Someone update me on what's going on, they are still playing so many matches on ESEA advanced, and European Development Championship games, etc.
If they are really cheating, how can they not be banned yet?
If they are not cheating, why ESIC and Valve posting on HLTV?
I'm not wrong though. Show me device or Zywoo calling Akuma cheaters.
You can't, because they actually have a good understanding of the game, unlike some washed up coach whos only tactic is "wait till the last 10 seconds, then rush in and try to plant".
I told you which people on hltv confirmed who said they were most likely cheating. If zywoo comes on hltv and says they are clean then I respect your argument but none of the 4 invited guests did say akuma were just good players.
How about the time when they rushed long on ovp two separate times, when no one was watching it on early timings? Or when sensei peeked mou in the most stupid timing ever, but it was clearly in favor of him? Or when he hard-cleared deko standing in off-angle in bathrooms? Or when Sergiz was going going to throw mollie, but switched in the exact moment CTs left close positions? Or how sensei peaked dust b doors without throwing smoke on ct and never checking any positions there?
You guys are delusional
its normal to look at radar every second? and ignore a guy that literally shows up on your screen and not react to it because you're so focused on radar? Kid talk to me when you have a scene if thats how you think I can see why Chinese CS is dog shit
Nafany, hampus, valde, blad3 and 14 out of 16 cis team think they are cheating and have made an appeal.
ESIC believes there is matchfixing using cheats.
But somehow, u think u know better.
Typical silver in hltv, come back when u can achieve even a fraction of what these guys did in csgo, then maybe someone would care about ur opinion
where can you see it? He clearly explained why he thinks so on the podcast, is this a "butthurt"? Or are nafany, hampus, valde and other unrelated to RMR pros (even Dima from valorant lmao) butthurting too? Have you ever seen that clips btw? Can you explain them? If they're not enough to just suspect them in cheating, I don't understand what should happen to change your mind
> Neither are the free tears of the 12 year old navi fan base
And of course you're so "smart" to blame NaVi at the same time when most of the accusations appeared after VP had lost to them.
I'm really confused whether you're baiting or not
I guess some private investigation is still going, but I think there are no real evidence (if they were really cheating ofc).
So they pass through the qualifiers stage through and they'll be in next rmr
I'd like to see them use this hypetrain to promote themselves
if I remember correctly, they were accused for watching a stream with no delay from third party, and not for cheating. And, that is quite difficult to be proven since there is no camera that shows the entire player's activity on that moment
of course it is considered as cheating and if they are proven guilty then I would love to see them getting punished for that. What I mean when I wrote that was kind of hacks or word.exe or whatever you called it
Around the time when you watch the vod after the game... They even fined vitality for leaving a screen with the stream on, that noone could see. Witch was understandable, considering all the streamsniping that took place before that.
well, maybe because u r not smart enough(as most of the users in this thread), i would say it in better way, but censorship, u know
they have used radar app in a portable device with the CSGOTV with no delay, which is provided to a lot of people connected with tournament and betting
so this cannot be detected
The question at this point is rather whether there is any investigation going on at all. I would love to get some feedback on that. If there is then we wait, if there isn't then they are innocent.
Regardless, they helped the scene and I am thankful. The following tournaments will have to react even if Volvo doesn't. Counter measures for cheating in tournament is a must and there should be a minimum of what must be done in order to keep the integrity of the games - i.e TeamSpeak, Anti-Cheat, Cameras on player screens, OTV delay, perhaps even implement banning secondary screens around the player stations.
Everyone knows that this is a radarhack or a stream with delay etc., all demos and cuts from streams talk about it, but there's no way to check it. The only true option is to calculate from the action during the game with help of the provider and check the history from network, but no one has the authority to do this, only a criminal case, which no one will initiate, so we can only hope that someday there will be a person who will tell the whole truth with proof... and akuma's players don't have the conscience to confess
It's because the way they cheated is not really going to harm them. They didn't use hacks or smth, just being provided with real-time data from the stream so they abused that. And it's really not proof for anybody to remove them, if anything they should really keep towards the org that hosted the event and maybe sue them for not making things safe, aka "real-time stream", "teamspeak records" etc. Teams already saw that akuma had more information then usual, they know they streamsniped the games, they just want future events to not have such things so players can't abuse it.
I think they just cannot have enough evidence to prove Akuma was cheating as EPIC league had no anti-cheating. Something that b1ad3 said like peek timings and some other cam video is not supportive enough.
You don't accusate someone and get them banned the day after. There need to be serious evidence to do so. Yes, they were looking at the radar in multiple occasions, but I wouldn't ban people just because of that, there's no certainty that they were cheating. Again, it was suspicious, but we've seen many pros do suspicious stuff, be accused and not get banned cause they were simply not cheating.
They're still not dumb enough to cheat in games where there's actual potential to get caught with proof, that's also when they happen to get smashed by dogshit teams with great consistency. I don't think the GOTV sniping is possible to even detect, thus in this one tournament they turn from shit to world beaters, largely off the back of reads and calls.
They will never get banned, but with all the scrutiny now, I doubt they'll dare to cheat at this scale again either.
They were never proven to be cheaters and therefore they were never punished for it.
Did they cheat? That depends on what you choose to take away from the events. Still, we cannot actually state for certain they were but what we do know is something suspicious took place at the RMR or they had the luck of the century on their side.
Either way, I blame EPIC League CIS solely and for good reason.
Call me crazy but I still think EPIC orgs did set this up themselves in the first place and shared corrupt betting income with Akuma players. It just can not be a coincidence that they had no TeamSpeak records, no anti-cheat, no delay on GOTV and Akuma showed up with this shit. And the Project X CEO thing as well.
Yeah, ECIS divulged that suspicious betting activity was present with Project X's CEO on Akuma but as to whether or not Akuma were in on this, I'm unaware... I think at the time it was assumed but I cannot remember if it was actually confirmed or not. Either way, professionals have called Akuma out and despite being unconfirmed, it is more or less treated as "accepted fact" and nothing can be done.
The blatant lack of the industry standards from EPIC League CIS was unacceptable, it should never have happened whatsoever...
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