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Grand slam > Major BUT
Aleksib | 
African Union DeLuSiOnAl_NeWfAg 
What Navi won was basically an Online Grand slam or an "Online slam" Even the LAN events Navi won had minimal or no crowd at all. This is why their accomplishment don't hold as much value. Grand slam (Astralis, Liquid) > Major > Online slam (Navi)
2021-09-14 18:02
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#1
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Disregarding everything they've accomplished simply because it was online? That says more about you than it does Na'Vi... EDIT: Typographical error.
2021-09-14 18:04
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#6
i am | 
Finland iBait
Surely you don't think that online CS is just as meaningful as LAN CS
2021-09-14 18:06
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#11
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I never stated that but completely disregarding it altogether is completely unfair.
2021-09-14 18:07
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#20
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Finland iBait
He didn't disregard it though, he just said that it wasn't as valuable
2021-09-14 18:10
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#25
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
If I misconstrued that then I apologise, my intention wasn't to start an argument. I still think it's unfair to compare them, there is no reason to.
2021-09-14 18:13
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#34
i am | 
Finland iBait
Oh I agree with you, it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Still though, looking at it from a CS historical angle I think that since stadium LANs have always been the gold standard of pro CS it's probably fair to say that anything else is automatically less meaningful in the grand scheme of things
2021-09-14 18:34
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#37
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Yep and as stated in post #32, simply stating that as it is shouldn't be responded with posts like post #1, so I'm eating humble pie on that one. Thank you again. :)
2021-09-14 18:35
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Wtf is this Meaningfull conversation ON HLTV ?????????
2021-09-14 19:40
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I think both of them should get permabanned for this. Not acceptable on this platform. Only hate and misery
2021-09-15 12:17
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i agree i am so dont know the words but you know what I mean like what in gods name is going on here ON this forum Is this what the internet is supposed to be like
2021-09-15 21:46
they played better at lan than online so your point is just objectively wrong
2021-09-14 18:50
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#47
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Finland iBait
i don't think you get my point then
2021-09-14 19:06
shall i remind you that if it would be a lan navi would not even let vità get to 14 they would literally smash vitality, navi is stronger on lan
2021-09-14 19:22
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#64
i am | 
Finland iBait
there's a chance vita wouldn't have been in the final if it was a lan
2021-09-14 19:43
But they let G0-2 get to 14 rounds lol
2021-09-15 01:57
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g2 gets bétter at lan too because jackz gets good who is shit rn
2021-09-15 04:32
#7
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Czech Republic Ventraks
lan > 🤡nline in every aspect /CLOSED
2021-09-14 18:06
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#16
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I agree but that doesn't mean we that their accolade "doesn't hold as much value".
2021-09-14 18:08
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#35
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Norway scrayfever
That is exactly what it means
2021-09-14 18:31
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#39
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It sucks that the very concept not only indicates that tournaments suffer but also incorporates achievements alongside it. I just think it's unnecessary to compare them is all. Still, I apologise for starting a pointless argument.
2021-09-14 18:38
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#55
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Norway scrayfever
you act like you are some pseudo-intellectual, you are just not smart bro lan - different stakes, more impressive more barriers to overcome, on stage infront of thousands shaking with nerves and maintaining mental. online - bedroom in teamspeak with the boys not to say online play is meaningless but the idea that the accolade is the same online as on lan is just moronic expected from jonty
2021-09-14 19:22
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#59
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I'm not trying to be a pseudo-intellectual, I was making a point but at the same time, I didn't read all of the information before posting and therefore I apologised to the other users for causing an accidental argument. I'm all for saying LAN is obviously better but it sucks that Na'Vi's is going to be compared to the previous two IGS winners, which isn't really fair considering what we are still currently going through. Online or not, an IGS is still an IGS but I obviously understand what you mean with your post. No need to make moronic statements yourself, friend.
2021-09-14 19:26
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#60
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Norway scrayfever
you come in the thread trying to talk mad shit your whole argument is "well the players might not like it that their grand slam is worth less and the TO's wont someone think of the poor TO's?? :(" youre not even a pseudo-intellectual because they are at least trying to sound intelligent
2021-09-14 19:29
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#61
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I don't think you're reading my posts properly... I apologised for posting without having all of the information prior but "pseudo-intellectual" doesn't make any sense whatsoever... Are you annoyed due to this comment or something? hltv.org/forums/threads/2431862/how-to-g.. Your bizarre assumptions aside, I already explained my point to you.
2021-09-14 19:36
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#65
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Norway scrayfever
I don't really even remember this. Also I just know you're one of these no lifers on the forum all day. Stop acting like your opinion holds any weight man you are not some industry exec defending your position you're just objectively wrong and refuse to admit it.
2021-09-14 19:42
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#66
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
All you're doing is continuing to make silly accusations for no reason at all. At least I had the capacity to apologise for my mistakes.
2021-09-14 19:44
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#67
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Norway scrayfever
What mistake did I make? You are wrong, I am right. You come into the thread talking shit on OP but he is objectively right and you're just trying to be like 'how dare you say this about me making these accusations' there are no accusations bro you are just not smart or right there is nothing else too it and your hubris, it's tilting
2021-09-14 19:48
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#69
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I admitted I was wrong and I apologised for my actions but the wild accusations you made are obviously not correct at all, are they? I also didn't "talk sh*t" about the OP, my post should be clear in that regard. All of the other users I replied to in response to my post understood my point fine but not you, apparently I am this and that according to you, which will be respected, of course. Again, I don't think you're reading my posts properly...
2021-09-14 19:53
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#70
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Norway scrayfever
Simply put, I think you are scum for what you did in this thread idc what other people think of you or whatever it is youre saying. you are wrong and a pseudo-intellectual wannabe opinion andy - there is no persuading me otherwise thank you but please refrain from spamming out some uninformed garbage again sincerely
2021-09-14 19:59
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#71
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I have already apologised and if you aren't reading my posts properly, then there is nothing else i can really do, your absurd assumptions aside, of course. With that, I apologise once more and I wish you a good day.
2021-09-14 20:39
I'm not disregarding anything. I'm just giving my opinon on why I think their Grand slam is not equivalent with Astaralis' or Liquid's
2021-09-14 18:06
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#14
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Online or not, it's still a great accomplishment.
2021-09-14 18:07
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For sure but comparing it to Astralis' or Liquid's grand slam or even to a major is not fair imo.
2021-09-14 18:09
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#24
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
There isn't any need to compare them, though. All of CS:GO was unfortunate enough to fall within the COVID-19 lockdowns and restrictions, that isn't Na'Vi's problem or the problem of those who still performed to the best of their abilities despite that.
2021-09-14 18:11
#19
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United States bxteme
Yet it still is less of an achievement than a major or the lan slam
2021-09-14 18:10
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#28
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
The achievement is the same, online or not. It's different and obviously so but claiming it holds less value or is less impressive (not in this thread obviously) is something I disagree with. Sure LAN will always trump online but that doesn't mean the achievements have to suffer also.
2021-09-14 18:15
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#29
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United States bxteme
You contradicted yourself in your first two sentences
2021-09-14 18:17
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#32
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I'm basically stating that just because LAN is better than online, that doesn't mean the achievements need to qualify under the same premise. What Na'Vi accomplished was great, it doesn't need to be compared to the other two IGS' but I understand what you and everybody else means, it's still online regardless of how you slice it, which is a shame but it is what it is. Simply stating that as fact should not cause problems but I apologise for not understanding all of the information before making a post.
2021-09-14 18:22
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But op's point is comparing them Idk why you say it doesnt need to be compared
2021-09-14 20:55
Every other team that is competing for the grand slam is in exactly the same conditions as NaVI. If online IGS is supposedly of a lesser value, meaning that it is an "easier" achievement, there must exist a stronger team that would beat Navi, do you see this?
2021-09-14 21:45
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#90
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United States bxteme
yea and if any other team won it i would devalue the achievement as well and just because it's an "easier" achievement doesn't mean a better team would have won it, navi is clearly the best in the world im just saying online achievements simply don't hold the same water compared to lan ones
2021-09-15 01:30
He's not disregarding everything. He said it doesn't hold as much value, which it doesn't. There's nothing to argue about here.
2021-09-14 18:06
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#18
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I disagree. Yes it wasn't done on LAN but it's still an IGS.
2021-09-14 18:09
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And may i ask with which part of my statement you disagree with because i never said it is not an IGS nor did the op. If you think navi's igs holds as much value as liquid's or astralis igs, there's no point discussing this further, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Have a splendid day friend!
2021-09-14 18:14
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#30
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Post #25 and post #28. My intention wasn't to cause an argument and I apologise if my post did but I'm merely stating that I disagree overall, not to your post in particular, friend. I hope you have a great day also. :)
2021-09-14 18:18
Money > Grand Slam > Major > ....................9999999999 > your trash opinion
2021-09-14 18:04
#3
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Finland iBait
Grand Slam > Major > Cologne > Katowice > New York > EPL > BLAST Finals > Sydney > Chicago > DH Masters > Starladder > EPICENTER > Flashpoint > DH Open > Fragadelphia > A bunch of silvers having a LAN party in a basement > Online Slam & other online shit
2021-09-14 18:14
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Blast world final?
2021-09-14 18:29
Katowice > Cologne. It's much older and more legendary IEM World Championship.
2021-09-14 21:01
Blast Group > Major
2021-09-14 18:05
#5
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Estonia myrhh
name doesn t check out
2021-09-14 18:05
Major > lan slam > valorant lan > whatever Navi won
2021-09-14 18:06
S1mple, the notorious onliner
2021-09-14 18:07
Pinnacle Cup > Home Sweet Home > 2013 Major > 2021 Major > Grand Slam
2021-09-14 18:07
No
2021-09-14 18:07
#21
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United States bxteme
Fragadelphia >>> (s0mple would be destroyed by bnb because he is an onliner)
2021-09-14 18:11
thats what all of the chokers would say like s1mple zywoo niko
2021-09-14 18:11
Your logic is literally saying 'no audience = no value' disregarding all other important factors. Fail.
2021-09-14 18:11
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Maybe consider reading my post again. I said "don't hold as much value" and not "no value"
2021-09-14 18:13
#31
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Ukraine McSwell
LAN without crowd > LAN with crowd (cheating for home team) > online. Grand Slam with LAN Katowice & Cologne victories + winning online events vs onliners like Heroic, Gambit and BIG = any other Grand Slam.
2021-09-14 18:20
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Katowice wasn't a real LAN, neither was Cologne
2021-09-14 18:38
Navi could've won with or without lan . they won 2 lan events and they won 2 online events.
2021-09-14 18:32
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'LAN'
2021-09-14 18:39
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ah yes Iem katowice 2020 was a 'lan' and also the grand final in cologne was against G2 which had some of the most qualified lan players of all time . Also having a crowd is important I agree with that but with online you couldn't actually innovate on new strategy which ment you had to be the best at defaulting like gambit but navi missed events so they could actuall have strats. they winning the grand slam was a factor of them taking every advantage they could and not because of the online conditions. they most likley would've not won it because of lan because gambit showed them flamie is not a good player anymore.
2021-09-14 18:53
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wat
2021-09-15 12:09
dude, these guys were playing so much LANs so with such a players they have they wouln't stop on 2nd places on tournaments in the end, who else is able to win them on LAN nowadays, if we take usual question about pressure and different thoughts - Washed up Astralis? honestly for them playing on LAN or playing on bootcamp is the same, so doesnt matter, but matter the condition of new players(Lucky, Bubz) - Liquid? Maybe, but look at Grim, he is getting tilted when he someone killing him - Vitality? Maybe, but 2 new players may play differently - Heroic? Look at these guys, before Cologne cheating they never entered top10, average tier 2-2.5 team, which after shout of crowd gonna piss their pants - G2? despite their sniper, imagine Niko tilting another team on LAN, funny shitshow :D - Gambit? 50/50 these are only teams could compete somehow with Na`Vi, rest are t2 with their nowadays game
2021-09-14 19:14
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"Heroic? Look at these guys, before Cologne cheating they never entered top10" Your comment is poorly worded, it implies they cheated at Cologne
2021-09-15 02:02
facts > assumptions
2021-09-15 12:10
With its history, nothing beats a major for me, not even a grand slam
2021-09-14 18:35
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IGL is a history Major is an average tournament like ESL or IEM Considiring the fact that the host is PGL even ESLS and IEMS easily beat majors lol except for corona major with 2m prize pool
2021-09-14 19:24
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Cope, IGS is only relevant to Liquid fans and stupid Navi fanboys
2021-09-15 02:04
#42
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Japan PKcrash
+1
2021-09-14 18:44
how can you underrate their achievements, when everyone is able to be in same conditions as others btw, if online so easy, what AleksiB and his team won during all this time? maybe played any t1 tournament finals at least? really want to know what reached
2021-09-14 18:47
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+500 these discussions of online vs LAN are dumbest of all.
2021-09-14 21:55
#44
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CIS lorg0n
Close, but i think Grand Slam(Liquid, Astralis) > current Major > Grand Slam(NaVi) > previous Major
2021-09-14 18:47
#48
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Ireland Sodaking
nah Major > Every other csgo event
2021-09-14 19:07
Does a grand slam = era??
2021-09-14 19:08
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#52
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Not really, no. An era is measured by length of continuous, unbeaten dominance. So NiP, fnatic and Astralis. An argument can be had for LG/SK but there is a difference between being the best team in the world and having an era. It's why Team Liquid didn't have an era but they were easily the best team in the world at that time.
2021-09-14 19:18
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but didn't liquid win like 4 consecutive tier 1 events in a row?
2021-09-14 21:40
Online difficult is either as difficult or more than LAN due to things like hype and crowd-cheating.
2021-09-14 19:11
Its kinda ironic because NaVi isnt even that good online as they are at LAN So what u basically say is pure nonsense BS I can understand why people cry about Gambit, but NaVi? Do u really think that anyone would have a chance against NaVi on lan? nope. Only people who are mad about NaVi dominating and achieving the highest possible award in CS:GO would say that. 1m in prize money, extreme consistency and dominance to be able to win that. U must be high if u think that an average 500k major for the first place can beat that. The one that we will have in Stockholm is basically 2 majors at once and the team that wins that major will beat navis achievement because its a 2m major on LAN (its still much easier than winning IGL) But if we are talking about a normal major, any player would like to win an IGL instead. Pure dominance, rare achievement and insanely much more money lol Grand Slam > Major any day of the week.
2021-09-14 19:22
True.
2021-09-14 19:24
#58
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Turkey orionski
major > grand slam
2021-09-14 19:25
#62
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Russia ToughGuy
Nah all playing in the same conditions + pressure almost the same, although winning on lan with crowd more prestigious Also majors are overrated since fluke teams like gambit, cloud9 have won it + ence, avangard were in final
2021-09-14 19:40
they need to win a LAN major or its just another forgotten era
2021-09-14 19:51
#73
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Europe Vallon4
+1 Online Slam is a sham.
2021-09-14 20:56
Both IEM Cologne and IEM Katowice were LANs technically, and both the remaining Online events were won against other Online era teams like Gambit and Heroic, which is also just as impressive, in that context. At the core of the game, everyone was playing in the same environment for nearly 2 years, so nobody should have any excuses anymore. Having said that, I agree. LAN grand slam means more than Online grand slam. And, Major is still more prestigious than both, imo.
2021-09-14 21:11
Major > IGS Igs is just a money bonus for winning some events with a lot of time given, like 1.5 year omegalul
2021-09-14 21:17
#77
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Romania sth1337
2021 competition better than astralis or liquid grand slam competition
2021-09-14 21:25
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beacause liquid destroyed other teams?
2021-09-14 21:42
4 replies
Because every year the level of competition increases.
2021-09-14 21:48
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doesn't matter at all, every team is stronger than 3 years ago, and liquid made it in 2 months on LANS with a lot of FANS, it s more stressfull etc. Liquid era was short, but the most spectacular
2021-09-14 21:50
#85
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Romania sth1337
In that era only liquid/astralis were strong in this era dont forget that we have 4 CIS teams in playoff of katowice and the competition its on another level
2021-09-14 21:51
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in katowice we had : - weak heroic just before changes, and with banned coach - kinda fresh mousesports affter changes - faze with new player, and low morale - Nip with Stand-In - Weak g2 with KennyS - Liquid with new IGL - OG just before changes WOOOOOOOOOW SO STRONG SCENE IN 2021
2021-09-14 21:57
These stupid baits need to stop. This IGS holds just as much value as the previous ones, because the best teams at a given time and in given circumstances compete for the title. Conditions changed, so it's other teams fault for not being able to adapt. The world is not still, everything changes all the time. If you don't change, you die.
2021-09-14 21:50
astralis,liquid won GrandSlam with only one championship trophy ( cologne or katowice ) NAVI won GrandSlam with both cologne and katowice and both on LAN yea without crowd is still a LAN so in my opinion NAVI IGS > astralis,liquid IGS
2021-09-14 21:50
Grand slam>Major>IEM Cologne on LAN>IEM Kato on LAN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Grand slam online (or as I will now call it the grand slame)
2021-09-14 22:01
How is the disband of OG going?
2021-09-14 21:58
#91
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Brazil Bactuga
Major with LAN and Crowd > Online tournaments (i know Cologne was on LAN, but it was pretty much just a bootcamp, you couldnt even see the enemy faces)
2021-09-15 01:31
+1 nobody will remember this online grand slam
2021-09-15 02:10
dropping 0 maps in major playoffs > grand slam
2021-09-15 04:43
haters gonna hate xD
2021-09-15 12:13
#102
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Ukraine devitt
I kinda agree on that. Online events kinda irrelevant but this is all we have rn, during LAN era nobody wouldn't even give a shit about online event, but since it's online era we have to stand on something. If the Major happen on LAN with crowd then it will completely discredit every NAVI and other teams who won online achievments.
2021-09-15 12:19
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