"i get it, it's much easier to throw an unattainable fantasy out there and use the fact it is unattainable to deflect and dodge criticism"
no, its way more easier to use the current system in its logic to shoot down all "pipedreams". if it wasnt, then we wouldnt have 100s of ppl who cant or wont imagine (for various reasons) another world in the first place, but vice versa and the "realists" were sparce.
which brings us to the next point, which is already hinted towards your logical failure. again you think "publicly" the only way you can imagine public now. in the hand of some government who decides similiar to ours in a capitalist system.. but, that makes no sense. obv, government will not work the same way it does now. neither will executive institutions, etc
as i stated time and time again, we as a society - a world's society and not some nationalist communities - will have to turn around our mindset. away from the individual (were getting back there full circle tho, no worries), towards the collective. and no, that does not mean robotoc hive mind as someone else suggested. remember, in a hive, we have a queen. in communism, there is no such thing. people are truly equal to each other and yet - this is the tricky part, but i think in a few hundred years and two atomic catastrophes later (if mankind is able to survive) people WILL come around to seeing the benefits in working together not only for their personal gains as we do now for the most parts.
and also no, this system (i kinda dont even want to call it that, because it implicates a near towards current ones and then people will continue to think of it the way you and nearly everybody else in here does) will not magically appear.
i know theres an inner urge to ridicule these kinda ideas by throwing loops in it like that, but just know, that everyone have heard them 1000 times over and youre not as witty or funny as you think you are.
this mindset (not sysytem) will not be achieved without struggle. you and everyone else in this thread are living proof that mankind is far from ready to put aside selfish egoism, etc, when they cant even imagine it outside of current parameters. needless to tell that this says a lot.
so, where does that leave us? revolution? as "romantiziced" that may sound, its highly unlikely and as you pointed out, then we ould have tons of people who are still think capitalism is the answer and would try to "fight" (in which ever way) against the new "system", which then would have to be some kind of system the way youre trying to paint it: with authorities, enforcement institution, "classic" government and that itself contradicts the very idea. i rather see big "catastrophes" (the war around water thats already on the horizon comes to mind) leading towards a real shift which will make a lot of our current institutions obsolete, at least partly.
last but not least: just because you and even me cant really define what the new "system" will look in detail, doesnt mean that im forced to act as if the current one was written in stone, you know? it also doesnt mean that it doesnt make sense to think about it.
one thing is for sure: to "accept" or think that this here is our fate, will not lead us to a bright future. were depleting this planet and were making it inhabitable for the most people. this cant be the way, mando ;)
(needless to say, that im done here for good, right? we came to point where the website is making the columns so idiotic narrow that its unreadable anyway)
have a nice day. the weather is ace.
see you in week or so.