war, russia were still in no condition for another war. Had the conditions after WW1 been different in germany, it's possible that populism doesn't find enough resonance with the german populace and that it gets shut down
2021-05-13 23:57
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WW1 ended at status quo, countries didn't reach their ultimate goals and there was still Soviets with Stalin, Japanese Empire and US who wanted to be global power instead of Brits, fascist Italy and Spain, authoritarian Poland.
2021-05-14 00:08
+1
2021-05-14 00:06
no and why were we supposed to be "fair"? They lost the war back then, are you supposed to help the ennemy?
2021-05-13 23:52
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It was wrong, this could happen to France when Napoleon lost war to coalition but your country got away easily
2021-05-13 23:55
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I wouldn't call that "easily", France was in very bad shape after Congress of Vienna. But anyway, you seem to hate that we weren't hurt harder, while you cry about Treaty of Versailles. How ironic?
2021-05-14 12:24
Help? No. But maybe don't steal half of jerman lands?
2021-05-13 23:59
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are we really supposed to give them a pat in the back and lands, when they tried to invade the country? i don't think so They got fucked and never digested it
2021-05-14 00:06
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Brunei Venicious
Yea i actually agree with this, germany were the one trying to steal land in the first place, so it was definitely a fair thing to do
2021-05-14 10:09
Wait, isn't it all Lebensraum? Idiot.
2021-05-14 12:27
Germany's terrible conditions is exactly what lead to the uprising of Hitler, so...yes?
2021-05-14 13:29
absolutely, the smart move would be to divide Germany (perhaps between north and south considering the cultural differences) and give more territory to Italy. Also dont let countries with worsening economies fall into fascism without harsher treatment .
2021-05-13 23:53
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The problem was that it was very harsh, you’re only making it worse with this solution...
2021-05-13 23:55
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+1
2021-05-14 00:01
if you think you could divide germany based on "cultural differences" you are pretty dumb, especially the way the german state was forged by prussia. (if anything you would include austria into germany the way it was meant to be and not separate it further)
2021-05-14 01:14
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0/8 nobody likes germany
2021-05-14 04:51
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-1 I want to move there
2021-05-14 05:08
Stfu. Germany is amazing
2021-05-14 13:47
name checks out lmao
2021-05-14 13:53
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Germany Kit_su
That's some sort of nazi type of argumentation
2021-05-13 23:56
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Not really, even woodrow wilson, president of the USA at the time of the treaty of versailles thought that the treaty was too strict with the losers and that it could lead to more problems in the future.
2021-05-14 00:00
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He made his stupid 14 points, that were a given in any treaty.
2021-05-14 00:05
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Germany Kit_su
Blaming the treaty of Versailles for the second world war is like the biggest victim blaming ever. You should rather blame the first world war for the second world war then. I mean, the treaty of Versailles didn't come for no reason. The only people you can blame for the second world war, are the ones that declared it after faking an attack on a radio station.
2021-05-14 10:07
wilson was one of the worst presidents in history btw
2021-05-16 14:33
Treaty of Versailles was nothing compared to Trianon
2021-05-13 23:56
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It wasn't light enought to prevent a future war and it wasn't hard enought to weaken germany to the point were they couldnt start another war. Whenever sm1 says that trump, Biden, or Bush is the worst president, I laugh because it definitly was Wilson and it isnt even close.
2021-05-14 00:04
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+1000 for saying Wilson was the worst president Our historians are finally starting to grasp this, but it's embarrassing that for pretty much all of the 20th century we considered him among the best presidents
2021-05-14 00:34
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He basically started American intervention in other parts of the world, so ofc historians can`t say he was bad, while that foreign policy of policing the world is still in effect.
2021-05-14 12:53
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France HippzZ
+1 this treaty needed to be more extreme, either in light way or hard way.
2021-05-14 12:45
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These idiots should have read Machiavelli he laid it all out for them 500 years earlier...
2021-05-14 12:52
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United States t1rbr
it could've been delayed, but i think a war of that scale would've happened nonetheless in the 1900s
2021-05-13 23:57
Yes. Unlike in 1914, nobody wanted war in 1939, people weren't enthusiastic. Hitlers main selling point and the thing that made him the most popular was his revision of the treaty of Versailles, without that treaty he would not have even been elected.
2021-05-14 00:01
The French Marshal Ferdinand Foch was quoted as early as 1919 as saying: "This is not peace, this is a twenty-year armistice."
2021-05-14 00:03
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United States Burnak
Yes because the rise of Hitler was literally due to Germany struggling under the Treaty of Versailles. Even Germans that didn't like Hitler were kinda forced to vote for him because he basically promised the people to bring them back to their former glory.
2021-05-14 00:07
It could've been prevented if Wall Street didn't crash, too Stresemann was doing a pretty good job at recovering Germany up until that point Yeah he died soon after that but someone could've continued what he started That's what led to Hitler's rise
2021-05-14 01:20
Blitzkrieg
2021-05-14 02:01
Maybe, in fact probably, but you may not exist if it weren't for WW2. Lots of things came to fruition because of the war and I would hate to live in a world with the knowledge I have of what we have if WW2 didn't happen. But to answer your question, it's possible that Europe could have seen another war of that scale but later even with a more favorable treaty of Versailles. It's said that Germany would still have lost land rights regardless of the treaty of versailles simply because the French wanted it back.
2021-05-14 05:39
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Reunion Esquinox
uk was pro nazi, how could it have been prevented lies here
2021-05-14 10:13
If an agreement like the Treaty of Rome existed to support Germany economically back then war could have been avoided too. People underestimate the value of the EU and forget that it was created to prevent wars, not be profitable
2021-05-14 10:14
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Wars aren't only about money. Germany's economy got back pretty strong in the 30s. War reparations were only 4 to 7% of Germany's GDP. Niall Ferguson made it clear that the economic crisis was "done" deliberately by the German Government. Germany wanted to be a continental power at all cost, that's it. Wether it would happen thanks to wars, mass killings or diplomacy didn't matter. It's inside their dummy brains since Napoleon.
2021-05-14 12:50
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+1
2021-05-14 12:47
In school we learn that although Germany had a greater economy in the 1930s a significant portion of that money was spent on military equipment necessary after their equipment was mostly destroyed in WW1. The equipment was destroyed primarily because Germany were so desperate to win and willing to make immense sacrifices. As a result, I think that this money being utilized out of fear and necessity is a relevant argument and definitely worth considering. There are many sides to war that place perspectives on the "evil" people narrow-mindedly perceive The N party was able to become so popular because a lot of the money from the "economy" was being overspent by the government, so although Germany's economy was improving, the GDP per capita was not (government spending does not benefit the economy). I can understand German people feeling threatened by the still stagnant economy and the German government feeling threatened enough in an era without many alliances, so the EU offers a solution for both issues, helping people find jobs and improving economies to ensure countries do not feel threatened in the future
2021-05-14 13:27
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Of course you'll find good reasons for their behavior. They didn't have the right to recreate a military industry anyway so... It was clear for everyone that Germany wouldn't be destroyed, only weakened. Russia was already seen a danger by the USA and the UK and they wanted Germany as a buffer. I didn't study the subject on the economical side but what's sure is that the Nazi party was mostly about ideology and Hitler's charisma.
2021-05-14 16:47
Dripler had so much drip, so that he invaded France to promote his albums
2021-05-14 10:15
Maybe, maybe not, why do you ask?
2021-05-14 10:17
Germans crying how unfair Versailles was,bitch what can we say after that?
2021-05-14 12:20
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Maybe both countries can rightfully complain about the dumb treaties after WW1. Versailles and Trianon were European colonial border drawing applied to the European continent.
2021-05-14 12:34
Yeah, probably.
2021-05-14 12:36
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Armenia Yerevan
Probably.
2021-05-14 12:36
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France HippzZ
There is no such things as a 'fair' treaty after such a war. This what could happened of Germany won en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemberprogram.. WW2 was still inevetable except if Germany was completely destroyed.
2021-05-14 12:51
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No it was inevitable because of communism/bolshevism. Also your flag lul. France was the one who demanded the most ridiculous clauses of the treaty and then got rekt in 2 weeks. I would say karma.
2021-05-14 12:58
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France HippzZ
I just said facts, what does my flag have to do with that? I agree for the communsim part but it is not the only factor.
2021-05-14 15:07
If only France and UK reacted to Remilitarization of the Rhineland in 1936 then big war wouldn't happen
2021-05-14 13:10
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France HippzZ
True..
2021-05-14 15:09
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Switzerland Titan))
The Treaty of Versailles 1919 The peace treaty with Germany USA - President Wilson ~ Britain - Lloyd George ~ The big three France - Clemenclaw ~ The Big Three decide on the peace treaty with Germany and other countries. In Germany, the Kaiser abdicated. The Allies insist a new democratic government is formed. Germany is in chaos. The communists want to take over. The right-wing wants the Kaiser back. The Weimar Republic is formed and it is moderate. It is the first truly democratic government. But the first act it has to perform is to sign the Treaty of Versailles Agreed by the Big Three No German input Germans called it a “Diktat” It was very harsh on Germany
2021-05-14 13:24
Dont mention the war, pls. 🙏
2021-05-14 13:50
yes
2021-05-14 15:08
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