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Czech Republic mrosen111 
faze fucked up real hard but they wont make it just because fnatic are 1 single round ahead??? what a joke of a system this is....
2021-08-31 23:20
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#2
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Lithuania TraX_LTU
it really is lmao they beat mouz but mouz still advances even though both teams have 3 wins lmaooooooooooo
2021-08-31 23:21
10 replies
i feel like the difference should be head to head, and not round difference. it makes way more sense
2021-08-31 23:23
6 replies
No because it's a 3 way tie so rek you!
2021-08-31 23:23
#9
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Lithuania TraX_LTU
they should honestly just have another bo3
2021-08-31 23:24
it is head to head
2021-08-31 23:24
Nevermind
2021-08-31 23:33
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mouz lost against faze
2021-08-31 23:31
It is head to head But since head to head is cancelled due to Results Map difference eliminates faze
2021-08-31 23:30
so mouz beat fnatic 2:0 and faze lose to fnatic
2021-08-31 23:23
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#12
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Lithuania TraX_LTU
yeah its like rock paper scissors
2021-08-31 23:24
Im just glad its not like in major where teams first to three advances. It is laughable that the most important tourney in esport has the worst format of all tourneys. Maybe blast with their BO1 tie ok bullshit can compete with that
2021-09-01 08:50
#3
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Estonia Octatwo
No its actually map difference, not the 1 round Mouz 2-0 fnatic, fnatic 2-0 Faze, Faze 2-1! Mouz
2021-08-31 23:22
9 replies
#4
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France Uexo
+1
2021-08-31 23:23
no its not..?
2021-08-31 23:23
5 replies
#13
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Austria Karma_bug
it is like that because fnc won against faze
2021-08-31 23:24
#16
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Sweden kresso
its h2h, then map difference
2021-08-31 23:25
3 replies
+1
2021-08-31 23:25
oh okey, thanks, yet the problem is still stands, 3 teams have the same amount of wins but only 2 can go through... its dumb isnt it
2021-08-31 23:27
1 reply
this is always going to be a problem with round robin, just gotta deal with it sometimes and hope pro league system gets better
2021-08-31 23:32
yes
2021-08-31 23:24
#61
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India magizhchi
FeelsBadMan
2021-08-31 23:37
is it cry is free i guess?
2021-08-31 23:24
4 replies
indeed it is cry free hours
2021-08-31 23:25
mby use ur brain and actually think about what the person wanted to say other than just calling everyone a crybaby
2021-08-31 23:26
2 replies
#32
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Turkey TheKaiser
wtf mens you're on hltv, people can't think on hltv secured servers
2021-08-31 23:28
1 reply
forgot about that, sorry
2021-08-31 23:31
cry is free
2021-08-31 23:24
2 replies
2021-08-31 23:28
now i actually see i didnt mistaken
2021-08-31 23:31
Really sucks and unfair for faze :\
2021-08-31 23:25
15 replies
Unfair? Rules are the same for everyone, it's their faulr they choked 11:1 lead to fnatic xD
2021-08-31 23:26
10 replies
no
2021-08-31 23:26
#31
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Estonia KarlGm4n
+1
2021-08-31 23:28
they got the same amount of wins as both fnatic and mouz but they are the ones not making, that sounds unfair (they choked hard but thats not the point)
2021-08-31 23:29
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Yes, then we go to next tiebreaker - "2. Map difference between the tied participants (3:2 maps > 3:3 maps)" - Mouse has 3:2 (+1), FNC 2:2 (0), Faze 2:3 (-1) It's 100% fair
2021-08-31 23:32
6 replies
i get it but still fucking hate it.... shouldve just make another bo3 and not this bullshit
2021-08-31 23:33
5 replies
#60
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Peru FreDDRock
LMAOOOOO
2021-08-31 23:36
#65
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Slovakia BaGuLus
That could literally make the same result again tf
2021-08-31 23:38
Who should in this 3 way tie play another bo3? Playing all 3 games would be ridicoulous. Any group stage where everyteam plays everyone will have its flaws. That is why i prefer swiss round group stage or double elemination group stage.
2021-08-31 23:41
2 replies
too many problem, it would be way easier to just stick to the classic upper lower bracket system
2021-08-31 23:43
1 reply
+1
2021-09-01 11:32
It's not fucking round difference it's map differencr
2021-08-31 23:31
3 replies
Did you see anything about a round in my comment? stupid or something?
2021-09-01 09:34
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If it was round difference it wouldnt be fair but it isnt so its fair
2021-09-01 11:22
1 reply
no
2021-09-01 11:31
fnatic beat faze is why they are ahead
2021-08-31 23:25
3 replies
i get that yet they have the same amount of wins
2021-08-31 23:29
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#64
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India magizhchi
Its because Faze won 2-1 against mouz, if faze had 2-0'd mouz they would have had a chance
2021-08-31 23:38
it’s just how tie breakers end up
2021-08-31 23:42
thats why they call it a DEAD GAME because of there DEAD SYSTEM.
2021-08-31 23:25
4 replies
they only call it that in NA – where you are clearly form, considering your use of "there" instead of "their"
2021-08-31 23:36
2 replies
Nice try . May my condolences bring you some comfort
2021-09-01 16:03
1 reply
Nice try . May my condolences bring you some comfort
2021-09-01 17:29
Football dead game confirmed
2021-08-31 23:36
It's not cuz of 1 round its cuz of head to head, Faze lost to mouz
2021-08-31 23:26
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He’s wrong, #34 #3
2021-08-31 23:30
#27
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
fnatic beat faze.thats why
2021-08-31 23:26
7 replies
and faze beat mouz, so why does mouz deserve to qualify? dumb system
2021-08-31 23:29
6 replies
#42
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
faze 2-1 to mouz while fnatic 2-0 faze and mouz 2-0 fnatic. mouz +1 fnatic 0 faze -1 on map differences.
2021-08-31 23:31
4 replies
yeah I know, but map difference should not be a factor in a good system. h2h is a three way tie so no team deserves the spot more than any other which just shouldn't happen. now a team advances due to some technicality. if you win a game you win a game, shouldn't matter if it's 2-0 or 2-1
2021-08-31 23:36
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#66
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Germany lor3nz
in every sports league h2h matters
2021-08-31 23:41
2 replies
h2h was a three way tie, if you need to decide with map or even round difference then it's a bad system
2021-09-01 00:04
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#79
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Germany lor3nz
yeah this szenario is also possible in for example football leagues or even the WC you cant just play a tie breaker everytime. you have to have rules to determine the advancing team in a h2h or three way tie or even 5 way tie. In that case the h2h in maps (3way) is the best way because rounds are not so telling as maps. in the WC/EC it can also depend on yellow cards which team is advancing if the matches and goals and etc or in CL away goals are worth more than home goals it cant be perfect everytime edit just looked it up it can be complete random in a wc if even the fairplay points are equal
2021-09-01 00:18
#47
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Sweden kresso
map difference
2021-08-31 23:32
yeah pretty bad system where one team is eliminated and another advances with the same record. there's better systems where this doesn't happen
2021-08-31 23:27
9 replies
Any example of better working systems?
2021-08-31 23:33
8 replies
casual brackets work... dont they?
2021-08-31 23:34
5 replies
Less matches = less fun for a viewer. Most of the tournaments use normal group system, I think the only one with robin system is EPL. And teams have more chances to advance to playoffs, they are not out yet if they lose 2 games in a row so there are negatives and positives about every system.
2021-08-31 23:53
4 replies
how is it fun for the viewers to watch games where one or both of the teams might already not have a chance to qualify? it's only fun to watch if every game matters and both teams have something to play for
2021-09-01 00:02
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"how is it fun for the viewers to watch games where one or both of the teams might already not have a chance to qualify" Well, situations where one of the teams might not have a chance to qualify are in every tournament, that's how it works xD Do u really care about every single team and feel sorry for them if they dont qualify? I doubt it. So by your logic last 2 matches of G2 or EG wasn't fun to watch cuz they had nothing to fight for?
2021-09-01 00:37
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G2's matches werent fun at all and EG neither dude, no one was even watching them basically, only match people watched was EG bcs of fnatic.
2021-09-01 01:04
"Well, situations where one of the teams might not have a chance to qualify are in every tournament, that's how it works xD" No lol, are you dumb? There are plenty of systems where you never have to play matches after you're already technically out of the tournament. "So by your logic last 2 matches of G2 or EG wasn't fun to watch cuz they had nothing to fight for" Correct.
2021-09-01 01:33
Swiss, imo easily the best and most fun system. But EPL has so many teams that i dont think it would work. But because of the amount of teams that play in EPL, this system probably works the best.
2021-09-01 11:39
Map difference is next after h2h, and there we have a three-way tie, in which Mouse won 3 maps lost 2 maps Fnatic won 2 maps lost 2 maps FaZe won 2 maps lost 3 maps
2021-08-31 23:28
Typical FaZe fan. Understanding the system.... NO WAY... If "cry is free" suits anyone. It must be you
2021-08-31 23:29
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2021-08-31 23:34
Round difference is not the system... How hard is it to understand?
2021-08-31 23:36
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Dear person. In this particular situation, tree team ended on the same amount of points: 9. FaZe won 2-1 against Mouse and lost 2-0 against Fnatic. Mouse won 2-0 against Fnatic and lost 2-1 against FaZe. Fnatic won 2-0 against FaZe and lost 2-0 to Mouse. Those 3 heads up: Mouse 3 maps FaZe 2 maps Fnatic 2 maps Fnatic beat FaZe 2-0. Mouse are through cause they have most maps and heads up FaZe are worse than Fnatic. Best regards
2021-08-31 23:59
2 replies
I am fucking aware, Round difference is not the system I have been trying explain the Situation to Every HLTV Person and on Twitter That it's map difference But HLTV are too lazy to Just change round difference into map difference
2021-09-01 00:04
1 reply
Ahhh now I understand what you intended to say. Either my reading comprehension is way worse than I imagined or your formulation is deficient. Maybe a little bit of both :D
2021-09-01 08:40
#37
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Turkey TheKaiser
sucks to see FaZe getting eliminated after just 2 losses
2021-08-31 23:29
Of course it's coming from a faze fan lol.
2021-08-31 23:34
2 replies
2021-08-31 23:35
1 reply
Ok😭😭😭
2021-08-31 23:47
It's not a 1 round difference, it's a map difference. Faze shouldn't have lost 0-2 to fnatic
2021-08-31 23:37
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#80
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Netherlands poeya1
no it is not a map differencial. in your logic EG would be -55 Maps XD I agree with you them losing 2-0 to fnatic that bad rekted them
2021-09-01 00:16
11 replies
EG are not -55 in maps, they were -55 in rounds
2021-09-01 00:29
10 replies
#82
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Netherlands poeya1
thats what I am saying genius faze and fnatic had 1 round difference aswell not map
2021-09-01 00:33
9 replies
It wasn't the one round difference that eliminated FaZe, it was the maps: mouz: 3-2 (1-2 vs FaZe, 2-0 vs fnc) fnatic: 2-2 (0-2 vs mouz, 2-0 vs FaZe) FaZe: 2-3 (2-1 vs mouz, 0-2 vs fnc) Please read the rules
2021-09-01 00:42
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#85
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Netherlands poeya1
prnt.sc/1qwq7r5 both 3 wins and 2 losses the only difference is literally a round
2021-09-01 00:39
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Again, the round difference is not what made the difference here, it's simply a coincidence that it turned out this way. Even if FaZe won two extra rounds vs NaVi on Inferno and ended up +4 in rounds, they still would have been eliminated. Go read the rules. We had a similar situation with 3 teams tied at 3-2 in ESL S11. Look at Group B standings, NaVi came out on top despite having the worst round differential between the teams tied 3-2: hltv.org/events/5226/esl-pro-league-seas..
2021-09-01 00:49
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#87
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Netherlands poeya1
stop saying ''read the rules'' it makes you look stupid as fuck not smart. are you saying that the ruling is fnatic played FaZe head to head and fnc won thats why it doesnt matter?
2021-09-01 00:49
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If FaZe lost 1-2 to fnc instead of 0-2 they would have advanced. The round difference really does not matter at all in this scenario. Why do you think NaVi was #1 here even though they had the worst round differential? imgur.com/eeYj0Uy
2021-09-01 00:56
Not knowing rules that have been place for years at this point makes you look way more stupid
2021-09-01 01:47
You are dumb as fuck lmao
2021-09-01 11:41
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#106
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Netherlands poeya1
not rly its really stupid rules to be fair
2021-09-01 18:35
1 reply
lol
2021-09-01 18:36
agree
2021-08-31 23:49
#77
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Czech Republic PaYaB
just play a tiebreaker bo1, that's better in lol (they have shitty bo1 groupstages tho)
2021-09-01 00:08
#89
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United States gweees
They should use the cologne/blast group system it’s way better
2021-09-01 00:57
dumbass they take head to head
2021-09-01 08:52
cry more
2021-09-01 09:04
Fnatic won head to head anyway?
2021-09-01 11:34
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