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"AWP isn't op"
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Denmark de_lightful 
-"The AWP isn't op dude" -"All you have to do is flash bro" -"yeah flash every corner, smoke every pos and molly every corner every round without fail with your random faceit teammates" -"its not op bro trust me im MG2 its a total coincidence nearly all top players are awpers bro" -"i can only use awp but its not because its easy use its just because im good with it"
2021-07-26 14:40
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Yes
2021-07-26 14:41
8 replies
AWP is ofcourse OP. Anyone who disagrees is a silver who heard from somewhere to use flashes
2021-07-26 14:43
7 replies
Yes
2021-07-26 15:07
The HE should be equally overpowered, like it was in condition zero
2021-07-26 18:54
2 replies
lmao XD
2021-07-26 19:55
Shatters
2021-07-26 23:35
+1
2021-07-27 17:52
I think without context the awp is OP but when you take into account that its a $4750 gun which offers fuck all kill reward can destroy the economy ect I think its still strong but not OP.
2021-07-27 20:48
The only people who think the AWP is OP are people playing casual all the time. In competitive the AWP is a double edged sword. You can't always pull it out every round, and a single miss can cost your team the round, maybe two. A flash isn't the only option you have to push an AWP'er off his line or take him down. You can use smokes. You can use mollies. You can double peek. You can purposely draw their attention while a lurker backstabs them. You can force a leg shot by jumping or run boosting. And there's more I can't even think of. The AWP is not OP.
2021-07-28 04:49
It's OP tbh
2021-07-26 14:41
"awp is op but only 1 player in pro teams are awpers and teams buy 2 awps max in a round (even in 16k overtime) because they dont know nothing and i am better than them"
2021-07-26 14:42
28 replies
So why was the 2015 AWP nerfed if it was used even less than nowadays? Stop running away from me and trying to make the same argument against other people.
2021-07-26 14:45
24 replies
#8
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United States ihateithere
Why was the 2015 AWP nerfed? Because it was OP. Why isn't the current AWP being nerfed? Because it isn't OP. Like what the fuck are you on about
2021-07-26 14:47
21 replies
It was considered OP because of how kennyS was performing with it in pro play. Nowadays pre-nerf kennyS was already surpassed (old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comment..), so according to Valve nerf logic, the current AWP is OP. Anything else?
2021-07-26 14:48
16 replies
eh so you mean it was neerfed for everyone just cus one guy was good with it? what is that logic?
2021-07-26 14:51
The awp nerf was not because players were playing well with it; it was nerfed because the movement mechanic was really OP. If guns were nerfed because people were good with it, we should be nerfing every gun in the damn game.
2021-07-26 14:52
13 replies
#18
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Asia M@GNU5
I tried to play with pre-nerf AWP and I can say it's quite OP AF. Like repeeking over and over is too much to handle
2021-07-26 14:54
2 replies
Exactly! It was really OP, so they nerfed it. It wasn't because "oh this player's good with it," it was because literally everyone agreed that it was OP
2021-07-26 14:55
1 reply
#21
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Asia M@GNU5
Only downside so far with the pre-nerf AWP is you make noise while scoped in Edit: but it doesn't matter cuz you can just destroy anybody going to you
2021-07-26 14:56
LOOL "because the movement mechanic was really OP" Yes, and how did they come to the conclusion it was OP? Because of how kennyS and JW were playing with it in pro play at the time. And, as I said, they were already surpassed by current players that learned how to abuse the weapon better, now it deserves another nerf.
2021-07-26 14:55
9 replies
They came to that conclusion through watching players, yes, but they had a defined reason: "the movement mechanic is op." Your reason for the awp nerf was and is "players are good with it." Vague as fuck
2021-07-26 14:56
8 replies
Nope, I have always said the AWP in CSGO is op because of 3 elements: 1. Impenetrable walls; 2. Weak flashbangs; 3. Molotovs to prevent rushes on awpers. And to fix without changing the whole concept of the game I have always suggested lowering the fire rate and changing the bullets to 5 so AWP abusing moments like this youtube.com/watch?v=ToSFXRFODtc or this youtube.com/watch?v=eZSCm0j36z0 can't happen anymore.
2021-07-26 15:00
6 replies
1. Impenetrable walls? The fuck does that mean? 2. Weak flashbangs? That's your fault brother. If you can't throw a good flash, that's your fault lmao 3. Smoke grenade If I'm honest, lowering the bullets wouldn't really do much to change it regardless. Also the issue is with those plays is that the other team played it really shit by peeking one by one. Coldzera and s1mple could've done those same things with a rifle.
2021-07-26 15:03
5 replies
Wow no offense but you are really dumb LOL, what the fuck. You're new in CS, right? You can't understand what "impenetrable walls" mean? It means they are not wallbangable like they were in 1.6 or how they are in Valorant. Wallbangable walls punish dumb, aggressive AWP peeks. Weak flashbangs, yes, in comparison to 1.6 ( youtube.com/watch?v=YBMHhQjXWuA), a game that had a perfectly balanced AWP and counters. In CS:GO an awper can just turn 90 degrees and not get flashed at all. "Smoke grenade", yes, a kamikaze rush through a smoke is your best chance against an AWP, how balanced. "the issue is with those plays is that the other team played it really shit by peeking one by one". The gap between getting the trade and getting doubled with 1 shot by the awper is really small, and the impenetrable walls help the awper to fall back. "Coldzera could've done that same thing with a rifle" Absolutely delusional. You seem to be completely clueless about the topic so I'm being nice and feeding you free information, be thankful.
2021-07-26 15:08
4 replies
Oh no he peeked and I can't kill him because the walls aren't wallbangable oh noooo what will I do? Ya fucking shoot him while he's peeking out you dumb fuck. Literally everyone else can, why can't you? Because you're a dogshit player. Okay sure flashbangs aren't as good as in 1.6. However I think if the difference between a 3 second flash and a 5 second flash is significant to you, then again, you're just dogshit. What the fuck is the awper gonna do against a smoke and a flash? Fucking nothing. The gap between them was huge. Did you see how long it took for them to peek into him? If you think that's good spacing, then you're the new one brother LMAO. Also would like to mention they had 4 smokes to smoke him off and instead of smoking him off they peeked into him anyway. But apparently smoking is really difficult for you or smth lmao He absolutely could have. What makes you think he couldn't? You seem to be completely clueless about the topic so I'm gonna spare myself the mental fatigue and leave. Before I do, I'd like to leave you with an absolute fucking thinker. If 98% of people think you are incorrect, then is it so far fetched to believe that you are just wrong?
2021-07-26 15:15
3 replies
"Because you're a dogshit player." Oh boy, you're one of those, right? Completely delusional. You realize this is the current state of the pro scene, right? i.imgur.com/7na53eT.jpg With players getting entries in tier 1 CS at 74% success rate i.imgur.com/SxbZS8F.jpg Why can't pros "just shoot them"? BAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Holy shit, do you believe you're better than the entire pro scene or what? Yeah, they're all just dogshit, you're the good one that just shoots awpers in the head when they peek, what a machine. "What the fuck is the awper gonna do against a smoke and a flash?" Another basic misconception of someone that is new to this discussion. The AWP is the strongest when played aggressively, and in a map like dust2 he can be pretty much anywhere on the map. You're implying like you know where the awper will be at all times, delusional. 98%? LOL reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/96.. youtube.com/watch?v=1ubRrpeMrIM&t=153s youtu.be/1ubRrpeMrIM?t=121 Again, be thankful I'm this patient and nice to someone that's clueless about the topic, just learn from this ok?
2021-07-26 15:21
2 replies
+1 true alpha
2021-07-26 20:01
1 reply
Yes
2021-07-27 02:11
#27
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Asia M@GNU5
"players are good with it." quite vague I agree. ppl rn are insane with the current AWP. How much more if they are in 2014
2021-07-26 15:00
#161
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Italy bennyhana
wow you are so fucking stupid its pathetic man go get a life
2021-07-27 17:44
devs don't do anything = weapon is right as it is sure dude
2021-07-26 18:52
3 replies
You can tell he is a new player like I remember 5-7, CZ-75, Tec-9, ump-45 and the 2014 M4A1-S took upwards of fucking years to get changed each.
2021-07-27 00:51
2 replies
yeah seems like a lot of people in this thread don't know how csgo devs work
2021-07-27 01:49
1 reply
Yup, honestly these guys who joined thinking the R8 was an average valve response. If only they knew,
2021-07-27 21:40
Why was the aug/sg nerfed when it was used less in 2015 then now
2021-07-26 14:53
1 reply
#25
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Asia M@GNU5
lmao I can't wait for ppl to try 2014 AUG it was even way better than AWP like no joke
2021-07-26 14:58
Why didn't all 5 players buy the R8 when that was broken? Just because a gun is broken doesn't mean every player has to use it every round.
2021-07-26 19:57
2 replies
because no pro matches were played with the broken r8... when the aug/krieg were broken atleast 8/10 players used them on full buy rounds
2021-07-26 20:39
1 reply
I mean Ence came in 2nd at a major for pretty much that reason alone lol
2021-07-26 23:31
cry
2021-07-26 14:44
if awp is op please tell me 1 csgo pro team that has 5 main awpers and doesnt use m4 or ak cuz why would they when awp is op.
2021-07-26 14:47
27 replies
you dont need more than 1 awp because it is OP
2021-07-26 18:53
3 replies
than if 1 team uses awp shouldnt a team always use 2 awps beat it??
2021-07-26 19:52
2 replies
no, csgo is scripted and 2 awp vs 2 awp would be boring
2021-07-26 19:55
1 reply
0/8
2021-07-26 19:56
I can't decide whether you are the dumbest or the most retarded person on this site, possibly both soo congratulation, you also easily got the award of the dumbest comment I've seen this week, congratulation for that too.
2021-07-26 19:02
21 replies
That's some pretty sound logic if you ask me. When the krieg was clearly the superior rifle to the AK, 80%+ of pros used that gun. So, if the AWP was as overpowered as the krieg, it would make sense that every CT side on dust 2 would use 3 or more AWPs, because they can just hold long range angles and not get flashed or smoked, like you morons that think its OP are theorizing.
2021-07-26 19:08
15 replies
+1
2021-07-26 19:54
No because there's such thing as economy. If everyone kept buying AWPs you'd have no money.
2021-07-26 19:58
6 replies
but surely if 1 team has a good amount of money saved they should buy 5 awps right?and the first team to reach 5 awps in their team wins right? their economy wont decrease as they should win the next couple rounds due to having more op weapons right? now with all of that being said, tell me the last time you can remember a team buying 5 awps and playing the whole round.
2021-07-26 20:30
#146
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
Why would you need money? Just buy awp = you never die since it's OP
2021-07-27 11:10
4 replies
+1 exactly
2021-07-27 13:10
Think everyone would agree 5 AK47 > 5 Deagles. Inferior weapons can still win rounds.
2021-07-28 04:22
2 replies
#198
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
And AK is according to you inferior to Deagle?
2021-07-28 09:17
1 reply
No, you've clearly missed the point.
2021-07-28 19:27
#85
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
+1
2021-07-26 20:10
It's well know in mobas that a champion/hero or a class can be OP even If you can't win a game having all heroes of that OP class. Krieg is an all rounder, you can afford to miss and still have a reasonable chance to kill the opponet before he kills you which is not the case for the awp, holding krieg also let's you move faster which let's you escape the opponets fire easier. AWP may not be an all rounder but It can without too much effort completely dominate rilfers/other classes and the price you pay by having a few riflers that should defend him is insignificant for the prize you get, a weapon that can delete the enemy without too much effort from a very long distance without being in able to get traded off.
2021-07-27 02:20
4 replies
Its well known that a moba is not an fps. You pretty much summed up 1 part of the awp that doesnt make it op. Even if it isnt an all rounder its still op right so everyone should use it? Theres also this thing called a smoke grenade, flash or even a prefire if you have any experience on a map or if you were not braindead you would use to not take that long range fight.
2021-07-27 13:08
3 replies
"Its well known that a moba is not an fps." That was an analogy, not a straight up comparison. The conclusion was that gun (champion, w/e) can be OP without having a straight up better every stats than other guns and regardles off whether or not you can have every single of that gun (champion) in the team without having to buy any other guns. "Even if it isnt an all rounder its still op right so everyone should use it?" The awp has a compeltely different playstyle that not everyone likes and a lot of riflers do use It from time to time, you'll just rather leave it to the main awper, in pugs pretty much everyone uses it, the reason It can be OP even when you can't have 5 of them in the team is explained above. "Theres also this thing called a smoke grenade, flash or even a prefire if you have any experience on a map or if you were not braindead you would use to not take that long range fight." There is also this thing called falling back and waiting in the next position, off angle that you don't prefire, limit to grenades and generaly not having money to buy grenades, not to mention that non e of these actually bothers an awper too much except If he put himself in a dumb position which he can not fall back from.
2021-07-27 19:01
2 replies
when you say different playstyle you mean the weak points of the awp? and if you say in pugs everyone uses it then in pro scene why isnt it the same? maybe due to a better understanding of how to counter the awp? if they dont have money all it takes is 1 eco next round use nades surely you know this right? "not to mention that non e of these actually bothers an awper too much except If he put himself in a dumb position which he can not fall back from" id love to see you use the "OP" awp against astralis and see how well you do with it probably wouldnt even get 1 frag yet thinks the gun is op
2021-07-27 20:43
1 reply
"when you say different playstyle you mean the weak points of the awp?" Do some ppl maybe hate disadvantages of the awp more than the ones of the rifle? Definetly, that doesn't make it a weaker weapon, being a stronger weapon doesn't mean most ppl have to find it more appealing. "and if you say in pugs everyone uses it then in pro scene why isnt it the same?" The last time I used to watch pro cs 2 awps on CT side wasn't really an uncommon thing, over 2 would be kinda pushing it soo It doesn't make sense. Even If pros do understand awp better stats doesn't show it enough, awpers have a too good stats and their opening rating is kinda nuts. Even a lot of great riflers get an even better rating with awp. Why doesn't EVERY pro use it from time to time? You let the main awper play the awp, you have that 1/2 teammates that are also cool with playing it and want to use him from time to time or you just simply don't like awp (preference again)? "id love to see you use the "OP" awp against astralis and see how well you do with it probably wouldnt even get 1 frag yet thinks the gun is op" I'd probably have a better chance than with a rifle, skill difference is soo big that It doesn't matter what I play, at least with awp I could compensate having a worse reaction time with an advantage of having a 1shot weapon where with M4 they'd ding me/spray me down before I get half of their hp (and no, I'd definetly get at least few times an opportunity to not get flashed and use the awps advantage over rifle) + If you have to play against a team like astralis soo the awps power lines up with other weapons, then that's probably a bad weapon for the 99.999% of games.
2021-07-28 03:21
#147
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
+1
2021-07-27 11:10
congratulations for the most intellectual respone ive seen all week you must be very smart
2021-07-26 19:53
4 replies
Shit comments that make little sense deserve shit responses, you are deluding people by oversimplifying a not soo simple subject and to follow make a stupid conclusion that isn't even really correct, how did you deserve a better treat?
2021-07-27 02:25
3 replies
cry is free
2021-07-27 12:36
2 replies
"congratulations for the most intellectual response ive seen all week you must be very smart"
2021-07-27 16:42
1 reply
0/8
2021-07-27 16:50
#193
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North America 007DBR9
why didn't everyone use the awp pre nerf either? braindead argument
2021-07-28 04:42
cry is free
2021-07-26 14:48
1 reply
it's not free bro
2021-07-27 01:53
#12
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Mongolia k0ng0
Fixed the thread start for you: "I'm a tilted faceit level 5 nub that go cry about a weapon on hltv because i just lost a match on faceit where the opposition was playing better than my team." T
2021-07-26 14:49
5 replies
projecting
2021-07-26 14:57
2 replies
#33
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
projecting hard actually
2021-07-26 15:07
#44
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Mongolia k0ng0
Haha so lame to try and flip this on me. Your thread start is phatetic and both you and me know it. I can't even Imagine crying about a Gun that you can hear scoping. You get that? You can fuckin' HEAR where the Gun is on the map and you Still can't outplay it... Just learn to flash bro.
2021-07-26 18:06
I only tilt when I go on face it to be griefed by a group of 3 ass clowns for a full 16 rounds for free loss
2021-07-26 18:51
matchmaking*
2021-07-27 01:18
#13
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Brazil dashhrafa
aka i can't strafe or dont know how to peek correctly/ i lose close quarters to scoped awps lol
2021-07-26 14:50
#14
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Sweden Skunk2
all awope players are noobs :)
2021-07-26 14:50
2 replies
So simple confirmed noob?
2021-07-26 18:53
1 reply
#57
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Sweden Skunk2
Yes.
2021-07-26 18:55
csgo is my favorite point and click adventure game
2021-07-26 14:57
2 replies
+1 underrated comment
2021-07-26 18:50
#50
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Finland Cucumber))
+1 xD
2021-07-26 18:52
#28
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Hungary raffai
mad cuz bad
2021-07-26 15:00
Teamwork overpowers an AWP.
2021-07-26 15:01
#30
Bruh | 
Finland ihanok
the gun doesnt make a player good, just the player makes the gun good have you seen rain with awp? why doesnt he get it because he one tapped everyone with ak?? shouldnt that make him best player by just taking awp? NO. just because in your gnm games some smurf in enemy uses awp doesnt make it OP this is a bait thread but idc. also have u seen zywoo and s1mple on ak? they should nerf ak its too good
2021-07-26 15:02
5 replies
#36
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
"the gun doesnt make a player good, just the player makes the gun good" Very true but that doesnt mean its not OP or really really strong. AWP should be strong but things like the Cold inferno clip vs Big just shouldnt happen, the need to have perfect coordination to milisecond just to beat 1 guy with strong weapon is ludicrous notion.
2021-07-26 15:09
4 replies
That was a round that happens once every few years for a player, also BIG didnt play it well....put cold into that situation 100 times and he might get 1 ace and 1 4k
2021-07-26 19:08
3 replies
#72
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
Your argument is completly pointless because it happened and it only happened because AWP is too strong. 0,2 - 0,4 seconds longer reload or 5 ammo magazine and its good to go
2021-07-26 19:26
2 replies
Make those changes but make the awp cheaper then....it costs 4750, thats a ron of money therefore its a big risk to buy it, especially when ur economy is in the bins
2021-07-26 20:37
1 reply
No way lmao. Look at how efficient snipers are both in pro scene and in pugs. AWP is too good. Not by much but lets be honest its better than it should be. If the fire rate was slightly bit slower or magazine only held 5 rounds the price should stay. If valve over nerfed it as they tend to do then yea it should be cheaper but its hardly a nerf (which AWP needs slight nerf ) when you give it some advantage back, that would be balancing and i dont think AWP needs balancing when its too strong in current CS
2021-07-26 23:19
#32
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
The AWP is overpowered because it's the best gun in the game but that's about it.
2021-07-26 15:04
16 replies
#39
Bruh | 
Finland ihanok
you're so wrong autosniper, negev and M249 best guns)))
2021-07-26 15:10
both teams can have it, so what's the problem?
2021-07-26 15:11
14 replies
CTs have an insane postional advantage to make the best use of him, almost opposite for Terrorists.
2021-07-26 19:05
13 replies
Yes but cts have loads of disadvantages to balance those things, starting with the economy and weapon prices
2021-07-26 19:07
4 replies
agreed
2021-07-26 20:15
but Ts are on disadvantage positioning with the awp, even worse for T to counter CT in CT side bcs of disadvantage positioning
2021-07-26 20:43
1 reply
Thats why CTs have worse economy...
2021-07-26 23:20
AWP costs the same amount on both sides, economy won't matter If you'll always lose 2 players by that awp that hits every shot and the ones he is flashed falls back on the next angle. (which means you probably lose most rounds) Besides that, this wasn't even a talk about economy, I didn't say CTs have it better.
2021-07-26 23:39
#148
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
and that's pretty much it... the game itself is T-sided
2021-07-27 11:11
7 replies
vaughnroyko.com/csgosided/ If this site is correct, in what fucking world is game T-sided? CTs win noticably more on most maps and the thing you call "pretty much it" can not be countered by Ts, the reason why CTs have defected weapons with bigger prices, worse made economy is because they would straight dominate Terrorists and there would no advantage for playing on that side, funnily both sides can afford an AWP for the same price that is much more powerful on CT side.
2021-07-27 18:58
6 replies
#182
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
Most of the maps are CT sided, correct But the game itself is T sided.
2021-07-27 22:16
5 replies
How?
2021-07-28 02:51
4 replies
#199
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
Just play the game and you will see. Maybe when you get more than 10k hours you will realize
2021-07-28 09:18
3 replies
Nice answer, If you don't want to defend you point why bother making a comment at all...,jUsT pLay the game and you'll see, yeah sure, how about you keep playing the game for another 10k hours instead of wasting both of our time.
2021-07-28 19:49
2 replies
#204
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
I'm not wasting my time at all, why are you answering if it's a waste of your time tho?
2021-07-29 08:19
1 reply
Because I am striving towards a noble ideal where ppl can think soo they live a more enjoyable lives and more importantly soo the other ppl around them that can think can have a world where they are not disgusted by the vast majority of ppl and their incapability to think. Funnily the more I talk with morons the more It reinforces my initial thought that morons will stay morons and that It's not worth to even start a talk with ppl that couldn't understand you in the first place. (This comment was more aimed at guys like this #9 )
2021-07-29 19:46
chill its only 20 elo
2021-07-26 15:10
2 replies
#98
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Lithuania LTComedy
+1
2021-07-26 20:49
lol
2021-07-27 21:46
it isnt op for mr xantares
2021-07-26 15:10
s1mple and zywoo are both better with rifle than with awp.
2021-07-26 15:13
1 reply
0/8 bait. They are insane with both but its clear that awpers have much better rating than other roles because AWP is strongest weapon in game
2021-07-26 23:23
#45
JW | 
Ireland Sodaking
0/8
2021-07-26 18:07
keep coping kekw
2021-07-26 18:09
PP Bizon more OP than awp
2021-07-26 18:49
awp is good if u are good
2021-07-26 18:52
#55
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United States 1600J
+1 awp abusers in this thread cryint
2021-07-26 18:54
#58
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Norway scrayfever
you are wrong
2021-07-26 18:57
Me on faceit with AWP : 1.4 K/D, 0.82 KPR, 26 AVG, 29% HS Me on faceit with rifle : 1.1 K/D, 0.71 KPR, 22/23 AVG, 61% HS BUT ITS NOT OP !! 80% of the 3K elo players I know are AWP players Top 20 of 2020 : 1. ZywOo (AWP) 2. s1mple (AWP) 3. device (AWP) if u play AWP there is absolutely no reason for u not to get a kill every round at low level (1200 - 2000 Elo) if you're on the right site
2021-07-26 19:02
7 replies
80% of the 3K elo players I know are AWP players lmao
2021-07-26 19:04
6 replies
Can confirm, we always play 4 awps on both teams and one Glock player to be bait on faceit, in tournaments as well
2021-07-26 19:06
4 replies
It is true lol. Just ask at the beginning of the round who wants the awp and if you are with 4 randoms atleast 3 of them will start saying "drop it to me" happens all the time with lvl9+ even with 5 premade games where we all know who is the best awper from our party others try to get awp as often as possible without throwing the game...
2021-07-26 23:25
3 replies
i mean its the easiest gun to kill ppl with so obviously every bot wants it. But that doesnt mean its absolutely broken
2021-07-27 00:36
2 replies
who said absolutely? But if the weapon thats supposed to be strong is too strong it feels much more out of the line. Give it slower fire rate or 5 bullet mag, or both and you will see a lot less bullshit multifrags that shouldnt happen with sniper rifle
2021-07-27 00:38
1 reply
Slower fire rate - +0,2 to 0,4 seconds on reload for example.
2021-07-27 00:39
its true rest of them are just their friend tryharding HSDM all the time (kinda like me yikes :/) only way to go Up with soloQ is to play AWP but I've switched to full rifling now that i'm on esportal so
2021-07-26 19:07
kms
2021-07-26 19:04
Mg2 complains about awp Name a better fit...
2021-07-26 19:05
Autosniper is better than the AWP, you can literally hold 10+ positions between the 7 active duty maps and use some tape on your mouse1 key and ace if they rush, where AWP you have to have either good movement or positioning to get multifrags, unless you are facing 1 by 1, or not using smokes and flashes AND MOLOTOVS which nobody says for some reason, to put them in a bad position. I'm not even an awper, I just think the idea that this weapon is OP is outdated and lame.
2021-07-26 19:11
#71
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United Kingdom TheWaddler
kekw like saying carry is OP in mobas, AWP is the main fragging role and a good team plays to set up around the AWP but the best teams only play with 1 because the team is better with 4 rifles and 1 awp so how can it be OP when its optimal to use it on 20% of your players?
2021-07-26 19:15
9 replies
most mobas have different carries. It would be problem if only mages hard carried in League. Or assasins or any other carry class thats the problem. Awpers have the best positions because its most expensive gun you want to use it as much as possible thats logicall but its too strong. If 3 out of 5 players out of top5 best players from league were lets say assasin mains you would instantly know its broken...
2021-07-26 23:29
8 replies
If the optimal strategy was to pick 3 assassins every game then you'd know assassin was broken, we have two main classes of weapons rifles and snipers and in most situations you want only 1 AWP and 4 rifles. Currently the awp serves its role well, its the best weapon for finding untradable kills and therefore has the highest impact most of the time, so most of the time the best players end up playing the awp. Players like simple, zywoo and device are also incredible on rifles, because they're all just great players regardless of the gun.
2021-07-27 00:28
7 replies
"If the optimal strategy was to pick 3 assassins every game then you'd know assassin was broken" Completly wrong... Even league wonky as it is cannot handle so many players of 1 class that doesnt mean that class is not broken because only 1 in the team can play it.... Same goes for CS just because its optimal to field 2 awps at max doesnt mean that when person like simple hardcarries just because he has AWP (yes AWP there is no way in hell he could carry some matches with rifle the same way he does with AWP) it isnt broken... At this moment awpers (especially if they are good players) get away with too much bullshit kills. Rate of fire of AWP literally allows you to hold 1v5 if the enemy times their trade peeks slightly incorrectly. That alone makes AWP extremly OP and stupid.
2021-07-27 00:34
6 replies
If they time their peaks incorrectly, miss themselves, position poorly, give the awper a position that he can make something happen from, not have/use utility to control an awpers position. Simple makes the gun look broken because hes the best (or second best) player in the world, he's a cerebral clutcher with an insane reaction time and aim. G2 have made it to no 3 in the world without a carry awper, liquid did the grand slam without a star awper. When Vitality peaked at the end of last year, their best map was inferno - where zywoo didnt even awp.
2021-07-27 01:03
5 replies
" Simple makes the gun look broken" Thats the problem its not just simple he is just most glaringly obvious with it for the same reason you mentioned his skill. Btw your MOBA analogy doesnt hold up here too Ryze in league of legends is perfect example. Also zywoo didnt awp on inferno but niveraa did
2021-07-27 01:26
3 replies
If League is the moba he is talking about, his analogy is pathetic, I don't know for dota but in league adc is the most dependent role for the better portion of the game which means you have to put some serious resources to save him and even then, If you feed an enemy top or even worse mid he will get shit on and be non existant almost the whole game or proabably whole as good teams end games faster where awp is an absolute unit by itself on the CT side and It needs none to help him for It to make a major damage to the Terrorists when they make a push. Comparing games like this by itself is really fucking moronic but in the end you can still make a summary that awp is strong in all points of the game, requires significantly less support and resources and has a much more consistant rate in paying off where adcs lacks all of these.
2021-07-27 01:48
2 replies
+1 well written I havent played league properly in years but i knew from the start that his comparison is shit. (atleast to league)
2021-07-27 01:50
1 reply
Once you get it you always have it, It only rakes a small time to renew the things you already knew. (Making a rant for myself, does not require reading) I legit got an AFK warning in league like 2 hours ago for opening too many tabs and arguing here and not coming in time, other than that I avoid bot and jg like a plague, they require too much team effort for the impact they have in any mid and low rank, might as well go mid lane and delete all enemy team or top and support team both dmg and health wise, I even find support way more fun than these 2 roles, except you probably can pick a strong fighting jungler and depend less on the team, unlike bot.
2021-07-27 02:04
#149
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
+1
2021-07-27 11:16
well, clearly theres nothing u can do about its current state, can you? make it less accurate? it was designed for medium-far engagements. lower the dmg? it loses its main purpose of 1 shot 1 kill. rise the price? even now its quite risky to get an awp if u dont know what the hell u r doing with it. valve isnt gonna change the meta if it doesnt have a big impact at the pro level. u might say that the top 20 is dominated by awpers, well, so was it before 2018, when most were riflers, but they didn't nerf the ak, did they?
2021-07-26 19:27
3 replies
Slower fire rate so retards cannot use it as shotgun? 5 bullet magazine so when you are pushing awper and he misses its more punishing?
2021-07-26 23:31
2 replies
5 bullet magazine will have no significant impact on the awp. the fire rate might be the solution, but even if they nerf the fire rate, people are still gonna complain that awpers just hold angles, while they peek em naked
2021-07-27 08:59
1 reply
First of all AWP in current state doesnt really punish you for missing if you hold angles. With 5 bullet magazine you would have to reload faster which would give more space for Ts etc. Fire rate for reason of AWP being to strong in CQB because you can spam. Also listening to retarded complaints vs generally logicall ones is big difference
2021-07-27 11:47
Is it OP? Yes. Does every DMG, Faceit Lvl4 AWP abuser get on my nerves? Yes. Should it be nerfed? I don't think so. It's been the same "one shot kill" weapon for like 20 years. It adds tactical variety to the game and makes it harder to play without good tactics. Not the same, but it is kind of similar to Queen in Chess. But, this is a team game and the most impactful one gets individual awards.
2021-07-26 19:59
Strong =\= OP
2021-07-26 20:03
"Awp is the easiest role to play on a team" -Dev1ce
2021-07-26 20:17
so what if its OP. both teams can use it
2021-07-26 20:19
1 reply
based
2021-07-27 01:53
"all top players are awpers" 1. France Mathieu "⁠ZywOo⁠" Herbaut 2. Ukraine Aleksandr "⁠s1mple⁠" Kostyliev 3. Denmark Nicolai "device" Reedtz 4. Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola "⁠NiKo⁠" Kovač 5. Russia Denis "⁠electronic⁠" Sharipov 6. Denmark Benjamin "blameF" Bremer 7. Estonia Robin "⁠ropz⁠" Kool 8. United States Jonathan "EliGE" Jablonowski 9. Denmark Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen 10. Germany Florian "⁠syrsoN⁠" Rische 11. Denmark Emil "⁠Magisk⁠" Reif 12. Denmark Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund 13. Bosnia and Herzegovina Nemanja "huNter-" Kovač 14. Brazil Yuri "⁠yuurih⁠" Santos 15. Sweden Ludvig "⁠Brollan" Brolin 16. Brazil Henrique "⁠HEN1⁠" Teles 17. Sweden Freddy "KRIMZ" Johansson 18. Brazil Kaike "⁠KSCERATO⁠" Cerato 19. Australia Justin "⁠jks⁠" Savage 20. United States Vincent ⁠"Brehze⁠" Cayonte 5 awpers in top 20 ok kiddo (source hltv top 20 players 2020)
2021-07-26 20:22
1 reply
+1
2021-07-27 21:48
Ofc awp isn't op, operator is valarante gun. source: valorant.fandom.com/wiki/Operator "The BSW-460 Operator is a Sniper rifle that is a primary weapon in Valorant. The Operator has the highest damage per bullet out of all the weapons in the game, making it a force to be reckoned with due to its one-hit-kill nature. It is also the most expensive weapon in the game at 4700 credits. The scope has a dual zoom mode: the 5x can focus on holding tight angles, while 2.5x handles better in more open areas. The weapon has a notably low fire-rate, creating a large window of vulnerability that allow enemies to easily retaliate. It is also the longest equip time weapon in the game at 1.5 seconds. Auto scope-in after firing a shot can be enabled from the settings menu." No problem, have a nice day!
2021-07-26 20:23
1 reply
+1
2021-07-27 02:39
-"yeah flash every corner, smoke every pos and molly every corner every round without fail with your random faceit teammates" +1 If only I had 10 flashes...
2021-07-26 20:24
The worst thing about awp is being consisstent of whole time, look at kennyS or woxic many awpers cannot hold that weapon for such a long time.
2021-07-26 20:29
awp is kinda op. i got lvl 9 cuz only using awp. its the best gun to bait your teammates. just lower the gap time to scope and its fine
2021-07-26 20:47
#99
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Lithuania LTComedy
It's not op. Cry is free.
2021-07-26 20:52
2 replies
cry is free
2021-07-26 20:53
1 reply
cry is not free and i have the prof
2021-07-27 01:53
Why are people crying about it because it's op? It's literally supposed to be op, and the ways to defeat it is to play around it and that is what makes this game beautiful. It's all about strategy, if you can't face that just switch game to COD lmao.
2021-07-26 23:32
nerf awp
2021-07-27 00:31
"dedicated awpers" at like gold nova level are special group of csgo players
2021-07-27 00:32
1 reply
+1 awp aint OP but these people are so cringe always decoys with the awp too
2021-07-27 21:48
awp is op but at the same time is a expensive weapon, so you just get for what you pay, fair enough imo
2021-07-27 00:33
2 replies
lol no
2021-07-27 17:16
op probably tries to fight an awp with mac-10 long range and then claims it's op because hes always dead
2021-07-27 17:50
#120
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Netherlands m1nimal
Ok so explain why NiKo can't AWP
2021-07-27 00:56
2 replies
NiKo was actually a nuts secondary awper on faze I have no idea what happened to him on G2
2021-07-27 21:47
1 reply
#180
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Netherlands m1nimal
Yes he's good in some situations, but he's no main awper
2021-07-27 22:06
Just change the price. Worked for balancing out all the other guns. Changing the gun itself would kill the fun factor so there's no sense in that.
2021-07-27 01:12
yes, the awp is OP, but that's how it's supposed to be, of course awpers will have boosted stats, but it's a team game at the end of the day so their stats don't matter if they can't win shit
2021-07-27 01:23
3 replies
Strong =/= OP AWP is supposed to be strongest meta gun (even tho its not he most expensive for some reason) But its stronger than it should be. Some people get away with too much. And thats OP
2021-07-27 01:51
2 replies
#150
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
No it's not. They awp before the nerf was maybe a bit too strong but in it's current state it's perfectly ok
2021-07-27 11:18
1 reply
Its slightly stronger than it should be especially in CQB
2021-07-27 11:45
at the end of the day you can't be a successful star awper if you are just some nobody scrub. you do have to be skilled i don't care what anybody says. just buy an awp to counter the other teams awp. they make the game fair in that way.
2021-07-27 01:51
awp should be cancelled
2021-07-27 01:52
#139
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Sweden Lagge15
I just assume you are an aggressive pugger - if 2 people go against an AWPer, the most natural result would be 4v4 and the AWP team has lost more map control and economy start playing like a teammate and AWPs won't be an issue for you, unless the AWPer is really good, and then it isn't the weapon/tool, but the player, that is the issue
2021-07-27 02:28
#141
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Most of those stuff is right. I'm total Trash with Awp comparing with people from my rank. Of course in your Gn/Silver games you always die to any Awp cuz you dry peak it and don't know spacing, but ppl can counter it
2021-07-27 03:08
it's 4750$ /closed
2021-07-27 03:16
Pointless just saying it's OP, I might agree if you said it was underpriced though
2021-07-27 03:18
True
2021-07-27 11:03
For reference in league of legends garen is OP in bronze but nobody plays him in plat. the game is balanced around good teams. pug kiddies can't fathom that this is a teamgame and yes in your local pug where there is 0 coordination an awp will destroy you, but it's not valve's fault that you don't understand that the game is a 5v5 game and not a 1v1.
2021-07-27 11:25
1 reply
+1
2021-07-27 21:46
cry is free
2021-07-27 17:51
#166
B1T | 
Russia dteakh
awp isnt awp
2021-07-27 17:58
If i have a bad game, i just go AWP for the rest of the game, always works. Yes, the AWP is OP. But it's expensive, and it's equally available to both teams.
2021-07-27 18:55
It's OP but that's OK
2021-07-27 21:43
if ur a pro playing the awp theres much more counter because you're playing against coordination if your a pugger playing against awp is cringe because you're playing against a professional angle holder; might as we go play a visual novel at that point because the mechanics are the same
2021-07-27 21:43
depends on the situation go retake with 2 awps and you see whats the problem
2021-07-27 22:09
you have 10 flashes in a team say you wanna hit b on inferno 1 flash for car 1 flash for fallen and sandbags 1 flash for ct 1 for coffin 1 for newbox 1 for dark and you got 4 more to chug at that toxic rooski pushing the smoke
2021-07-27 23:13
1 reply
Rofl
2021-07-28 09:50
danes whining again lmao
2021-07-28 03:36
""its not op bro trust me im MG2 its a total coincidence nearly all top players are awpers bro" well that simply isnt true
2021-07-28 03:45
thats right 3head the awp is quite good. thats why it costs so much to buy
2021-07-28 04:26
It's not op. You have to be a real star player to be able to perform with it at T1 level. Punishing an awp is easier than anything
2021-07-28 04:35
If AWP was op Niko would be a top 10 player.
2021-07-28 04:36
AWP is only OP online.
2021-07-28 04:40
Awp is OP af. Yeah u can flash, smoke some angles, But you cant do that with all angles. besides players can aggro with awp around the map and at that point you can't really do much unless they miss the shot or if you hold the angle with an awp yourself. My worst thing about the AWP is how players that are really bad can easily kill a really good rifler not because they outaimed them but because they had an easy 1 shot bodyshot scope gun. Its really boring for players like me who don't really tryhard, just wanna run around and gun and pug.
2021-07-28 04:52
Well if it's so OP why are you making a post here and crying?? not much is going to change by you making a post. Why don't you instead use the Awp and become a pro player?? Since awping as per you is very easy.
2021-07-28 04:54
> AWP isn't OP > AWPer is HLTV #1 every year (#2 is usually also AWPer)
2021-07-28 04:59
1 reply
Fair point Delete awp
2021-07-28 09:51
AWP is fairly powered.
2021-07-29 08:21
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