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STOP HATE ON NIP
f0rest | 
Sweden Kahbor4L 
Yes, what is happening now to Anonymo is trash. But what happened to NiP is also trash. The competitive integrity is lost in both cases... all because of flashpoint. NiP was falsely blamed for the lag issues and were forced by flashpoint to play an entire bo3 in major qualifier with severe lag. That is a massive loss of competitive integrity. Then flashpoint realize that it was their own fault and now they are forcing anonymo to replay the game. But you must understand NiP's side in this. They were completely fucked over by flashpoint, so it's kinda understandable that they want to replay right? But at this point they should just let Anonymo have the win even though flashpoint accepted the replay, because IMO it's not right to fuck Anonymo over just because NiP themselves got fucked over. But anyway... the hate shoould be on TRASHPOINT... like I said before. Trashpoint is the worst tournament organizer... unless they can really step up their production, fire some of their trash admins who make shit decisions, they shouldnt be allowed to do more major events like this.
2021-05-16 22:14
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yes flag checks out btw but i think in a week or so people will be more reasonable and understand NiPs point of view abit more.. and realize that all the hate they are putting on NiP should be on flashppoint instead
2021-05-16 22:15
2 replies
+1
2021-05-16 22:41
Anymo Squad Deserves a Better Org tbh
2021-05-17 01:50
#2
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Serbia LtN))
#JusticeForAnonymo
2021-05-16 22:15
#3
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Czech Republic xANUx
hate flashpoint /closed
2021-05-16 22:15
7 replies
#34
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2021-05-16 22:25
#36
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Czech Republic PaYaB
+1
2021-05-16 22:26
#71
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
/open 90% flashpoint 10% Nip /closed
2021-05-16 22:38
3 replies
#81
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Czech Republic xANUx
/open ok /closed
2021-05-16 22:41
#120
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Sweden randigdot
/open 100% flashpoint 0% Nip /closed
2021-05-16 23:02
1 reply
/open Nip pushing for rematch takes part of the blame /closed
2021-05-16 23:04
#123
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Sweden randigdot
+1
2021-05-16 23:02
#4
syrsoN | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina dc4
#CancelNIP !!!!!!! A robbery in broad day light, this is shameful corruption.
2021-05-16 22:16
2 replies
+1
2021-05-16 22:22
#125
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Sweden randigdot
-1
2021-05-16 23:02
stop trying to change already established opinions its all in vain, just ignore and sleep mens
2021-05-16 22:15
1 reply
this issue alone makes it obvious how fucking stupid most of HLTV is, damn even too dumb to read the fucking article.
2021-05-16 23:09
Flag
2021-05-16 22:16
Nah, NiP were given a chance to win. They lost 19-17. Then they were given another chance to win. It's unacceptable.
2021-05-16 22:16
17 replies
But you should blame FLASHPOINT for this is what im saying. Think about it from a NiP players point of view. Imagine being completely disrespected by flashpoint, declining their request to reschedule, forcing you to play with high lags and being overall arrogant blaming it on your internet. Ofc they would be pissed and want to prove a point to flashpoint that it was flashpoints fault. And also be salty as hell for the lose. But at this point they SHOULD let ANonymo have the win and leave it. Because its unacceptable for ANonymo to have to replay the game. But blame flashpoint for accepting the request, dont blame NiP for sending it in tbh. At least dont fully blame them for it
2021-05-16 22:19
16 replies
In my personal opinion, it's unacceptable that no one would say anything if NiP won the last map (which they lost 19-17). Instead they lost and were given a second chance. Also they included this in their statement: "We lost the series to a determined opponent who played a great game, and we accept this".
2021-05-16 22:21
15 replies
Tbh I agree with your point that they seem petty af now when they said "we lost the series to a determined opponent who played a great game, and we accept this" but about the first point, i dont really understand. If NiP had won despite having a disadvantage, why is it weird that no one would request a replay? I think its only natural that a replay would be relevant if the unfairly disadvantaged party would lose. Not if they would win despite having a disadvantage.
2021-05-16 22:25
3 replies
Because they were actually so close to winning, and they could just as well have won the game? They literally lost 19-17 and that's one of the main points. A win was absolutely not unrealistic in the specific scenario.... Instead it turned out against their favour and they get a second chance.
2021-05-16 22:27
2 replies
Hmm ye fair enough I guess. Idk bro tbh, this is a situation that became very tricky cus of flashpoints handling of it. NiP gave the example of ESL, who instantly rescheduled the game upon the request. And idk, i dont think you can put much shit on NiP for trying to get a replay after being forced to play with lags. although i hope they will just take the L at this point and give the win to anonymo I think NiP are getting too much hate for requesting a replay, but tbh NiP were treated insanely poorly by flashpoint originally, so I think people should be more understanding towards NiP wanting to have a replay
2021-05-16 22:46
1 reply
I agree that a lot of this is on Flashpoint man! Anyways, this is basically completely based on personal opinion. Some people agree with NiP, some people agree with Anonymo...
2021-05-16 22:45
Why tf would nip complain if they won with disadvantages and loss? What kind of brain-dead argument that is, if they won with lag they'd win without lag as well? Just wtf ?
2021-05-16 22:31
10 replies
Dude, a lot of this is personal opinion.......... MY opinion is that it's unacceptable to give them a chance to win, and then give them another chance to win afterwards... You can have your opinion, that's fine.
2021-05-16 22:33
9 replies
Actually brain-dead So it's fair nip is forced to play with packet loss Legit brain-dead
2021-05-16 22:35
5 replies
Never said it was fair in any way. But they should NEVER have continued to play.
2021-05-16 22:42
4 replies
Says the person who said nip were given a chance to win Lmao yes forced to play with packet loss is acceptable and fair chance to win.
2021-05-16 22:41
3 replies
Yeah, that's definitely my point!
2021-05-16 22:39
2 replies
You realize that they had packet loss on that said "chance to win" No interest in having a discussion with someone with no common sense
2021-05-16 22:42
1 reply
And then you continue the discussion? Can you make up your mind? Lmfao
2021-05-16 22:43
#61
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Finland Lamber
This whole thread is saying they shouldn't get a second chance, but instead that Nip shouldn't be getting hate for requesting one when they feel like they were robbed.
2021-05-16 22:35
2 replies
Yeah, it's directed towards Flashpoint as well... A lot of this is also on Flashpoint because it's their decision in the end
2021-05-16 22:38
1 reply
100 % of it should be on flashpoint. It's SO shameful to force a team with obvious technical issues to continue playing. The fact that it got so close doesn't make a difference, other than concluding that without the packet loss nip would most likely have won. Flashpoint shouldn't be hosting Major qulification turnaments before they get their shit together. In such an important turnament, why wouldn't NIP complain about being forced to play under shitty conditions? I absolutely don't get ANY of the hate that's directed towards NIP. So unfair in my opinion.
2021-05-17 10:25
#9
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Italy I_like_csgo
Hate both
2021-05-16 22:16
tldr, but yeah kinda sad for both cases
2021-05-16 22:16
If they were getting ping issues they should have stopped the game right there and rescheduled.
2021-05-16 22:19
7 replies
They requested to reschedule the game after the 2nd round of the first map, but flashpoint declined the request, because they thought NiP's internet was the cause of the lag issues. But it turned out to be flashpoints servers that was causing the issue. But flashpoint arrogantly enough refused to believe so and therefore declined NiPs request to reschedule the game. At least according to NiP. Anonymo also said they agreed on NiPs request to reschedule. So from those two stories, it seems clear that flashpoint blocked a rescheduling of the game.
2021-05-16 22:26
twitter.com/MonteCristo/status/139399692.. Looks like they might have tried to and been denied.
2021-05-16 22:23
Anonymo says they offered a reschedule and "they" (didn't specify if NiP or flashpoint) refused, NiP says they didn't have the opportunity to reschedule, flashpoint says nobody asked for a reschedule. Who's lying? Edit: "The Polish team added that they offered to postpone the match when the network issues were brought up - just two rounds into the series - and that this solution was not accepted by FACEIT." So it's clearly not NIP's fault
2021-05-16 22:26
4 replies
#64
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Canada Femtal
link to source please?
2021-05-16 22:36
2 replies
Hltv news
2021-05-16 22:55
1 reply
#111
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Canada Femtal
okay thanks
2021-05-16 22:56
Snax said on stream that he asked if they wanted to postpone the match but got no reply
2021-05-17 01:51
Flag
2021-05-16 22:20
nip no honour remember fnatic vs nip????
2021-05-16 22:20
4 replies
that was a different roster mate... come on
2021-05-16 22:22
#57
JW | 
Switzerland Titan))
was going to say - not the first time this happens with NiP who's at fault? : Flashpoint should NiP seek a remtach? : no, for their own good even
2021-05-16 22:34
2 replies
#76
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
+1
2021-05-16 22:40
100% reasonable take Flashpoint is fully at fault here. NiP got completely fucked by flashpoint. But at this point, NiP should just man up, take the L that flashpoint gave them and bounce back without fucking over anonymo. Sadly either NiP or anonymo will have to be fucked over by flashpoint, and NiP should be the bigger man here, because Anonymo did everything right and showed sportsmanship all the way
2021-05-16 23:15
It couldn't be more obvious that barely anyone has read the article.
2021-05-16 22:21
#JUSTICEFORANONYMO
2021-05-16 22:21
#22
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Estonia FrispeN
The thing is that they finished the map after being offered to reschedule. And by that they agreed with the endresult. Whining in the end after loss is childish and thats why that fume is up.
2021-05-16 22:22
3 replies
They werent offered to reschedule? I don't think so at least. According to NiP, they requested to reschedule the game, Anonymo agreed to that and flashpoint declined the request. Anonymo also said in their original tweets 2 days ago that they had agreed to NiPs requests to reschedule the game. But now today they made an unclear tweet and said "they refused to reschedule" but I am pretty sure theyre referring to flashpoint
2021-05-16 22:28
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#141
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Estonia FrispeN
on 3rd map mirage when the score was 1:1 there was interruption and anonym, offered to change the server anything but swedens, reschedule it to continue another time.. NiP declined. As they did that in that level when all pro's are kinda friends in the level of understanding and don't want to take advantages and understand issues I take the NiP thing as a lack of respect I see this as "dont care we will beat them anyway" they lose they whine kinda style. Anonymous are have behaved in good sportsmanship even without org they have respect all the offers without flashpoint and you can also see all the other proscene reacting the same way.
2021-05-17 01:43
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#149
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Estonia FrispeN
Ok I will write it simple. If NiP would have won this match there wouldnt be any rematch on the schedule. You get the point? Thats what the point is. "Rescheduling only because we lost."
2021-05-17 01:53
they were not fucked they could have just postponed the match the first time but they wanted a get out of jail free cars so they can try to win twice pathetic sad all respect for that org is gone
2021-05-16 22:23
6 replies
Bro NiP requested to postpone the match after 2nd round in 1st game. That was what the 40 min technical timeout was for lmao. Flashpoint were the ones who declined NiPs request to postpone
2021-05-16 22:26
#58
REZ | 
Australia FlaKeXD
what are you even saying... they did request to postpone the match
2021-05-16 22:34
3 replies
so anonymo is lying because on their twitter they said nip didnt want to postpone or nip is lying, it could be that anonymo is the one lying i just went with the one i trusted more tho i dont have any factual statement to support this
2021-05-17 00:28
2 replies
never trust poland
2021-05-17 01:51
no they said "they" didn't wanna postpone, this was referring to Flashpoint, not NIP
2021-05-17 09:59
#32
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Germany Ryuzth
Sorry mate but two wrongs don't make one right, Anonymo did nothing wrong and are being screwed because of team that should have forfeited the match if Flashpoint didn't want to suspend it. If they forfeited the match and explain the situation you can be 100% that the community would be on their side. Once again, two wrongs don't make one right, stop being sore losers
2021-05-16 22:26
1 reply
tbh ye you are right in hindsight NiP shouldve just forfeited the game from the start.
2021-05-16 22:28
True.. Its on flashpoint. People sadly tend to blame others than those actually at fault.. Even more so in gaming. people dont blame Blizzard and EA for shitty stuff. even thought they are doing the abuse. people dont blame valve for the many issues with stuff in general but the people who suffer because it, teams, players, coaches. And now people blame the team for something that is 100% flashpoints fault. They are the host. and did something bad. Ofc nip as a team should adress that. And then what flashpoint choose to do about the mistake they made is all on flashpoint, not nip nor any other team or person.. Its all flashpoint.. give them shit. so they get better.
2021-05-16 22:25
#37
Serex | 
Europe Serex
sore losers @nip
2021-05-16 22:26
#40
Jamppi | 
Finland 5way
#JusticeForAnonymo
2021-05-16 22:27
#43
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Germany mc_ginger
#GONINJAS
2021-05-16 22:27
Both NiP and Flashpoint are to blame though. I can hate more than one org at a time. The match should've been postponed, but it wasn't and that's on flash point. The match is over nip lost, If they were truly a good team they could easily make it to the playoffs from the lower bracket without having to fuck over anonymo, but instead they've spent all week crying on twitter to get a rematch. In my opinion NiP deserves all the hate coming their way.
2021-05-16 22:29
1 reply
And they’ll get it Probably the most hated organization in top #30 after this
2021-05-16 22:41
#47
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Germany Duke24
Replay for another lost match? Still laughing later KEKW
2021-05-16 22:30
1 reply
That would be EPIC , i swear. I like NiP , but that's hilarious and pathetic. Take the L and don't be a bitch.
2021-05-16 22:31
Everyone is overhyping NIP , what's the problem? Lol. They can "bounce back" with ease , they have "so much potential" , right?
2021-05-16 22:30
2 replies
chill... i believe NiP can bounce back from this for sure lol.
2021-05-16 22:48
1 reply
0/8
2021-05-16 22:50
#53
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Portugal GMartins77
hope nip get banned!
2021-05-16 22:32
Nip just refused to postpone the match when Anonymo proposed that Explain my why why they did it? How u can say they are big victims - thats theirs fault asswell while anonymo did anything wrong.
2021-05-16 22:34
1 reply
not true. flashpoint refused to postpone the match. not nip
2021-05-16 23:02
Good take, now that the match has already been played a rematch is unreasonable
2021-05-16 22:34
Good point, both NIP and Flashpoint suck
2021-05-16 22:37
Flashpoint fucks up twice and nip gets the hate.. First they fk up by forcing nip to play with issues. If thats not bad enough now their forcing anonymo to replay the game..
2021-05-16 22:36
+1
2021-05-16 22:37
NIP could just accept the loss instead of complaining… Can’t be Flashpoints fault, when only NIP has packet loss
2021-05-16 22:40
4 replies
Read the article.... Flashpoint literally did an investigation on their own and concluded that it was their own servers that was causing the issue. They wouldn't have backtracked so hard otherwise man.
2021-05-16 22:47
3 replies
Trust me - With issues like this its almost impossible to determine the root cause, but 99% of the time the problems would be in NIPs or their ISP's end. If the problem was caused by a "security appliance" on the server denying some of NIP's packets, then using a VPN would have solved the problem. NordVPN literally have 59 locations with above 5000 servers spread worldwide that NIP could have tested from. Not sure what NIP has said to make Trashpoint take the blame, but whatever it was, it must have come with a pretty steep pay or just a promise of lawsuit.
2021-05-16 22:54
2 replies
honestly without sounding disrespectful i think thats complete bullshit that NiP would have completely forced flashpoint into accepting a rematch. i think its just like flashpoint said in their statement, that they originally thought the blame for the lag was on nip's side, and therefore they declined the request to postpone the game. and then 2days later they discovered that the issue was with their own servers, and then they felt like they wanted to make things right for NiP by accepting a replay. thats what i think makes most sense lmao. i think that NiP "bribing" flashpoint into making a rematch is completely ridiculous
2021-05-16 22:55
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Again... That doesn't make up for the fact that according to NIP they tried fixing the problem by using NordVPN. If the problem was due to a "security appliance" on FaceIT's end, connecting from a different endpoint would have solved the problem. I too doubt that NIP would bribe flashpoint for a rematch, especially since: 1. It would be illegal 2. If it came out, NIP and Flashpoint/FaceIT would be in a lot of troubles That statement regarding bribes, was just meant to clarify, that i don't know what NIP could have done to make Flashpoint take on the blame, for something that wasn't their fault. They'd have to come up with a better excuse than "some security settings on the server that partially blocked traffic from the NIP connection/ISP, therefore confirming it was not something they could control and solve."
2021-05-16 23:00
Nip is just crying, especially the new, most overrated player from the top
2021-05-16 22:41
If NIP forfeit like Fnatic did in the major after olofboost, that's when we will have some respect for them
2021-05-16 22:42
#86
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United States Azaqa
NiP have fucked up aswell, theyre all so unprofessional and even being willing to cry for replay and fuck Anonymo like this is fucked. Its really split blame between NiP and Flashpoint. As such a major esports org why do NiP only have 1 isp, while even a tiny org like Anonymo have 4 available for when something like this happens? Flashpoint did a lot of wrong but so did NiP and NiP players. Anonymo did 0 things wrong and are being punished. Even in NiPs own tweet Anonymo were open to any solution that supports competitive integrity twitter.com/NIP/status/13933294544039485..
2021-05-16 22:44
#87
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Poland kaspr02
nip is forcing anonymo for a rematch LUL
2021-05-16 22:44
12 replies
well NiP requested to flashpoint to do a rematch, and flashpoint accepted the request. so technically flashpoint is forcing anonymo to do it. but i hope NiP will man up and leave it, give Anonymo the win and move on. thats the only right thing to do now. they got fucked over by flashpoint, but hopefully they can bounce back from that without fucking over anonymo
2021-05-16 22:51
11 replies
#103
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United States Azaqa
NiP should never have requested it anyways, the fault is at least 50/50 between NiP and Flashpoint. NiP should never have only 1 isp as a major esports org and flashpoint have obviously made some absolutely braindead decisions both during the match and again with this rematch
2021-05-16 22:53
5 replies
Wait have you still not read the Flashpoint statement? prntscr.com/130ebcq
2021-05-16 22:56
4 replies
#122
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United States Azaqa
Switching ISP would fix this issue even though it was server side (which is why all esports teams have multiple isps, even anonymo has 4)
2021-05-16 23:02
3 replies
Oh yeah Flashpoint can block their ISP because they are ment to have multiple ISPs? And also you are just assuming that they don't have more than one.
2021-05-16 23:03
2 replies
#130
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United States Azaqa
No, it's a fact they only have one. It's a well known factor in this whole situation that they only had 1, flom was talking about it mentioning he even has 2 at his home just incase an issue arises and he isnt even a pro anymore he just memes with Mythic in t3
2021-05-16 23:05
1 reply
Show me where you find the fact, but it still doesn't make it right to do a misstake like flashpoint to block a fucking isp
2021-05-16 23:07
#107
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Poland kaspr02
yeah it would genuinely be better if they just moved on. NIP should still do well in the lower bracket. There was literally never a situation in csgo where a rematch was going to happen, so it's just sad to see now, because we all know that if anonymo had those problems they would never get the same treatment. :/ we shall see what happens bro
2021-05-16 22:54
#110
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Poland xMBTx
Asking for a replay dogsht org, no dignity NIP offered.... like a Jesus offered mercy, do they think they are some kind of GODS?
2021-05-16 22:56
3 replies
you gonna have to explain more what you mean man , i didnt fully understand you
2021-05-16 22:57
2 replies
#114
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Poland xMBTx
no sry, i dont take your offer, f off
2021-05-16 22:57
1 reply
chill bro... sorry that anonymo is getting fked over but tbh u should chill a bit
2021-05-16 22:59
+1
2021-05-16 22:46
#JusticeForNIP #JusticeForANONYMO
2021-05-16 22:54
DUDE FFS ?!?! Who is Forcing Flashpoint if not nip ???????
2021-05-16 23:00
#129
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Brazil hugoooo
NiP NEED to be blamed as well!! If they played the match, they were agreeing with ANY possible outcome! Ask yourself: If NiP had beaten Anonymo would they as for a rematch?? They are being scummy, they had a win-win situation on their mind: "if we win it's over, if we lose we ask for a rematch". Tier 99 org mentality. I hope they lose every match from now on.
2021-05-16 23:04
5 replies
NiP asked to postpone the match since the 2nd round in the first map lol its not like they randomly started complaining about lags after losing they were complaining about it since the start of the game. AFTER 2 ROUNDS they had a 40minute technical timeout where they asked flashpoint to play the game on a different date when the lags had been fixed.
2021-05-16 23:06
4 replies
#135
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Brazil hugoooo
They "asked" and "noticed" shit but they STILL PLAYED THE GAME UNTIL THE VERY END. Once it's played, it's over, it ALWAYS HAVE BEEN LIKE THIS since ever, the only exception of a overturned result is the case of cheating/throwing conclusion. I have never seen shit like this happening since I started watching professional CS back in 1.5... this is a DISGRACE and I hope it don't trigger a flow of rematches from now on.
2021-05-16 23:09
3 replies
Bro what would you want them to do though? Faceit/flashpoint declined to reschedule the game. So either they forfeit the game, and instantly give the win to anonymo without trying or they at least try to win, even though they have heavy lags because of flashpoints servers. dont you see how unfairly NiP was treated? and now sadly anonymo is getting treated unfairly
2021-05-16 23:12
2 replies
#138
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Brazil hugoooo
twitter.com/EliGE/status/139400544305637.. exactly my thoughts. Literally EVERY SINGLE pro player tweet was against NiP/Flashpoint. Put your bias aside and be rational. Check their tweets here: hltv.org/forums/threads/2459965/snax-lol
2021-05-16 23:21
1 reply
NiP is wrong by accepting the rematch, but it's easy to understand why they did if we try to see it from their shoes. There's no room for this level of amadorism in top tier CS. All flashpoint decisions were horrible, but i would be glad to see NIP giving a step back and accepting the unfair loss. The rematch could back fire even if they win
2021-05-16 23:26
2 replies
You can't hate on NiP for wanting a rematch... If you think it's wrong to have a rematch, hate on Flashpoint for ruling that there should be one
2021-05-17 01:48
They got to be compensated in some way tho
2021-05-17 01:50
no
2021-05-17 01:53
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