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Why is sh1ro better than degster?
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France Haibara 
I have been watching a ton of demo and I still cannot figure out why sh1ro is SO MUCH better than degster in official matches. Mr. degster is known as one of the best AWPer from CIS due to his incredible performances in FPL and when he was in Espada. Despite having a strong start during his team at Team Spirit where he was dominating everyone else in the beginning of the year (jan/feb 2021), it just seems like degster is just not winning games. Obviously he had some really good matches when his team lost the match, for example 1.82 rating vs G2 on a loss (hltv.org/matches/2347986/spirit-vs-g2-dr..), Spirit has been losing to fellow CIS teams such as Gambit, Navi, Virtus Pro, and sometimes even FORZE, where degster's performance is very mediocre. Personally I really like degster, and I think degster is better individually than sh1ro easily, but somehow in official matches, especially matches against Gambit, degster just underperformed almost every time. Source: 0.72 vs Gambit (hltv.org/matches/2348989/spirit-vs-gambi..) 0.79 vs forZe (hltv.org/matches/2348253/spirit-vs-forze..) 0.90 vs Gambit (hltv.org/matches/2346894/gambit-vs-spiri..) 0.85 vs Gambit (hltv.org/matches/2346586/spirit-vs-gambi..)
2021-06-23 08:01
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everyone knows that degster is not on level of sh1ro. Low effort bait
2021-06-23 08:03
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Japan 1600J
Yeah, he’s not on his level of baiting
2021-06-23 08:57
Another day Another low effort bait by Haibara
2021-06-23 08:03
mechanically sh1ro is better than degster
2021-06-23 08:03
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#10
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Japan 1600J
0/8
2021-06-23 08:57
Never
2021-06-23 09:21
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sh1ro is better individally, he is better teamplayer, aimwise, has better understanding of the game, gamesense. and even with this skillset he is not best player in his team, but he is 2 heads above of degster and any other russian snipers.
2021-06-23 09:34
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+1111111111111111111111 SO FK TRUE
2021-06-24 04:39
meh, wtf
2021-06-23 09:31
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2021-06-23 09:35
this is literally false, mechanically degster is better, but sh1ro is better other stuff
2021-06-23 10:31
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he's right tho
2021-06-24 04:43
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how is he right? degster is by far the better pugger
2021-06-24 12:04
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Japan not_a_weeb
0/8 delusional
2021-06-23 10:37
#4
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Finland Doto_top1
have someone said otherwise
2021-06-23 08:05
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United States Rayduh
Let me tell you exactly why: 1. sh1ro baits more than degster, it is easy to pad stats, degster try to make plays, he is always out there and not hiding 2. degster dies more than sh1ro, this means that degster's ratings is affected because KD matters in HLTV rating, it is easier for sh1ro to get better stats 3. sh1ro loves saving AWP more than degster, degster always goes to 1vX clutches, when sh1ro just backs off and save. sh1ro gets the AWP more than degster because he saves a lot more... 4. Gambit wins more, it is easy to get good stats when you are winning
2021-06-23 08:06
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even without baiting (wrong term because its a clear team structure that he is trading and controlling positions with awp) sh1ro have better mechanical skills than degster. and sh1ro always want to go for clutches and its nafany saying him to save all the time (HLTV Confirmed)
2021-06-23 08:11
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#34
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United States Rayduh
i just wouldn't pick sh1ro over degster in my pugs, wouldn't want someone to pad his stats baiting me every round
2021-06-23 10:42
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good that noone wants to pug with you anyway
2021-06-24 09:29
sh1ro does not have better mechanical skill than degster lmfao. What are you talking about? I mean he has stronger gamesense, but that's about it
2021-06-24 04:05
i think so too, but degster is definitely not playing his best CS
2021-06-23 10:32
Also Degster often plays with rifles, meanwhile sh1ro plays awp 24/7
2021-06-23 19:59
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#42
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United States Rayduh
yes because sh1ro saves AWP a lot, degster usually attempt clutches
2021-06-24 04:01
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But shiro also wins alot of the clutches he tries, i think he is a better clutch player than degster
2021-06-24 09:37
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#69
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United States Rayduh
fair enough, but sh1ro also lose a lot of clutches
2021-06-24 13:00
sh1ro has Nafany to make insane calls after making outrageous info plays. He also has two 1.20+ rated MVP-level riflers - Hobbit and ax1le to clear his way. All he needs to do, is his job of trading his teammates, and holding his angles with precision. Degster has lots of other responsibilities, since his teammates aren't as skilled and consistent as gambit. Sh1ro is basically a slightly more mechanically skilled device, but he can't hard-carry his team if ax1le and hobbit fail, the way ZywOo and s1mple can carry.
2021-06-23 08:08
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That means sh1r0 is faceit lvl9?
2021-06-23 09:11
+1 on "sh1ro is more mechanically skilled dev1ce" BUT device is far from his prime. He's still one of the best pistol players ever & his consistency is unmatched. There's a lot of recency bias going on regarding him
2021-06-23 10:42
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Yeah, prime device (as rifler in 2016 and as AWPer in 2018) was probably more skilled than sh1ro, but sh1ro is very young as well, so yeah, you're probably right.
2021-06-23 11:06
Reported for low iq
2021-06-23 08:10
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lul
2021-06-23 08:59
XD
2021-06-25 03:31
degster needs better teammates imo
2021-06-23 08:59
sh1ro is not that good if you ask me, i like ax1le and hobbit though they are very good players
2021-06-23 09:02
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man who would have thought that hobbit would become so good after not playing at a top level for some time
2021-06-23 09:44
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Argentina atriX^
sh1ro is great mechanically but Gambit's system calls for Ax1Le, Hobbit and Nafany to pull most of the weight and gain the space for sh1ro to close the rounds. That's why he's so passive. If the system works for Gambit (and so far it has worked) then by all means keep it. sh1ro won't be their best player in the meantime. BUT sh1ro is a great awper nonetheless. He's been consistent and reliable when Gambit needs him.
2021-06-24 04:33
i just hate sh1ro's playstyle, even more passive than Jame
2021-06-23 09:07
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One of the only differences between them is probably jame having a 2nd bank account right next to him unlike sh1ro x)
2021-06-24 09:11
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sh1ro has 4 other bank accounts, if you watch the game
2021-06-24 11:59
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Asia Drag0nJ
degster has been underperforming heavily recently. His rating turned down rapidly, I watched tons of Spirit's games during last RMR event and IEM Summer. He was a primary factor why Spirit couldn't have gotten better results. Plenty of off target shots, making foolish decisions etc. Also, I've been watching a lot of his streams from FPL lately and same shit happens, despite having some decent clips most of the time he falls short because of not being able to hit relatively simple shots (prime degster would do IT easily). No idea what happened to him, there is a huge difference gap if we compare him now to his version from January when he fucked BIG as a standin in Sprout and blasted entire DH January (as a Spirit player ofc).
2021-06-23 09:20
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maybe that was fluke shining in january and he is back to normal?
2021-06-23 09:21
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then him shining in espada before was a fluke too but it wasnt
2021-06-25 03:13
You've probably been tracking hltv.org not too long ago. After the collapse of Espada, degster was recommended everywhere ... Naturally in hltv topics. Many watched his games in Espada.
2021-06-25 04:24
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indeed, the dekster's level has dropped markedly.
2021-06-25 04:25
That banana clip against Astralis... I thought this guy was the next best awper in the world. Wish he would come back :((
2021-06-23 09:21
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#20
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Asia Drag0nJ
He always puts a premium on practising, maybe he should take a rest or sth, idk. He plays like 6-7 hours of dm every day
2021-06-23 09:23
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But apparently, Gambit does that as well! They practice like no tomorrow. But maybe their practice is a lot more efficient. With breaks and stuff in between. But what if he loses his shine and becomes even worse?
2021-06-23 09:26
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I doubt they play deathmatch for 6 hours per day
2021-06-25 03:22
Personally I don't think sh1ro is a better decision maker than degster though, mechanically also I think degster is better
2021-06-23 09:24
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#23
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Asia Drag0nJ
I mean, degster has a specific style. Ideal example of aggressive awper who is not anxious about peeking and trying to get as many entries as he can. Spirit is a decent team with huge potential but as soon as something goes wrong they just start to suck, every Spirit game i see them having a great start then degster tries something, dies and throws the round which affects his confidence.
2021-06-23 09:28
Why so? Sh1ro is super smart and cautious when it comes to taking duels. He knows that on the CT side, if the awper falls, a site is much easier to take. So he doesn't peek mid, doesn't take unnecessary fights and saves if Nafany tells him to do so. And he might not be as mechanically skilled as Degster but he sure is fast. And his flicks are so on point. Its like he is a robot who simply does not miss shots. (Except when he plays against Na'vi. But he did play the recent finals very well)
2021-06-23 09:28
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Russia reguix
I picked him in my fantasy dunno
2021-06-23 09:46
i think degster is better too, also cooler guy
2021-06-23 10:30
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France Haibara
They still lost game though
2021-06-23 19:43
degster not even close to sh1ro's level
2021-06-23 19:45
True
2021-06-23 19:55
Who said degster is on the same level of sh1ro? Worst fucking bait ever
2021-06-24 04:02
degster is no longer as good
2021-06-24 04:03
degster plays more like s1mple/zywoo, less baiting, more play making sh1ro plays more like Jame/device, pad stats from playing safe positions, and baiting teammates on T side
2021-06-24 04:33
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umm...
2021-06-24 06:53
Most people will agree.
2021-06-24 04:57
Wait, who's the igl in Gambit again?
2021-06-24 05:21
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nafany
2021-06-24 05:33
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Why are we comparing degster with shiro then? I don't get it.
2021-06-24 06:48
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OP is a baiter and an idiot, thats why
2021-06-24 06:51
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An elaborate baiter eh? Good for him I guess.
2021-06-24 06:56
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He's had no effort baits a lot, this is one of the few where he puts a surprisingly amount of effort
2021-06-24 06:57
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The weather must be nice wherever he is.
2021-06-24 07:06
im not i just answer your question
2021-06-24 09:04
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Yeah, was talking about OP, not you bud.
2021-06-25 02:48
sh1ro is on a better teams, dies less and probably plays a role more so, which kinda beats mechanical skill if you're going for stats
2021-06-24 06:58
Sh1ro is star awper.
2021-06-24 07:00
You are judging way to much off stats
2021-06-24 09:38
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Sweden EntonXD
haibara degster might be better eye-test wise and maybe stats wise but thats not everything
2021-06-24 09:40
Because 0.50 dpr
2021-06-25 02:56
degster better mechanically but shiro better at everything else
2021-06-25 02:56
sh1ro is smarter and has the better team.
2021-06-25 03:27
degster began to smear a lot the last 4 months ... I hope we will see degster from the times of Espada. sh1ro is rightfully ranked in the top of the best awp in the world thanks to the results of Gambit. Who does not know what degster is capable of, I advise you to watch this game where he played as a substitute also watch the Espada games: hltv.org/matches/2346133/big-vs-sprout-e..
2021-06-25 05:02
I don't really watch much of degster's gameplay but I'll go out on a limb and say that the rest of the roster for sh1ro is better than what spirit has
2021-06-25 05:08
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The spirit is not stable. There are talented players. mir is more consistent than teammates
2021-06-25 18:02
Shiro is just better
2021-06-25 05:37
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