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should the entire map pool be overhauled?
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United States Based_Akhi 
i know this sounds insane, and it probably is, but IMO every map is boring to watch besides ancient and maybe vertigo (except for when teams are actually playing and not playing like robots) basically the maps are just too stale, inferno you take banana control every round, Dust 2 you either take long or short, vertigo you take A ramp, it is just watching the same shit with different teams
2021-07-18 19:22
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Only constantly interesting map imo is Inferno, other maps get repetitive or are just ok
2021-07-18 19:23
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inferno and mirage are always fun for me. mirage is kinda evolving and that kept it interesting
2021-07-18 19:25
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"Mirage is kinda evolving" xaxaxxaxaxa
2021-07-18 19:59
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it is tho. a lot more importance shifted to short instead of connector because everybody uses a shitton of mollies and smokes on it.
2021-07-18 20:41
Idk, either the average IQ on HLTV has tanked massively or the number of baiters has risen exponentially
2021-07-19 04:42
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United States Based_Akhi
inferno is always the decider, sometimes it is interesting to watch tho, but it is the same shit every round almost
2021-07-18 19:26
Inferno is interesting? 2/3's of the rounds are saves. Find a way to stop that and it would be a good map
2021-07-19 02:12
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wont happen with shit coaches and igls as we have now inferno is the perfect map to win force buys with smgs instead of rifles
2021-07-19 04:46
No
2021-07-18 19:26
they need cobble, tuscan, cache, season imo
2021-07-18 19:26
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New cobble is horrible
2021-07-18 19:28
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Old cobble was pretty bad on the pro level, ngl. It was rush B simulator most of the time.
2021-07-18 19:48
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Pretty much inferno now
2021-07-18 19:50
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Nah Inferno is fine, plenty of A hits. Cobble was waaaaaay worse.
2021-07-18 19:50
lmao rush b on inferno can easily be a single man hold
2021-07-18 20:43
just put your awper at newbox :)
2021-07-19 04:28
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United States Based_Akhi
i like the current cache except for the colors, they changed some stuff but not drastically, although they need to change more with b main, that way every round can be something spicy cobblestone rn is pretty bad but i agree with everything else
2021-07-18 19:33
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i think they can easily fix cobble, i wont speak much on cache because i really despise the new colors, but i guess it still plays good
2021-07-18 20:07
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Denmark pebblez
Dust 2 and Mirage are maybe boring but the rest are all great but big +1 to your Vertigo support, great map.
2021-07-18 19:26
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Finland iBait
Ah yes who doesn't enjoy Vertigo aka kill the planter through the smoke simulator
2021-07-18 19:28
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Romania assdada
+1 but imo nuke is good rest should go
2021-07-18 19:27
Have a rotating map pool every year. So for example next year you could -mirage -dust2 and add 2 new/other maps and same repeated every year with different maps being cycled in and out.
2021-07-18 19:27
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United States Based_Akhi
i agree, its been like 2 years since we have had a new active duty map pool until ancient was added, if every year they added 2 maps i think it would be completely fine and would make it entertaining to watch
2021-07-18 19:42
Knowing what maps are eligible to be in the pool ahead of time would be nice. Would be nice if they swapped in a new map after each major too, that's the perfect time imo.
2021-07-18 19:57
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Yea thats what I'm trying to say, it can be 1 map in after a major, or 2 after a year, have like 10 maps or more that you can continue to cycle in and out per year or per major.
2021-07-18 20:11
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I think once per year would probably be better honestly, but rn I wouldn't mind once per major
2021-07-18 20:33
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Once per year would mean that if they were to remove for example D2 for next year, we wouldn't see that map played for at least 6 more years if we are talking about having 8 maps in the pool. I am talking about having around 9 or 10. So that would be 7-8 years without that map and thats too long imo.
2021-07-18 20:35
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Idk, I don't think you necessarily have to treat all maps the same way. I think for classic maps like Inferno, Mirage, and Dust you have one year on, one year off, and the other maps come in and out.
2021-07-18 20:37
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But its not just the classic maps that are getting stale, ofc they are more stale than others but just think the last time Nuke and Overpass got a change and even Vertigo for that matter. I think its best if we change out 2 maps each year and have a cycle of around 9-10 maps including train and some newly developed maps.
2021-07-18 20:42
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Maybe 9 months then, I feel like 6 months is too often for a change, idk. Teams take a long time to adjust to new maps, and 6 months is when a proper meta only begins to develop. Maybe they could do some of the changes right before a player break instead so they don't have a hard deadline, and they can space them out better.
2021-07-18 20:51
Yeah, there should be rotating map pool. Maybe 2 maps every 6 months or once a year. Inform teams like month before maps changes and have 10-12 maps which are rotating.
2021-07-18 20:42
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Edit: wrong reply rip me
2021-07-26 18:45
Inferno is just a cancer b rush that either works or doesn't work.
2021-07-18 19:28
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+9999999999999999
2021-07-18 19:29
Well if you're from a certain country (which I won't name), you'd do that on mirage and dust 2 as well!
2021-07-19 04:44
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Mirage and Dust 2 are just "Never rotate, ever!" Never rotate when stuck in apts/Tuns, and never rotate when teammates beg for help or call bomb. If you rotate you get banned.
2021-07-26 18:45
Shitferno and Shitigo worst maps
2021-07-18 19:29
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United States Based_Akhi
worst map rn to watch is definitely Dust 2, literally same shit every round, except you might get a push into upper from CT these maps need to have a good change or just get removed imo
2021-07-18 19:35
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Spain ANUEL_AA
i like it when every map on the competitive pool was a 50-50 map, some of the maps right now are really 70-30 what makes the game way more borring
2021-07-18 19:32
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#18
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United States Based_Akhi
+100 nowadays you cannot come up with new strats because everything has already been invented, it is just a matter of which old strat you want to do this round, except for ancient which tbf is incredibly ct sided
2021-07-18 19:36
Nah. Just add 2-3 additional maps without removing other maps.
2021-07-18 19:34
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United States Based_Akhi
interesting take but how would the pick/ban system work, would you just add another ban for each team to decide? if so, you will probably just get the same maps being played, with the exception of a couple new maps in a series, realistically you could only see the news maps being played like 2-3 times across the entire tournament, instead of something like 7-8 times
2021-07-18 19:39
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I would stick with 1 ban for now. If the map pool gets big enough to warrant 2 bans each, then do it but until then stick with 1 ban each to get some variety going. I would only do 2 bans with 14 maps or more tbh. Replacing 1 map at a time just makes it easy for pro teams to ignore the new map and keep it as a perma ban.
2021-07-18 20:05
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But you're saying there should be 9 maps in rotation and only 1 map ban each? There is no chance any team can learn to play 7-8 maps in the pool. Teams struggle now a days to even learn 4 or 5. The maps would be too one sided cause some teams would spend more time on them whilst others wont spend any time on them. Meaning the first 2 maps of a series are one sided and the 3rd map is the only close one.
2021-07-18 20:38
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United States B0b3rT
WE NEED CANALS
2021-07-18 19:37
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United States Based_Akhi
it is a fun map no doubt but it does not fit pro gameplay imo, too many angles, not enough utility, now it would be fun to watch, but this is the same problem ancient suffers from, too ct sided
2021-07-18 19:41
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Just need more overpass picks but no one likes overpass
2021-07-18 19:52
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United States B0b3rT
It could use some changes after a few matches, I’m just sad because they added ancient and overpass into comp play and the only valve map they didn’t was canals and I loved that map
2021-07-18 20:58
I've been saying this for years, they should remove all maps and add 7 new ones. and 2 hostage maps. give us something new and interesting
2021-07-18 20:13
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United States Based_Akhi
i think they should try one hostage map, and see how that goes, but it is a huge risk, although it would be very very entertaining to watch
2021-07-18 20:21
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the original insertion would be fun
2021-07-18 20:25
a completely new map pool would be nice
2021-07-18 20:43
for sure
2021-07-18 21:50
I miss Train ngl. My favourite maps to watch: Dust2, Mirage, Nuke, Vertigo. My least favourite: Ancient, Overpass and Inferno. I would like to see Cache again tbh. But they definitely need to change maps more often. You see the same procedures on almost every map in 2021 because the teams are better than ever on the tactical part. A positive aspect of adding a brand new map to the pool is that everyone needs to learn smokes, flashes, timings etc. But it won't take long before everything is discovered and we are back to what it is like to watch Inferno these days. But hey, that's CSGO.
2021-07-18 22:03
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Iceland xandoer
+canals -dust2 They should at least try it
2021-07-18 22:09
stopped reading at "but IMO every map is boring to watch besides ancient and maybe vertigo" Ancient and vertigo are the 2 worst fucking maps in the pool, 0/8 thread
2021-07-18 22:11
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United States Based_Akhi
just my opinion, why u have to be mad
2021-07-19 01:19
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I mean, I'm not mad, but that has to be the MOST unpopular opinion ever, it actually tilted me a bit seeing that written down lol.
2021-07-19 01:58
Nuke is totally mental. You can see insane moments anywhere in the map. Train had a lot of ways to play it, so I'm very disappointed to see it replaced for Ancient, a very plain map like dust2/mirage (meh). It looks it's still in the works... how can you throw in a map not even finished (maybe 80%), in the map pool?
2021-07-18 22:27
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+1 Nuke 100% best map in the pool, to play and watch
2021-07-19 02:06
replace dust 2 with cache
2021-07-18 22:32
D2 out is fine for now and then mirage… rest is fine
2021-07-19 02:01
I would love to see that.
2021-07-26 18:48
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