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Karrigan rosters
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Iceland no1_FaZe_fan 
1 - FaZe 2017 - (Rain, olof, niko, guardian) - only 2 rounds away from a major, undeniably one of the most feared roster to ever enter the scene, despite being beaten by miracle underdog C9. 2 - MouZ 2019 - (ropz, frozen, woxic, chrisJ) - surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one, randomly became an unbeatable core for like 3 months at the end of 2019, so much aggressive skill mixed with gigabrain calls from Carrygan. 3 - TSM 2015 - (device, dupreeh, xyp9x, cajunb) - may not seem like the most intimidating roster (at the time(before Astralis(they always choked))) but looking back at their achievements they were very successful, very much a molding period for karrigan to develop his abilities as an IGL. karrigan deserves our respect, whether you supported his rosters or hated them, they always provided entertaining and innovative counter-strike experiences.
2021-07-21 13:09
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#1
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India nadeeeee
I agree
2021-07-21 13:10
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tf? 1. Feared by who? 2. Unbeatable when? 3. Was throwed out of this roster
2021-07-21 13:54
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feared by the whole scene as the 1st true super star roster. 2. unbeatable in late 2019 - early 2020 becoming a team in the top 3 for a couple of months. 3 thrown out is the wrong term here as he agreed with zonic to leave to see more success for both parties.
2021-07-21 14:33
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+1
2021-07-23 02:08
Mouz were top 1 towards the end of 2019, beating prime Astralis to get there
2021-07-21 17:20
ESL NY 2017 was probably the most dominant team performance at a big event in CSGO history, save for maybe Katowice 2014. Not a single map lost, only one map went to double digits. They were on the precipice of an era, because when they had a good event they literally could not be beat. And TSM/Astralis was the team with the best record against the 2014-2015 Fnatic lineup, who were for many the GOAT lineup in CSGO until Astralis 2018 came along. While yeah he was replaced by Gla1ve, even Karrigan agreed that Gla1ve was a better fit for those players, who he believed needed more structure than his style provided. Karrigan also achieved more success in the time immediately following his departure from the team, Astralis still struggled quite a bit until Magisk joined.
2021-07-21 23:25
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karrigan also famously performs very well against teams he just left, he is obviously very good at reading players strengths and weaknesses
2021-07-23 02:10
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True, one of the few IGLs who matched up well against prime Astralis. Granted, EG did too and Stan has a similar calling style so maybe part of it is just a stylistic counter, but it's still super impressive. I feel like he's always done better against top teams though, like he can definitely lose to worse teams but Gambit was a great example of him being able to read well-structured teams.
2021-07-23 05:31
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+1
2021-07-23 22:46
Faze's first iteration with karrigan, after replacing allu with Guardian and kioshima with olofmeister were easily the first international team to make it work. You have to remember, Faze originally signed Kinguin, the first international team ever and with decent results at that, and they molded that into a highly revered hitsquad that struck fear in any team's eyes.
2021-07-25 13:52
What means "only 2 rounds away from a major"? They won it
2021-07-21 13:10
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2021-07-21 13:11
:( its time to wake up from this dream buddy
2021-07-21 13:11
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propaganda mate
2021-07-21 13:54
+1
2021-07-21 14:10
#52
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Ukraine devitt
What kind of drugs are you on?
2021-07-21 14:12
7 replies
Water
2021-07-21 14:58
5 replies
Check water for LSD poisoning
2021-07-21 15:18
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u cant be poisoned by LSD, it contains 0 toxic substances
2021-07-23 15:38
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Consume 50 grams then and let’s see how you handle it
2021-07-23 15:41
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consume 10 liters of water and see how you can handle it, if u overconsume anything u will have a bad time, but its not poisoning
2021-07-23 15:44
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10 liters is like 1/8 th of your fucking bdoyweight and 50 gram so nothing if you claim something isn’t poisonous but that something has lethal dose of a few gram it is just kinda stupid
2021-07-23 18:05
#88
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Norway Gr1ngo_8k
Check his flag, vodka is very harmful for our health.
2021-07-21 17:24
wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up
2021-07-21 17:15
yea lol it wasnt 2 rounds away it was 1 and then they choked a 15-11 lead against cloud9 giving NA its first ever csgo major trophy
2021-07-24 21:38
#3
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Iceland Jaksin
I respect him, I just think he's overrated.
2021-07-21 13:10
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elaborate please? I think he's very underrated, imo he's a 100% future hall of fame player. He's elevated the level of strategy in CS for almost a decade.
2021-07-21 13:13
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#56
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Czech Republic BlastTM
+1
2021-07-21 14:28
#65
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Iceland Jaksin
I think the results his teams show doesn't equate to the amount of hype he gets. He has had some of the best players on his teams and yet they often times perform average.
2021-07-21 15:16
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#81
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Sweden EntonXD
How? And take the opposition in mind
2021-07-21 15:40
Until very recently, he's never had a team that he wasn't able to win trophies with. TSM/Astralis was an elite team, FaZe was a very good at first, and then an insanely good team, and Mouz overperformed given their expectations. Also, I don't think we would have the same view of a lot of those players had it not been for him. Maybe the TSM guys would have been just as successful if they had gone straight from Fetish to Gla1ve, I don't know, but I highly doubt FaZe or Mouz would've been anywhere close to where they were with Karrigan had he not been in the lineup.
2021-07-21 23:29
+1, as mentioned he always had great carry players like niko, dev1ce, ropz... some of the best aimers and awpers too. But he never won Cologne, Katowice or Major. He had good 3 months out of 23 in mouse, not a good season with TSM/Astralis and he his FaZe team the only team that is worth mentioning and they too were the second best team then (SK). Nothing against karrigan, his insane strategical mind but in my opinion, as he is not a fragging IGL atleast he should have won some big tournaments like Cologne, katowice or major (not all). And no one can say de did't had good players in his team, he always had insane team. I would say Gla1ve and FalleN are/were better IGL's. They had more impact on players and CSGO scene. BUT I RESPECT KARRIGAN very much. Don't get offended.
2021-07-25 09:03
What igls are better than him?
2021-07-21 13:15
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gla1ve is the only contender, and even he has Karrigan to thank for grooming the device/dupreeh/xyp9x core for him in TSM
2021-07-21 13:16
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nvm
2021-07-21 13:33
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#36
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Europe elefiveS
only because of achievements? you are crazy. Hes individually 5x better and IGL wise too. He has all kind of strats and isnt scared to call ballsy exec/rush like the one in the major final against VP to seal the third map his teammates are great that helps yeah, but karrigan had that prime Faze roster and didnt achieve nearly as much (i dont count TSM because they were still young back then and with the choker mentality)
2021-07-21 13:39
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Karrigan also have a lot of strats I believe so how do you really know if gla1ve is better igl wise? Also they levitated the whole nades meta which gave them such a huge advantage it was insane. Could he achieve the same without zonic? Of course it's just a big if. Btw I'm not saying that karrigan is better than gla1ve
2021-07-21 13:49
Zeus is better
2021-07-21 14:05
#82
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Sweden EntonXD
+1 gla1ve was just a better fit with the same players more mature, who doesnt always choke, more experienced and just better. And maybe grooming isnt the right word
2021-07-21 15:41
Shiro and simple best awp rifle and igl
2021-07-25 08:39
idk he gets a little too much hate for me to consider him underrated.
2021-07-21 13:22
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he gets hate because people are braindead and only look towards K/D. In reality, his role is the reason the teams will even do remotely as well as they do. but most people don't see that
2021-07-21 15:38
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I mean he does play pretty braindead sometimes, but for the most part I agree, his stats will never tell you how he benefits the team.
2021-07-21 23:31
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Europe JUNlOR
rip mouz 2019, so much potential just died for some reason.
2021-07-21 13:10
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very unfortunate, woxic had never looked that good and hasn't looked that good since, RIP
2021-07-21 13:12
carrygun too gud
2021-07-21 13:10
karrigan is the goat of choking no one can choke as hard as he does and its been like that for years liquid came close a few times but karrigan teams are unbeatable at this
2021-07-21 13:11
Agreed. Karrigan's rosters were superb rosters that came super close to having an era of their own but just tripped at the worst possible moment.
2021-07-21 13:11
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#12
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Denmark pebblez
wasn't that only FaZe?
2021-07-21 13:12
11 replies
Mouz could have been a great team. So could his TSM in 2015. Just that they couldn't win that one event that solidified themselves as the very best in the world. Faze was his best chance tho, And his closest one as well.
2021-07-21 13:14
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#18
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Denmark pebblez
mouz won 1 Big event and then lost to ZywOo at epicenter I don't think that's super close to having an era bruh 😐
2021-07-21 13:16
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.... they were basically unbeaten for like 3 months an won 4 events in a row including EPL????? thats a tournament run beaten only by Astralis and Fnatic. if they hadn't been stopped by covid and woxics subsequent drop off, who knows how long that team could've stayed consistent.
2021-07-21 13:19
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#26
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Denmark pebblez
no they lost to some teams and it was 3 events not 4, 2 were small and 1 was big (epl) and like i said they then lost to zywoo at the next big event (epicenter) not close to era u know bruh 😐
2021-07-21 13:25
Liquid too
2021-07-21 15:38
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+1 liquids short run is quite similar to karrigans mouz
2021-07-23 02:07
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cept they won a grand slam LMAO . :P
2021-07-23 15:32
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true lol
2021-07-23 22:45
Losing to ZywOo has happened to every team at this point lol. If not for Covid, I reckon Mouz could have been a great team. But again, ChrisJ was close to retirement as well. So maybe you are right. And #16 raises a good point imo.
2021-07-21 13:19
2015 TSM was allready one of the greatest teams, even before becoming Astralis. That era of counterstrike was hyper competitive, with a 3 way rivalry unmatched since then between LDLC, FNC and TSM
2021-07-21 14:02
mouz 2019 also tripped up kinda weirdly in the beginning of covid and Karrigan got kicked after grooming the goat astralis core in TSM just after they got signed.
2021-07-21 13:15
he literally won 0 big events with tsm/astralis
2021-07-21 13:30
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I was talking about what could have been if they had won one big event. Sorry if my words expressed otherwise :(
2021-07-21 13:32
He surely deserves a respect but I don't understand why some people calling him the goat igl tho
2021-07-21 13:12
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2021-07-21 13:13
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you literally have it in OP. he had so much talent around him and yet no major/era/grand slam. astralis with gla1ve(who wasnt even proven on t1 level at that time) with the same core 4 majors, era and grand slam. he was literally benched by his team twice... he is hall of famer hands down and to me probably the best igl that can make team work but he surely isnt the goat igl
2021-07-21 13:29
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-1 He's the one who made them great.
2021-07-21 15:29
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did i say that he didnt have an impact? or whats your point buddy? he didnt make astralis "great" btw
2021-07-21 15:30
Sure, he had a ton of talent around him, but I don't think that's the only thing that matters. The TSM/Astralis lineup that he had still had their choking issue, which didn't fully get solved until Astralis brought in a psychologist. I'm not sure the exact timeline of when they brought the psychologist in, but given he was out of the team months before there was any press about it, I'm guessing he didn't get to reap too much of the reward. Given how good TSM were at $50k events in 2015, I can't imagine how good they could have been if Dev1ce had been able to perform past a quarter final at a $250k event. FaZe is a bit weird, but putting together what information we have it seems as though his leadership was short circuited by NiKo at some point. No matter how much you try, your position as an IGL is meaningless if your superstar player won't listen. Now maybe I'm reading too much into things, but given FaZe never picked up an established IGL again despite several being available tell me that maybe NiKo didn't want one for whatever reason. I don't think he's the GOAT, but I think that's only because Gla1ve exists
2021-07-21 23:51
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you are 100% correct(or at least i agree with you in everything). there are tons of factors that could be considered and its pretty damn hard to make accurate list but i dont think that its only about gla1ve. you can make tons of arguments for pronax, zeus or fallen as well to be honest
2021-07-22 03:01
goat igl is too much, I'd agree.
2021-07-21 13:23
no other igl lead multiple teams to #1
2021-07-21 13:30
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2021-07-21 13:30
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faze the only superteam he had and he still was 1 round from the major that c9 won as a fluke. mouz were #1 until online era. gla1ve/fallen any igl that had an era did it better with one lineup but karrigan did it with multiple lineups
2021-07-21 13:41
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yes faze was top1 team at their prime but like you said it was super team and still no majors/era/grand slam and btw c9 had great period before major. mouz? people are overrating their 2019 lineup way too much bcs of smaller events. they were 6th of 2019 which is nowhere near top1... and astralis is proof that karrigan wasnt able to make that last step. again: hall of famer? yea. one of the best igls of all time? definitelly(top3 in my book) but the goat igl? just no and its not only bcs of his achievments but also bcs of his individual performance which was just terrible most of the time
2021-07-21 13:49
1. EnvyUs Karrigan with beast jdm
2021-07-21 13:18
TSM/Astralis = honeymoon period won some titles, choked hard at the major (cluj napocca) and only went downhill after that into mediocrity. After players lost faith in him he was replaced by gla1ve who went on to actually give Astralis their first major and an era a year after that and 3 other majors. Faze = fails to achieve anything significant despite having one of the best and expensive rosters which he himself hand picked. Again the team loses faith in him. Mousesports: honeymoon period won some tier 2 tournaments and a big tournament (Pro League) (after an insane astralis choke). Win nothing else and fade into obscurity just like the TSM/Astralis days. Decides to jump ship and leave a failing team to get back to Faze. Mousesports start performing better with dexter. Back to Faze: zero notable achievements, his only achievement so far, a bo3 win vs gambit an unexperienced lan team. Most overrated IGL ever. Never has a plan b on his games and only relies on skill from his star players. I love how this place loves to hate on MSL and calls him trash despite him never having the lineups Karrigan had, yet praise Karrigan as some insane igl.
2021-07-21 13:29
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On the other hand for example why did you pick MSL? :D I dont see him being great IGL and he won like 1 notable tournament against astralis which was fluke and even ynk when he was in faze said that it was so ez to prepare for MSL tactics and was wery readable
2021-07-21 13:37
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No reading comprehension? MSL NEVER had karrigan's lineups. Karrigan should have won WAY MORE with his lineups. I'd have no problem if he was looked at as just a normal igl in the scene but he isn't, he gets praised as a GOD LEVEL IGL when he has failed in ALL of his lineups. I picked MSL as an example to show the double standards of his community, not to say MSL is a god level IGL, yet this community trashes him while praising karrigan who had 1000x better lineups than msl and still failed to achieve anything notable. /close
2021-07-21 13:42
msl lmao 8 big event wins vs 2 and msl only won because his team was carried by first magisk and k0nfig and later aizy and valde msl has had great lineups and achieved minimal results if faze hasn't achieved anything significant, what the hell has msl achieved lmao
2021-07-21 13:50
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Another person with zero reading comprehension. /close
2021-07-21 13:50
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damn you're so stupid haha, can't accept the fact that I defeated your terrible argument so you have to close it haha
2021-07-21 13:51
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How do you have space in your name
2021-07-21 15:30
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old account
2021-07-21 15:32
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:O
2021-07-21 15:33
#83
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Sweden EntonXD
MSL MVP OF DREAMJHACK 2018 NEVER FORGETTI
2021-07-21 15:44
mouz honeymoon period? They were shit for like 6 months until he changed most of the people's role. Then they dominated. He explained it in depth on an HLTV Confirmed if I can remember correctly. He didn't handpicked everyone on FaZe also. TSM/Astralis he was really dominant as a player back then but it was device & often dupreeh choking really hard in semi, they were non-existent. Don't forget that when they brought gla1ve they also brought a lot of people to help them develop and overcome their problems (like a sport psychologist, a physical coach, etc).
2021-07-21 17:08
i think goat igl
2021-07-21 13:30
+1 well said man. He may not be the most successful and accomplished IGL, but he made sure that others not only performed well, but also acheived well. Always had respect for him, and believe or not, i was one of the very few people here who was against his removal in 2018, a time when literally everyone shitted on him and called for his removal. I'm so glad for his return, and to see FaZe accomplish new heights. The future looks good, and i hope it's better than the past 2 rough years, and i also hope we reach heights we almost did during 2017-18! #FaZeUp
2021-07-21 13:34
Overrated
2021-07-21 13:55
Karrigan is insane and known to be the guy who get kicked and be under appreciated after doing the hard work for the team.
2021-07-21 13:58
He is a GOAT for a reason
2021-07-21 13:58
Yes potential goat igl depends on if gla1ve succeeds with other roster other than astralis. And if karrigan does good with faze
2021-07-21 14:22
I agree.
2021-07-21 14:38
+111111111111111111111
2021-07-21 15:14
0/8
2021-07-21 15:25
Overrated. FaZe - managed to choke with the best roster at that time. They had the best players they could find and karrigan couldn't win with the scariest players of that year. Golden opportunity wasted. Mousesports 2020 - 1 whole year they were under karrigan's leadership and they didn't win anything at all. He made excuses and kicked woxic but still he achieved no results at all. TSM - the core that would go on to define an era when finally karrigan was out and gla1ve took leadership.
2021-07-21 15:27
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0/8
2021-07-23 02:18
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Bad bait
2021-07-23 04:26
mouz won 4 events tsm core didnt do jackshit with glaive at the start aswell
2021-07-23 18:18
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Please help me remember those 4 events won by mousesports in 2020 Don't even get me started at TSM core and how much time karrigan had with it xD
2021-07-25 01:21
#76
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United Kingdom Leftie
I was gutted when he bailed out of mouz for FaZe. Mouz had so much potential still be tapped into by Karrigans gigastrats but its all gone to shit since he left.
2021-07-21 15:36
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i think Karrigans teams function far better when he isn't playing with superstars like Niko and Coldzera, they have really big ego's and have a savior complex, when he has humble youngsters, he always impresses.
2021-07-23 02:18
I mean tbf he’s always had extremely talented players to work with. So if anything he’s underachieved with the talent that he has had at his disposal. Only time he might have overachieved is with mouz but that’s debatable
2021-07-22 00:34
#95
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Argentina cheapdeed
true but nt karrigan
2021-07-22 03:07
actually only 1 round away. Boston fucked them mentally, they would've won Kato otherwise, and 100% established an era , delaying Astralis' era till maybe the Faceit Major. One round would've changed history, but no... Karrigan called force instead of pistols or eco
2021-07-23 15:43
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It was katowice that fucked them mentally. They themselves say that. They somehow overcame boston choke but when it happened in katowice again, they had no answer. Then the whole olof leaving and joining bullshit started. Never have i ever gotten that mad against olofmeister, especially with that stupid ass way of peeking against flusha in a massive number advantage round.
2021-07-23 18:26
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Yes, but if they never fucked up Boston then they would've never lost kato. Katowice was the final straw, but the mental drain from boston choke defo affected them more. flusha had a life game then dipped, dont understand. he even won a 1v2 on 14-15 ... so sad. people might call me delusion but i think that faze could've beat astralis at the faceit major if they won boston. karrigan talked about how underprepared the team was and the disarray they were in before the major, yet they still only lost 16-14 and 16-12, cuz of chokes on both maps.
2021-07-24 15:02
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well, katowice could have redeemed them. Yeah.He did,doesn't mean faze couldn't have won it.That olof peek cost guardian in the round too.Such a big L for faze then. I feel you.I have the same belief tbh.I thought, if faze hadn't imploded, then at the very least they could have put up a better fight against astralis during their dominance.
2021-07-24 21:32
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The astralis era would've 100% been delayed, faze would've established their own first. just one round changed history so much for the worst imo. oh well it is what it is. faze will never get an opportunity like that ever again, but hopefully they can fluke one major win for olof, rain and karrigan. as for guardian... seems like that was it, which makes me sad; to see such a great awper and legend fall like that is unfair.
2021-07-25 04:01
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I don't see faze winning the major.As much as i like them, they really don't have the firepower stacked team like in 2017. Yeah.Feel bad for guardian .He used to be really consistent till the last few months in faze.The lack of real igl in faze really fucked them over.
2021-07-25 08:26
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Yah i dont see them winning a major either, that's why I hope they can fluke one. kinda like how karrigan made mouz win esl pro league 10, and then did nothing of value after. just need the same to happen but for a major.
2021-07-25 13:44
good igl but not best
2021-07-23 18:23
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(jw best)?
2021-07-25 09:18
+1 there is no one who made it with so many different lineupses
2021-07-24 15:35
+1
2021-07-25 08:28
Even with TSM, they were consistent and having Semi finals runs many times. Just couldnt reach finals and lift trophies otherwise they were consistently Top 3-4 team Imo.
2021-07-25 09:21
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