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NIP is literally right
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United Kingdom SomeFuwkingCunt 
I was honestly trying to be fair to both teams but NIP is literally correct anonymo won with an unfair advantage and now them and their "fans" are trying to act like they were the victim all though honestly the blame really goes to flashpoint
2021-05-17 18:26
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2021-05-17 18:27
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2021-05-17 19:45
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2021-05-17 18:27
Blame Trashpoint Not NiP or Anonymo
2021-05-17 18:27
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#17
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Chile esanchez47
This
2021-05-17 18:29
tbh i blame anonymo for declining a rematch. they don't seem to have basic common sense of fair-play. every other team would've accepted it.
2021-05-17 18:31
89 replies
“Every other team would’ve accepted it” where did you get that from? Absolutely not true mobile.twitter.com/gla1ve_csgo/status/13..
2021-05-17 18:42
76 replies
this just shows how rotten these characters are. let's say in every other sport the other team would accept it.
2021-05-17 18:34
71 replies
Again something you made up
2021-05-17 18:34
#66
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Poland aiken
Dude you have no idea. Polish teams played on disadvantageous net conditions vs eastern teams for 2 decades in many games and there was no discussion about it. It was just how it was and no one cried. I know about it because I was in e-sport since very beginning and I was struggling the same with my teams. Re-match is not an option since they agreed to play. If they felt they are in that big disadvantage they could simply refuse to play 3rd map. In my opinion they are simply exaggerating how much packet loss they had. I saw that game and shots there were hitting. You can't do that on poor network connection.
2021-05-17 18:53
15 replies
"In my opinion they are simply exaggerating" Lmao ok stop. "I saw that game and shots there were hitting. " Mf'er doesn't know what spikes are
2021-05-17 18:58
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#91
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Poland aiken
Of course I know what spikes and I'm sure even if for most of the time feel the game normally it may cause you to feel uncomfortable and lack of courage to do some kind of plays but it's far from statement that "we were playing on 30-40% packet loss". Also they should not agree to play if it was that bad. There is no option to re-play the game and if it happens it opens a huge hole in esports integrity. Teams will be given a new tool to find circumstances to justify canceling the game. The game wasn't fair in 100% but it's not the first and not the last time in esports and sports history.
2021-05-17 19:04
8 replies
"they should not agree to play if it was that bad" Both teams agreed to a rematch after the 2nd round of the 1st map. Organizer said nope, play. Doesn't matter what else happened after that, that was the mistake that started the avalanche of shitty decisions. One and only one party is responsible for this shitshow. Anything either team posts on social media at this point is just dumb and shitty optics for the entire situation.
2021-05-17 19:09
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#107
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Poland aiken
I would like to see the whole chat log from the servers but those are not available or at least no one posted them so can't tell if the reschedule was discussed later on. Flashpoint is responsible for the problem but re-playing the game is not a valid solution for this problem.
2021-05-17 19:13
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#128
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Latvia IzzoR
The rules are you have to play out the match regardless of your issues. So yea flashpoint is great.
2021-05-17 19:28
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#137
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Denmark Xipingu
+1 Did you have a blue screen that's unfixable? LOL. Buy a new computer while we wait here, or get DQ'd and lose lol. That rule is so dumb, it actually hurts.
2021-05-17 19:32
#132
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Denmark Xipingu
We're in 2021. What happened the last two decades is irrelevant, when a team asks for a rematch, you analyse the problem and come up with a viable solution. This did not happen with Flashpoint, as they skipped all analysing and went straight to "LOL nope, play or lose automatically" - unprofessional af. Had to get that off my chest, sorry. Otherwise I agree - NiP should get some compensation (RMR points equal to how far Anonymo went at the end of the tournament based on that win - a % of it) - and let the rest of the tournament go as it goes.
2021-05-17 19:30
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#194
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Poland aiken
Okay, show me examples of re-played matches and reasons why those we replayed, gl.
2021-05-17 20:28
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#199
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Denmark Xipingu
Sir, I agreed with you on that part of the discussion. Please settle.
2021-05-17 21:59
They are, After some digging: Ingame chat during 1st map and everything after: imgur.com/a/CCrzbzE (Source: reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/nd.. ) Anonymo CO raging at Flashpoint for starting the game, also stating that NiP should ff first match because they were late (This was before it was made clear NiP was not at fault) imgur.com/a/0FnSjjc (Source: epicplayz.pl/p/88188-dotralimy-do-rozmw-.. ) Interesting question you could ask is why a CO is aware of these issues when FP/RMR rules state nobody that isn't a player/coach is allowed to communicate with the players during a live match.
2021-05-17 20:01
#105
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Finland Lindeni
They didn't agree to play. They were forced to play. They were threatened to be disqualified if they dragged the pause of the game any longer. Read my friend, read.
2021-05-17 19:12
4 replies
you really think they would disqualify them after advertising this as their first game with device for so long? would make them look worse than this situation that we are currently in
2021-05-18 03:23
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#206
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Finland Lindeni
Probably, because they threatened to DQ them if they didn't continue on with the game. Obviously you're going to play than forfeit the map/game.
2021-05-18 04:25
2 replies
but then there is literally no way anyone can pin anything on either of the teams but rather all the blame on flashpoint which would give a lot of heat towards them and would probably have ended with a reschedule after all the backlash that they would get
2021-05-18 06:53
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#208
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Finland Lindeni
Or, they play because they're forced and do the complaint, like they did, and now mirage is going to be replayed.
2021-05-18 12:12
lmfao, shut the fuck up. the game is over and anonymo won, no matter what fucking happened. its literally fucking common in online tournaments that someone drops for a round and even the round doesn't get replayed. rematch is absolute bs
2021-05-17 18:58
5 replies
we should have called u when Fnatic with olofboost was a problem back in 2014. LDLC should have never asked for a replay right???? or can we just play fair bc I'm pretty sure dev1ce could 1v5 them on lan and win 16:00
2021-05-17 19:03
2 replies
#122
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Brazil RevvivaL
Fnatic broke a rule (pixel boosting), anomyno broke no rules, stop being ignorant
2021-05-17 19:26
device barely beat a 12 yo faceit lvl 10 in 1v1 LAN event lmao
2021-05-17 19:33
"yeah i won the race, I mean the other team didn't have any wheels on their car but I won fair and square". Leave.
2021-05-17 19:09
#110
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Finland Lindeni
" its literally fucking common in online tournaments that someone drops for a round" Is it common in one of the most important tournaments of the year to force players to play under nearly unplayable conditions with the threat to get disqualified by the tournament organizer? Please link me any other situation like this, I'll wait.
2021-05-17 19:14
#86
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United States Azaqa
Thats so untrue a rematch wouldnt get accepted in any sport or esport which is why it doesnt happen in any other sport or esport
2021-05-17 19:02
46 replies
#94
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Brunei Venicious
The reason it doesnt happen in any sports is because of money and tickets and stuff, that gets complicated, it doesnt in online cs. So theres no reason except for crying poles to not replay the match.
2021-05-17 19:05
11 replies
#100
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United States Azaqa
?? Yea what about the betting? The money involved in prizes and the rewards of qualifying to the major?
2021-05-17 19:09
10 replies
#113
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Brunei Venicious
All bets have already been settled. And if the match will be replayed every decent bookie should void it imo but most will not due to terms and conditions, so there will be barely any change to that, and if there will be it will only be for the better as it would only be more fair. And literally the same goes for prizes/rewards and qualifying for the major, how are you even questioning that? How can a match where 1 team is playing with a handicap be more fair to you than an actual fair match with no handicap?
2021-05-17 19:23
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#119
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United States Azaqa
Because of the situation apparently they let anonymo bettors keep money and gave nip bettors back their money. Also yes the match was unfair for nip but they agreed to continue playing and its also unfair to anonymo to strip their win away from them and force them to play again
2021-05-17 19:25
7 replies
#133
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Brunei Venicious
NiP didnt really agree as they didnt have a choice, flashpoint didnt offer to replay it at the time, also why is it unfair to take away anonymos win which was gotten unfair anyway.
2021-05-17 19:31
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#141
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United States Azaqa
They had the choice to refuse to play. Also ANONYMO win isnt unfair, they tried their best to postpone the match etc but trashpoint are too dumb to allow it. ANONYMO played a great game and the reality is now that their strats have been revealed its unlikely theyll win being forced to play the same maps. NiP were ok with giving it a try to win and got close, just because ANONYMO ended up winning doesnt mean its ok to strip it away and give NiP another shot
2021-05-17 19:34
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#151
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Brunei Venicious
Ofcourse it should be stripped away if the other team has a handicap lol, besides that nip has 100 games to look back on "strats" like that even matters. The win was 100% unfair if you are seriously denying that youre just deluded.
2021-05-17 19:41
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#162
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United States Azaqa
Yea youre braindead if you think ANONYMO didnt have strats prepared specifically for NiP, their toughest opponent in months or even years. Nobody said the win wasnt unfair however NiP agreed to the terms. Why? They thought they had a chance to win. And they did! Map 1 they won 16-3 and map 3 went to OT. Obviously they could have won. Just because they were at a disadvantage doesnt mean you can strip away the win. They already had a chance to win when they agreed to play with a small disadvantage and they dont get another one just because they lost.
2021-05-17 19:45
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#176
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Brunei Venicious
"nobody said the win wasnt unfair" do i need to quote your last comment? Why do you even bother talking about strats and prep if the match was just unfair? It doesnt matter at all. Also they never agreed to play in these conditions, flashpoint forced them to as they tought the connection was nips own fault. So why shouldnt the match be replayed in a fair way exactly? Because you would rather let an unfair match count?
2021-05-17 19:56
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#185
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United States Azaqa
The win isnt unfair, the conditions of the match were unfair. My mistake. Also youre pretty clearly delusional anyways cbf arguing if you are this 1 sided for NiP
2021-05-17 20:02
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#187
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Brunei Venicious
I can respect your opinion, but for me if the conditions are unfair so is the win. And no, im not delusional or nip sided, if the roles were switched (or any other teams here) i wouldve said the exact same. I dont think it would be fair is this match was counted this way. Anyway we can just end it here, agree to disagree.
2021-05-17 20:06
Pol that bets deserves to suffer or die
2021-05-17 19:23
imagine a football match. the organiser acidentally locks up 35% of the players of one team in the locker room and forces them to play 7 vs 11. it's just called sportsmanship and fairplay to agree to a rematch
2021-05-17 19:05
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#103
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United States Azaqa
AHAHAHAHA yea bro NiP are being forced to 3v5, shut up. Its as if the organiser forgot all their equipment at the airport and forced them to play at a disadvantage. They accepted to play as the terms were unfair but still playable and they knew they had a chance to win. Now that they lost, they want to undo the results.
2021-05-17 19:11
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#117
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Brunei Venicious
Handicap=handicap, why dont you get that? If you want to argue the handicap isnt that bad, i can understand you as its hard to say exactly how much lag they were experiencing. But looking at the logs it seemed bad.
2021-05-17 19:24
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#123
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United States Azaqa
Yes its a disadvantage. Yes it was unfair to NiP. They however agreed to play the match despite the disadvantage because they felt they had a chance to win (and obviously they did considering it went to OT on map 3 and they won map 1 16-3). Taking away the win to give NiP a 2nd chance is unfair to anonymo when ultimately this is almost all flashpoints fault and ANOYNMO did nothing wrong
2021-05-17 19:27
1 reply
they didn't agree. they were forced.
2021-05-17 19:32
#129
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Brazil RevvivaL
Nip agreed to play with said handicap. what is your point?
2021-05-17 19:28
28 replies
#138
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Brunei Venicious
They didnt have a choice, flashpoint forcing them to play isnt the same as nip agreeing to play.
2021-05-17 19:33
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#142
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Brazil RevvivaL
Then its flashpoints fault, anomyno did nothing wrong, and shouldn't be forced to play rematch, use your brain.
2021-05-17 19:36
9 replies
#149
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Brunei Venicious
It obviously is flashpoint's fault. Just because it isnt anonymos fault means it doesnt have to be replayed? And i need to use my brain? You dont even seem to have one.
2021-05-17 19:38
8 replies
#158
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Brazil RevvivaL
If they broke no rules, then they cant be forced to re-match, use your brain and also I'm sure all these pro players are wrong and youre right.
2021-05-17 19:44
7 replies
#171
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Brunei Venicious
So if no rules are broking, but one team is a game changing disadvantage (which is the organisers fault), its still fair to you? Im using the exact same information as the pro players and i cant understand why they you would disregard in important match that was completely unfair, and can be very easily replayed. There literally is no problem except that anonymo is scared to replay it because they arent confident they will win again.
2021-05-17 19:54
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#175
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Brazil RevvivaL
"There literally is no problem except that anonymo is scared to replay it because they aren't confident they will win again." They have a schedule, ik hard to believe pro teams have that. Anoymno didn't break a rule so they don't have to replay the game.
2021-05-17 19:56
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#180
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Brunei Venicious
Lol youre just acting childish now. They have more than enough space in their schedule. Again, keep believing that as long as 1 team doesnt break the rules it doesnt have to be replayed, except there are a million exceptions to this, like this whole case. But whatever.
2021-05-17 19:58
#209
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Brazil KnGzeera
dude, anonymo's players was trying to offer the possibility of rescheduling the match, they did what was right, they cant be forced to play a game that is literally a second try to NiP. I'm sure that if was a smaller team, like anonymo, trying to rematch against NiP,a giant team, flashpoint would not consider that alternative. :/
2021-05-18 12:25
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#210
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Brunei Venicious
Yes, anonymos players offered that, but flashpoint didn't. Its not NiPs fault that flashpoint forced them to play with lag or forfeit the match. Anonymo won a match in which nip had an unfair handicap because of flashpoints mistakes, so its all wrong. Well never know how it wouldve been were the roles reversed, but I dont think that matters when this match should obviously be replayed. Important things are on the line so why should anonymo be allowed an unfair win which was flashpoints fault?
2021-05-18 12:37
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#212
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Brazil KnGzeera
and u are forgotting that the smaller team payed hshahahaha, literally bulshit this game
2021-05-18 22:18
1 reply
#213
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Brunei Venicious
payed?
2021-05-18 23:04
#143
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Denmark Yikesslol
No they didn't agree to play, they were forced to play. Can people just read?
2021-05-17 19:36
16 replies
#144
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Brazil RevvivaL
2021-05-17 19:37
15 replies
#147
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Denmark Yikesslol
This logic is braindead holy shit. NIP did nothing wrong but they should be punished right?
2021-05-17 19:38
14 replies
#154
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Brazil RevvivaL
This logic is braindead holy shit. Anomyno did nothing wrong but they should be punished right?
2021-05-17 19:43
13 replies
#160
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Denmark Yikesslol
No they shouldn't, but this is simply the most fair solution to the problem. Anonymo won the race, but the car they were racing against only had 1 wheel.
2021-05-17 19:45
11 replies
#163
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Brazil RevvivaL
Then maybe the car with one wheel should have stood up for themselves when it happened not after the game ended.
2021-05-17 19:46
10 replies
#165
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Denmark Yikesslol
Are you this ignorant, have you read anything about this? pbs.twimg.com/media/E1lUZ60XEAAVZ-n?form.. Have a read.
2021-05-17 19:47
9 replies
#169
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Brazil RevvivaL
First of all, you ask like that ss was in this thread or something, maybe you should have sent it before responding 4 times. Second, I want a link to that I have no clue if it's creditable or not. Edit: Act*
2021-05-17 19:50
8 replies
#170
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Denmark Yikesslol
twitter.com/neLendirekt/status/139423842.. This cs reporter replied with it. (It's the rules of any cs tournament)
2021-05-17 19:53
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#172
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Brazil RevvivaL
Each organizer has its own rulebook, so no it's not the rule of any cs tournament. Also if i don't have a link to that i have literally no way to look further into it so idk
2021-05-17 19:54
6 replies
#177
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Denmark Yikesslol
Well, I thought you knew atleast something about the case, since you started calling someone ignorant who stated something you didn't agree with and made your opinion without having looked into it whatsoever.
2021-05-17 19:56
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#179
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Brazil RevvivaL
No, I do, but I can't look into what you are saying directly without a link into it, how the fuck did you take that from what I said?
2021-05-17 19:57
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#181
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Denmark Yikesslol
You're basically saying. "You're ignorant how can you think that? *I link proof* "Well how could I have known if you didn't link that earlier."
2021-05-17 19:59
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#184
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Brazil RevvivaL
You linked a rulebook, without linking the actual rulebook. "I thought you knew atleast something about the case" (atleast something), i missed maybe one thing that you cant fully link and that almost no one mentioned before
2021-05-17 20:01
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#186
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Denmark Yikesslol
If you don't believe what I sent you just find the rulebook lol. ??????????
2021-05-17 20:05
1 reply
#202
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Brazil RevvivaL
Never said i dont believe, just said i cant look more into it, but take it how you want.
2021-05-18 01:30
#211
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Brunei Venicious
Being stripped away an unfair win isnt a punishment, its competetive integrity.
2021-05-18 12:38
Nah in every other sport a rematch won't even be considered.
2021-05-17 19:44
they are trying to make a living, no way any team would take this rematch
2021-05-17 18:59
3 replies
Yes? Tell that to the other guy who said every team would have taken a rematch
2021-05-17 19:00
2 replies
thought I was responding to him, my bad friend :)
2021-05-17 19:03
1 reply
Oh okay mens))
2021-05-17 19:04
Just no
2021-05-17 18:33
lol no Its not their fault that Trashpoint cant manage a RMR event and NiP should have refused to play 3rd map if the issues still existed not cry after losing it.
2021-05-17 18:36
They were willing to play on a different sever, no team would replay a game they won especially not when they were forced to play it by the TO. What's next? If a player discounts the match should be replayed as well? Blame Trashpoint for this mess, Anonymo have done nothing wrong.
2021-05-17 18:40
#89
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Brunei Venicious
Yep you are right, the funny thing is that in their statement they say that "they do everything in the competetive spirit of fair play and NiP does not care about that at all", yet they are doing the complete opposite by declining a rematch since the first match was complete unfair. They are so fucking hypocrite and yet there are people defending them, bunch of trolls.
2021-05-17 19:03
2 replies
thank you mate for not being a malding 12yo pole. i needed that.
2021-05-17 19:08
1 reply
#98
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Brunei Venicious
Its actually insane how many people are retarded on this subject.
2021-05-17 19:08
#127
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Europe Hetixes
they have offered nip changing of servers and nip declined
2021-05-17 19:28
1 reply
dude pls inform yourself before posting. the servers that fp offered all had the same problem. nip didn't decline, only fp declined to let em play on a non-faceit server.
2021-05-17 19:30
ur delusional
2021-05-17 19:37
1 reply
no i've just heard of sportsmanship and i'm a fair player
2021-05-17 19:38
#161
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Poland deepayy
no 0/8
2021-05-17 19:45
1 reply
you're obviously biased. i can never talk sense into you. bye
2021-05-17 19:47
+1
2021-05-17 19:26
+1 wise words
2021-05-17 19:27
okey men))
2021-05-17 18:27
#8
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Germany lor3nz
to replay the match is also unfair and two false decisions do not make a right one
2021-05-17 18:28
6 replies
Ye that is unfair but in the end both teams get to play on equal footing which considerably more fair than just letting NiP lose with disadvantage.
2021-05-17 18:48
You could argue that not giving NiP a fair chance is the false decision, and that playing a rematch is the fairest decision for both parties considering the circumstances. It's not that clear cut
2021-05-17 18:51
3 replies
Allowing the rematch puts NiP in a win-win situation. They could either win the original match or ask for a rematch if they lost. The right thing to do was to reschedule. If play continued for whatever reason, the results should stand.
2021-05-17 19:38
2 replies
But if flashpoint's investigation showed that the disadvantage was so massive that NiP never had a reasonable chance to win the match in the first place, that argument quickly crumbles. The protocols for replaying a match are stated in the flashpoint rules, claiming that finished matches should stand no matter what doesn't make a lot of sense from the perspective of the letter of the law.
2021-05-17 19:42
1 reply
#190
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Argentina WaSTe_D
To be fair, last map ended in OT so you cant really argue there was no chance to win the match
2021-05-17 20:16
Good thing this isnt a wrong decision then.
2021-05-17 20:47
#13
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United Kingdom BotTechz
True say, I don't know why NIP is getting so much hate. With online events, there is so much that can go wrong and so many variables to account for. Even the British parliament encounter issues. I understand Anonymo are the underdogs and people are saying NIP are bad losers and can't be seen losing to these guys, but as stated above - they clearly had issues and that was unfair. A replay of the series or even 1 decisive match seems fair right?
2021-05-17 18:29
Yes, but still there was no need for nip to make such a big fuss about it knowing full well a small org like anonymo would be very pressured from it all.
2021-05-17 18:29
1 reply
?? anonymo made the fuss nip just filed a complaint to Flashpoint with evidence, Flashpoint (and Valve) decided NiP were right and the game should be replayed. This whole thing started when Anonymo tweeted about being pressured to accept a rematch. Which is false, because they weren't being pressured to accept - the decision had already been made.
2021-05-17 20:56
Anonymo also seem to not care about the unfair circumstances for NIP. Yes, they were kind enough to wait while NIP tried to solve it, but they're totally okay with the win despite of the problems. If they were true sportsmen they would say yes to a rematch. I personally wouldn't feel good knowing I won due to my opponents having a clear disadvantage.
2021-05-17 18:29
13 replies
How NiP managed to win first map 16-3? Nobody fckin answer me when I ask this Why couldn't they win on second map too? Believe them more you fool, they had just some minor spikes otherwise faceit would not allow the game to start...They saw their lags and those were minor Also if player has 30% loss YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE IT, because he is teleporting check on youtube
2021-05-17 18:35
12 replies
no, you're wrong
2021-05-17 18:36
4 replies
yeah typical danish answer I said that 30% loss make you teleport and you can check this on YT: youtube.com/watch?v=sB8MDHO0QkA Why we couldn't see A SINGLE situation like that on stream? :) Why Faceit won't post demo from the game so we can see how they lagged? You can only say shitty 'no' because you don't have any arguments
2021-05-17 18:38
1 reply
#47 edit: also, on stream you're not watching it from the players POV, as there is such a thing as GOTV
2021-05-17 18:48
#35
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Poland Vissi
no, he is right, try to play on 30% loss, I guarantee that you will not even know what is happening on server
2021-05-17 18:39
1 reply
it doesn't matter what loss you play on, the problem is if it is fluctuating, which it was, as confirmed by faceit admins
2021-05-17 18:45
It question for anonymous. How they loses team with high loss.(bcs they just t3 trash) Also device talked about problems with loss after 1 map
2021-05-17 18:40
If they were just minor NIP would not make such a big deal out of it. Besides you can literally see in the chat logs that they are complaining a lot about lag on the first map despite it being won by them 16-3. They were also forced to play despite of it. twitter.com/neLendirekt/status/139423842..
2021-05-17 18:41
4 replies
How NiP managed to win first map 16-3? Nobody fckin answer me when I ask this Why couldn't they win on second map too? You too didn't answer ;) Because you have no answers This is how 30-40% looks like: youtube.com/watch?v=sB8MDHO0QkA I think even I would wreck device with 40% loss ;)
2021-05-17 18:42
3 replies
They didn't play with 30-40% constantly... NIP and Device have clearly stated that they were experiencing spikes.
2021-05-17 18:44
2 replies
How NiP managed to win first map 16-3? Nobody fckin answer me when I ask this Why couldn't they win on second map too? Also if they had at least ONE 30% spike we would see it on demo, because that player with 30% spike would start to teleport/stutter
2021-05-17 18:45
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Bro it's irrelevant whether they won or not. They technically found the issue that was causing the lag... thus proving they had lag, giving anonymo an unfair advantage... Why should they even have to win the first map with a disadvantage? Never mind winning the second map. The facts are kinda out now so why you relying on it? The fact they won with a proven disadvantage shows that they would have won the whole series. So wrf
2021-05-17 18:59
Why don't you ask Anonymo how they managed to lose 16-3 vs a team that experienced major lag issues? Why the fuck are you asking us that question? It's been confirmed that NiP experienced major lag issues, the issues were severe enough for flashpoint to rule that a fucking rematch is appropiate. It's also been WELL DOCUMENTED that NiP were complaining about the lags DURING FIRST MAP AS WELL.
2021-05-17 18:43
Yes and no. It's a bit more complicated than that. They did win with an unfair advantage, but Nip themselves said that they accepted the loss. And then 2 days later they turn around and want a rematch. The initial game should have never taken place, but it has taken place, and declaring it void is not fair either as Anonymo had to show all their preparation and pocket strats in it
2021-05-17 18:29
5 replies
when did they accept the loss?
2021-05-17 18:36
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After the game NiP org tweeted that they had lags but Anonymo played good and they accept the loss and in secret they wrote to faceit for a rematch, snakes
2021-05-17 18:43
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I mean, it was a social media manager who wrote that. If he/she isnt getting comments from management, what are you supposed to do?
2021-05-17 18:51
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The social media manager doesn't publish an official statement representing the whole org without being given the okay by the higher-ups in the org
2021-05-17 19:11
1 reply
it was a just after the game tweet though
2021-05-17 20:11
yes blame flashpoint and faceit, not either team
2021-05-17 18:32
#21
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Poland Menaheer
0/8
2021-05-17 18:32
GeT is literally _RiGhT
2021-05-17 18:33
There never should have been a game! What are Anonymo supposed to do, just give away a victory they RIGHTFULLY COMPETED for? Once Flashpoint admins and producers decided to go ahead with the match, which was a mistake, they should also let the result stand.
2021-05-17 18:37
I agree as well. However, there are many factors to consider. First, NIP themselves said they accepted the loss, only for them to go back on their word and replay the match without Anonymo agreeing. Secondly, this is more of flashpoint's fault, since I believe flashpoint admins made the call to continue the match. They could have rescheduled the match, which is still a big deal, but replaying the match is much worse. What's done is done, and NIP using their influence to replay the match is terrible.
2021-05-17 18:37
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Apparently, they used the rulebook. I don't believe Anonymo should accept, but the rulebook basically said they have to. Shit rules tbh
2021-05-17 18:42
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The rulebook also said NIP had to continue with the match. twitter.com/neLendirekt/status/139423842.. "They must not under any circumstances stop the match"
2021-05-17 18:50
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yep. shitty
2021-05-17 20:08
yeah but try telling that to people on hltv, they feed on hatred :D
2021-05-17 18:38
I agree with with you, my furry friend!
2021-05-17 18:42
+1 neither teams are at fault "The Polish team added that they offered to postpone the match when the network issues were brought up - just two rounds into the series - and that this solution was not accepted by FACEIT." it's simply faceit / flashpoints bad for handling the situation poorly. of course it kinda is a bitchmove to replay the game now but i can fully understand that from nips standpoint since this tournament is pretty important
2021-05-17 18:47
Dude, NIP are just mad because they lost against a T2 polish team, now they're trying to find an excuse to justify their defeat, like bro, have you already played with 5 % packet loss ? It's literally impossible to play, you cant move or shoot correctly, so tell how NIP won overpass 16-3 with 30% or 40% against fucking pro players ??? Just tell me
2021-05-17 18:47
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They played with constant 2%-5% packet loss with random spikes of up to 30%. For example in device's 1v1 clutch on mirage against snax, he literally could not move for a while
2021-05-17 18:52
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yeah but like I said, you cant play with 5% of packet loss, same for 2%
2021-05-17 18:53
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That's just not true. Playing with 2% packet loss is obviously a huge disadvantage, but you can still win rounds with good tactics. Anonymo looked completely lost on ovp, they don't play that map. NiP is super good on it strategically, NiP winning like this even with lag is understandable.
2021-05-17 18:57
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#84
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Poland Roxin
source of this constant 2% loss?
2021-05-17 19:00
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No source, but flashpoint's statement made it clear that NiP's claims were true
2021-05-17 19:23
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#118
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Poland Roxin
there is no way they had constant 2% loss, they admitted that they had spikes around 30-40%
2021-05-17 19:25
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Why is there no way? Because you can't imagine anonymo being this bad?
2021-05-17 19:34
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#167
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Poland Roxin
No cuz it didnt look like they had any loss while popping off heads like they did
2021-05-17 19:48
Find an excuse for their loss? The "excuse" were there after third round lol
2021-05-17 18:53
1 reply
they are lying
2021-05-17 18:53
A reasonable person realises that if nip werent in the right, flashpoint wouldnt have called for a replay.. But given how dumb you seem to be Im sure you believe in some conspiracy theory about nip paying flashpoint or some dumb shit like that..
2021-05-17 18:55
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lmao, NIP is a huge org, they just have to put some pressure on Flashpoint and they will get the rematch
2021-05-17 18:57
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Jesus fucking christ go back to school. There should be an iq requirement for using the internet..
2021-05-17 18:59
If they werent in the right, then flashpoint wouldnt have called for a replay. For nip to take the hit would literally be pulling their pants down and bending over.
2021-05-17 18:48
NiP should have refused to play the game, then a rematch might not have looked so bad. Instead they played it and therefore also accepted the game and it's result. They even said so themselves, you can't then later go back on your word and demand a rematch. And what would have happened if NiP won? Would they also have demanded a rematch, I expect playing against someone with 40% packet loss can sometimes be annoying and maybe lead to missed shots. But somehow I doubt NiP would have cared if they won.
2021-05-17 18:49
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Refusing could easily result in being disqualified. It was either them playing with lag or Disqualification.
2021-05-17 18:52
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Maybe, sometimes you have to take a stance, and like I said when you chose to play the game you also accept the results then. You can't have it both ways. We lose ---> We want a rematch. We win ----> We cool, let's continue in upper bracket guys.
2021-05-17 18:56
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The best option would probably have been for both teams to refuse to play. That would leave Flashpoint with the option of disqualifying BOTH teams or actually find a solution. I doubt Anonymo feels good about winning when their opponents are at a disadvantage due to lag.
2021-05-17 18:59
Also if you didn’t know. Anonymo ceo/manager (not sure who) was talking to the admins to try to dq nip cuz nip didn’t want to play cuz of the lag. (Source can be found on le Reddit)
2021-05-18 03:11
As the guy above me said, they were forced to play it out or forfeit.
2021-05-17 18:56
2021-05-17 20:01
2021-05-17 18:49
++++++1
2021-05-17 18:52
no they arent xd
2021-05-17 18:53
The problem is that : you don't reapet matches in sport even if referee fu** up. Period. That's simply. NiP are powerfull enough to push flashpoint to do rematch - after all - did flashpoitn make NIP internet so bad during the game ? Or annonymo ?
2021-05-17 18:54
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+1, neither team are to blame, its just unfortunate what happened with NiP, if the game wasnt going to be postponed they shouldve just accepted the loss.. because now no matter what happens neither team will be happy. besides, its not like its an eliminator. why should anonymo suffer because of problems between faceit and nip connection issues. anonymo gave it their all during that match, showing their strats etc to nip. so now its clear than anonymo will have a massive disadvantage going into the rematch. again i want to make it clear that, IT IS NEITHER NIP OR ANONYMOS FAULT, but that a rematch is just completely stupid. if this was the case, all sports would have rematches if their were mistakes from referees or admins
2021-05-17 19:13
#70
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Finland sant3rii
no i think they are left
2021-05-17 18:55
One of the users posted complete gotv chat images. In one of them nip players are literally spamming the admin that they are facing lag and the admin is like "everybody is ready, we can start", reminded me of mario yamasaki from ufc lmaoo
2021-05-17 18:56
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All that damn admit said was "We're live", "Not live" and "Ready?". I thought he/she was really annoying xD
2021-05-17 19:01
I can understand device’s frustration
2021-05-17 19:32
-1
2021-05-17 19:00
+111111111
2021-05-17 19:03
True nip is right it's called a fair game. Im hoping for Lan to comeback and fix shit like this bc then nobody can downplay results
2021-05-17 19:04
#102
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Poland kad_xqd13
Blame goes to: 1. Flashpoint for not realizing the technical issue was on their side and not rescheduling the game until the problem gets fixed. 2. Anonymo for behaving like children, exerting pressure on Flashpoint to dq NIP during the match, not abiding by the ruling made by the organizer and valve, crying on twitter and spreading conspiracies that "NIP pressured Flashpoint on a business level" 3. Pro players for giving in to the mob without looking at the evidence and throwing baseless accusations at NIP management. (special criticism goes to gla1ve for proving he's not as smart as I thought he was).
2021-05-17 19:12
It's Flashpoint's fault, but problem is that Anonymo is also a victim now with the rematch. NIP should just take the L and let Flashpoint get the bad press
2021-05-17 19:12
#108
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Russia NOD777
Sadly braindeads here can’t read for five minutes and will always hate nip
2021-05-17 19:13
Flashpoint just wasn't able to communicate correctly, and therefore NiP and Anonymo weren't able to come to a conclusion/agreement. Now Anonymo and NiP have a twitter beef going on even though neither of them are wrong. Although you have to say, that both teams handled the situation just poorly.
2021-05-17 19:18
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+1 this is 100% on Flashpoint, and it would be aad to see a team suffer from their actions. So to minimize the damage, a rematch is the only logical conclusion at this point.
2021-05-17 19:29
#112
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Estonia Mrkruvi
+1
2021-05-17 19:18
"NIP is literally right". Wtf, i just looked at my right and saw REZ, shit is spooky!
2021-05-17 19:23
3 replies
Germany humor))
2021-05-17 19:28
2 replies
Good humor
2021-05-17 19:32
1 reply
Jermans, cya in comedian club Jermans, lmao masserfakers.
2021-05-17 19:57
Nope as a Nip fan they are not right, flashpoint fault anonymo Didnt deserves such a shit from bott sides
2021-05-17 19:26
+1 there ks nothing more needed to be said. I’m tired of biased Polack kids.
2021-05-17 19:27
Anonymo would be wasted spot anyway, NIP has a good lineup that can get into final.
2021-05-17 19:40
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#168
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Finland SamulisS
and they lost XDDD
2021-05-17 19:49
#153
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Sweden Pepega
+1
2021-05-17 19:42
Whether it was constant packet loss or spikes, I think it would have been much better if NIP just owns the loss and attend the further event by showing their actual caliber. Instead of pressurizing Anonymo for a replay match, that is much worse. What if NIP loses again, then they will be known as clowns. If playing at 30-40% loss is not fair, then replaying the match is not fair also.
2021-05-17 19:44
yes but nip should not act how they did and its not fair on anonymos part that they have to replay it as they won and they even offered compremises to play the game so they should be given compensation but its not fair to them to replay.
2021-05-17 19:44
+1 totally
2021-05-17 19:47
+1
2021-05-17 19:55
I'm yet to see the people arguing against a rematch use an argument that hasn't already been debunked lol
2021-05-17 19:55
Just cancel the whole tournament already. No matter what they do now, either nip och anonymo will be treated unfairly. Never let Flashpoint host any major related tournament ever again. This will not only affect the players in nip or anonymo but also all those bettors who lost money because of this scandal. I really hope bettors gets their money back.
2021-05-17 20:26
Both of them are "right". Flashpoint is the failure
2021-05-17 20:26
+1111 and the fucking rules state that you need to finnish the match first then you can even talk about reschedule/replay
2021-05-17 20:26
I´m a NIP fan but this is bullshit.
2021-05-17 20:37
The thing no one is talking about for some reason is the rulebook. The possibility of a rematch was always part of the tournament rules, if a team should file a valid complaint about a match. Anonymo agreed to these rules when they entered the tournament. Discussion stops here.
2021-05-17 21:02
So why should anon be punished and have to re prepare and play a pointless match for them?
2021-05-17 22:29
Flashpoints fault
2021-05-17 22:30
Let's hope flashpoints learn from this and fix the server problems in the future
2021-05-18 03:59
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