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nip players/nip have legit no fault in this
they followed the rules and didn’t shit talk anyone except the server hosts
so I’m confused why nip is being hassled on for flashpoint’s decision
Because hltv users for some reason don’t wanna do due diligence and look up the objective facts
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youtube.com/watch?v=7Iyg-odznLU&t=2s&ab_..
noone was flaming the players,
but there is good reason to flame the org
watch the video, ik but is actual good video
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uhhh LOL????? ok check this image seriously.
i.imgur.com/7rVRuln.png
imgur of R.Lewis convo with me .....
I can't grasp how an esports journalist can defend a result that isn't won on equal playing fields.
Literally, you're an esports journalist, you should be the pinnacle of match competitiveness being EQUAL between all teams and if ONE side OR the other can prove that ONLY they got handicapped by the TO, then surely the decision to replay is the ONLY decision that should exist.
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Exactly! I think this aspect is being downplayed WAY to much. Yes, its unfair for Anonymo because they did nothing wrong, but do you know what anonymo didn't do either? They did NOT win an equal match! They did NOT win a fair matchup! Its like taking a child in a wheelchair and making him fight the biggest bully and calling it a fair boxing match!
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there is never such a thing as equal match online, every time there will be something
and how did they manage to win 16-3 and go to overtime, scoring insane hs?
and yes anonymo did upset nip which would be 1/20 games and most likely they will not be able to win once again thats why its robbery. If Anonymo would lose with lags, no one would care.
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A lot of presumptions, but no actual arguments.
"there is never such a thing as equal match online" lmao
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I respect your opinion ofcourse. But yes me personally would prefer it not to be replayed. Only way this could have been resolved with everyone happy is if they would have postponed the match from the start.
I guess no matter what flashpoint or the teams do now people will get mad either way xd
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the problem is I dont see how its a punishment for anonymo. Its an opportunity to show they dont need a disabled enemy to win. Just yesterday they lost to fucking AGO
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welcome to the PL scene bro)) we can lose to everyone and won vs everyone
I don't think they can win it XD, they barely won in OT with opposite team having loss, but hey a win is a win and they are not at fault here, flashpoint is. So i still think its unfair for them. If they still manage to win somehow in the rematch, it'll be a disaster for NiP. Can't imagine the laugh threads XD
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Opportunity? But you take away a win from them. Nip trashed them on ovp while having bad Packet loss. On the next maps they have the same "problems" and lose. The only ones at fault are fn trashpoint. But how often do games get replayed? Olofpass (which was eventually forfeited) and what other game? This is a mess but taking away anonymos win away would create an even bigger mess.
Faceit rule book literally says to play out the game then file complaints or bring up issues after the fact, that’s exactly what NiP did and now they’re the baddies?
Anonymo made it worse when Faceit and NiP were trying to sort it out by pressuring faceit to start the match again
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so how exactly did anonymo made it worse? they offered to play on an other server or reschedule the game.
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+1 the problem now is, how do you solve this mess? In the end, it fucks over one of the teams, but which one will it fuck over less?
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That's where you are wrong. Anonymo actually never offered to postpone the match. Only the players did, but the guy from the org (which is what matters) repeatedly reminded the flashpoint of the existing rules and never mentioned a rescheduling. Which is in his right of course, but it's the literal opposite of offering a rematch.
The fact that in their statement they claimed to have offered a rematch makes them even more scummy
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lukerey = proof of someone who doesnt care to read the facts just blindly hops on the hate-wagon CHOO CHOO!
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u don't fully know the facts either tho - none of us tho
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Everything I say is completely based off of the information that is public, and that's what people should do
Wild speculations and assumptions only make things worse
If more new Information comes out it will change my view point. I don't like speaking out of my ass and making assumptions, the Information that's public shows that it's neither nip not anymomo fault
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what the two organizations are saying isn't necessarily facts either tho
do you believe everything your PM says, too?
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Did you understand what I was saying? Making speculations and assumptions that are not verifiable by any source or information that is public literally archives nothing, it's conspiracy theory at that point.
The information that's public indicates that nip are not in wrong and that's what I'll say.
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sure, I don't believe that NiP are in the wrong when it comes to the tech issues and what caused them
but you have to look at the broader picture, which is the business aspect. I honestly don't think that we would've seen a such escalation had the roles been reversed. NiP is one of the biggest orgs in esports, and flashpoint know they can't withstand a PR attack from them
NiP have completely taken over - flashpoint even stated in a now edited tweet, that NiP were the ones offering the different options for anonymo considering the format of the eventual rematch - why aren't flashpoint the ones doing that?
I think it all looks sus af - not with the tech issues, but with how it's been handled afterwards
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Speculations and assumptions that's all this is
Similarly one can speculate that anynomo were forcing faceit to give nip Forfeit defeat cause of delay(there are SC of conversations), similarly one can speculate that anynomo were purposely playing the victim card and gas lighting the community by making wild and. Unverifiable accusations in their official tweet.
Every thing is possible with "ifs". This whole pressure thing is just a speculation, nip could very well have just submitted an official request but anynomo tweeting their "we are under the impression that nip are pressuring..." has skewed everyone opinions. All just speculations
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exactly. hence it doesn't make any sense for you to call people out for taking different stands on the matter
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The rematch was going to happen anyway but NIP made them an offer to choose if they want to play the whole bo3 again or just the last map. That's a pretty kind offer from NIPs side, they could force them to play the entire bo3 again, but instead they let Anonymo decide what fits them better.
Did you understand what I was saying? Making speculations and assumptions that are not verifiable by any source or information that is public literally archives nothing, it's conspiracy theory at that point.
The information that's public indicates that nip are not in wrong and that's what I'll say.
It's entirely possible that nip are lying but it's also similarly possible that anynomo are lying and playing victim here. None of those claims can be verified, just conspiracy theories
Because it fits your agenda to not believe that?
NIP players (no coach or managers in RMR) were given the options to play or forfeit. Of course they will pick the only way they have a chance to win.
Anonymo knew NIP had issues all game long, and still act like they won a fair game and even made fun of the NIP issues after the game. No respect for Snax left.
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you are missing the point again then... NIP is crying on social media like children but they are a pro organization. both flashpoint and NIP could have acted more professionally... and valve for that matter
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if that is the case they both need to examine their use of social media -- i just heard about the vodka comment from anonymo but that is it --- i think esports and cs have come along way and would love to see it continue to elevate professionally
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if it was a joke why force a rematch? seems childish but at the end of the day some of these guys are still teenagers
i break your legs and dare you to race me
if you say its unfair i will call you a crying bitch
sounds fair right?
nip is disgsuting ewwwwwwwwwwww
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im not even cheering for nip
NiP isnt to blame here, they did everything right according to rules, they were forced to finish that game and only after it ended they were able to write a complain or sth more.
On the other hand you had anonymo that were pressuring fp to give nip disqualification even tho nip / fp were doing everything they could to fix the issue
Hard truth yeah? Ano isnt poor victims of that drama
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i read it, other than that they were doing some childish meme on twitter, like cmon, they are playin a fucking valve event and yet, they dont know shit to act properly in that case
rematch for me isnt the right move either but ano winning vs nip on lags isnt right win too, i dont know what would be the best solution cuz no matter that, one side will be victim
I think its amusing that Anonymo continued to play that game, while they were fully aware they had an unfair advantage never had aforethought of a potential backlash.
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so they should just stop playing? and then get dq for someone else problem? why nip continued playing with lags? they have brain, they know that they gonna have disadvantage
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that's right, because of DQ
are u dumb or what?
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So they should have forfeited because their opponents don't have a backup internet or because flashpoint can't organize a proper event.
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We all know flashpoint is the culprit here, but Anonymo playing the victim game seems a bit devious.
"The decision follows a request submitted by NIP, whose players experienced connection issues throughout the series"
Nip pressured a better team once again
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You're looking at it from a neutral view, that's your mistake. Nip is snake org and should be expected to do such moves
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why replaying a match if guys cant win against dudes with bad internet, then they stand zero chance against the same people but with good connection.
its not like if someone had bad conditions the match should be replayed regardless of the result. There is a rematch for a reason: nip's loss was heavily guided by bad internet. now teams are in as equal conditions as you can get online
They are being low... they played the bo3 until the very end, the outcome was supposed to be overturned ONLY in case of a legit cheat/throw. Connection issues NEVER overturned any CS match ever, at least on pro level.
If they had beaten Anonymo, they would never as for a rematch, since they lost, here we are.
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Well in that case Trashpoint don't even care about cheats. Trashpoint 3 qualifiers were full of cheaters and many teams who got eliminated by them never got to replay any of those games which they lost playing against cheaters.
y would they lol? if anonymo lose with an advantage its just proves anonymo are that shite..now anonymo dont have any claims regarding the matter why would nip ask for a rematch then
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By they offered you mean NiP. Right?
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The match was originally scheduled for Sunday, May 16th, but is currently being rescheduled and no official re-match time has been confirmed. NiP offered Anonymo to choose between playing the full BO3 or only the last map.
This was their follow up to their official statement which they deleted afterwards
Why do you think they did that?
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Yes anynomo was given the offer to choose
That alone is a generous thing for nip to do, considering they were fucked just as much as anynomo in this situation
Leave it to flashpoint, they'd probably force the whole bo3 rematch
As for why the tweet was deleted, is because anynomo handle the situation extremely poorly, they went on to social media saying stuff like nip were pressuring flashpoint for rematch and stuff to rile the community up. Naturally a lot of tweets had to be deleted cause anynomo couldn't keep things civil and started playing the victim card saying stuff like "we speculate nip are pressuring...."
Literally who tf makes such wild accusations and assumptions in an official statement. Clearly they were trying to rile people up
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Looks like NiP deleted the tweet because they realized they can use their influence to get a rematch which they don't deserve because they first themselves said that the issues were fixed going into 3rd map but then cried about losses after losing.
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If the issues still existed then why did NiP continued playing? Don't you think that they should have forfeited in protest bcz of Trashpoint's mismanagement? They tried their best to win but they lost.
Anonymo did nothing wrong but still they are getting punished.
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ur literally malding so hard over something that doesn't concern u at all lmfao
why are u wasting ur time on this shit
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>calling people who disagree with your views stupid, conspiracy theorists, etc.
ah yes, very nice discussions
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well, nobody cares about what you want) Valve and Flashpoint were presented all the evidence
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Flashpoint. NiP only filed an official complaint for replay after the match with proofs that problem was not on team's end. Everything according to rules.
Then Flashpoint asked Anonymo how many maps should be replayed. This is a stupid rules that in case of a problems on TO's end you have to lose and only then you can ask for fair conditions and to fix their shit, but it is what it is.
I have some doubts. Is the Trident-VP match (CIS RMR) eligible to be replayed, since Trident players faced power cuts? What happened was they had to forfeit the map. The problem was on Trident's side, just like it was on NiP's side in this case. So why does NiP get a rematch but they don't?
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>The problem was on Trident's side, just like it was on NiP's side in this case. So why does NiP get a rematch but they don't?
How is everyone on hltv sooo misinformed? After so long, after so many articles? How? Just how are people this ignorant?? The only reason there is rematch is because the problem WAS NOT ON IN NIP SIDE!!
Jesus, flashpoint themselves confirmed it was flashpoint issue and nip couldn't have done anything to solve it hence the re match. If it was nip issue there would have been no rematch
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And what exactly did Anonymo do wrong to get punished in all this?
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Okay, I see. I was a bit busy the past few days. To me, the first thing that occured was, if NiP was playing from Poland (for example), using a Polish ISP, this problem wouldn't have occurred, right? Because anonymo didn't face any problems. The problem of the swedish ISP not allowing packets to pass through to the flashpoint server was the problem, I think. So, why is it not NiP's fault is my first question. If something like "but NiP is from Sweden, not their fault" was an argument, that holds for Trident as well.
But if you say that the problem was specifically on Flashpoint's side that they somehow didn't allow NiP's packets to come in, regardless of which ISP was used, then you are correct. Is that the case?
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They did tweet about the issues being fixed going into 3rd map but after losing it the tweet got deleted and they started crying about losses. Didn't they?
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this is why I call BS, if the lag really came back then they could have just replied to themselves something like "nvm :("
but they didn't
Anonymo fans acting Like it was fair and deserved win. If thats True, they will beat NIP again, prove to everyone that they are better team and every NIP fan will be ashamed. If Anonymo will get stomp, NiP will prove that they were right about it and every Anonymo fan will be ashamed 🤷♀️
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nice logic
I don’t know if HLTV users hate NIP, but the right decision is just to blame Flashpoint admins. As far as I know, NiP didn’t text admins for a rematch, i think Flashpoint were trying to avoid hate from the community but as a result it got even worse
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Oh really? Didn’t know about that. If its true, it changes the situation
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#46 Basically this
Also the 1st statement tweet by flashpoint said NiP offered Anonymo to either play full bo3 or the 3rd map xDDDDDDDDDDD JUST IMAGINE THAT
(They deleted that tweet and followed up with a reworded tweet after twitter went ham with memes)
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Actually dumb or didn't bother read a single thing properly?
Nip were forced to play the game by admins or they'd be DQed/awarded FF defeat
At that nip didn't know if the fault was on thier side or faceit server side so they couldn't afford to be DQed/take Forfeit loss
Now that it has been confirmed it's not thier fault at all, they have every right to demand a rematch cause they were forced to play with unfair disadvantage with no fault of their own
The reasons for nip hate
1. Every team gets 30 mins to check the server before match starts .nip didn't inform about this issue before match started ( if it was trashpoint setting which led to packet loss thn it must have been same before match also) match could have been easily rescheduled if it was not restarted .
2 . After game re started (1-1) , they shd have simply refused to play n take a L thn investigate n submit evidence to trashpoint (30% packet loss is ALOT) . If it would have happened , no one would have problem with rescheduling the match.
3. After result of map 1 nip thought they could have easily win other map also despite having packet loss n they lost but issue here is it was simply a FREE ROLL . If they would have won both maps everybody would say "look nip won dispite having 40% packet loss" n no rescheduling n whn lose just reschedule .. there is no lose for nip here.. only for anonymo.
4. Nip social media somehow announced they didn't face any packet loss in map 3 , contradicting the device statement.
Now m not saying its 100% nip fault , but its 5% nip n 95% trashpoint fault n somehow Anonymo has to replay for others fault
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THIS
According to Flashpoint, the match admin ordered the teams to play on despite NIP’s complaints as a decision to postpone a match cannot be made simply because one team claims to have issues. The organizer confirmed that an Anonymo player suggested in the in-game chat that the match could be played on another day due to the issues experienced by NIP's players, but since this possibility was not presented via the official channels, it was not taken into consideration
(Taken from the replay thread)
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there was a deleted nip tweet where they said they were only being affected on the first 2 maps and then some vpn thing fixed it for them for the third. so i dont see how the mirage they played is any less legit than the rematch one (theyre only replaying third map)
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#clownsinpyjamas #trashpoint
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#Trashpoint
#NothinginPaypal
#NumerousInternetProblems
#NoInternetPayments (because device too expensive ;( )
Flashpoint should share the rulebook that is used in the tournament. As a TO they should apply their rules to solve these kinds of situations. If the community disagrees with the rules I guess it’s a good idea to change them to FUTURE situations. To not apply the rulebook to past situations due to loud voices on twitter is a mistake tho
The lack of transparancy from Flashpoint/FACEIT created this entire drama imho.
ppl just sad lives nothing else to do than hate
I think if it happened with anonymo, it would not be replayed and I think it is very lame and unfair. Expect people to never support NiP aside from devices diehard dane fans and swedes.
Both teams are victims to the overall incompetence of Flashpoint; hence the cordial and formal apology they sent out. I will admit NiP didn't handle the situation accordingly but what else were they to do? They filed a complaint and then the situation was blown out of proportion by users not knowing all of the facts beforehand.
Only organisation to blame is Flashpoint, plain and simple.
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Great to see you again, friend.
Indeed Jonty.
I fail to understand how an organisation that choose to stand tall and speak for their team and their players is to be blamed... I mean, if we were part of an org in a similar situation, wouldn't we want to have our own org behind and supporting you? Unless you're polish...
Flashpoint is the only one to blame period.
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Completely agree with you, I'm glad our thoughts are shared on the matter.
The common argument currently is that if Anonymo originally complained and then were the team with the lag, nothing would've been done.
This is conjecture... we don't know that for certain.
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And they are probably right but, that doesn't mean that NiP org had to stood still !
They got behind they team and their players and that's the minimum we can expect from an organisation like NiP.
Not understanding this simple fact is a mistery to me :|
no reason to hate nip org HASDHSAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
are u new?
You guys must see how positive this is for Anonymo!
They went from nobody to having the chance of selling t-shirts saying
"We've got f****d by NiP & Trashpoint"
Be postive mens!
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I actually did some detailed reading and checking up. In all cases when it is the fault of the team in literally any way, there's no rematch. But this case is kinda different. No matter what ISP NiP chose, the Flashpoint server just didn't allow all packets to pass through, and there's nothing NiP could have done. They deserve a rematch.
winning bo3 by anonymo (nip fought tooth and nails in this bo3) was a way to SURVIVE in this match, if the lost it they wouldnt have a chance at all (0 chance), for anonymo this bo3 was like semifinals and the replay was the final,
for nip this bo3 was a freeroll, and the replay was the final
thats why nip had 2 chances and its no fair to have 2 chances vs 1 chance
and on top of that, nip ASKED for 2 chances, nip ASKED for this match to not be fair, they are not stupid, they fully acknowledged that that wouldnt be fair at all = nip ceo scammer
and some u say about "competitive integrity" "sportsmanlike behaviour" "justice", guys NIP dont have it in their dictionary
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