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TiramisU | 
France taaa 
+Nivera/allu Either of them is a big upgrade imo
2021-07-15 16:15
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#1
val | 
Sweden ve!
allu GOAT
2021-07-15 16:16
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+1 Makes sense for him to be fucking sheeps.
2021-07-15 16:17
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#8
val | 
Sweden ve!
Wtf?
2021-07-15 16:18
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He's the goat right? Edit: Actually, he'd be fucking nannys.
2021-07-15 16:30
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nt he fucks everything with 4 legs
2021-07-15 16:42
allu is goat 100% better yhan fallen
2021-07-16 00:30
Neither of them is a big upgrade imo
2021-07-15 16:16
#3
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Russia ToughGuy
angry brazilians inc...
2021-07-15 16:17
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#5
val | 
Sweden ve!
+1
2021-07-15 16:17
actually only BR liquid fans are angry lol I'm a fan of fallen, but I think a Brazilian team would be better for him
2021-07-15 16:24
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Honestly I agree. Brazil scene respects him way more. Idk whats going on in Liquid but Fallen should be IGL or gtfo. Stewie taking IGL just aint it
2021-07-15 21:42
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#79
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Switzerland f3ni_
From what I've heard, Stew is only IGLing on Nuke, otherwise it's FalleNs job, am I right?
2021-07-16 00:08
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I heard Stew took over completely idk. I just hope Fallen demands the respect or leaves because him as a sole awp does nothing for Liquid. Right now he isnt even in great form like you could find 15 better awpers but him as an IGL brings so much compared to other players
2021-07-16 00:09
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#82
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Switzerland f3ni_
Just found an article, that Fallen actually took over the IGL role: win.gg/news/7275/fallen-replaces-stewie2.. Well, at this point, I think it's the best for the team to give them more time. Maybe more experience together could help.
2021-07-16 00:12
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This is old. Fallen took over IGL and then for the NA RMR Stewie took it back.
2021-07-16 00:13
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#84
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Switzerland f3ni_
That's hella weird, since they ended on a respectable 3-4th place finish in that tournament...
2021-07-16 00:15
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well, afterwards they lost first round of EPL, got 3rd-4th at a low tier NA event, and then lost to Dignitas in the first round of Blast
2021-07-16 04:42
#85
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Switzerland f3ni_
Well, I think especially the next tournament will determine if we'll see any changes in the roaster
2021-07-16 00:15
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In my opinion Fallen needs IGL and Grim needs to be swapped out for someone supportive. I wouldnt mind seeing someone like Tarik tbh
2021-07-16 00:16
Oh no what brazilians really want is a -Fallen, so we can have The Last Dance. Coldzera, fer, fnx, Fallen and Taco together again. Easy major. Liquid is really not taking advantage of Professor's skills. Instead he's been relegated to a support only position, only to satisfy Stewie's ego. Then they would say Fallen is the problem. Send him back to us.
2021-07-15 16:45
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-Taco
2021-07-15 16:51
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You're not wrong
2021-07-15 16:59
+1
2021-07-15 17:10
+1
2021-07-15 20:23
allu
2021-07-16 00:30
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Japan Mitzuky
8/8
2021-07-15 16:17
#7
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Liberia rationale
I vote for osee or junior, however the real issue is that they are lacking a good IGL and I don't know any good IGLs in NA
2021-07-15 16:19
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Both<<allu/Nivera
2021-07-15 16:18
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#10
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Liberia rationale
Both speak English.
2021-07-15 16:19
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You think allu who played in FaZe optic and mouz cant speak english? XD Nivera also speaks it but probbably not the greatest at it. x50 better than junior and osee as a player though
2021-07-15 16:21
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so allu is a better option but idk, he is known for missing shots and taking bad decisions at clutches
2021-07-15 16:26
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junior worse
2021-07-16 04:43
#54
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Denmark K0rs_
oSee will be a better choice. Give him 6 months on Liquid and he will perform on the same level as Allu has done the last 1-2 years
2021-07-15 19:48
#58
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United States okuulanda
no way allu is better bro. those two have a shit ton of potential to capitalize on
2021-07-15 19:56
oSee on LAN rofl
2021-07-16 00:09
last i heard from nivera he was trying out for a team in valorant so idk allu would be great, fallen can't even hit easy shots anymore
2021-07-15 16:20
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not true about nivera
2021-07-15 16:21
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i think he was trialing for team liquid valorant 2 months ago but havent heard anything since
2021-07-15 16:34
#14
EliGE | 
Poland Roxin
I thought Nivera moved to valorant
2021-07-15 16:23
4 replies
Just a rumor
2021-07-15 16:26
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#26
EliGE | 
Poland Roxin
So he is still eager to compete on highest level?
2021-07-15 16:29
2 replies
Probbably
2021-07-15 16:31
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#33
EliGE | 
Poland Roxin
I dont think he can speak English tho, so probably will join some local team
2021-07-15 16:35
Do that so Fallen can make Sk again with fer, cold, taco.
2021-07-15 16:25
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Actually that would be awesome.
2021-07-15 16:26
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Fer said he would do a team with cold and dont want to play with no experienced guys. Cold said he does not want to play with new guys without lan experience, and always put Fallen/fer on his dream teams. Fer also said Sk org maybe comeback, that people will be surprised. Fallen dont feel comfortable playing on liquid. All of them talk nostalgic about the past so could easely happen.
2021-07-15 16:32
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This guy is not wrong. Everything checks! And I'll say more - fer even asked fnx if he'd be commited to The Last Dance, and fnx answered saying he'd train his butts off for another major.
2021-07-15 16:49
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#55
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Italy steven513
oh fuck! really? LETS GOOO FNX
2021-07-15 19:50
highly doubt that sk would pick them or that they would want to join them:DD
2021-07-15 16:29
this team dont work anymore
2021-07-15 16:33
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We cant know without testing it. Thats the true "sk the dream". Sonha brasileirinho *-*
2021-07-15 16:40
u wanna compare a retired player with fallen? lul
2021-07-15 16:25
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0/8
2021-07-15 16:26
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what u talking about baguette
2021-07-15 16:26
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ok but he was retired and now without a team lul
2021-07-16 00:02
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Break and retired arent the same thing
2021-07-16 04:31
Fallen IGL/AWP Team liquid top 4 in 1 months... only Fallen back to igl pls :(
2021-07-15 16:33
allus time is over
2021-07-15 16:35
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mb not yet
2021-07-16 00:31
#34
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Brazil cauby
Agree - Fallen. Then + Fallen at FuriaCU, so they can a chance at the majors. Or even, a new team, Fallen + Coldzera +3 players level 20 little narutos from GC.
2021-07-15 16:36
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Fallen + cold + fer + saffe +1
2021-07-15 16:45
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Fallen + saffee makes no sense. It was kinda bad when he played with kNgV on mibr
2021-07-16 04:30
terrible upgrades but -fallen anyways
2021-07-15 16:36
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#37
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Sweden ve!
Nt noscene
2021-07-15 16:42
You can put s1mple in Liquid, it won't get better till they fix it's playstyle changing the IGL from Stewie to FalleN.
2021-07-15 16:46
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They did have Fallen as IGL for some time, but it didn't work that well either. I think problem with Liquid is that their playstyle is kinda outdated as both Stew & Fallen are long time veteran. They need some young blood to revamp the team, for example - Fallen + oSee and - Stew + oBo. The reason why its hard for Liquid to close a game when they have huge lead is because their playstyle is too predictable after certain point, and its so easy to counter them.
2021-07-15 16:55
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LOL FALLEN IGL LIQUID TOP 4 ???
2021-07-15 16:59
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#56
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Denmark K0rs_
Liquid won cs summit with Stewie. Its not because they changed back to Stewie. Its because they havent played any tournaments lately. That puts us down
2021-07-15 19:50
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You are definitely delusional if you think winning a local tournament in a dead region was a great achievement. Beating Pain, Extremum, or a struggling Furia doesn't show anything. Why not look at games they lose to dignitas, NIP, BIG or struggling against mouse? They are definitely having problems and it will keep going like this until they change at least half of the core roster.
2021-07-15 20:04
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#71
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Denmark K0rs_
I totally agree with you that summit doesnt matter. I just made a point that it doesnt matter if Stewie or Fallen was the IGL. I agree with switches. Atleast fallen out. And even tho i love stewie, switching him out to get a IGL could still be a viable option. Grim, NAF, and Elige should not be the people that got taken off the roster
2021-07-15 21:02
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Agreed. Grim has so much potential and I really think he can be much better once hes taken over Stew's role. Fallen could be temporary but not a long term solution for Liquid for sure. If Liquid can get a younger IGL and another awper like oSee, the team can be insane.
2021-07-15 21:40
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#74
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Denmark K0rs_
The problem is just that there arent any IGL's in America that is worth something. Tbh making a -stewie -fallen and +alex +osee would be the best solution that they could do
2021-07-15 21:41
Yes and how long did that last? 1-2 weeks? Counting on a 30 years old IGL is not a long term solution for Liquid. Look at Gambit and how they build their team full of young players with a desire to win along side only 1 veteran (Hobbit). Elige, Naf, Stew, Fallen are all heavy veterans in this game and they will fall off very soon. If you watched Liquid recent matches you can see that this team is struggling a lot in terms of mid/late round decisions making and unable to close games on a big lead.
2021-07-15 20:02
Yes, they had FalleN as IGL and they won the Summit with him, the problem with FalleN in that role isn't lack of quality, it is that his teammates prefer Stewie cuz they feel "more comfortable", at least that's what they said on interview. Disagree when people say +oSee cuz the only reason to add him is the firepower and the problem with Liquid, imo, isn't firepower, it's their playstyle that I believe FalleN can change it.
2021-07-15 19:47
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Winning summit in a dead region is not a big deal. Liquid won against Pain, Extremum and a struggling Furia so that's really expected from them. Look at the game they lost to Dig, NIP, BIG or struggling against mouse? They are clearly having problems with their calls and executions. Also, Stew & Fallen are already on the other side of the career hill, their desire/motivation to win is definitely not as big as the youngsters like Gambit players... Why not do the transition now and Liquid can be a great contender next year?
2021-07-15 20:07
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I agree, it isn't a big deal compared to EU but still an achievement. How's FalleN's fault the matches they lost to BIG, Dig and NIP? Tbh everyone in Liquid is underperforming, nobody is actually having sucess in it's role and the reason for it, imo, it's Stewie calls. I don't agree with FalleN and Stewie not having the same motivation as Gambit to win, Hobbit already won a major and is 27 y.o. and is still kicking, that's not really an argument. I'm always against roster changes, not always the problem is in the players, most of the times it's in the way the team is playing, so Liquid should try FalleN as the IGL and see what happens, if they don't succeed, then they should change something else.
2021-07-15 21:00
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1. It was not Fallen's fault, but he was part of the team that conceived those terrible losses. So he might not be the direct problem itself, he's part of the bigger problem. You can't blame everything on the IGL, it should be 40% IGL and 60% is the players and their mentalities, which Liquid has always been lacking since 2020. 2. First, Fallen is 30 years old already. That's already really close to retirement age for a pro in any esports. Stewie is a very moody player and he became extremely unstable during the period of 2020-2021. Plus, they are from NA, a non existent region with very low competition. CIS is much tougher and you always need to stay in shape to compete with other T1 teams. Also, the 4 youngsters in Gambit can motiate Hobbit a lot, but do you think players like Naf & Grim can motivate Fallen & Stewie when they are down?? 3. Liquid had ALREADY tried Fallen as IGL for few months, and it didn't work that well. Fallen can't even IGL on certain maps like Nuke (because hes very inexperienced with it) so thats why they switched back to Stewie/mix. I really think the best combination for Liquid going forward would be 2 veterans (Naf, Elige) and 3 young blood who are hungry for titles (Grim, x , x).
2021-07-15 21:38
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Basically you're saying FalleN needs to leave cuz he's old and has no motivation? That doesn't seem right, being old doesn't mean you are unmotivated, and to be honest, I think he's just motivated as he was in the past cuz now he's in Liquid, the biggest org he has ever been, with great players like Elige and Naf. Yeah, they tried FalleN as IGL and won Summit, winning Summit doesn't mean that "it didn't work well", it's the opposite, it worked very well, they only chaged his role cuz the teammates rather Stewie on it. If FalleN doesn't work as IGL then yeah, change the roster.
2021-07-16 04:07
Stewie tilt and mald every round.
2021-07-15 20:05
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As a Liquid fan I honestly think Stew should just step down. Yes he can have some crazy rounds that keep Liquid in the game but he threw many important ones as well. If Liquid want to contend for major they can't make such mistakes against Tier 1 teams... Same with Fallen, I'm not saying hes bad bad, but just that you can't count on a 30 years old IGL to be the long term solution. Grim is literally 10 years younger than him. We need players like him with the fire and desire to compete, instead of someone who were already a major champion like Fallen or Stew...
2021-07-15 20:10
not even at the height allu could be better Fallen.
2021-07-15 16:49
any t2 awper that is farming rn is an upgrade over FalleN. oskar, smooya, the 50 CIS awpers, oSee, allu (idk about that one tho he is kinda washed), Nivera (idk if he has touched the game for about 6+ months).
2021-07-15 16:51
fallen top 5 AWP ...he is better than any allu nivera and so on. better than fallen is only zywoo and s1mple...maybe dev1ce but fallen destroyed him vs nip
2021-07-15 16:58
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#51
val | 
Sweden ve!
XD
2021-07-15 17:01
+1
2021-07-15 20:04
#76
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Brazil sn3fru
+1
2021-07-15 21:57
hltv.org/stats/players/695/allu?startDat.. hltv.org/stats/players/2023/fallen?start.. tell me how allu can be much better than fallen while having barely better stats playing against much weaker opposition and not playing support like fallen nivera yes if he can support and speak fluent english
2021-07-15 16:58
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I´m not arguing who´s better or even who has the biggest balls (:D), but allu wasn´t at his best with snappis playstyle. That´s probably also the reason for his "vacation". Also the weird thing is that for some reason allu usually plays like shit against these "weaker" teams you mentioned. Don´t know if that´s a mental thing or what. Even in shitty 2020 ENCE his playing was always awesome against top teams. Biggest downside about him is that train isn´t anymore at the active map pool, allu has always been and still is one of the best AWP players in train.
2021-07-15 20:20
#57
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Brazil hugoooo
I wonder if this is the new bait-trend or if you guys actually think FalleN sucks that much
2021-07-15 19:54
of course, more firepower!
2021-07-15 20:01
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they are actually lacking firepower now twistzz nitro has way more firepower than fallen grim
2021-07-15 20:21
#66
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Brazil Dgo07
Allu kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-07-15 20:15
remember some time ago when fallen was supposedly the perfect fir for lulquid? "he can awp and igl and that's what they are missing!" he is definitely not washed up because he will be motivated to prove he is not tow faced toledo after all the mibr drama :D. Liquid (elige and naf) deserve better.
2021-07-16 00:04
they shouId sigh KennyS
2021-07-16 00:23
i agree with nivera, however allu is... inconsistent asf
2021-07-16 04:08
afaik stew took over igl role therefore fallen become kinda useless (once there are lots of awpers better than him), i'll give them time but i'd bet on +osee
2021-07-16 04:27
#96
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Canada Femtal
+osee most obvious choice team liquid would become top 5 100% maybe win a few tournaments well its pretty dead for the na scene at least for a few years maybe by 2023 we will have top teams again :L
2021-07-16 04:34
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flair checks out, but i do agree
2021-07-16 04:53
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