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Flashpoint, NiP, and bad servers.
huNter- | 
Switzerland NtroP 
NiP recently tweeted this: twitter.com/NIP/status/13933294544039485.. The long and short of this tweet explained that the NiP team were experiencing very high packet loss from Faceit servers (30-40%, which undoubtedly some of you guys will have eperienced). Changing server locations did not resolve the issue, but changing server PROVIDER (to someone who isn't FACEIT) resulted in servers working perfectly. Therefore, NiP were forced to play with very high packet loss by the FACEIT admins, which undoubtedly played an important part in the reasons for which they lost. NiP also mentioned a previous incident, this time under ESL's control. In this scenario, NiP were playing against Heretics, and after a solution could not be found even after an hour of effort from the admins, the final map was postponed. They praised ESL for this, and condemned Flashpoint for their handling of the situation. Yes, I'm an ESL admin, of course I believe ESL is the best TO, and I may be a little biased. But when the flashpoint schedule is so spread out (there's a 2 day break coming up!), not being able to reschedule so that the match can be played on an even playing field is ridiculous. As to other solutions, I understand most of them from the side of Flashpoint admins. Playing on another provider's servers is not feasible (the same policy exists at ESL, even ESEA matches can't be played on ESL Play servers and vice-versa at the moment), mainly because of anticheat issues, and a bunch of legal stuff. So I understand the admins not wanting to play the match on other servers, but their inability to reschedule the match? Ridiculous imo. TL:DR: Faceit servers bad so fucked NiP. Admins did not want to reschedule to find a solution. So what do you think of this incident? Anonymo definitely played well and this should not detract from their achievement, but the handling of the situation was incredibly poor imo. I was looking forward to Flashpoint, to see what they'd bring to a scene where the top tier is dominated by ESL and BLAST (DH belongs to ESL), but really I've been quite disappointed, there are so many strong caster duos which FP aren't taking advantage of, the production has been riddled with mistakes (but then it was flashpoint's first big event in quite a while), and it really hasn't stood up to the standards announced:/
2021-05-15 12:54
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#1
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Denmark pebblez
BLAST is the best!
2021-05-15 12:55
2 replies
#124
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France tyty1190
BLAST use faceit server
2021-05-15 23:37
1 reply
#137
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Sweden Lagge15
Nah, they switched sometime in 2019 or 2020 to ESL servers
2021-05-16 15:35
Great wall of china
2021-05-15 12:55
1 reply
More like great wall of ignorance
2021-05-15 13:02
Admins did everything to help, its only nips problem that they didnt have good internet connection, shouldve tested it out before the game.
2021-05-15 12:56
31 replies
They were 1-1 in rounds when the issue was detected doesn't seem like a big deal
2021-05-15 12:56
2 replies
checking the internet connection before the game doesnt seem like a big deal too
2021-05-15 13:00
1 reply
+1
2021-05-16 16:14
It worked on other providers' servers. This was a FACEIT-sided issue.
2021-05-15 12:57
20 replies
if it was faceit sided issue, anonymo would have lags too
2021-05-15 12:58
19 replies
well its their isp then, maybe it had a bad connection to this particular isp node, that provided connections to german faceit servers, still, the issue could have been resolved, had the match been postponed
2021-05-15 13:08
I'm afraid that's not how servers work, the routing is server-controlled, and if the server can't sot out reliable routing, you get packet loss. NiP literally had no problems with other providers, therefore it was faceit's servers causing issues.
2021-05-15 13:08
#59
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Sweden naztyy
That's not how it fking works lmao stop commenting when you're clueless ty
2021-05-15 14:02
15 replies
its only nips fault, flashpoint couldnt do anything
2021-05-15 14:04
14 replies
No it isn't? NiP could connect to other providers without any problems
2021-05-15 14:07
11 replies
when only you lag on the server its your internet provider's fault, nip could just change the network, they werent even prepared for this and it couldve happened in every other match
2021-05-15 14:09
10 replies
Do you even know how CS:GO servers and routing work? Faceit's servers had bad routing systems, which forced the data through bad ISPs and thus lost packets. NiP couldn't do anything about it. Other server providers, with good routing, had no problems with sending info to NiP
2021-05-15 14:22
#88
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Sweden naztyy
#72 comment already explained it well for you NiP only had issues on FaceIT german servers. There was some bad routing in the specific area in germany where the faceit servers were hosted apparently. They had no issues on non-faceit german servers, that were hosted in other locations in Germany.
2021-05-15 16:33
8 replies
its only their problem, flashpoint cant do anything about it
2021-05-15 16:39
7 replies
are you kidding me? If flashpoint's servers aren't working, I'm pretty fkin sure it's flashpoint's problem
2021-05-15 16:44
2 replies
He's baiting y'all. Why are you taking the bait, ignore him. His acknowledgement of the issue is not going to change anything.
2021-05-15 17:22
1 reply
idk... I've met dumber on HLTV but whatevs
2021-05-15 17:23
How is it only nips problem? They couldn't do anything about it but flashpoint could have rescheduled the match
2021-05-15 16:48
3 replies
dude is prolly baiting at this point
2021-05-15 18:22
2 replies
Yeah probably but it still makes me mad even tough he would be baiting.
2021-05-15 18:23
1 reply
lmao yeah I getcha
2021-05-15 18:24
wp with the bait
2021-05-16 10:33
Flashpoint should've postponed the 3rd map for at least 1 day to figure out what causing this problem on NiP side.
2021-05-16 15:18
It was only NIPs issue when no other server in the same location worked but it did, Faceit have cheap servers nothing you can blame on NIP Also we can read atm that normal player have this issue too with faceit servers.
2021-05-16 10:41
The issue was not the internet. please read about stuff before you comment.. Just because you feel the need out of nationalistic reasons.. If you want to not make a fool of yourself. make sure you actually know what you speak of before speaking. because now you just look like a fool who knows nothing and just fanboy over a polish team. This is neither for or against nip.. But what you say just disprove anything you say about anything
2021-05-15 17:27
6 replies
it was the internet, read about the stuff before you comment
2021-05-15 19:22
5 replies
funny that, coming from you
2021-05-15 21:44
Not Nips internet.. You might be smart for a rightist. but that still makes you dumber than most... Remember that.. so make sure to read stuff better before making a comment. :) you are welcome for the help.
2021-05-15 22:10
3 replies
i read all the stuff, i make internet connections in my city so i know what im talking about, im hired in one of the biggest internet provider in Germany, educate yourself and then respond
2021-05-15 23:34
2 replies
I feel sorry for both your company and costumers then.. Since your statement was wrong.. Like 100% wrong, not a matter of what you think or anything, what you said was just factually wrong. So being wrong about it, and then keep defending it, and using the excuse you where wrong about something you do as a living.. it really does not help your case, sorry to tell you.. Infact it just made things worse for you.
2021-05-16 00:48
Then surely you understand that the servers control the routing? Once again, NiP's internet was absolutely fine. They could connect to other providers' servers without any problems. The issue lied with Faceit's servers routing signals through a bad ISP node. Also I think I know what I'm talking about too: I'm literally an admin/referee
2021-05-16 10:12
Flashpoint has failed constantly it's pretty sad
2021-05-15 12:56
1 reply
:/ I wanted to give them a chance... but they kinda ruined it for themselves
2021-05-15 18:03
#5
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United Kingdom the_c0mpl3x
There's not a whole lot flashpoint can do about it though is there? It was faceits fault and they handles the situation poorly altough i don't think it was as bad as some people make it out to be as 40% packet loss is unplayable.
2021-05-15 12:56
8 replies
Just reschedule it it's not that hard
2021-05-15 12:57
1 reply
That would've probably been the best solution.
2021-05-15 12:58
40% packet loss isn't as bad as that video going around, but it sure is unplayable. I'd consistently be able to win a 1v1 against any pro player if they're on 40% packet loss. Even 1% can hinder gameplay.
2021-05-15 12:59
2 replies
That's wat I'm saying if they were on 40% packet loss they would've been running into walls and whiffing everything.
2021-05-15 13:01
1 reply
40% packet loss manifests itself very differently depending on the situation. If it's a consistent 40%, and rarely goes above that, then there's no running into walls: that happens at near-100% loss. FP admins can check their packet loss btw
2021-05-15 13:06
also Flashpoint==faceit, the flashpoint admins are faceit staff
2021-05-15 13:06
#32
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Finland DTeeVee
FP could have allowed them to play on a different server
2021-05-15 13:07
1 reply
Nah, because all of the faceit servers had packet loss, and I explained that changing servers to another provider is a massive no-no. For that at least, FP made the right choice. Even running the game on ESEA/ESLP servers would be a big issue
2021-05-15 13:10
#8
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Poland Astoner55
I think not rescheduling the match was a dick move from Flashpoint, honestly. The goal of these matches is to show who's better... and you ain't gonna have a good match with reliable results if one side has constant loss spikes up to 40%, which is literally unplayable at MM gold nova level, let alone PRO PLAY. This match wasn't fair. I would rather watch a fair match in a different time than an uneven clash that's not even going to show who's better.
2021-05-15 12:57
6 replies
At this point, it'll be worse to replay the match tho:/ Sure did ruin devve's debut tho
2021-05-15 12:59
5 replies
#18
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Poland Astoner55
Replaying is pointless, yeah. What happened, happened. But not rescheduling in the first place was just a disgrace from Flashpoint, we wanted e-sports, but we got e-unfairness instead.
2021-05-15 13:00
4 replies
well said sir
2021-05-15 14:11
There's rmr points on line tho, that is incredibly incredibly important for any cs team and to have such things cost you that's just sad
2021-05-15 14:22
There's rmr points on line tho, that is incredibly incredibly important for any cs team and to have such things cost you that's just sad
2021-05-15 14:22
:(( true dat
2021-05-15 14:24
#10
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Ukraine McSwell
NiP cry cuz lost to underdogs.
2021-05-15 12:57
9 replies
NiP lost to underdogs, true, but they praised their gameplay Let's be honest they would've won if they didn't have packet loss
2021-05-15 13:00
8 replies
#75
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Poland Berbe123
We dont know that:) Nip lost even to ago
2021-05-15 14:23
7 replies
the maps they lost were super close, so it's safe to assume that. But yeah we can't KNOW that they would've won, and that's flashpoint's fault
2021-05-15 14:26
How long ago was it lmao
2021-05-15 15:16
did nip have device during that match? 🤡
2021-05-16 10:21
4 replies
#132
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Poland Berbe123
Nope but they were training with nawwk for a year)
2021-05-16 14:50
3 replies
idk that rendition of NiP was completely off AGO beat G2 too
2021-05-16 14:59
so in other words, it adds zero to the conversation and has no point in bringing up besides your own personal ego just cause you are polish? sounds good idiot
2021-05-17 00:05
1 reply
#144
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Poland Berbe123
Said by retard U think that they change EVERY STRAT because dev1ce arrived? Delusional
2021-05-17 16:00
flashpoint have a schedule they cant just start changing it
2021-05-15 13:01
6 replies
They have several break days. They don't even need to stream the match. ESL runs on a much tighter schedule, and we still managed to reschedule
2021-05-15 13:03
2 replies
Can you confirm if ESL Cologne is lan? :)
2021-05-16 15:28
1 reply
it most likely will be. although there won't be an audience
2021-05-16 15:36
#121
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Spain ez25
They have the whole morning slot + 2 full days to play the game
2021-05-15 22:19
2 replies
and a 2 day break lmao
2021-05-15 22:18
1 reply
The scheduling sucks. Imagine teams played today then have to wait for a week to play again 🤦🏻‍♂️
2021-05-16 15:24
the second thorin started to talk about flashpoint and that he was a part to start this tournament organizer project it was bound to fail failpoint
2021-05-15 13:01
3 replies
lmao but he's gone now so idk
2021-05-15 13:03
#44
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Sweden Sexicano
Thorin left flashpoint because he realized they were shit. youtube.com/watch?v=4Y46CmVOC8Q
2021-05-15 13:20
1 reply
lmao
2021-05-15 13:36
#28
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Denmark fedling
ESL is much better they could literally play right now, they prob could use a valve server instead. Flashpoint is shit, maybe that's why EU tournament makers a best they won't add thorin to their management
2021-05-15 13:05
1 reply
Nah even we have issues with servers sometimes. However, changing server location generally works for us because server routing is different for each location. When we had pretty much the same issue, we just rescheduled.
2021-05-15 13:39
How did NiP manage to win overpass with this packet loss? and get to 15-14 lead with 3v2 advantage.... seems to be a lot of excuses for their loss
2021-05-15 13:06
7 replies
Let's be honest, NiP have always been incredibly strong on Overpass. Anonymo were simply outclassed, because NiP were set up to win most duels, as a good team would. These duels, where you just hold an angle then kill em when they appear aren't that hard to make even with packet loss. Nuke and mirage are very different
2021-05-15 13:13
2 replies
I guess packet loss was reason for dev1ce missing easy shot on 29th round? then they would have faced weak buy on 30th round lol
2021-05-15 13:19
1 reply
who knows? we can't put a finger on exactly what the packet loss fucked up for NiP, but I'm pretty confident they would've won if it wasn't for the loss
2021-05-15 13:22
it does not mean its always 40 percent packet lost entire time , its fluctuating get it?
2021-05-15 13:14
3 replies
It could fluctuate, it could be consistent. I don't have these details:/
2021-05-15 13:30
2 replies
"All our players had packet loss fluctuating up to 30-40%" that sounds like fluctuating to me, also there is no way they make any of those maps close if you play with a constant 40 or even 30% packet loss.
2021-05-15 17:02
1 reply
consistent packet loss is playable. The packet loss sending you into walls is when you have near 100%
2021-05-15 17:15
thanks for ur contribution!
2021-05-15 13:07
1 reply
np:)
2021-05-15 13:14
#45
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Trashpoint as always. Reschedule should have been the way. It's a fucking 20 day long tournament with multiple break days, surely this match could have been slotted in somewhere. But nah, Flashpoint with no staff and minimal production crew who can't even arrange pre-shows and post shows properly, no working replays in games and delay after delay can't do anything for sure. They are incompetent to hold such a prestigious event.
2021-05-15 13:21
11 replies
I kinda feel the same way, just without such strong words lol
2021-05-15 13:23
9 replies
#52
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Pakistan LoOuU2
I have been mad over them even before the tournament started. People on Reddit and few on HLTV were going insane after them when they released those hype intros and changed huds during the game and different casual approach to analysis saying "taste of fresh air" in usual productions of other TOs while completely ignoring how bad they have been in handling other parts of the production which are more basic and integral to the viewer experience than the shitty videos or player sketches I don't give a F about. 50% of the times replays suck, camera gets cut out of the game even if payers are alive after round end and a duel is about to happen, multiple delays, same casters and talent for each match which are only handful, clearly showing they didn't actually prepare to host this until the very end. I hope this NiP drama exposes them to everyone else at how bad of a job they are doing.
2021-05-15 13:40
8 replies
Right now diversifying the scene is a good idea, but yeah faceit have proper fucked it up this time. I was looking forward to new things, but there isn't anything new really:/
2021-05-15 13:42
2 replies
#55
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Pakistan LoOuU2
I am all up for some change too. No one likes to see every tournament getting handled by ESL and Blast. I was one of the very few defending the Funspark Ulti event that BIG won some weeks back, people criticized it for having low production value but it was a Chinese TO handling an EU event for first time, their casting and observing wasn't actually bad, they had Harry and Hugo and Maniac as the analyst. They did a pretty damn well job for someone with minimal big event experience though the production really was lackluster compared to the other giants. Flashpoint have been handling this for 2 years now. They didn't bid for a small EU event with 7 or 8 teams, most being Tier 2 like that in Funspark, they are literally arranging an event part of the Major cycle. It has its own worth and prestige which should be valued and given importance to.
2021-05-15 13:59
1 reply
yeah funspark did pretty well tbh, but then again it wasn't exactly the same calibre
2021-05-15 14:02
Also the caster duos are a massive yikes
2021-05-15 13:43
4 replies
#56
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Pakistan LoOuU2
They have DDK on their payroll yet he is casting Valorant. They can't even get their already contracted staff and talent to do their job and have to "outsource", in this case Semmler to pair him with Bardolph who is a washed up caster now and is clearly always biased during his commentary.
2021-05-15 14:01
3 replies
ngl you're not wrong, but bardolph's voice is damn amazing
2021-05-15 14:01
2 replies
#83
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Bardolph is really good, yes but even he doesn't seem to be in his usual form while on air now. Getting paired with energy lacker Semmler has affected him to. Just bring back DDK to cast with him and we can see his old form back losing his shit over great plays.
2021-05-15 14:51
1 reply
yeah... hopefully flashpoint sort themselves out by the end
2021-05-15 14:54
#87
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Japan Peine
you forgot the "no game audio, or too low for a whole match" and awful caster duos
2021-05-15 15:43
faceit is bigest shit off all time.
2021-05-15 14:08
#63
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Portugal dracø
Flashpoint being shit, nothing new
2021-05-15 14:09
trashpoint lmao, should just go play esportal instead with toxic swedes xd
2021-05-15 14:09
#66
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Denmark Fishlicks
Why would they waste time rescheduling a tier 4 match?
2021-05-15 14:10
8 replies
Not a tier 4 match? NiP have a good claim to being t1
2021-05-15 14:18
4 replies
#71
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Denmark Fishlicks
Says who? Their players are shit. Tier 3 at best.
2021-05-15 14:20
3 replies
REZ is incredibly strong, hampus has shown his worth, so has snax, and I don't need to talk about device
2021-05-15 14:24
2 replies
#80
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Denmark Fishlicks
Showing strength in a tier 4 match doesn't make you strong. 1.30 rating for device is actually really bad considering the team they were playing against. ZywOo and s1mple would've easily had >2 rating.
2021-05-15 14:29
1 reply
1.3 is insane wtf, anonymo have played super well to qualify, and played incredibly well in this match also devve was on 1.3 with that packet loss, which is mindboggling
2021-05-15 17:35
I know you're just baiting but it doesn't matter what tier game it was, it was an RMR event game it should be taken seriously.
2021-05-15 17:04
2 replies
+1
2021-05-15 17:15
#111
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Czech Republic PaYaB
+1
2021-05-15 18:31
No one had problem just only nip HJAHAHAHAH
2021-05-15 14:17
lmao, 40 % loss is a joke ! 40% loss means running to the walls ! it means lot of delay you cant do anything ... i cant believe that they had 30 - 40 % loss , because i experienced 30 40 % loss and i know its impossible to fight , peak , push and even hold .. this is an excuse for their bad performance
2021-05-15 14:18
1 reply
He meant 30%loss spikes If you have double digit iq you'd understand what people are talking about, that tweet was definitely an exaggeration from device but that doesn't mean they didn't have issues
2021-05-15 14:26
rescheduling would have been the best option in a RMR event
2021-05-15 14:32
1 reply
For sure, the only really acceptable option imo
2021-05-15 14:36
Faceit servers in my experience are so ass, last time I remember playing them I remember vibing on community servers for hours straight with no lag, then joining faceit match and their shit routing gives me unplayable ping spikes. Not surprised they can't handle this situation either.
2021-05-15 15:11
3 replies
#89
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Sweden naztyy
Yea they're really hit or miss honestly.
2021-05-15 16:33
at least they're 128tick tbf
2021-05-15 17:35
1 reply
MM 64 tick that actually works >>>>>>>>> shit routing 128 tick
2021-05-15 18:25
Really disappointed by Flashpoint
2021-05-15 16:51
2 replies
but at least you weren't disappointed by DBL Poney lmao;) gl against astralis
2021-05-15 17:36
1 reply
😂 glhf bro
2021-05-15 19:30
#94
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Sweden Fizze
Well said! It's a tough situation but shoud've been post-poned anyway
2021-05-15 16:53
1 reply
Yeah I hate hating on admins, because our work is hard, and the decisions we need to make are super tough, but... cmon that really isn't the way to go
2021-05-15 17:14
man it isn't just staffs fault. flashpoint is basically a faceit based tournament so they cannot just switch servers. but i agree that they could have just delayed the game till the issue was solve. (if possible idk obv.)
2021-05-15 18:33
#113
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Czech Republic PaYaB
It wouldn't be flashpoint without at least some problems, let's just hope that PGL will do better.
2021-05-15 18:33
1 reply
lmao idk if they can physically do worse
2021-05-15 18:51
#114
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Serbia hitomi79
Well, here's a "no-brainer" solution : switch to LAN as soon as possible so NIP could put some money where their mouth are right now.
2021-05-15 18:33
1 reply
lmao I wish... can't wait for IEM cologne, to see teams on LAN agane
2021-05-15 19:01
I hope Valve learn from this. Flashpoint is the shittest TO out there that claim to be a Top TO. Every Home sweet home cup has better production.
2021-05-16 10:49
1 reply
lmao +1 but also flashpoint were never a t1 TO, they only became relevant because they were given an RMR event
2021-05-16 11:10
You're an actual ESL admin, though? I don't think I've ever seen one on HLTV.
2021-05-16 15:39
1 reply
I don't think there's many of us here tbf, HLTV has a bit of a reputation lmao
2021-05-16 16:04
#141
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Sweden Zyk059
Agree with everything you just said. Anonymous played great CS and deserve the win. But as you said the handling of the situation is awful.
2021-05-16 16:08
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