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"We are under the impression that FACEIT is being pressured by NiP on a business level"
Austria LinksSpaceProgram 
is there actual evidence for this or did they write it to get more ppl on the wave what do you think
2021-05-16 21:38
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United States gtmaniacmda
sounds like an assumption to me
2021-05-16 21:39
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its a fair assumption and if u go off history it would make sense
2021-05-16 21:49
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i agree
2021-05-16 21:55
No idea. If I need to pick a side, this is probably Anonymo being mad that they have to replay the match.
2021-05-16 21:39
63 replies
Nice Swedish flag biased fuck lol
2021-05-16 21:40
60 replies
I can guarantee you that if the roles were reversed, I would still have the same opinion.
2021-05-16 21:46
59 replies
Nip had an opportunity to replay during the match said no... on top of that Anonymo offered to switch servers... on top of that Flashpoint should have rescheduled mid-game. Why should anonymo be punished when they did everything to help during the match. Find a single pro who agrees with you and is not on NiP.
2021-05-16 21:48
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"Find a single pro who agrees with you and is not on NiP." I don't care what pros say, I'm basing my opinion on what I think, not what they think: "Why should anonymo be punished when they did everything to help during the match" Why should NiP be punished for issues that were out of their control?
2021-05-16 21:50
21 replies
They shouldn't be. The match shouldn't have been played in the first place and when it ended that should have been it lol. You know how many matches in the past have been affected by players lagging etc and have still been played out lol. Why should NiP get a free pass?
2021-05-16 21:52
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"The match shouldn't have been played in the first place" I agree. "You know how many matches in the past have been affected by players lagging etc and have still been played out lol" And the lag was only found out to have been out of the players control after the match was played? "Why should NiP get a free pass?" Free pass on what? Replaying a match after it was found out that the issues they were having were out of their control?
2021-05-16 21:59
18 replies
Let me ask you this, did Anonymo have any control over the situation either?
2021-05-16 21:56
17 replies
No. Why does that matter though?
2021-05-16 21:57
16 replies
so why should they get punished?
2021-05-16 21:59
15 replies
A match should only be replayed if the issues for one team were caused by the other. Is this the argument that they are making? They should be "punished" because the game wasn't fair.
2021-05-16 22:01
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Yes, Flashpoint should have stopped it, they did not its on them. Furthermore, had Anonymo been on the other side Flashpoint definitely doesn't give them a replay since they are not a big fish.
2021-05-16 22:03
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"Yes, Flashpoint should have stopped it, they did not its on them." True. Flashpoint is at fault here. But the match wasn't stopped, so now the match needs to be replayed. "Furthermore, had Anonymo been on the other side Flashpoint definitely doesn't give them a replay since they are not a big fish." I have nothing to say to this. You have your opinion, and I have mine. I guess we just have to agree to disagree here.
2021-05-16 22:05
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Portugal YANRAZA
Stfu, ur biased. Accept it is unfair and they being beneficied. Typical swedish fck.
2021-05-16 22:08
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lmao, I've met some stupid people on this website but you're 100% the worst one.
2021-05-16 22:12
The only right thing to do is to replay the match. The organisers were in the wrong to deny them to move servers to reschedule the match. Yes it is annoying for Ano considering they won, but it is the only fair thing to do.
2021-05-16 23:09
#94
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United States Azaqa
Undo Anonymos result because of mistakes made by NiP and Flashpoint? That sounds really reasonable to me!
2021-05-16 23:03
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Not letting NiP play a fair match and punish them even though Flashpoint is at fault? That sounds really reasonable to me!
2021-05-16 23:05
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#96
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United States Azaqa
NiP only having 1 isp + not declining to play if the lag was so bad for them makes it at least 50% their fault. If anonymo can have 4 isps why can NiP only have 1? Flashpoint did basically everything wrong they could, but it's NiPs fault aswell and Anonymo shouldn't be punished for it
2021-05-16 23:06
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"The Polish team added that they offered to postpone the match when the network issues were brought up - just two rounds into the series - and that this solution was not accepted by FACEIT." Not NiP's fault. "If anonymo can have 4 isps why can NiP only have 1?" I don't know. But you shouldn't punish a team for not having more than one ISP. Flashpoint even said that the issue was out of NiP's control.
2021-05-16 23:11
So you are saying they should have forfeited the match? They were forced to continue to play, so of course they are going to give it a try as that is better than to just forfeit the match.
2021-05-16 23:14
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#102
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United States Azaqa
Refuse to play if trashpoint wont postpone. What are they gonna do DQ them? Their event would get fucked by the whole community. EliGE suggested this aswell...
2021-05-17 01:02
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"What are they gonna do DQ them?" Since NiP would have forfeited the match if they didn't continue, then yes.
2021-05-17 17:31
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#108
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United States Azaqa
Ahahahaha that would literally never stand
2021-05-17 18:32
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We never know as it didn't get to that, but that is kinda what was implied if NiP didn't want to continue.
2021-05-17 22:09
yep. literally this.
2021-05-16 21:56
that is not true lmao flashpoint forced them to play
2021-05-16 21:50
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Yeah, Flashpoint forced them to play, but Anonymo offered a replay during the match which is when all of this should have been decided, not days after the match has been played because NiP had n unfavorable outcome. Ask yourself this, if Anonymo was on the other side would Flashpoint have agreed to replay.
2021-05-16 21:54
they didnt even have the opportunity to change server, and both NiP and anonymo were open to playing non faceit servers. Flashpoint was the party that denied this and forcerd them to play on the usual server
2021-05-16 21:50
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Flashpoint legit said they tried to change server it didn't do anything LOL
2021-05-16 21:52
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That was because it was an issue on Faceit servers, not on other providers. Nip and anonymo offered to switch to ANY server that was A) working for NiP and B) not in Sweden (because ping for anonymo).
2021-05-16 21:54
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It wasn't an issue on FACEIT's part it was an issue in the NiP camp lol hence why when they switched around it didn't do anything.
2021-05-16 21:55
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From NiP Tweet: "We tried other servers based in Germany, from different providers (non faceit), and it worked flawlessly." From flashpoint tweet: "The issue seemed to be related with some security settings on the server that partially blocked traffic from the NiP connection/ISP therefore confirmed it was not something they could control and solve"
2021-05-16 21:59
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You really think NiP would come out and say our bad when they are trying to get a replay LOL
2021-05-16 22:00
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I meant you really think NiP would come out and say our ISP was the problem when they are trying to get a replay of the match LOL
2021-05-16 22:04
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It was a problem of a server setting and out of NiP's control tho, so of course they're gonna say that. NiP's ISP was working just fine, it was the servers of Flashpoint that were denying packets
2021-05-16 22:07
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Then they should have stopped the match during and NiP should have refused to play period, but no they lost and now they are pressuring Flashpoint from the standpoint of one of the biggest orgs in CSGO ever.
2021-05-16 22:09
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if they refused to play then Flashpoint could easily default the match to 2-0, or even disqualify. I dont know what the agreements look like, but I imagine there's clauses for refusing to play the game. also I think NiP just straightup thought "we can beat them even with these internet issues"
2021-05-16 22:12
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Yeah but with CSPPA support and massive community support plus the fact that NiP just signed device and are a massive org , Flashpoint would have gotten so much backlash that the match would have been replayed.
2021-05-16 22:13
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well judging by all this backlash they're getting right now Flashpoint doesn't care about community. they fucked this in the first place, must be a fun evening for their executive department right now
2021-05-16 22:13
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The likely thing is NiP denies the replay lol with the threat of communal hatred. I know I'm never cheering for NiP no matter if the other team eliminated my favorite team.
2021-05-16 22:15
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would be reasonable. they could still beat the shit out of Hyenas and do lower bracket run like device is used to
2021-05-16 22:15
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Exactly, when an underdog victory match is replayed the losers always have the advantage since all the tricks etc that Anonymo used to win just get analyzed and used against them especially when pitted against a team like NiP with infinite resources lol.
2021-05-16 22:17
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I haven't analyzed the demo myself, but I assumed it was just that device wasn't up to standards with his mirage (edit: also the fact that it was their 1st ever series as a team), simply because he hadn't played it for 2 years (iirc). Example during the 1v1 against Snax
2021-05-16 22:19
Imagine if Vitality vs DBL Poney was replayed, FaZe vs Sprout, C9 vs FaZe etc. was replayed would any of them go the way of the underdog?
2021-05-16 22:17
you better get your facts straight, you are wrong.
2021-05-17 01:31
The thing is, its not NIP that has done anything wrong either. Its not Anonymo either. The issue is all flashpoint, and that is where people needs to direct the anger. People all to often blame those at the frontline for things that is really not in their hands rather than those who makes the poo in the first place. Flashpoint, made a mistake on the day, bad servers, and forcing nip to play. Not allowing them to switch servers ( to servers that was working ) and not stopping the match. that is not either team fault but flashpoint. Then NIP as an org ofc have to complain about that. Like a motorsport team will need to complain if they get bad tires.. or a football team would if they get footballs that is triangle.. But its again all on flashpoint how they choose to fix their first mistake. Not on nip or Anonymo. People need to stop making this about nip.. and put the pressure on faceit/flashpoint. those are the one that made all the mistakes in this. the teams are just caught in the middle
2021-05-16 22:32
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Yeah, but 2 wrongs don't make a right just because NiP got wronged by flashpoint does give them any right to use their status as an org to pressure another smaller org to comply.
2021-05-16 23:40
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But that still dont mean that either team should be blamed.. Blame the one responsible.. meaning flashpoint.. this mess has nothing to do with either of the teams.. Faceit/flashpoint made the first mistake by forcing the match to be played, refusing it to be moved in anyway. That mistakes leads them to have to make other bad mistakes, but again that is all on them, not Nip or any other team. Nip is a company, sponsors and fighting in a sport. they have to complain about those issues, every team would and should, or things would never change. the same things happen in other sports.. But its not NIPs fault how flashpoint deal with any of it, from the beginning, both teams tried to make flashpoint move the match, but flashpoint refused.. Its so dumb of fans of cs or any team to take this out on the teams, the real issue is with flashpoint, and to some extend even valve for not making the changes needed for a better tournament structure.. But 100%, it is neither of the teams fault, they both suffer from the tournaments organizers lack of ability to run a tournament.
2021-05-17 01:18
"Nip had an opportunity to replay during the match said no" what?
2021-05-17 17:34
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I meant they could have pushed for the match to be replayed by pressuring the org during the match with wide community support instead of pushing after the fact. Do you really think a TO like Flashpoint would risk losing a team like NiP especially after the signing of Device and deal with massive community backlash that would follow suit?
2021-05-17 19:43
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United Kingdom pookis
lier too
2021-05-16 22:02
9 replies
You would want a rematch if the roles were reversed wouldn't you?
2021-05-16 22:03
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#55
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United Kingdom pookis
It doesn't matter what I want if what I want is bad sportsmanship. The organizer should have found another solution
2021-05-16 22:11
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Replay a game because it was unfair is bad sportsmanship? lmao
2021-05-16 22:11
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#60
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United Kingdom pookis
smooth brain i see. my opinion aligns with this twitter.com/EliGE/status/139400544305637..
2021-05-16 22:12
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Yep, you have a very smooth brain. It was only after the match was played that the issue was found out to have been the fault of Flashpoint. EliGE is a good played but he has a brainlet take here.
2021-05-16 22:15
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#70
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United Kingdom pookis
sweden genes smh nip shouldn't have played. easy solution. instead they must have thought "oh gee anymo is easy win even with 40% loss if not we'll just complain and get them in a rematch" i swear if I could spit in your face irl i would
2021-05-16 22:18
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Use your brain here for a moment would ya? NiP shouldn't have played, yes. But they were not allowed to reschedule during the match because Flashpoint believed that the issue were caused by NiP themselves. This is really easy to understand if you have a single working braincell.
2021-05-16 22:20
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#82
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Canada Femtal
+1 I have to agree here NIP were not at fault here, they themselves thought that the problem was coming from their ISP so of course when they found the real reason they want a rematch, if the problem was on NIP ends then the rematch would've never happened.
2021-05-16 22:32
I meant they could have pushed for the match to be replayed by pressuring the org during the match with wide community support instead of pushing after the fact. Do you really think a TO like Flashpoint would risk losing a team like NiP especially after the signing of Device and deal with massive community backlash that would follow suit?
2021-05-17 19:45
#85
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Poland singramz
why would anyone agree to replay a game that doesn't need to be replayed? no one complained when they stomped overpass
2021-05-16 22:38
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"why would anyone agree to replay a game that doesn't need to be replayed?" How does it not need to be replayed? NiP had issues that NiP couldn't fix, and they had to play the entire game with those issues. The match was unfair. "no one complained when they stomped overpass" Because the issues didn't affect their playing during overpass.
2021-05-16 22:42
"we are under the impression" = very substantial source ie. trust us bro
2021-05-16 21:39
what part of "under impression" you don't understand?
2021-05-16 21:40
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I do understand, but I asked for your opinion
2021-05-16 21:51
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Italy I_like_csgo
"we are under the impression"
2021-05-16 21:40
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#23
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North America joeS
+1 idiots can read and write english but don't understand it at all
2021-05-16 21:52
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I do understand, but I asked for your opinion
2021-05-16 22:08
It is the likely thing tho. Think about it, would anonymo have gotten the chance to replay had it been them?
2021-05-16 21:41
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#19
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Ireland JesuSenia
Yes
2021-05-16 21:51
Yes, just like Heretics last year. pbs.twimg.com/media/E1YZoi9WUAAkRDa?form..
2021-05-16 22:01
2 replies
what heretic replay?
2021-05-16 22:17
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"The Polish team added that they offered to postpone the match when the network issues were brought up - just two rounds into the series - and that this solution was not accepted by their opponents." Declining the solution and now pressuring faceit for rematch. Sore losers.
2021-05-16 21:55
2 replies
yup
2021-05-16 22:22
Yes as if anymomo are 100% in the Truth Even nip said they wanted reschedule but were denied so who is lying?
2021-05-16 22:23
Just a cringy accusation to make NIP look worse. Kinda disgusting to even say names when they literally know nothing.
2021-05-16 22:03
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#77
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Finland Khroni
FP themselves in their tweets said that NiP wanted it
2021-05-16 22:24
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and? they still didn't know that and literally nothing has been said about the players, yet they mentioned device, which could potentially hinder his reputation. just embarrassing behavior, even if they were wronged.
2021-05-16 22:25
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#87
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Finland Khroni
Does it matter? Its the truth and that is all there is to it, NiP have acted distainfully in pressuring for it and FP are scummy for a) not rescheduling the match in the first instance and b) forcing Anonymo to play it now without much warning, despite them acting as amicably as possible during the original match
2021-05-16 22:46
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yes it does matter. don't accuse someone who has not been proven to do what they're accused of doing.
2021-05-16 22:52
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#89
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Finland Khroni
FP's tweet literally said that NiP were the ones calling for it before they changed it wtf more you want?
2021-05-16 22:53
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to not call names? where was it said that device pushed for the game to be replayed? + NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING before FLASHPOINT's tweet, anonymo's statement were just empty accusations. results based thinking, ultimate cancer of internet.
2021-05-16 22:55
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#91
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Finland Khroni
twitter.com/faust7__/status/139400749982.. twitter.com/AnonymoEsports/status/139398.. Where the actual fuck do you get dev1ce from? It is not mentioned in either this thread and Anonymo's tweet doesnt say that dev1ce was the soul person behind it NA comprehension skills must have been missed out for your education
2021-05-16 22:58
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"We are under the impression that FACEIT is being pressured by NIP on a business level. You can see that by the tweets of both their organization and a couple of staff members and players (Nicolai 'device' Reedtz for example)."
2021-05-16 23:01
Sounds like an assumption, but given NIP management's history, no one would be surprised.
2021-05-16 22:16
#73
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Europe xqt3r
reading all the accusations against nip i wonder why people don't understand that not nip refused to postpone the match and it was flashpoint who refused any other solutions and forced them to play ... i think any other team would put the same pressure to play a rematch .
2021-05-16 22:21
#76
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North America Zorxs
NIP has always been a bit shady. Not surprised if this was true
2021-05-16 22:24
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NIP_1_HeatoN_Anonymo_0
2021-05-16 22:25
#80
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Poland kad_xqd13
nonamers winning one fluke game (barely) due to the other side having internet problems are malding coz the organizer asks them to play a rematch in a fairer environment i really hope they lose and get back to things they know more about which is losing counterstrike games to tier 5 teams
2021-05-16 22:28
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the only good reply out 83 comments
2021-05-16 22:38
1 reply
+1
2021-05-16 23:02
#111
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Ukraine Mykolkaa
+1 I feel like hltv supports anonymo because they like poles more
2021-05-17 19:46
they are afriad they will get rekt if replay source trust me bro
2021-05-17 17:33
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