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A message to pros
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Europe hejmonika 
Mainly directed to olof, rain, interz, rush, sanji, xyp9x, boombl4, golden, jw, lnz, grim, but this is not limited to them - this is to ALL pros because ALL pros have experienced some form of unjust mass criticism at one point in their careers. If i make a single professional players day ever so slightly better my message has served its purpose. Stats dont show the true picture. Kills dont show the true picture. Most people dont realize that; most people have never played in an amateur team let alone a tier1 cs team. They dont understand that without you the team would not be the same, and they dont understand what an amazing team player can bring to the team. I play in ESEA IM, it's no where remotely close to pro level but even here people like me and people around me put in so much work to improve and keep playing good - i can only imagine what is needed to be on the very top. You put in the time and it pays off, being a supportive element to a winning team is just as good of a feeling as being the star on a winning team, if not better. I appreciate and have the upmost respect for every single pro in any scene, let alone the t1 CSGO scene which demands more from you than any other game and skill level. People after a match loss spam threads like "-olof" or "-interz" after the stats dont line up with what is expected of them; these are also the same people who spam threads "GOD OLOF" or "GOD INTERZ" after a single good map; also the same two-faced people whom in casual conversation say "yea, jks is a great player, definately an upgrade over oBo" - they dont realize that pros are people, and how disrespectful it is to say that to, in this example; oBo. The point being, people casually and indirectly implying a player needs to be cut is the WORST THING a pro can hear, you should really appreciate how far they have come. Another thing that disgusts me is people that label themselves a fan of team X, yet shit on the player who does the most for the team. Go on FaZe's twitter, if they lose a game you see faze 'fans' say stuff like "kick karrigan" or "omfg save broky and twistzz" -- you are NOT a fan of a team unless you support 100% the people on that team. Don't let the plastic hypocrites, the loud minority of haters and fake fans, don't let them deter you from showing dedication and pride in your game. What you do for the team is beyond incredible. I respect it so much that you are able to with pride give the space to the star players and let them shine. It takes a lot of courage and it takes a rock solid mentality to do that. -me, a true CSGO fan
2021-07-23 01:45
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Finally, hltv user with a brain, very rare occurrence
2021-07-23 01:51
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#23
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Germany yannxbr
+1 that was so good to read
2021-07-23 12:13
I think the problem is: many people dont want to know the truth. or they know the truth but they want to down someone to feel better
2021-07-23 17:15
tldr
2021-07-23 01:52
8 replies
dont hate on supports
2021-07-23 01:53
7 replies
I don't, support is an important role that shouldn't be mocked on
2021-07-23 01:54
3 replies
cool. this thread is intended to give confidence to these players bc the amount of fucking idiots saying to kick supports bc of low kills is insane
2021-07-23 01:58
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True, the other member would'nt be getting those extra kills without supports so i don't get the toxicity or "ban {support player} right now!!!"
2021-07-23 02:00
#14
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Australia B_Tannen
AmaNEk is a great example.
2021-07-23 02:01
support is the role who goes in after entry fragger? so basically a baiter?
2021-07-23 16:21
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no god no HAHAHAH this is so wrong. support is someone who does whatever the star player wants him to. lets use niko and jackz as an example. If niko wants to push a, he sends jackz first to die and trade 1 or 2. if niko wants to push solo he asks jackz to throw 2 flashes. the rest of g2 pick positions and jackz takes what is left, usually boring and monotone spots without room to take fights. a support player is anyone who does what others want of him, throw util, go first, basically set team up for success.
2021-07-23 17:18
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I know its just an example, but Hunter is usually second in after Jackz. Just FYI
2021-07-23 17:22
#10
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United States B0b3rT
Nice mens)) well said
2021-07-23 01:56
#12
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Australia B_Tannen
Toxicity doesn’t lose games, bad players do. +1 though.
2021-07-23 02:00
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#27
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Netherlands Mauu
Toxicity can lead to a player not being in the right mindset and thus underperforming. Sometimes a player needs a wakeup call in the form of some stern talking, but toxicity is never the answer.
2021-07-23 12:16
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“Stern” talking, wdym? Playing cs not in the military….
2021-07-24 02:44
Lul I can drop 40 bomb and the game after get 5 kills because of no motivation to win because of retarded teammates
2021-07-23 12:39
1 reply
yes
2021-07-23 12:49
#72
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United States Based_Akhi
toxic player automatically means bad player
2021-07-23 16:56
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#108
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Australia B_Tannen
lol
2021-07-24 02:10
toxicity makes a bad player even worse therefore losing the game
2021-07-23 19:43
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#107
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Australia B_Tannen
Or don’t use bad players and then win.
2021-07-24 02:09
2 replies
genius, all world problems solved
2021-07-24 02:40
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#114
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Australia B_Tannen
Renegades, no weak links, so ez.
2021-07-24 03:30
#19
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Portugal Troll_JuJu
FACTS
2021-07-23 02:47
1 reply
+1
2021-07-23 12:08
very cool
2021-07-23 12:12
Well said. I support this message
2021-07-23 12:14
+1, in NAVI people only see s1mple, but I feel bad because other team members are also contributing a lot but get under the shadow of s1mple(no 1 this year).
2021-07-23 12:19
3 replies
imagine how painful it must be for someone like perfecto who plays the most boring roles but does it to... perfection without any mistakes, in order to let navi shine the entire roster accross the map needs to hold their own, not just 2 guys
2021-07-23 12:20
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+1 and he is still good in late rounds and has deliver crucial clutches,
2021-07-23 13:40
+1
2021-07-23 17:14
+1
2021-07-23 12:20
Actually people who spam -olof are not the same people who spam god olof. They are different people. Haters and fans are different. Other than that I agree with your overall point
2021-07-23 15:40
#49
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Czech Republic Guczy
+people who says "They should disband" like wtf is that? orgs are leaving csgo and u are still wishing (lets say faze) to disband
2021-07-23 15:44
thank you for sharing
2021-07-23 15:45
1 reply
no problemo
2021-07-23 16:13
#52
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United Kingdom DB_R20
all i see is text,
2021-07-23 16:14
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#54
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Norway mYRTcool
"this is a strong message" -indian woman
2021-07-23 16:20
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#55
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Norway mYRTcool
wops wrong reply lol
2021-07-23 16:20
+1
2021-07-23 16:16
golden LMAO
2021-07-23 16:23
5 replies
helped fnatic win a long time. you will never be even close to the pro scene if u think someone like him is bad
2021-07-23 16:35
4 replies
i will never be even close to the pro scene because i dont give a fuck. golden is horrible
2021-07-23 16:39
2 replies
So is your attitude
2021-07-23 16:58
1 reply
+1
2021-07-23 17:19
+1 people just see the now
2021-07-24 02:11
#58
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Korea pen_pen
+1
2021-07-23 16:25
#59
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Portugal cyn1cal
the thing is... boombl4 is shit anyways
2021-07-23 16:27
13 replies
Why do you say that? Do you really have no knowledge of how much someone like him contributes? typical fucking MM player
2021-07-23 16:33
6 replies
because he has 60 hours per weeks, twice less than me and its his job lmaoo they simply doesnt care thats why they deserve the hate
2021-07-23 16:38
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"because he has 60 hours per weeks, twice less than me and its his job lmaoo" gz for the most braindead answer i read today
2021-07-23 16:43
2 replies
why would i respect a pro player who has 40 hours prior to a major tournament ? (im not talking about this one, prior ones, a lot of pros)
2021-07-23 16:48
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40 is indeed a low number but imagine how many hours include watching demos with a team/coach on a separate account + using outside tools like shadow.gg + watching YT videos most pros, especially IGLs don't watch demos through demoui
2021-07-23 16:53
50 iq checks out
2021-07-23 17:17
#80
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Portugal cyn1cal
dude, first of all, he is the worst IGL of Tier 1 cs after apex. He is not a good player, his movement, his aim, etc... Ok, he is a supportive player, but there could be a way better player. A good example of a player is nafany.
2021-07-23 17:06
he just won the last 2 LAN tournaments
2021-07-23 17:05
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#81
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Portugal cyn1cal
*s1mple won
2021-07-23 17:06
4 replies
boombl4 had the tactics, s1mple had the frags = a perfect combo
2021-07-23 17:07
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#84
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Portugal cyn1cal
boombl4 second worst IGL of tier 1
2021-07-23 17:08
2 replies
right because the worst is gla1ve
2021-07-23 17:08
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#87
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Portugal cyn1cal
lmao
2021-07-23 17:11
#64
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China Tyranthose
Obo is still unprofessional though
2021-07-23 16:40
nice thread +1
2021-07-23 16:43
still no pro replied. aka your time was wasted
2021-07-23 16:51
1 reply
idc if they reply. I know most lurk the forums :p
2021-07-23 17:20
#69
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Chile esanchez47
+1000
2021-07-23 16:52
7/8 -1 bc golden just bad mans
2021-07-23 16:54
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2021-07-23 17:00
5 replies
nah sorry friend I watch all Fnatic for a long time, idc what "other things" you bring, mans can't be having a .6 rating for 3months
2021-07-23 17:02
4 replies
So he has been "just bad" for a long time, in your opinion?
2021-07-23 17:03
3 replies
not forever no he was v good when they brought him back but since pro league yeah... in 2021 he's has 1 series where he's had >1.00 rating in the majority of maps
2021-07-23 17:05
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6th worst rating on hltv in last 12 months
2021-07-23 17:07
Dude, you have no idea as to why his performance has tanked so much in the online era. Whats the point in calling him bad in a thread trying to appreciate supportive players, and stop the toxicity towards those players? Yes, his rating has been complete ass for some times now, but calling him bad changes nothing.
2021-07-23 17:12
hejmonika spills the truth
2021-07-23 17:02
A very good read. There are some sane people here after all.
2021-07-23 17:11
tldr make a short version pls
2021-07-23 17:17
1 reply
no
2021-07-23 17:20
+1
2021-07-23 19:32
+1 I guess thats because 90% of the cs community are playing pugs with 2-3 friends maybe even solo q so for them having many frags shows they are skilled. That might be true for pugs but you cant compare that to team cs.
2021-07-23 19:39
#101
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Russia NOD777
>True fan >supports garbage players
2021-07-23 19:43
thanks for your post - me, a pro
2021-07-23 19:44
#103
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France Bibo_
Long text but I agree
2021-07-23 19:45
as if they cared
2021-07-23 20:18
3 replies
i mean, they do -- niko left faze bc of hate :D
2021-07-24 01:36
2 replies
Seriously? Source?
2021-07-24 02:16
1 reply
He didn’t leave faze Bc of hate but he def notices the hate it prolly affected him at a point
2021-07-24 02:51
Mans spitting straight facts
2021-07-24 15:01
404 this thread. Sane comments not allowed.
2021-07-24 15:08
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