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What would Vitality look like without ZyWoo? That dude is carrying the whole team with double as much impact as GuardiaN used to carry NaVi - this is how I see it, this is what ZyWoo's stats are telling me when I'm looking at match results. There is literally no future for Vitality without their world class, award winning AWP player, do you agree or am I just a delusional casual?
2021-09-10 16:58
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#1
EliGE | 
CIS iToN
-Zywoo, disband, he literally hard carries the team, more than simple could ever carry
2021-09-10 17:03
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#3
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United States ashrock
+1
2021-09-10 17:05
did s1mple ever carried NaVi? I remember the GuardiaN carry but can u remember s1mple carry??
2021-09-10 17:05
21 replies
Well before B1t was there he was kinda carrying, the whole team was playing for him, he was baiting like crazy, they would drop awps to him in eco rounds, etc, but stats wise yes he was carrying hard, impact wise a little but not nearly as much
2021-09-10 17:08
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#28
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
he was not kinda carrying. when he was alone without electronic, navi was supershit. they got good only after electronic also joined.
2021-09-10 17:24
1 reply
So he was alone but actually wasnt because he had elec...
2021-09-23 18:44
+1
2021-09-12 00:18
#112
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Ukraine VoidWave
i hope this comment is a bait, if not - you have negative iq, congratulations!
2021-09-22 00:45
0/8
2021-09-10 17:08
you clearly didn't see NA VI in 2018
2021-09-10 17:49
3 replies
I did but I tend to forget many things which are categorized as not life important in my head and the reason is because my field of interest is enormous and constant knowledge flow and therefore everything useless for life is getting squeezed out with the time.
2021-09-10 17:54
2 replies
ah ok I understand; I also indulge in the art of mind squeezing and tend to have similar problems
2021-09-10 17:58
1 reply
I can't speak of a problem but I would kinda like to remember more epic stuff from CS because this game is simply part of my life. There is a very positive moment about this though - when you watch epic CS:GO moments or even whole games from majors etc. It's a lot of fun! :D
2021-09-10 18:03
#50
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Nepal sasukeee
did you start watch csgo from last night or what lmao.
2021-09-10 17:50
1 reply
your comment has the lowest niveau so far
2021-09-10 17:55
How did no one get this reference?
2021-09-10 18:04
5 replies
they are all tooo serious about it
2021-09-10 18:05
4 replies
Seriously retarded, more like!
2021-09-10 18:12
3 replies
what makes you come to such a conclusion, there is actually only one rude guy and a couple of baiters in this thread which is a damn nice surprise
2021-09-10 18:14
2 replies
Because I'm brilliant, obviously.
2021-09-10 18:20
1 reply
congraaaatz maaan! jesus loves you brotha!
2021-09-10 18:22
0/8
2021-09-10 18:05
ofc s1mple never carried his team, never on a tournament, BO3, match or a round even. low quality bait 0/8.
2021-09-23 19:16
Literally always before this lineup with b1t
2021-09-23 22:29
#35
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Canada loldougie
Na'Vi is just a better team than Vitality. If you -s1mple, they would still be decent.
2021-09-10 17:27
7 replies
I’ve been saying if you remove S1mple and add an ok awper like idisbalance or xsepower I feel like navi would still be a top 5-10 team S1mple just makes them top 1
2021-09-10 17:31
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#39
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Canada loldougie
Sounds about accurate to me yeah. Vitality can't say the same thing though, they would probably drop out of top 10.
2021-09-10 17:32
5 replies
and also looks like an average, unbiased and unbaited opinion about this situation
2021-09-10 17:37
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#80
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Canada loldougie
+1
2021-09-10 20:19
They would drop out of top 20 lol
2021-09-10 17:39
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#79
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Canada loldougie
Definitely could
2021-09-10 20:17
Literally would play Malta vibes
2021-09-10 18:25
#78
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Belarus Bot1ch
s1mple carried ur mom tho, i mean that's a lot of kilo's
2021-09-10 20:14
-ZywOo means DBL Poney > Vitality
2021-09-10 17:04
2 replies
-ZywOo means MIBR > Vitality when mibr win against a team it means that they absolutely needs to disband and uninstall cs
2021-09-22 02:47
1 reply
aahhahahaa
2021-09-23 18:53
Zywoo cant do shit without shox and apex they have a lot of experience , you cant win every time only with talent
2021-09-10 17:06
30 replies
interesting opinion, elaborate please. So you're saying shox and apex are creating a perfect atmosphere for xiwuu?
2021-09-10 17:08
28 replies
hes saying zywhoo is baiting them
2021-09-10 17:11
24 replies
do you even know how nice XiWuu is as a person? such people can't bait, such people don't even lie and never kill a fly
2021-09-10 17:13
14 replies
zywhoo bites
2021-09-10 17:15
13 replies
I would let him bite me
2021-09-10 17:24
12 replies
ummmmmm ok?
2021-09-10 18:24
10 replies
Wouldn't you let him bite you tho ?
2021-09-10 21:11
9 replies
no
2021-09-10 22:52
8 replies
you should let him bite you, you might become a spiderskill
2021-09-11 00:06
1 reply
you mean i'll become a cheater like him? ewwww no thanks
2021-09-11 01:13
Damn, would you let me bite you then ?
2021-09-11 10:54
5 replies
are you a female?
2021-09-11 11:50
4 replies
if you want me to be one or imagine it hard enough yeah
2021-09-12 00:15
3 replies
emmmm but maybe you have a sister?
2021-09-12 00:25
2 replies
I can be the sister as well np
2021-09-12 12:17
1 reply
lol
2021-09-23 18:34
why are you gay?
2021-09-23 18:23
Zwyoo basically goes first, its shox that is baiting like crazy/wanting to 1vx clutch.
2021-09-10 18:28
8 replies
that's also what I observe when I get to watch Vita
2021-09-10 18:33
if zywhoo stops biting, hes rating will go >0.8
2021-09-10 18:34
6 replies
#81
koks | 
Yugoslavia al0))
*<0.8
2021-09-10 20:19
5 replies
yeah, im bad at math, im just doin meth
2021-09-10 20:20
4 replies
#84
koks | 
Yugoslavia al0))
better do meph :-)
2021-09-10 20:21
3 replies
was is das
2021-09-10 20:21
2 replies
better than math
2021-09-10 20:52
1 reply
meh
2021-09-10 20:56
any tactic they do is made for zywoo , teammates are so fucking important , sure zywoo its the best player there but when you have high-class teammates behind you , you will play 10x better
2021-09-10 17:14
#101
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United States gweees
You should watch shox’s hltv confirmed
2021-09-11 01:35
1 reply
can you please tell me the part I should watch? I watched what shox had to say about Heroic
2021-09-11 12:50
LOL ,zywoo have no experience u saying? shox is used to be the second best but is just ziwuu decoy (like apex)
2021-09-22 02:48
#6
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United States ashrock
There'll be a future, just a terrible future.
2021-09-10 17:05
3 replies
that's a wise and realistic comment, well said
2021-09-10 17:18
honestly zywoo's the star of vitality and that's for sure, but sometimes Vitality wins without Zywoo delivering that much misutaaa and shox sometimes are top fragging on a series
2021-09-10 18:07
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#75
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United States ashrock
Yes, but it's fair and far between. CS is a team game after all, although none of Vitality player had positive KD against Gambit, they still had their part, be it Misutaa entries, Kyojinn's trade/entry, Shoxie info plays, 3K deag and Apex IGL, frag etc. It's just ZywOo has astronomical impact more often than not and Vitality will be in shambles If they had some mediocre player instead of him.
2021-09-10 19:09
if you replace s1mple by sh1ro or another decent awper, NaVi still very good if you replace ZywOo by KennyS, then Vit top 20
2021-09-10 17:07
10 replies
I get your point but Sh1ro is also miles ahead of KennyS
2021-09-10 17:11
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#23
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Okay then Replace ZywOo with the best french AWPer right now (Nivera? Maka? Afro?) Replace s1mple with a CIS AWPer at the exact same level. Who is better? Navi or Vitality?
2021-09-10 17:19
2 replies
Navi of course, that's why I said "I get your point" .
2021-09-10 17:20
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#26
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Ok awesome
2021-09-10 17:21
yeah and kennys is not really an option if he's not grinding again
2021-09-10 17:11
it's amazing how NaVi improved over the last year that this became possible. Before it was s1mple alone hard carrying the team dropping 30 bombs when NAVI is losing maps. Now the whole team stepped up.
2021-09-12 12:19
4 replies
Now s1mple has teammates who he can rely on and that's what he needs to be able to have max. amount of free movement. Watching the documentary on him has only confirmed everything I thought about his personality and mindset and I'm just like him in that regard. This is best NaVi in CS:GO so far :>
2021-09-22 00:42
Elec always played well for navi. And navi replaced zeus with best fragging IGL cis has (not jame since jame is AWPer) and since they picked up perfecto they had massive ammounts of firepower already. This stupid dick riding that navi only worked because of simple is flatout stupid. Navi had probably second best rifler in the world alongside best fragging IGL of the region. Navi would have been top10 team without simple. They just wouldnt be top1 contender. Meanwhile vitality with kennys or maka or nivera would be top30 team but nothing special.
2021-09-23 18:49
2 replies
Yes true, but what I wanted to say is that even with the same roster NaVi has improved significantly compared to their game a year ago. I remember watching their Nuke games in 2020 and their T sides were just toothless. Now Nuke became the staple in their map pool. They improved on the Teamplay so much.
2021-09-23 22:27
1 reply
That they did and as much as i hate simple fanboys and even have dislike for him personally he and the whole team really started to function as proper unit a lot more. Both in efficiency and how often it occurs. Finally when navi has #1 spot in rankings it actually feels deserved because its on the back of teamwork and huge ammounts of firepower instead of their old approach of stack firepower on firepower and hopefully everything works out and everybody performs / overperforms so we win few tournaments...
2021-09-24 00:18
#8
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Australia Torres_
Won't make much of a difference he doesn't really do much anyway. They can replace him with someone else and they would stull be the same team.
2021-09-10 17:07
5 replies
You won't bait many people with that I think.
2021-09-10 17:09
2 replies
they would have lost that match for certain if not for zywho
2021-09-10 17:25
1 reply
+1
2021-09-10 17:30
0/8
2021-09-10 17:24
Zywoo is the only player in Vitality. Others are all bots. If -Zywoo, then disband is the only choice for this ugly team
2021-09-10 17:08
9 replies
Typical 10 iq comment
2021-09-10 17:15
8 replies
name doesn't checks out
2021-09-10 17:19
#25
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France Leskines
he is right tho, french cs was dying until zywoo showed up
2021-09-10 17:20
6 replies
and now look at this french powerhouse mens)) apex, shox are back motivated, that's a huge boost to french scene
2021-09-10 17:26
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#42
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France Leskines
yep and shox the lurker of the team ( so the principal baiter has barely 1.0 rating and apex isn't really better even if it's more understable since he is the igl)
2021-09-10 17:38
1 reply
it's not much time that I currently have to watch CS but when I do and I see Vita play, apex is kinda like rapex, his aim looks to be on point and his AK just makes fun to watch, hope it's still the case :D
2021-09-10 17:44
Sure, super motivated!!!!!! hltv.org/stats/matches/83857/gambit-vs-v..
2021-09-10 17:46
1 reply
He is not allowed to have bad games?
2021-09-23 18:51
misutaaa is good though
2021-09-11 01:28
yesterday game didn't look like you described
2021-09-10 17:24
4 replies
+1 the young guns are stepping up weeks after weeks
2021-09-10 17:26
yes zywoo 9:0 in openings on inferno doesnt show how vitality would do without him
2021-09-10 17:35
1 reply
they were talking about the Vertigo T side 8 round win streak, where ZywOo didn't get a single kill
2021-09-10 20:20
hah and you better hope it stay this way, I used to cheer for NaVi back then as GuardiaN has been carrying, it wasn't fun, hard times :D
2021-09-10 17:39
nope not delusional at all. Everyone knows vita is nothing without zywoo.
2021-09-10 17:28
They would be better without zywoo, they wouldn't have to work so hard on zywoo baits and they would play more as a team
2021-09-10 17:45
1 reply
nt b1ad3
2021-09-10 17:47
#51
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France Loutcho_Q
ZywOo not even playing awp in t sides and inferno/vertigo [CT] and u say awp player xddd
2021-09-10 17:51
#66
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
ZywOo carries them but it's definitely not just the ZywOo show at all. Shox is the anchor, apEX has been on good form as of late and misutaaa is playing lights out currently.
2021-09-10 18:23
3 replies
This is a must, otherwise the situation would be like the GuardiaN carry situation :D My question to you - do you think shox and apEX are irreplaceable for ZywOo, or rather the opposite?
2021-09-10 18:39
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#73
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Well apEX is the IGL and Shox is the KRIMZ of the team, so they are absolutely vital to both Vitality and ZywOo.
2021-09-10 18:44
Thats kind of unfair tho That navi was working to setup guardian almost always. 2020 online navi actually felt really simmilar but 2020 navi had much more firepower. Yes Guardian was insane awper at the time (i still think he is pretty solid) and navi was basically forced to rely on him because seized, edward always looked average and flamie was inconsistent but after navi added flamie and starix was coach (and caller until valve banned it) navi wasnt 1 man show as you describe it.
2021-09-23 18:54
#74
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Indonesia FinZzz
Without Zywoo they would go down the drain. Probably to top 20-30
2021-09-10 18:51
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#76
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United States ashrock
I doubt If they'll be that bad. Misutaa could step up his game, Kyojinn has potential like Misutaa, Apex would still be a good IGL, can't say same about shoxie but he could be better or worse and with some mediocre player instead of ZywOo, maybe not as bad as top 30 but somewhere around top 10(overperforming) - top22(normally) and now way they even stay competitive against teams like Gambit.
2021-09-10 19:12
1 reply
Nah, they would play Nine to Five
2021-09-10 21:11
misuta has good potential he play hard roles.. right now apex and shox bring lot of experience.. i think their team is right if kiojin perform , with navi they are one of the most hardest team to beat on lan and also online it s never easy against them . Gambit, heroic and all the team who rised on the online era won t show the same level on lan, it remind me apex shouting to heroic players where are you ? and it was not even a real lan hhhhhh
2021-09-10 19:20
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I remember that cadiaN shouting and then apEX answering in the same way hahah. I love this though because it's very human and it's a ton of hours of work to get there and win the most hard games while giving everything you got.
2021-09-23 18:25
#85
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France evelynski
Depends who they get to replace him, let's say another awper such as maka or afroo, they would be top 15-20 at best.
2021-09-10 20:21
3 replies
this is what some people wrote in this thread aswell, that there are other french AWP players to eventually replace BUT do you guys seriously compare Maka with ZywOo? Back to back #1 player
2021-09-10 21:05
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#92
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France evelynski
I'm not comparing them, ZywOo is miles above this is why I said top15/20. With ZywOo vita was top1 and can be again in the future.
2021-09-10 21:13
1 reply
ah yes sorry had to read again
2021-09-10 21:33
#94
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
i would say he zywoo definitely has a harder job than s1mple, given s1mple has a top5 player on his team as well as bit who is starting to have impressive performances, and perfecto being solid consistently theres potential in the vitality roster if they can find consistency. i think shox is the weakest link atm, other than kyojin but he's new so i let that slide
2021-09-10 21:37
apex, shox retire or switch to valorant kyojin go back to french sub top misuta maybe could have a chance at international team
2021-09-10 21:38
#99
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Austria Grundz
Without Zywoo, Vitality are basically Dbl poney. I SEE NO DIFFERENCE.
2021-09-11 01:19
should be playing in better team i am mean than where the whole team will play like liquid or faze
2021-09-12 00:20
#113
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Sweden DonGatsby
-zywoo means tier 2 team
2021-09-22 01:19
#116
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Kazakhstan oscar9992
Zywoo solo carries not only Vitality but a whole French CS GO Scene IMHO!
2021-09-22 02:53
4 replies
#113 and your comment - is it really that bad? :D I think apEX is top 20 actually
2021-09-23 18:19
3 replies
If apex is top 20 dev1ce never won a major
2021-09-23 18:21
2 replies
ok, where do you see apEX if you think about it honestly and without bias?
2021-09-23 18:25
1 reply
His aim is not the best and he is not consistent at all
2021-09-23 18:26
solid competitors for ence
2021-09-23 18:24
Zywoo should go to g2
2021-09-23 18:25
5 replies
G2 speak englando but XiWuu doesn't
2021-09-23 18:26
4 replies
He knows English, he has been speaking English in fpl
2021-09-23 18:31
3 replies
everyone can speak english, everyone can play the guitarr, the question is how good or bad
2021-09-23 18:41
2 replies
well he would replace jackz and he isnt very good at english. When g2 became international Jackz didnt know much english at all
2021-09-23 19:02
1 reply
that's a good point
2021-09-23 21:12
+1 zywoo to g2
2021-09-23 18:49
ZywOo; GOAT carry shox: an inconsistent boomer bot who used to be consistent kyojin: casual bot misutaaa: an inconsistent bot who used to be a consistent bot bot apEX: a bot who likes to mald and is as casual as kyojin
2021-09-23 18:52
#141
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Bulgaria Norwenn
If you watch football/soccer and more specifically Barca, then you know the answer.
2021-09-23 22:33
They literally play for Zywoo to have an impact on the rounds ... -Zywoo It would mean they have to play as a team where everyone contributes and apex would not be a good IGL for that ...
2021-09-23 22:35
Vitality pick up keoz and Maka to replace ZywOo and shox. apEX IGL/ 2nd AWP (he has a good scout so maybe works) keoz Entry misutaaa 2nd Entry Maka AWP Kyojin Lurk Probably still a top 15 team looking at the rankings rn.
2021-09-24 00:13
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