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Neo 1.6
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Poland humen)))) 
It is sad how people look at him now but he is bad at csgo The way he carried Poland's on 1.6 is just impressive, even Lewandowski couldn't hard carry Poland's nationa "team" as much as Neo have done in cs 1.6 Neo is the real 1.6 God, fucking hard carry 1v9 most of the games
2021-06-23 20:23
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CSGO took away his main attribute, movement.
2021-06-23 20:24
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#4
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Poland humen))))
yup, his movement...gold
2021-06-23 20:24
28 replies
csgo is pretty better in everything than gold engine. problem is that few people know the best way to play it
2021-06-24 14:14
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source is fucking trash, what are you talking about? if it werent for skins, the engine would have been long gone.
2021-06-24 15:29
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· youtube.com/watch?v=Eq4NWFxLrZk I don't think goldsource could perform better than this in any moment, plus its not even 80% of the engine working
2021-06-24 15:42
source is fucking revolution, did you see hl2 graphics?
2021-06-24 23:08
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was*
2021-07-15 17:28
You don't have to have 1,000s of variables to movement for it to be good. 1.6/Source had pretty solid movement. CSGO's might be more complex but I cannot stand how it's not as precise of a start/stop, which is like the most fundamentally important part to movement in a game. That it's kind of slippery always put me off.
2021-06-24 20:15
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· youtube.com/watch?v=KdSWVEDVdgM referring to #114, then explain how it can be so stable in every point
2021-06-24 20:46
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Explain why when I take my fingers off the WASD keys from a full run I drift 2 feet instead of stopping? Again, it's not about if it's technically more complex, it's about the simplistic process of starting and stopping.
2021-06-24 20:59
13 replies
be sure. its ur system/computer. and it has almost the same time
2021-06-24 21:03
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... It's literally not placebo. They even changed the movement variables early on to reduce the travel because of how sloppy the movement felt in the game (which improved it, but didn't fix it). At least I can remember doing this and enjoying it: youtu.be/SNvDUO42Hys
2021-06-24 21:09
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it has longer travel/bumping time. im sure that a csgo model would kill those pretty nice using about 70% of the engine
2021-06-24 22:07
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You should've just replied "I don't know how to read." Yes, I realize it has longer travel, it's almost like that's my criticism... You keep saying this dumb shit about "using about X% of the engine" without ever considering if maybe that's completely irrelevant to the argument. Like, cool, glad the engine could do these things I enjoy: so why isn't it doing them then? What a fucking uselessly pointless argument. Who gives a fuck about how much of the engine it theoretically uses if it still feels like shit? You obviously don't understand this but part of what makes CS so interesting is that it's a very simple game on the surface, with relatively complex possibilities in-game. There's no need for endless movement options, they add such little depth to the game it's pointless.
2021-06-28 17:33
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you are having problems in strafing? good. bcs im not
2021-06-28 17:35
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Nice counter argument. You should refer to #203 but you can't read, so nevermind.
2021-06-28 17:39
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can't argue when not having the issue
2021-06-28 18:25
Instant response movement would break the game adad strafing would be super op
2021-06-24 21:15
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And yet it's not in either 1.6 or CSS, where jiggle peeking a corner doesn't even work...
2021-06-24 21:16
#188
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Australia Beard43
It's momentum, if you want to stop you have to press the counter movement to put effort into stopping quicker. It's an exceptional feature of the engine, not a bug you lunatic.
2021-06-25 07:36
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"not a bug" Who the fuck called it a bug you lunatic? Why should anyone have to constantly use counter-movement to stop in a videogame? It's like the most irrelevant, imprecise form of control you could possibly add in (and before you hop on the realism bandwagon, you're playing fucking CS). Literally the entire rest of the game is about fine motor controls, and this shit is designed specifically to offset that. Exceptional feature, solid logic, A+ design. Next you'll tell me that mouse acceleration is a great feature for consistent aim.
2021-06-25 15:55
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#202
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Australia Beard43
Using acceleration for movement significantly raises the skill ceiling of the game. It adds an extra fine motor control element which takes practice and skill to master. That's the reason having this function in a competitive shooter is relevant. There is nothing imprecise about it, it's highly precise and predictable, catches noobs off all day though. Sorry to hear you never managed to master it, but this is not a taking point for anyone with skill mate.
2021-06-25 19:58
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It's not anything more than just extra key presses. It's not some hard thing to master, it's just unneeded. You perform with 2 to 3 key presses what you could perform with one. Your argument would hold weight if the movement mechanics in CS weren't already sort of rudimentary compared to other games, but corsshair placement is far more important than some need to constantly counter strafe. Also skill isn't part of the equation. I was good at this game for the short time I played it, but I'm not too concerned about someone from your region evaluating skill. You've had like 4 decent players: ever.
2021-06-25 20:15
#173
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Switzerland hoooooray
luck just one clip of 1000000 tries
2021-06-24 23:10
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i was not generalizing
2021-06-24 23:36
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#181
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Switzerland hoooooray
"explain how it can be so stable in every point" this is what I did. It is not stable, this was just luck and works 1 in 10000000 times
2021-06-25 00:02
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talking about capacity not percentage. the percentag thng is a player thing
2021-06-25 00:07
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#209
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Switzerland hoooooray
no its a random cs go netcode/engine/shit unstable thing
2021-06-30 10:37
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its a keyboard delay problem. even #145 shows the shots are steady
2021-06-30 14:15
refuted hahah
2021-06-25 00:06
Was movement good in cs1.6? I never played it so I can't compare between csgo, I thought csgo had decent movement
2021-06-23 20:25
32 replies
CSGO has good movement by today's standards, CS1.6 was really good it made maps completely different. Example youtu.be/oTh5v5Km-_c
2021-06-23 20:28
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i abused this spot way too many times, haha. could get the ladder jump on the first try almost every time, also could use the ladders on train to move from one train to another, was awesome. miss the movement of 1.6 in CS GO...
2021-06-24 00:05
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#99
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Poland kruky
+1, I felt like monkey in the jungle on train
2021-06-24 14:13
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haha
2021-06-24 18:40
#85
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Brazil Pacero
Dude wtf, neo in this clip is playing against gaules KEWK
2021-06-24 03:39
you could outplay ppl just by movement if someone had bad movement he was bad in general. You could airstrafe around corners to gather info etc
2021-06-23 21:00
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i've had people argue endlessly with me that CS GO has the same or better movement as CS 1.6. O M E G A L U L
2021-06-23 21:11
25 replies
Depends. I think csgo eliminated some of those moves cuz they felt unrealistic and lol-gravity in general. But it also dumbed down the game making it more noob-friendly which for competitive level of the game was obv bad, but resulted in more noobs starting to like and play the game and that was Valve's goal if u ask me, cuz more players = more money
2021-06-24 14:23
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oh i recognize that dumbing down the game made it more noob friendly, just as valorant has done to CS, but my point is that 1.6 movement allowed much more freedom and creativity than cs go. cs go feels like my character is stuck in the mud compared to 1.6
2021-06-24 18:41
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yes but they choose to have bigger playerbase than more complex gameplay mechanics. i mean, nothing we can do really. only thing left is to pray that if next CS version comes out (if ever) then something will change. What exactly valorant did to cs? Valorant's movement is even dumber than cs, even the map design is worse cuz maps are even more non-open, alleys than in CS however valorant has characters and abilities that creates some gameplay depth as well.
2021-06-24 18:55
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valorant dumbed down CS GO movement just like CS GO dumbed down 1.6 movement
2021-06-24 18:57
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nah i missunderstood you then but yea i agree its a common notice tho. I only wish CS put more emphasis on the player roles, like awper, igl, support, rifle etc. it could create some creative depth as well as refreshing the gameplay a little bit.
2021-06-24 19:01
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that would turn it into TF2: CS:GO boogaloo haha
2021-06-24 19:05
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tf was entirely different tho
2021-06-24 19:28
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if you add classes to CS GO it becomes more like TF2 or valorant/R6 siege
2021-06-24 19:34
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not rly, classes dont need to give a direct stats difference or smth like that. Imagine you're choosing support role, and as a support u can carry more nades lets say a total of 5 of them, they're also a little cheaper than for other roles. Or as a sniper you can buy awp for 4750 while others can buy it for 5500 or w/e. That'd reduce the amount of awp stacking on some maps where awp is too strong or constant awp drops. Ofc the numbers are just examples. The classes would be completely fine as long as they wouldnt give THAT much of a difference imo.
2021-06-25 14:01
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hmm, that's an interesting idea, actually. i think i would just really want to keep gunplay and movement speed the same for all players. don't need scouts running around at 200mph lol.
2021-06-25 19:01
#152
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North America joeS
I feel the opposite. I still play kreedz and 1.6 movement feels like mud after you land your jumps. The slowdown (pretty much a complete stop) is dogshit.
2021-06-24 20:57
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it's only dogshit if you miss your bhop. in CS GO, the movement is dumbed down so even retards can bhop with no skill.
2021-06-24 21:30
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#169
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North America joeS
Im talking about strafe jumping and getting up things in 1.6 being very sluggish. In GO I can move around the map like butter and it definitely takes some skill to do so. There are tons of players with shit movement
2021-06-24 22:36
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it's not sluggish IF you don't suck. clearly you aren't skilled enough, which is why CS GO works better for you. it takes less skill than 1.6. youtube.com/watch?v=WrD7jZNfgfU&t=249s
2021-06-24 22:43
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#171
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North America joeS
are you actually stupid? I didnt say shit about bunny hops. But do you notice when hes done hopping and before going again the MAJOR speed decrease? or too old from 1.6 days you are blind now? My guy. You can call me shit all you want but i guarantee my movement is better than yours
2021-06-24 23:04
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you didn't watch the video, did you? at the beginning he does multiple strafe jumps and uses countjump to continue the momentum into bhops. CS GO movement is a dumbed down version of cs 1.6, and you are a dumbed down version of most user on here, sadly
2021-06-24 23:18
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#179
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North America joeS
every comment you make, you solidify your idiocrasy. Look at what you just fucking said v "at the beginning he does multiple strafe jumps and uses countjump to continue the momentum into bhops" Now look what I JUST TOLD YOU "I didnt say shit about bunny hops." im done arguing with a fucking potato /closed
2021-06-24 23:50
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i said strafe jumps, and using countjump to keep momentum after a strafe jump. omegalul. retard alert
2021-06-25 01:28
"even retards can bhop with no skill" Man you massively overrate 1.6, too much fanboyism lol It's the opposite really, in 1.6 you could just bind mwheel to jump and spam away to get bhops 100% of the time without any skill, "even retards could do it with no skill" in GO spamming won't work 100% of the time you actually need to time the jumps. Anyways you're too much a of 1.6 fanboy to ever see that lol
2021-06-25 08:09
cs go made utility so so much better than 1.6, the game is more tactic now and it's even harder than 1.6 at the highest level
2021-06-25 07:30
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u got that feeling because the generall skill-level got higher, cs:go changes didnt really contribute to that, cs:go boosted cs community so more young talents could notice and play the game so paradoxally dumbing down the game increased the highest level of play but not directly
2021-06-25 13:54
just link them vnl 1.6 kz 4House youtube.com/watch?v=ZsrkhmLHUDM
2021-06-24 15:36
Well idk they are deffenetely not the same but idk the way I see it is that Cs Go made movement harder and less usefull skill and in my opinion that makes it better
2021-06-24 21:26
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i'm not talking about good vs bad, i'm talking about pure objective movement. there is simply less movement you can do in CS GO compared to the freedom you had in 1.6. that is all. you can interpret that fact as good or bad however you want.
2021-06-24 21:33
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Well yea that is true you can do alot more in 1.6 and afaik it is easier? but yea personally I like movement to be less impactfull
2021-06-24 21:43
2021-06-24 19:36
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Fuck I've played CSGO for so long I forgot this was possible, and honestly he's the only one I've seen do it LOL. Wow...
2021-06-24 20:42
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Exactly...
2021-06-24 20:55
yop, Neo and Forest two GOATS
2021-06-23 20:24
#10
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Russia NOD777
dead game dead players who cares
2021-06-23 20:26
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#15
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Poland humen))))
just comparison today's Poland's national team with Lewandowski to Poland's best cs 1.6 team with Neo as ultra super sayain hard carry
2021-06-23 20:27
0/8
2021-06-23 20:50
neo the GOAT
2021-06-23 20:27
The game didn't transition as well for most pros, look at Markeloff in 1.6, compare that to CSGO.
2021-06-23 20:28
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#20
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Poland humen))))
Good example, I miss markeloff so much, he was so fucking dominating with the awp in 1.6
2021-06-23 20:29
2 replies
same with SpawN
2021-06-24 14:15
1 reply
Spawn wasnt even playing at the end of 1.6
2021-06-24 14:24
#47
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Portugal jsousa941
ye but it worked for forest and get right
2021-06-23 21:19
4 replies
I said most, not all.
2021-06-23 21:49
#90
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United States Goob
well what forest and get right were good at was different from what neo was good at, it was obvious someone like forest would transition better to a new game
2021-06-24 04:11
neo was mvp of dreamhack bucharest at the end of 2016, tell me last time gtr won an mvp award
2021-06-24 19:15
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rekt
2021-06-25 14:04
Neo former best player of all time now in ESEA open ya cs is very legit no hackers ever
2021-06-23 20:28
3 replies
honoris is playing in esea main rn
2021-06-24 14:13
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my bad.. i might have been thinking of esea dreamhack qualifier still csgo is bullshit <_>
2021-06-25 07:19
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i hope they will get to advanced after this season, they have spot in play offs
2021-06-25 11:29
Yes, if there wasn't 2010 Markeloff.
2021-06-23 20:31
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#30
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2021-06-23 20:58
#104
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Poland kruky
Markeloff was god tier awper, neo still gained top1 in 2011. Not gonna lie, shame transition didn't went well for them, early days of CS:GO would be much more interesting
2021-06-24 14:16
Markeloff was excellent in 2010 and onwards, but honestly Neo and f0rest were both as good as he was before and after. By extension Neo also had notably worse teammates than Markeloff/f0rest as well.
2021-06-24 21:19
Markeloff 2010 was peak cs 1.6 performance but overall neo had longer and better career. 1.Neo 2.Markeloff 3.Gtr/forest imo
2021-06-24 23:39
That's the good old days, friend. I miss zneel's Ak & Famas. I miss markeloff's awp. I miss cyx. I miss cArN. I miss dsn. I miss FYRR73. I miss walle. I miss Fury. I miss roman. I miss Tixo. I miss HeatoN. I miss SpawN. I miss TaZ. I miss ave. I miss Archi. <3
2021-06-23 20:49
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FYRR73? Why him? He was never anything really special, just a slightly above average pro imo
2021-06-23 20:57
God just hearing these names makes me want to play 1.6 again.
2021-06-23 21:30
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i played it again recently, it's dying fast in NA. only a handful of scrim servers, and most public servers are absolute garbage, i got banned from all of them for being too good, lmao.
2021-06-24 00:06
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1.6 Servers nowadays are garbage, yeah. Noob admins and bunch of childish plugins make me quit the server right away. Only handful of good zombie servers left.
2021-06-24 14:07
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sad. :(
2021-06-24 18:38
Try gamerclub servers good people.
2021-06-24 20:45
It wasn't that hard playing back there, people didn't even use nades properly lol
2021-06-23 20:51
10 replies
It was kinda hard to use nades properly in cs 1.6
2021-06-23 21:00
5 replies
True but the competition was WAY easier
2021-06-23 21:05
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#48
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Portugal jsousa941
idk about that tho
2021-06-23 21:21
#50
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Poland humen))))
It was way harder for tier3 team to win vs tier1
2021-06-23 21:23
Ye keep dreaming
2021-06-23 23:48
says "competition was WAY easier", but actually pros were this good (here's some markeloff DM): youtube.com/watch?v=D0pQk0ICAOo&t=129s
2021-06-24 00:16
Retard..
2021-06-23 23:48
#84
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Ukraine ksay
it was as hard as rn just in a different way your comment makes zero sense it's way easier to become a good player nowadays and it was the opposite back in the days current skillset just simply couldn't exist during 1.6 days. s1mple/zywoo born 10-15 years earlier and there is no way they would be way better than f0rest/NEO at that time the accumulated CS knowledge throughout all these years helps immensly so current pros can grow so much faster and build upon it you have an actual infrastructure that orgs provide for u also CS isn't just a hobby anymore but an actual career you can pursue during 1.6 era you wouldn't get so much help so in a way being the best at that time is even more impressive everything was basically on your own shoulders
2021-06-24 03:41
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agree with u BUT. u and many others forget one thing. 1.6 and csgo r different games with very different mechanics we all see how csgo navi loses to 1.6 navi lineup (in 1.6) cuz its a different game. and u cant say that navi 1.6 lineup was a champions etc etc, they didnt played 1.6 since 2012 (its like forever) and the same was for navi csgo lineup (level of this match btw was extremely low, it was like a final of asus non-pro moscow in 1.6, its shit if we compare to how high level of play was in 2009-2011), so they were kinda equal before the match. but old navi lineup still beat them means that 1.6 is a very different game and u cant really compare 1.6 pros with csgo pros. the one thing now that game played smarter than it was back then, its more tactical, players r more experienced. but u cant compare pros level, cuz mechanically (shooting, movement, strafing etc etc) games r very different
2021-06-24 10:25
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#97
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Ukraine ksay
that's true mechanical skill doesn't translate between two games very well though i'd say that overall younger gamers have more refined mechanics nowadays just because they had PCs from the very young age and wider gear options to choose from with the same amount of practice they would've caught up but that's speculation
2021-06-24 12:57
Idk chief I always felt like he was a bit overrated, like he was really good but I don't feel like his aim was as good as some of the other GOAT contenders (he reminded me a lot like Trace, relied on brain, movement, and positioning over raw aim)
2021-06-23 20:55
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neo was a super smart player, and he'd probably lose straight up aim duels to f0rest, edward, etc etc, but his positioning and brain gave him so many free kills, plus he had great aim, just not best in the world aim.
2021-06-24 00:07
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Yes, exactly. I don't feel like the 1.6 GOAT is an open and shut case like most people think, people tend to all unanimously agree that NEO was the 1.6 GOAT. NEO only won about 12 large LAN events in his career (in 1.6), heatoN won around 14, f0rest won 19. So terms of achievement I feel like he is behind most of the other GOAT contenders, and in terms of raw aim I think he is behind guys like f0rest. Fuck at times even trace (a player known for playing with brain and positioning over raw aim) outshined him, and players like GeT_RiGhT ran circles around him (also let me just say his top 1 in 2011 was undeserved imo). Point is I don't think NEO is the GOAT of 1.6, and I'd like it for fans to reconsider their judgment on this time in CS history
2021-06-24 03:06
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Also he wasnt that hard of carry as people make him out be its only because some ginger said that :D people who followed the 1.6 scene back in the days will know neo hard carry is like a meme these days cause kids didnt follow the scene back then and are clueless ofc
2021-06-24 04:10
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#109
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Poland kruky
Cmon, it was Neo, decent Taz and for long time no one else. Their strats and calls wasn't even close to what fnatic did back in the days. Sweden was powerhouse of CS and if one player was underperforming, teams had 20 other super talented stars waiting for call.
2021-06-24 14:27
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LUq and pasha were pretty alright, and kuben/loord were support players who tried to set guys like TaZ or NEO up. Also > Good Calls > Fnatic Pick one ;) As a cArn fan I can say that they never had that good calls, cArn called rather basic strats but made up for the lack of tactical depth with fragging heavily. Also most of those Swedish players took up a lot of space, while guys like Kuben took up almost none, leaving more for NEO.
2021-06-24 20:08
#94
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United Kingdom dv-_-
I think the main difference is just the fact NEO had much less skill surrounding him. f0rest had gtr and gux on his team (gtr top1/2 player at the time, and gux easily top 7/8), if those 2 left and replaced loordb&kuben, it'd be hard to imagine that team ever losing. Also i think for a lot of f0rests later career atleast, get_right was a lot better than him.
2021-06-24 10:05
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Oh ya GTR was probably a better complete player than f0rest starting around 2009, but nevertheless f0rest still probably had the highest aim ceiling + had a wonderful career before GTR came in. Also I wouldn't think a team with GTR and NEO would be a very good team (assuming they were both polish/swedish). Super teams tend to fail, thats been very apparent. Sadly the same was true for 'national super teams', like 2009 fnatic. Gux + GTR +f0rest with cArn and dsn supporting (dsn still top tier AWPer at this time as well) sounds like a team you couldn't beat, and yet it stayed as just a consistent top team. Lots of skill comes with lots of overlap, again think of one of my favorite players trace, he could be the worlds best AWPer (as shown when Sunde was on his trip and they needed to play with a stand-in), this guy has most of the criteria to be a GOAT contender, yet saying he is the GOAT of 1.6 would be silly. Why? He had a pretty trashy team. By the time he was in mTw they had all basically fallen off and he had a much worse situation than NEO, and yet he would regularly outshine him. I think neo should 100% be in the conversation as he is a god-tier player, but I don't think its as much of an open-and-shut case as most people seem to think.
2021-06-24 19:58
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#155
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United Kingdom dv-_-
Yeah I agree trace was sick, but also I think NEO was very complete too in the sense that the few times he did AWP he was very strong with it still, he was just naturally very good in all areas. trace however just didn't get the big tournament wins that NEO managed to get, almost on his own at times (TaZ was decent, but the rest were pretty meh in terms of raw frags, though pasha did start coming into prime in the very latter part of 1.6) Also again a lot comes down to how long they were at the top aswell, which i think is one of the main reasons it always ends up coming down to f0rest and NEO. in terms of actual peak skill, then I think the argument opens up to include GeT_RiGhT, trace, and markeloff. Oh and REAL but im biased :D
2021-06-24 21:00
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Exactly, one of the biggest factors in determining the greatest player of all time is how long they were at the top, and how many events they won. F0rest's first large LAN event won was 2005, NEO's was 2006. And obviously f0rest stayed at the top just as long as NEO in 1.6, while also winning more tournaments. I love trace, he's my man, but I'd find it silly to say he is the greatest 1.6 player ever, and the reason being his lack of tournament wins. (also if I recall correctly LUq was pretty good early on). NEO's carry I also think is a bit overblown, it was less of a hard carry than NiKo in Mouz and the most similar comparison I can think of in GO is like Cold carrying 2019 MIBR imo, he was clearly the best but he had an alright team around him. Also I'd still say even including time at the top GTR is still a huge consideration, same with guys like zet.
2021-06-24 21:30
yeah less lan wins but still 6 majors won
2021-06-24 14:16
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I'm not saying NEO is bad, he always stepped up where it mattered and obviously didn't choke the majors (like f0rest and his team tended to do in both 1.6 and GO), but majors aren't everything. I think neo was a monster who should be without a doubt in the conversation as the best 1.6 player of all time, but I don't think there should be such a unanimous agreement on this.
2021-06-24 20:02
#110
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Poland kruky
#109 He won almost single handedly (Taz waz quite decent) that tournaments when CS scene belonged to Sweden. Not gonna lie, f0rrest was probably best aimer of all time but being GOAT is composition of all attributes like game sense, positioning, aim etc. And neo had PROBABLY best combination of all. I would compare him to Zywoo a bit, not doing crazy flicks, just setting yourself perfectly to get kill/win round and let me remind you that's what wins you games.
2021-06-24 14:35
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I think neo is definitely in contention for GOAT in 1.6 for how complete of a player he was. sure, some other had better aim, some others may have even had better brain, but i think he had possibly the best combination of both, and he did have some absolute bot teammates (excluding taz) throughout his stint at the top, and he was playing against some of the best teams like navi w/ markeloff
2021-06-24 18:34
of course, all of us who witnessed it know he was the top3 of all time in 1.6 if not even the best
2021-06-23 20:57
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+1 there's no way you can make a judgment if you weren't there. i've been watching since the days of literally aztec being in the competetive map pool. i watched all the greatest play, and i can say that neo was inarguably top 3 all time, possibly top 1.
2021-06-24 18:37
#31
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Serbia LtN))
Markeloff >>>
2021-06-23 20:59
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#45
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Poland humen))))
with the awp ofc but dont forget that he still had Edward and starix as 2nd and 3rd stars of this team
2021-06-23 21:19
peak level yes, but longevity? that was just 1 year or so, i know he played before also but nobody knew what I mean is, how do you wanna rank the best, highest peak , or most consistent and impactful over time, I too think markeloff was out of his mind and blowed us all away for a moment.
2021-06-23 23:56
ne budi smesan
2021-06-24 19:18
#34
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Myanmar roye
neo + spawn could carry gold novas to big tournaments and thats not joke just fact
2021-06-23 21:01
2 replies
Spawn ??? xDdd dude u just watch too many fragmovies
2021-06-24 04:14
1 reply
#93
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Myanmar roye
no i dont watch any
2021-06-24 09:49
He is not that bad tbh. As every athlete towards the higher age you lose of your niche, reaction, energy and motivation. At the end of the day he did esports for so many years at top tier tournaments. His peak was definitely in 1.6 but he also proved how good he is at CSGO and he is still is earning a legit paycheck.
2021-06-23 21:16
signed up 2019 talking 1.6 okay
2021-06-23 21:21
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#52
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Poland humen))))
My 10th account so nt
2021-06-23 21:24
2 replies
#156
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North America joeS
so toxic shit?
2021-06-24 21:00
1 reply
#176
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Poland humen))))
not me
2021-06-24 23:32
yep. GOAT of 1.6
2021-06-23 21:24
Ok boomer
2021-06-23 23:47
he was worse than f0rest tho
2021-06-23 23:51
#agree.
2021-06-24 00:02
Just goat. He was also never a part of any scams, cheating, etc. True 🐐
2021-06-24 00:15
He was one of the best, if not the best, in terms of movement and gamesense. He had a way to get impactful frags that would completely change rounds.. but he was never even close to hard carrying in terms of frags as most of his fanbase make it out to be.
2021-06-24 03:11
1 reply
+1 Also ginger fans, people who really followed 1.6 scene know it
2021-06-24 04:19
#82
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Ukraine ksay
don't worry 5 years later people would shit on the current pros it's their "skillset now is way higher" logic that they so love to apply they just can't grasp the concept that contextually 1.6 NEO was at least as impressive as current superstars and he totally deserves his legendary status
2021-06-24 03:20
#83
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Chile esanchez47
Neo legend of gaming, like f0rest. Kids nowadays doesn't know shit.
2021-06-24 03:20
#86
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Brazil hugoooo
Neo is the 1.6 king. He was as good and quick as s1mple but 100x more humble, absolutely 0% toxic. He was as good and impactful as ZywOo but actually won several of the "Majors" of 1.6 Only f0rest was comparable to him on the entire 1.6 life-spam. markeloff was the most dominant (and feared) player in a single year (2010) ever, but overall neo was the best 1.6 player without any doubts. If you consider his teammates, it makes it looks even more impressive how he managed to win so many big lans, being the MVP is most of them. SK, fnatic and Na'V'i players were more skilled than his teammates for sure, but their chemistry and the ultra hard carry by neo were keys to their success.
2021-06-24 03:58
8 replies
^ This.
2021-06-24 04:08
I remember neos T side nuke, he would solo outside so well that NAVI would stake 3 outside and he would just pick them off.
2021-06-24 10:11
4 replies
#111
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Brazil hugoooo
I never forget a move he made on bombsite A of nuke, I don't even know how the name of that position in English anymore I will try to find a video
2021-06-24 15:28
3 replies
The 1v2 clutch or rafters movement?
2021-06-24 16:11
2 replies
#117
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Brazil hugoooo
It was on top of A, he jumped between the metal thing on left and he bunny hopped here while he was crouched on that thing (ultra fast, since there was just a few pixels of space) before falling on the boxes below, on the site, not losing any HP. It was a commemoration on the seconds after the round is over, but showed how impeccable his movement was, and I never saw anyone doing that ever again btw.
2021-06-24 18:33
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Yep, he did soo many things during pro matches that I saw no one else do. This is what makes the game great. I play CSGO whenever I can but there's nothing really other than game sense and aim that separates people. Everyone can line a smoke a flash one ways etc.
2021-06-24 20:45
Big +1 from me. NEO played 1.6 like nobody else did.
2021-06-24 20:49
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#193
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Poland humen))))
Yup, it seemed like NEO has mastered cs 1.6 to perfection
2021-06-25 11:31
no one looks at him bad now. he was apart of the legendary vp roster
2021-06-24 04:04
1 reply
malding russians who lose bets sometimes comes to polish streams of honoris matches and they write shit because they lost their 1$
2021-06-24 14:20
NEO the GOAT
2021-06-24 14:18
its easier to carry 4 players than 10
2021-06-24 16:24
#119
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Norway fenkshui
It is sad how people look at him now but he is bad at csgo
2021-06-24 18:35
1 reply
he is still great igl and support + very good clutcher
2021-06-24 18:58
he isnt bad!
2021-06-24 18:59
TaZ was rly cool as well,and pasha was good with awp Loord was decent kuben was average,but neo had insane moves insanely good mind and strong aim
2021-06-24 20:02
2 replies
Don't forget about LuQ awp please.
2021-06-24 20:56
1 reply
he was great !
2021-06-24 20:59
#138
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Czech Republic bruhwhy
legend
2021-06-24 20:03
#140
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Poland Menaheer
God
2021-06-24 20:11
NEO was famous for his movement and CS:GO kind of nerfed that... Still, one of the all-time greats -- His legacy is always known. :D
2021-06-24 20:47
f0rest > all
2021-06-24 20:49
It is not sad. Everyone acknowledges his 1.6 career. He was average in GO and that's it.
2021-06-24 20:57
#158
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Portugal RKO23
no one cares
2021-06-24 21:09
carrying 4 people is easier than carrying 10 people i guess
2021-06-24 23:19
NEO's got 7 S tier tournaments won in cs go including 1 major, also came 2nd in a super close major against astralis, compare him to niko for example who only has 6 S tier tournaments won and 0 majors i'd say NEO achieved more than so many other pros in cs go, whole vp squad was also very good early in csgo but age caught up with them, if they all were like 4 years younger they would've had a very strong era
2021-06-25 07:34
2 replies
he is in like top3 by achievements in cs overall, winning all those things in csgo you included +many top tournaments in 1.6, winner of 6 majors in 1.6, best player of 2011 by hltv and the title of a goat of 1.6 by most of the community
2021-06-25 11:36
also very cool guy, pog personality and has a mouse named after him(zowie fk), and he started all of this in the internet caffe and home in 2000s poland, just wow
2021-06-25 11:38
Not a god like you mentioned, but he was in same glory as f0rest Get_right Sunde and many more, definently one of best cs 1.6 players of all time respect
2021-06-25 16:01
#211
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Germany MC_T
Neo was in my opinion the best CS 1.6 player in the world. Ofc it was a close race with f0rest, but NEO was slightly better. I really like him in CS:GO, but ofc there are many other players now that are better than him.
2021-07-01 19:02
Strong!
2021-07-14 01:19
#213
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Brazil ramonzin
bot
2021-07-14 01:28
#214
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Sweden ashrobb
NEO was the kind of player you wanted in your team. Also he mastered movement on 1.6 like nobody did in the pro scene. Also very intelligent. Maybe he isn't the best 1.6 player, since you can argue in favor of f0rest being more consistent for a longer time, but he is definitely top 3.
2021-07-15 17:23
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