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LIQUID -FalleN
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Brazil Anarchybr 
Whoever says TL needs to kick FalleN is straightup braindead. When he was their IGL, EligE and NAF were top fragging, Stewie was looking like his 2019 form, Grim was okay and they climb to #4 in the ranking after a semi-final finish in Katowice. Even FalleN himself was performing good with a 1.10 rating in that event. After that, he called strats for just one more month and after a terrible choke against Dignitas he was removed of his duties. Seriously, stupidest decision ever. Now Stewie is IGLing again and TL is free falling in the rankings and somehow looking worse than their 2020 form. If they think Stewie IGL is better they need to kick FalleN because even though he’s a fantastic support player, he’s a natural leader and only plays great when he’s calling. Let’s be honest he’s not his old self anymore but still can have great value. You don’t need a top awper abuser to be a top team, you just need a team who plays with great strats and can make trades. EliGE, NAF and Grim are more than enough firepower. Bring FalleN back to IGL and Liquid will have a great run at EPL, trust me.
2021-07-20 21:18
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#1
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United States Rayduh
-FalleN +oSee Liquid win major, trust me
2021-07-20 21:20
19 replies
#10
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Brazil Anarchybr
With Stewie10am strats? Good luck
2021-07-20 21:22
14 replies
#14
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Portugal _andrew_
true
2021-07-20 21:24
#32
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Brazil urisco
2021-07-20 22:13
8 replies
Tarik was the IGL btw. problem is not stew or fallen but lack of practice in EU. Its like playing in silver lobby for 3 months and you have to play against LEM's in a week.
2021-07-20 22:26
7 replies
No, he wasn’t. Stew was the IGL.
2021-07-21 23:35
6 replies
it was tarik
2021-07-21 23:51
tarik was the igl, everyone knows that lmao
2021-07-22 05:09
Stewie 10am fans be like
2021-07-22 05:27
lol
2021-07-22 12:35
fake NA? a ture NA should know that xD
2021-07-22 16:39
Stewie should never be IGL! Get a proper IGL ffs. Best option would be awper IGL and they already have one so use him ffs, so dumb.
2021-07-21 00:27
3 replies
they have a proper igl but they dont wanna use him
2021-07-21 00:59
1 reply
#159
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Finland r1CEsT1CK
Sadly true
2021-07-22 16:37
#72
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Brazil Anarchybr
+1
2021-07-21 01:25
Yeah, however you missed out on one detail. Liquid will have 4 players and 1 anchor (stewie). It will drag their boat down and turn them the fuck over
2021-07-20 21:32
1 reply
I have nothing against stewie but the guy is really inconsistent, he will drop 30 kills in a map, another one he will just drag the team down
2021-07-21 23:37
#144
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Argentina Shuanx
oSee is the single most overrated player in cs rn. ofc he has good stats because he plays against tier 1000 NA teams
2021-07-22 01:50
1 reply
#152
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United States Rayduh
1.44 ratings against Astralis (top 4 team in Cologne), but sure ok you're biased that's ok
2021-07-22 12:33
#2
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Europe robo1234
Fallen is the worst Brazilian player from Liquid, they should kick him!
2021-07-20 21:20
14 replies
#4
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Austria Ostmark
+1
2021-07-20 21:21
#7
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Brazil Anarchybr
Well that’s actually false because Stew is also Brazilian and he’s worse. Elige is the best BR player on Liquid tho.
2021-07-20 21:21
6 replies
+1 elige and stewie are brazilians, elige just pretends to be american: twitter.com/EliGE/status/141391553542800..
2021-07-20 21:24
5 replies
You're so braindead its unbelievable.
2021-07-20 23:50
4 replies
#50
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Brazil Anarchybr
Perhaps you got baited?
2021-07-20 23:54
1 reply
0/8 i'm unbaitable.
2021-07-21 00:06
bro didn't you get the joke? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-07-21 00:05
#88
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United States NABOT
baited lmaooo noob
2021-07-21 02:20
#8
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Brazil veinnN
EU joke
2021-07-20 21:21
2 replies
flair flag
2021-07-22 12:40
1 reply
did you like it?
2021-07-22 17:00
#9
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Denmark KhT
true
2021-07-20 21:21
+1
2021-07-20 21:27
FalleN is brazilian, they should kick him.
2021-07-21 03:53
nice flag
2021-07-20 21:21
4 replies
nice flair
2021-07-21 21:52
3 replies
thx lithuania lit i know
2021-07-21 21:53
2 replies
👍 nice
2021-07-21 21:53
can't spell lithuania without lit
2021-07-22 00:10
FalleN will leave Liquid and reunite with cold, fer and fnx in new Brazilian team Liquid will try junior as a new AWPer
2021-07-20 21:21
6 replies
#19
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Portugal _andrew_
junior sucks so much
2021-07-20 21:29
4 replies
It was a quick pick Maybe oSee
2021-07-20 21:34
1 reply
Only while playing in furia. Maybe it has something to do with four fifths of his team not speaking there native language or it could be play style Junior was very aggressive in his past teams. hltv.org/matches/2345228/liquid-vs-trium.. He was up and coming in 2020 and looked good against top NA teams. hltv.org/stats/players/matches/14494/jun.. All he needs is a bit of time in an environment that speaks his language fully and let him be aggressive. PS. I could totally see. Shake IGLing for liquid in the future. Shake IGL Junior AWP NAF lurker Elige Entry Grim Anchor Ironically this was Triumph when the team looked the best + elige and naf - penny and spongey.
2021-07-21 00:48
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#154
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United Kingdom LeMonkke
Tbh I think junior would look stronger on eg, cerq is really struggling now
2021-07-22 12:39
man tbh i would love it
2021-07-21 01:29
#6
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Portugal _andrew_
fallen is the best support player dude he have the best flashes and thats help so much the team, fallen can do every role, support, entry, awper, igl, rifler, yes he is old but if he can do it all he is still a great player, *my opinion* grim's last performance was kinda good, he's young, he has a lot to learn, lack of experience but he has very good aim, and I already had the opportunity to talk to AdreN about the team and he said grim wouldn't leave from the team so soon, because he's talented he has a good aim he just needs to gain experience and that's why he's at Team Liquid. Grim was destroying, I didn't want to be exaggerated but he is much better than when he arrived on the team, yes you are right the argument of having good aim is not a good argument but we are talking about different aims, pros aims are different from one a global aim, however what i wanted to say is that grim is playing quite well, he is talented.
2021-07-20 21:21
8 replies
TLDR fallen is gud
2021-07-21 00:33
how did you talk with adren?
2021-07-21 02:10
6 replies
#101
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Portugal _andrew_
on discord he make a call whit fans
2021-07-21 19:17
5 replies
wow plz send me this discord server lol
2021-07-21 19:31
4 replies
+1
2021-07-21 19:35
1 reply
#107
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Portugal _andrew_
2021-07-21 20:13
#106
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Portugal _andrew_
2021-07-21 20:13
1 reply
thx
2021-07-21 23:06
LIQUID -FalleN
2021-07-20 21:22
TL looked very good when FalleN was IGL-ing, but the team (and by team, I'm pretty sure just Elige and Stewie) didn't like his style. That was fine, FalleN is still a good AWPer, so things looked bright. During Cologne though, they started putting the AWP on NAF or Stewie, and even trying triple AWP sets with Elige. If FalleN isn't IGL-ing, and he isn't AWP-ing, why is he still on this team? I'm sure the coach change didn't help either.
2021-07-20 21:23
6 replies
#18
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Portugal _andrew_
for me if stewie have better calls than fallen , -Fallen, but stewie calls dont feel good so -stewie
2021-07-20 21:28
looks like them dont believe in him to do these roles, it affect his play style and moral even that hes very good as support. If they dont believe his skills, better kick him and free him to play on a team that do.
2021-07-20 21:30
3 replies
#29
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Brazil Anarchybr
+1
2021-07-20 21:41
if he can't even perform for the last 6 months, how are they supposed to believe in him?
2021-07-20 23:48
1 reply
You're just a big meanie!
2021-07-21 02:24
Those decisions to have multiple awps made me so angry dude. They were making a comeback on Vertigo with a setup of 4 riflers and 1 awp (NAF, holding it on B site). Then Stewie buys an awp, doesn't do shit with it. They lost trying to retake A with two awps. It makes sense to have naf and stewie occasionaly have the awp, but they're doing some stupid shit.
2021-07-20 21:56
expected flag...
2021-07-20 21:26
Actually if they dont believe on FalleN igl skills, better kick him so he can go to a team that do.
2021-07-20 21:27
1 reply
+1 👍
2021-07-21 21:55
So fallen was good for liquid and stewie is bad for liquid why are you talking about kicking fallen then?
2021-07-20 21:30
3 replies
#25
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Russia Teddy8ear
+1
2021-07-20 21:35
#36
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Brazil Anarchybr
Because what’s the point of having him if he’s not going to IGL and even not awp on some situations? In Cologne they have the awp to NAF and Stew rather than giving it to him sometimes
2021-07-20 22:26
+1 👍👍👍👍
2021-07-21 21:55
#23
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Russia Teddy8ear
-BOT2k Papa Fallen igl +Coldzera ez
2021-07-20 21:33
7 replies
+1 and Grim to do stewie role, at least he dont mald every round.
2021-07-20 21:35
2 replies
#31
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Russia Teddy8ear
+1
2021-07-20 22:07
+1 to both replies
2021-07-21 00:53
This makes way too much sense
2021-07-21 02:03
well that would be great but I think TL would replace grim for coldzera because stewie's more popular
2021-07-21 20:21
nice 👍
2021-07-21 21:55
+1
2021-07-21 23:39
#26
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Portugal RKO23
fuck off.
2021-07-20 21:35
TRUE BRO, FALLENIGL LIQUID TOP4 FACT IS FACT
2021-07-20 22:17
1 reply
are you fakeflagger? lmao eligedamassa isn't a common name for an american guy
2021-07-21 02:12
#34
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United States Jeebur
Liquid got 16-2d by Dignitas and exited a tourney dead last with him calling.
2021-07-20 22:21
14 replies
#37
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Brazil Anarchybr
And they sucked on Cologne with Stew calling so? Also, their peak was higher with Fallen IGLing than with stew who proved Multiple times that he’s not a good enough IGL.
2021-07-20 22:27
3 replies
Liquid wasn't terrible in Cologne. They screwed up their vetoes bad by thinking they could play D2, and then handed NiP the free win by letting Mirage go through to map 3. They then did the same thing to Mouz, but barely won out on the third map. Liquid just needs to finally play Ancient, then they're an easy Top-10 team.
2021-07-20 23:50
#56
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United States Jeebur
their strats were clearly better in cologne than any time before the only thing that failed them was not playing in any officials besides an NA tournament.
2021-07-21 00:24
1 reply
No its elige and stew who cannot kill nobody or do stupid move who cost them rounds.
2021-07-21 23:35
Yes, a fucking MD1 Liquid with FalleN IGL beated NAVI(with 10 wins in a row) and Virtus.Pro, i don't think is fair say FalleN is bad IGLing because one map
2021-07-21 00:56
4 replies
#79
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United States Jeebur
his own team has said his strats were outdated
2021-07-21 01:57
3 replies
They don't, their own team just said they feel more comfortable with Stewie2k's strategies What's obvious, Stewie IGLed for a long time, and FalleN only IGLed with the same line (Fer, Cold and Taco) It's a time question, FalleN gave very good results
2021-07-21 02:03
2 replies
#138
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United States Jeebur
stew called for c9 for a short time and thats all his experience with calling. fallen did not bring the results needed and his strats were called outdated.
2021-07-22 00:03
1 reply
I mean, Stewie IGLed after nitr0 leaves, so the lineup got used to Stewie calls
2021-07-22 01:42
#68
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Brazil gosttavoo
liquid got 16x5 on nuke (a map that stew was igling) whats your point?
2021-07-21 01:11
3 replies
#80
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United States Jeebur
his own team said his strats were outdated and when he cant lead Liquid to a victory or even a close game vs a team outside of the top 30 thats an issue.
2021-07-21 01:58
2 replies
But at this point, the whole team is outdated. Stew have a position rating every 3 games, elige is really off (probably too much valorant). I miss nitro as a igl, stew is very far from him.
2021-07-21 23:39
#147
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North America guimi
When did they say this? I find it hard to believe teammates would go around saying his style is outdated while he is still part of the team.
2021-07-22 05:05
#145
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North America guimi
Wrong, they got 16-5ed on Nuke, which was the only map Stewie IGLed when FalleN was the primary IGL.
2021-07-22 05:04
#38
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Faroe Islands staxus
+JW
2021-07-20 22:28
3 replies
#40
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Brazil Anarchybr
Wtf? liquid Is not a retirement home
2021-07-20 23:01
2 replies
#41
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Faroe Islands staxus
he gonna push 5 mans through the smoke very effectively with awp and full equipment
2021-07-20 23:03
1 reply
#42
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Brazil Anarchybr
Nice strats you convinced me -Fallen +JW
2021-07-20 23:43
If they keep Stewie being IGL, I rather see FalleN leaving Liquid, he's too much to not be respected.
2021-07-20 22:29
1 reply
he WAS
2021-07-20 23:48
He is the problem
2021-07-20 23:44
2 replies
the problem is he doesn't fit the team playstyle, or they change the roles and tactics or fallen play with cold and fer
2021-07-21 02:14
1 reply
+1
2021-07-21 11:20
#48
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Fallen in Liquid can only be a decent thing if he is IGL'ing. If he isn't he is useless, but if he is (and he should be) he can be what makes them going back to being a contender
2021-07-20 23:51
4 replies
+1 FalleN with AWP isn't good enough to EU tier1
2021-07-21 00:58
fallen is old now, so his rifle is better than his awp, so he can be rifle igl
2021-07-21 02:18
2 replies
#140
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
but if you are to have FalleN as an IG, let him awp, he bases his IGL'ing arround his awping
2021-07-22 01:27
1 reply
so this is it or he gets kicked to play with cold, that's it my friends bye lmao
2021-07-22 15:43
the only thing thats changed is elige in bad form and he was good when both fallen and stewie igled ultimitely the peak of both igls isnt great but the decline in elige stats isnt to do with stewie igling
2021-07-20 23:56
We do not know the full context of the situation, saying that he just had to let the roles go after one choke is probably not what happend
2021-07-21 00:48
1 reply
#91
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Brazil Anarchybr
In fact the official reason was because the team “felt more comfortable” with Stewie IGL
2021-07-21 03:38
TL needs to kick FalleN
2021-07-21 00:58
Pretty much all threads about team fixes and such are just retarded, but I actually agree on this one. FalleN should in my opinion also be doing the IGL role and it seems like they dont make good use of a player like Grim. He was a beast before joining Liquid. Edit - didnt read all. Your opinion is retarded. Mine is best gg
2021-07-21 01:06
2 replies
+1
2021-07-21 01:07
#74
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Brazil Anarchybr
Wtf? How do say you agreed and then you immediately say you don’t even read my post?
2021-07-21 01:27
#69
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Brazil gosttavoo
liquid needs to pracc more on EU and play more tournaments going to cologne with 1 week bootcamp dont looks like a great idea, and the players knew that (just read their interviews before cologne)
2021-07-21 01:14
I don`t know why people want to kick stewie or fallen, liquid wasn`t plying for about 1 month or something like that. And stewie and fallen were perfoming well at rmr
2021-07-21 01:18
1 reply
#75
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Brazil Anarchybr
This makes me mad, Liquid is probably the team in the top 15 who plays the fewest number of matches
2021-07-21 01:27
Osee would literately be the best option
2021-07-21 01:21
2 replies
#97
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Brazil Anarchybr
But they’d still need a proper IGL
2021-07-21 17:00
1 reply
I think stewie could work. Maybe +tarik might be a better option tbh
2021-07-21 19:56
#77
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Brazil 1930
but osee sounds good
2021-07-21 01:30
#78
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Canada SalFOX
Liquid Fix -FalleN +nitr0 -Grim +Twistzz We back to era again :)
2021-07-21 01:31
1 reply
fallen is better igl, but nitro is way better at awp considering fallen stats at mibr
2021-07-21 02:21
#81
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Europe GKDNZ
everything checks out
2021-07-21 01:59
My friend said anyone who loses to f0rest in 2021 needs to retire((
2021-07-21 03:40
He’s a bad player but not liquids issue. Team mentality is.
2021-07-21 03:48
+111111111 Absolutely agree with you!
2021-07-21 04:03
1 reply
#98
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Brazil Anarchybr
Thank you my friend <3
2021-07-21 17:01
Would love to see oSee in Lulquid
2021-07-21 17:39
Liquid is an American team, the European teams are now one step ahead. It's no one's fault, that's it.
2021-07-21 17:43
4 replies
They were catching up with EU. But most good NA players lacked determination & composure, so they simply chose to change lane into a heavily hyped new game made by people who once succeeded in challenging Valve. Can't really blame them for trying to make a living. Personally I am not touching that game, for one single reason: Agents with different abilities.
2021-07-21 20:19
3 replies
They bootcamp in Europe, but they don't live there. The weeks outside Europe make a difference. For example, everyone in the USA is playing at a lower level than what is currently seen in Europe so each day they fall a little further behind the "European" level. They're still good, but I'm not sure enough.
2021-07-21 21:46
2 replies
It's a negative spiral they can only stop while bootcamping in EU. It's inevitable for them to fall behind in the end. Valorant isn't even THAT popular a game. It's pro scene is overfunded, overhyped and overrepresented in the medias. It might end up like Overwatch in a few years, with a cancelled pro league, and players looking for a new job. I honestly think the various agents was a very bad move by them. I would have tried the game out if it wasn't for this and I feel I am not alone. Old habits die hard I guess, and making new agents/champions is something they are very busy at in the Riot ranks.
2021-07-21 23:29
1 reply
+1
2021-07-22 16:16
FalleN is washed
2021-07-21 19:33
1 reply
ok
2021-07-21 22:00
Your first sentence isn't really inviting to a proper discussion, but rather a shitfest of mudthrowing. I havent read a word beyond first sentence, and I am neutral in the discussion, curious, but not about your opinion, the way you present it. You should be a bit more relaxed when you bring forth such a discussion, if you want it to be fruitful in anyway.
2021-07-21 20:16
1 reply
#134
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Brazil Anarchybr
Nah, I wrote great arguments, trust me bro Source: me
2021-07-21 23:47
#110
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Brazil guhzzz
summarize in one sentence pls
2021-07-21 20:19
Fallen is a very nice guy. He's gonna put up with Stewie's bullshit calls and stick around.
2021-07-21 20:21
2 replies
should just - Stew + oBo then make Fallen full time IGL to see how it goes. I'm positive Liquid will do much better.
2021-07-21 21:57
1 reply
Perhaps people from NA don't actually realize how much of a complete IGL he is. He can call every single style in almost every map. He has great insights and calmness when it comes to decision making in close rounds. This showed in the beginning of 2021 when Liquid beat a lot of great teams in close games. Brazilians have been watching him do this every week on his Youtube channel against pro players in pugs. The only map that he struggles to call is Nuke, and obviously Ancient. I thought Moses would realize that, but I guess he and Stewie saw it differently. Their loss. I personally think he is a much better IGL than some overrated EU old timers like karrigan.
2021-07-22 20:57
I thought it was stated that Fallen gave up his IGL duties because of a confidence issue, and that it wasn't taken from him.
2021-07-21 20:30
1 reply
Nah I'm pretty sure adreN said it was because he didn't like FalleN's calling style, and I think Stewie said on tarik's stream a month or 2 ago that he thought FalleN's strats were outdated
2021-07-21 21:58
Sorry but unless FalleN decides to stop whiffing easy AWP shots, people are still going to say -FalleN Tbh I think they all lack consistency, doesn't help that they're currently in NA so they're not able to practice in EU
2021-07-21 21:57
Stewie isn't that great of an IGL. He had a fluke major win (with Tarik helping him calling), and that's about where the success of his calling ends. TL are done and over with. They might as well quit all together and apply to become 2nd Valorant roster.
2021-07-21 23:33
1 reply
#135
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Brazil Anarchybr
In fact tarik was their IGL and stew just secondary caller
2021-07-21 23:48
Fallen go to team BR out liquid team
2021-07-21 23:49
-bot2k ez.
2021-07-22 01:33
#142
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Brazil LucasFaes
what do you expect? of course they will blame the Brazilian player
2021-07-22 01:34
lol fallen washed up pls get him out of liquid
2021-07-22 05:05
Just give it time on lan I would say, it's very rare that a team will do well when they keep changing around members. Fallen is def way past his prime, but I think liquid will maybe regain some form with more practice
2021-07-22 05:13
#150
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Sweden LimGardz
later FalleN get the igl and changes all roster to brazil I hope -Fallen +Osee
2021-07-22 05:25
-fallen +cadian -stewie +rush/es3tag/obo
2021-07-22 15:48
-FalleN
2021-07-22 20:58
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