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"you can fluke a major"
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Bosnia and Herzegovina happyiinesSs 
explain to me how can you fluke a major WIN? how can you say that winning 2 events without crowds or w very minimal crowds and 2 online events is harder and more valuable than winning the major and playing in front of tens of thousands of people? even the c9 team came back from 0-2 to win the whole event, beating the super team of g2, SK and the best team in world at the time FaZe, "fluke run" indeed.
2021-09-14 22:04
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United States post_poster
i dont like team => fluke
2021-09-14 22:05
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#4
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United States post_poster
but i agree with you
2021-09-14 22:05
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Lmao
2021-09-15 13:22
Yeah true, you can interpret it however you like since it’s one tournament
2021-09-14 23:14
+1 that's what all c9 haters are like
2021-09-14 23:44
#64
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North America guimi
+1
2021-09-15 00:05
#90
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Brazil renatorib
+111111
2021-09-15 01:55
+1
2021-09-15 07:54
+1 this is how fans who outsource all their self-esteem to the team they support behave
2021-09-15 15:13
#3
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Finland ksiBOB
you can fluke a major proof: c9
2021-09-14 22:05
33 replies
gambit.
2021-09-14 22:09
16 replies
gambit didn't fluke, they just lost form and replaced al ltheir players
2021-09-14 22:13
#75
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Europe Daudy
Gambit won other trophies with that lineup in the same year, its not really fluke its overperformance but not unreasonable one. Same goes for c9. Some finalists were 100% flukes tho.
2021-09-15 00:18
13 replies
+1 c9 won against prime SK with the same core
2021-09-15 13:05
1 reply
And lost to Faze in a very close quarterfinals at Katowice with the same team.
2021-09-15 13:13
Other than the major they just won a DHOpen, it was a fluke.
2021-09-15 13:46
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hltv.org/events/3165/ibuypower-masters-2.. This clearly made them best NA team at the time and its not like there were hundreds of events before major which was in january. They were performing well as a team at a time.
2021-09-15 14:54
9 replies
I was talking about gambit, cloud9 was not a fluke
2021-09-15 15:05
8 replies
Gambit had some decent results in other tournaments tho. They were legends in atlanta major before, second in CS summit. They were ok that year. Immortals being in finals was much bigger fluke
2021-09-15 15:10
7 replies
At the time of the major they were ranked 15 in the world, even lower than immortals. Most of the strong teams went out in the groupstage, the only strong team that they had to beat was astralis, other than that, they had pretty easy matchups, unlike c9
2021-09-15 15:12
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But they actually managed to do fairly well in tournaments arround major. Meanwhile if immortlas won that would have been much bigger fluke. Gambit went 3-0 where they beat very strong G2 in the groups, and fnatic and astralis. Those are not easy opponents. FNatic was pretty solid up until olof left and even after that they managed to be pretty solid. so not an easy team. They had luckiest finals that is true because most top teams didnt go to playoffs . Teams like north, immortals, big, were really bad honestly and only ones that were OKish were VP and they would have won VP in the finals too honestly. Gambit in the playoffs had to beat Fnatic -then SK/ Astralis #1 and #3 respectively so deffinetly hard matchup. So up until finals it wasnt even fluke per se.
2021-09-15 15:23
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Fnatic, at that time, wasn't doing so well, so much so, that olof would leave them for faze right after(They weren't even in the top 10). So the only strong team that gambit had to beat was astralis, which, i'll give them that, was not an easy match. But, i would call that a fluke since they had only 1 hard match out of 3. As you mentioned the group stage, it's important to remember that, at the time, they only played BO1 to get to the playoffs.
2021-09-15 15:29
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Bruh i was watching from the first major i know groups were bo1 thats why so many good teams choked majors you can get upset easily. But you cannot really call gambit fluke if the other "wing" of the playoffs was the fluky part not theirs. They didnt face single "easy" oponent considering their rankings not even in finals. And they back that up with other decent results in that timeframe. Another problem with gambit they fell appart same as C9. This is what i hate about the fluke argument. You cant know if they are fluke when Zeus their IGL instantly leaves also gambit couldnt have had much more good results when they were with zeus only for what? 9 months? They got 3 trophies in 9 months and didnt get any chance to have more... Did they get lucky? Yes. Were they team that wasnt able to win anything else No. Thats why i think they actually arent fluke. Immortals would have been much bigger fluke tbh.
2021-09-15 15:36
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To expand on this this true fluke would be if this current nip roster won major and than played like they have done for past year
2021-09-15 15:39
But the thing is that both "wings" weren't the most challenging, cause there were only 2 top 5 teams there, and they went head-to-head in the quarter-finals. Are you really trying to argue that c use they won 2 DHOpens, one against immortals and one against renegades, they weren't a fluke. Had they won any tier1 tournament before/after they wouldn't be a fluke, but they didn't
2021-09-15 15:44
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they won 2 other s-tier tournaments in and had other decent results like finnishing second in CS summit and making Legends in other major.
2021-09-15 16:04
No they had Zeus, A.K.A the GOAT
2021-09-15 16:01
they beat g2, astralis, vp, faze and sk to win it "fluke"
2021-09-14 22:10
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Finland ksiBOB
yes?
2021-09-14 22:11
here they are beating SK on inferno map 3 :D youtu.be/-iBMuZBlwKU
2021-09-14 22:14
6 replies
best major ever
2021-09-14 22:15
5 replies
#31
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Sweden quacke
flag doesn't check out
2021-09-14 22:31
4 replies
huh why? you think it's not?
2021-09-14 22:49
3 replies
I am guessing he is talking about Bosnia = NiKo = lost major final with Faze
2021-09-14 23:17
2 replies
aaa makes sense i cheered for c9 actually xdddd
2021-09-14 23:21
1 reply
Good for you, meanwhile I had heart attacks watching Ch0k0la Kovac
2021-09-15 00:16
In context with other tournaments they kinda did, they got beaten a lot by those teams before and after the major and where not top 1 or close to that
2021-09-14 23:15
4 replies
Werent they 4th or 5th that seems reasonably close to number 1 to me
2021-09-15 00:13
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yeah 5th i think but still they lost to the teams they won against in boston
2021-09-15 13:03
2 replies
I am pretty sure the only team they were consistently beating was g2
2021-09-15 14:27
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Yeah so not faze :C
2021-09-15 15:58
Oh yeah, AND THEY LOST TO ALL OF THEM AFTER THE MAJOR!!! THAT'S WHAT FLUKE MEANS MORON!
2021-09-14 23:24
1 reply
they won when it most matters
2021-09-15 13:17
#5
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Austria Ostmark
group stage group stage group stage group stage group stage 1st place group stage
2021-09-14 22:06
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#29
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United States Rayduh
Facts
2021-09-14 22:27
+1
2021-09-15 00:16
+1
2021-09-15 07:48
#6
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Russia ToughGuy
peaking at 1 event and then back to shit = fluke
2021-09-14 22:08
16 replies
that's true for maybe gambit but for c9 not really they fell apart cuz mibr took their players
2021-09-14 22:09
15 replies
MIBR took their players because they didn't perform well, why would they disband if they were still good as a team?
2021-09-14 22:26
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why would mibr pick up players that didn't perform well lmao? they took probably 2 of the best players from c9 and put them into sh*tty roles and almost ruined their careers thank god stew went to liquid
2021-09-15 13:19
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#108
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France evelynski
The team* didnt perform well and MIBR took them because they sucked even more at the time.
2021-09-15 13:24
5 replies
why take players that suck?
2021-09-15 13:25
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#114
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France evelynski
tarik and stew didnt suck? Cloud9 was truly a fluke win at the major, after that all the roster knew they would never top/achieve something like that ever again hence why they collapsed collectively.
2021-09-15 13:27
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yes ofc they didn't move to play with fallen and cold but moved because they thought that, are you c9 manager? stew left when they were top 2 lmao "they sucked"
2021-09-15 13:28
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#118
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France evelynski
"they sucked" above refers to MIBR but I thought it was obvious
2021-09-15 13:29
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oh ye mibr sucked really bad
2021-09-15 13:30
#125
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Brazil urisco
mibr literaly signed ex-boom a their new lineup
2021-09-15 13:59
Is your IQ below 10????? Why would the team disband and the good players would leave the team if the team is so good?
2021-09-15 16:24
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they didn't disband
2021-09-15 17:40
Actually old gambit fell apart not because they were unskilled or something else but because they were all too old (the only young player among them was Hobbit) But then still some of them came back to big stage again(AdreN, Zeus, Hobbit) FE AdreN: with Faze Clan - 1/4 final at the Katowice Major 2019, 1st place at Blast PS Miami 2019 with Avangar 2nt place at Berlin Major, 1st at Blast PS Moscow. Hobbit has been playing at a high level for the whole 2021
2021-09-14 23:46
Also, old Gambit had been doing well in other Majors as well constantly making Playoffs unlike C9
2021-09-14 23:50
#107
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France evelynski
You're wrong. Gambit won the major and it was the last event with that lineup since Zeus joined NaVi right after. So they had to give the IGL to someone else and recruit a new player, who wasn't very good moreover (fitch). And they had a few decent tournaments after that. Meanwhile Cloud9 after winning the major sucked at the following events with the same lineup, Stewie and tarik didnt leave right off the bat.
2021-09-15 13:23
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didn't leave right after but the talks were way before it actually happened, transfers don't just happen on one day also your point above zeus, what if zeus stayed, gambit would of been much better than with fitch
2021-09-15 13:24
#7
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United States gtmaniacmda
save all your strats for one tourney but do nothing before or after results-wise
2021-09-14 22:08
I don't think you understand what a fluke is.
2021-09-14 22:10
#11
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Ukraine Valta
if u can fluke any lan tournament win then u can fluke a major too
2021-09-14 22:10
3 replies
you can fluke maybe a good run, but winning it is something else if you win the major you deserve it
2021-09-14 22:11
2 replies
#16
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Ukraine Valta
if navi win pgl major its deserved then :)
2021-09-14 22:11
1 reply
of course it is
2021-09-14 22:14
c9 did it gambit did it avangar and ence "almost" did it what more explanation do u need?
2021-09-14 22:12
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#18
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Ukraine Valta
fnatic did it too the first time
2021-09-14 22:12
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cant really say that cuz whole competition was so weak there were basically just 2 teams total lol
2021-09-14 22:12
ence only fell apart because of allu and kicking aleksib, if they didn't have internal issues we can only wonder how good would they be c9 beat g2, sk, vp, faze to win it, and astralis as well and gambit went 3 0 in the groups beating g2 and vp, then they beat fnatic and astralis, wouldn't say it was the hardest run but deffo wasn't easy
2021-09-14 22:51
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nobody said it was ez, but thats not what fluke means?
2021-09-14 22:53
4 replies
"an unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck." you can call NaVi's grand slam a bigger fluke since they won 2 online tournaments and 2 "LAN" without crowd tournaments how "lucky" must you be to win the biggest prize in cs?
2021-09-14 22:57
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so using ur logic it would only be lucky if they had easy win against all of them? wtf even is this conversation
2021-09-14 23:04
Either baiting or 63iq
2021-09-15 00:11
Can't fluke 4 tournaments. People will start to take you seriously after the 1st event victory itself. After winning 2 events in a row, teams will specifically anti-strat you. After winning 3 in a row, you are literally Top1 Team in the world with probably 1000 points, and everyone knows that the 4th event would be a grand slam. Other teams will prepare like crazy for this one team. That's why winning 4 is tough. And ofc winning that on LAN is tougher, I agree. However, doing something multiple times in a row is literally opposite of what "fluke" means, so your comment makes 0 sense.
2021-09-15 15:22
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Ireland Sodaking
buddy Avangar didn't almost do it they were blown out very comfortably in the final one of the most lopsided Major finals and Ence did put up a good fight on Train but after that 16-11 loss they threw in the towel
2021-09-14 23:29
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yeah ofc cuz astralis were robots at the time? but u realize avangar shouldnt have been in playoffs at all let alone final
2021-09-14 23:30
9 replies
#46
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Ireland Sodaking
ehhhhhh ig but at the end of the day not making the playoffs is still better then losing the Major final regardless how much of a fluke it was getting there
2021-09-14 23:30
Lol AVANGAR made it to the playoffs comfortably 3-1 beating the best team at the time Liquid and G2 wtf are u talking about
2021-09-14 23:58
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flag checks out but thats literally what u call a fluke have they done that before or after? maybe only 6 months later
2021-09-14 23:58
5 replies
They just made it to the Grand Final of the IEM Katowice 2021, have you not been following the scene?
2021-09-15 00:10
4 replies
are u seriously comparing 2021 to 2019 lmao i get it that ur a triggered kazakh cuz someone mentioned ur country team but face the reality
2021-09-15 00:11
3 replies
How can it make any sense lol they are literally the same players
2021-09-15 00:19
2 replies
idk maybe because 2 years is a shit ton of time to improve? seriously wtf is wrong with u
2021-09-15 00:25
1 reply
For the guys from astalis it took more than 3 fkin years to get their shit together until they won their first Major, before that they were constantly choking at semis
2021-09-15 00:33
In the 1/4 final they beat n2 team at the time Vitality so they completely deserved the Grand Final
2021-09-15 00:01
Avangar and Ence almost? They got destroyed by Astralis, there was nothing almost about any of those tournaments, Astralis didn't lose a playoff map 3 majors in a row
2021-09-15 13:20
No team can fluke 2 swiss stages and play off imo, if someone was able to go through, they were the best team for sure.
2021-09-14 22:12
everything other than grand slam is fluke now that navi has won it dont question it just accept it
2021-09-14 22:13
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#26
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Czech Republic Ventraks
Haha you are so delusional
2021-09-14 22:23
2 replies
Actually its sarcastic, its referring to some navi fans's mindset probably.
2021-09-14 22:31
shh just accept it let the truth flow through you NAVI now joins Astralis and Liquid to form the top3 of all time no major matters anymore
2021-09-14 22:33
#25
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Czech Republic Ventraks
Astralis fluke too...
2021-09-14 22:22
3 replies
>4 majors >fluke Xdd
2021-09-14 23:39
2 replies
a 3 year long fluke😎😎
2021-09-15 00:15
#92
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Czech Republic Ventraks
Yes? Maybe they were cheating idk...
2021-09-15 07:36
#27
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Finland kiitoslino
You can fluke any tournament but a major win is always a major win even if you lose your form after it.
2021-09-14 22:26
#42
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Slovakia draaaaak
noob
2021-09-14 23:24
#47
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Argentina atriX^
Explain to me how the phrase "you can fluke a major" is at all related to NAVI and how they won their IGS? Why are you trying to make a connection there? Answering ONLY your title, "fluking" a major (or any other stacked event) happens when team X wins that event and then disappears right after. There's no consistency involved. I'm not saying it's easy but it's more likely to win one major with insane preparation than winning IGS. I mean, the C9 major, the Gambit major were all quite similar in that regard. For example, if Gambit were to win the upcoming major it wouldn't be looked through the same eyes as the 2017 one because they've had an entire year of consistent placings and event wins. I'm not saying it's "easy" though and I'm certainly not saying an IGS is worth more than a major because it's not.
2021-09-14 23:32
winning 4 events(2 LAN+2 online) will always be harder than winning any given event(even one as big as a major). Fnatic 2013 was a "fluke", Gambit 2017, C9 2018. Grand Slam teams are consistently the best for a long period of time, while for a major you only have to be the best for a few days
2021-09-14 23:34
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winning online>winning a major in front of tens of thousands of people? nice mate
2021-09-15 13:21
Maybe its not fluke but actually it doesnt metter if its online or LAN (I know Lan is harder) you can prepare for one tournament and it doesnt have to be fluke in case of C9 or Gambit I think not a lot of teams studied them so much and if they prepared properly then they could win. After major teams started to study their games more and suddenly they didnt win anymore because they arent that good it was just great preparation from them and other teams not prepared for them. So yes its easier to win one tournament even if its major then 4 tournaments as team everybody is preparing for because you already won 3 before and teams know you have chance to win Grand Slam
2021-09-14 23:47
If you're trying to say to the NaVi fans that Major > Grand slam. I agree with you, ofc major is more prestiene than a grand slam, but grand slam is the next best thing to a major and you can't take that away from NaVi. Major or no major they are still a great team and now with the fall of Astralis this year you can make a argument that they are most consistent team since 2018, maybe even ever, they were always a top 5 team (maybe except 2017).
2021-09-14 23:48
1 reply
+1
2021-09-15 13:22
astralis every year :D
2021-09-14 23:49
#56
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Russia Trueteller
flukers will fluke (C9) you can even fluke major MVP (turok) or fluke a nobel prize (obama)
2021-09-14 23:50
4 replies
This is kind of funny not gonna lie.
2021-09-15 00:59
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#84
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Russia Trueteller
thanks you mens! it was a joke, except the obama part, that was very weird actually
2021-09-15 01:13
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I mean the obama part is what makes it really stick. Because he really did fluke a nobel prize. 100%. I'm an obama guy too but I mean dude literally sent a 30k strong surge of soldiers into Afghanistan the year after. By no means was he like a peace loving hippy in the white house. Not that that's a bad thing either you don't really want a hippy in the white house.
2021-09-15 01:15
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#88
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Russia Trueteller
big +1
2021-09-15 01:24
I think its true, on the onliner part, people have forgotten we are only playing onliners u saw the first "lan" IEM Cologne, and teams like gambit just not being the same. When at that time, gambit were supposed to just steamroll every other team.. reality check on lan was obvious. I think Major, and THIS Major in particular means A LOT more than the usual.. i expect teams to crumble under the pressure, but i dont expect top teams to crumble. If they do, we all know, HLTV and other forums, will be 25/25 threads laughing at na'vi xD. So we will see
2021-09-14 23:51
#58
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Austria Grundz
Winning one tournament is not as hard as winning multiple tournaments. Winning multiple tournaments in a GS means you not only played peak at each tournament but had to adapt to new metas/playstyles/rosters. Navi legit had to win across 2 metas, with 2 different rosters, through teams bug abusing, and through a shit online era while they were one of the worst online teams. On top of that, they made a return to lan after a year and won. That's tough. I actually think what Navi did was harder than most. It was a grind, and in case anyone forgot, Navi at the start of online was absolute shit. They bombed out of road to rio, losing to hard legion, VP, and syman...they fucking sucked.
2021-09-14 23:51
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#85
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Russia Trueteller
+1 with b1t stepping up and Perfecto finding his stride, they look pretty good for next major
2021-09-15 01:15
The thing about winning a Grand Slam is that you need to be on top for a longer period of time in order to win the amount of events a Grand Slam requires. Besides that 1.000.000 dollars is more than you get for winning a Major (exculidng sticker money). While im writing this im starting to disagree with it. To win a Major you don't just have to win 1 tournament, you also have to proof yourself at the RMR events. hmm. I guess it comes down to personal opinion which one is more prestigeful. I guess what the Grand Slam has is that its an even more exclusive club than the Major.
2021-09-14 23:56
what kind of a backwards idiot do you have to be to take a statement like "you can fluke a major". expected from bosnians i guess.
2021-09-15 00:05
Majors are important but not like before
2021-09-15 00:07
gambit one was a fluke, and no one can deny that.. yeah, zeus deserved a major, but it was a fluke nonetheless
2021-09-15 00:09
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If the team makes it to the playoffs more than twice it’s not fluke
2021-09-15 00:45
if intel grand slam is easier why did only 3 teams win it? anyone can win a major you saw gambit and c9 where are they now? i mean gambit rn is doing good but a year ago? they were nothing and i dont even want to talk about the core gambit player zeus adreN and those guys where tf are they now? wow they won a major and then did nothing how is that harder that IGS ?
2021-09-15 00:14
Fluke means that they win 1 major then dont even come close to that success after it.
2021-09-15 00:36
Gambit and C9 fluked in that they weren't the best teams but c9 was top 5 going into it. Dark horse win for sure you all can argue if it's a fluke or not I don't really care and it's a stupid argument. Even if it was a fluke they still had to play it out on the server so whatever really. Good moment and the beginning of NA's most dominant moment in CS even if it was liquid/nrg that really took their momentum and ran with it. As far as the argument for IGS or major this is how it goes. IGS is 100% harder no question. Major is still more prestigious. Why? Because it's a major. It's really as simple as that it's how humans brains work. I mean Liquid won their GS at Cologne a tournament that has literally been called a major before but it wasn't this time so not quite as prestigious. Why? Because it's not a major.
2021-09-15 00:58
#83
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Austria arngnr
Major isn't much different from any other tournament. If you have good nerves it's just the same as another tier 1 lan tourneys.
2021-09-15 01:02
2 replies
"Major isn't much different from any other tournament" are you new to cs or?
2021-09-15 01:51
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#91
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Austria arngnr
Absolutely not. Been watching for years. The only thing that's different is the prestige and the prize money.
2021-09-15 02:41
people just love to discredit the C9 major win any way they can because they hate NA CS lmao... even though NA viewership is the only thing keeping pro CS alive. EU loves to cope.
2021-09-15 01:17
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lmao
2021-09-15 07:44
Major is just another tournament. At the moment nothing actually differs a major from any other top event. If you can fluke a tournament you can fluke a major.
2021-09-15 07:46
4 replies
"Major is just another tournament." just no
2021-09-15 13:26
3 replies
But yes. What is the difference? Same system, same teams, same format.
2021-09-15 13:28
2 replies
the crowd and the atmosphere is a big difference look at astralis and how online killed them, they're big game players you can't tell me a dreamhack small event is the same as the major?
2021-09-15 13:29
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There were a lot of tournaments like that, which crowd and athmosphere etc. Katowice, Cologne, tens of IEM or BLAST stops. Yes there is a certain amount of hype coming in towards the majors, but the concept is the same. People want to see majors as something special, but in fact they are not.
2021-09-15 13:41
+1 Dosia bestest
2021-09-15 13:09
2 replies
Dosia is washing powder wtf men google.com/search?q=dosia+washing+powder
2021-09-15 13:29
1 reply
Lmao i need one
2021-09-15 14:17
#111
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Europe Zinn0
comeback from 0-2 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
2021-09-15 13:26
2 replies
they were 0-2 in the group stages or however you call it
2021-09-15 13:27
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#122
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Europe Zinn0
oh mb
2021-09-15 13:37
u can fluke major if u were bad before and after this major Example: gambit, they were tier 2-3 team before Krakow, didnt win any t1 tournaments and after major they didnt win t1 tournament too, so that was fluke major, undeserved same for c9(they won 1-2 t1 tournaments but still not enough)
2021-09-15 13:31
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hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/48595/.. who is this young zywoo dominating the future major winners
2021-09-15 14:11
OFc u can fluke a major. Astralis 2019 Katowice Astralis 2019 Berlin They played crap teams in groups/playoffs and then beat ENCE/Avangar in the Grand Final. LMAO
2021-09-15 14:24
C9 //close
2021-09-15 15:27
Winning a major is more prestigious then winning an IGS. An IGS requires much more consistency, you can't win an IGS if you weren't at LEAST top 2 for very long, while you can win a major by being a top 1 team for 1.5 months and then declining, like Avangar almost did. It's not a fluke, it's just not as consistent as an IGS, but it's more prestige cause of the history of the scene.
2021-09-15 15:40
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