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r1qzor | 
Netherlands i_play_b_rotation 
Do you guys associate English skills with intelligence? it always feels like im being judged secretly when talking to 1
2021-09-15 14:50
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Not a native English speaker. Personally I don't think it makes sense to associate your proficiency in any language with intelligence.
2021-09-15 14:52
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Can confirm guys, I'm American and I can't even speak English properly.
2021-09-15 14:53
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LMAO
2021-09-15 14:53
Good job Mr. Smith. Are you here to fix my computer?
2021-09-15 14:54
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AHAHHA nice joke
2021-09-15 16:31
#124
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
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2021-09-15 17:29
i feel like every brit ever insults people for their english proficiency levels, at least in faceit on HLTV everyone's more chill
2021-09-15 14:54
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people would insult for anything in faceit
2021-09-15 15:02
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem its not the only thing)
2021-09-15 15:55
yeah its a fallacy even but it does not stop people from doing it subconsciously (or not)
2021-09-15 15:56
For me i think its not all about intelligence but it is about predisposition.U can't specify your intelligence based on one skill if u ask me.
2021-09-15 14:53
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yeah i feel like that's how it should be
2021-09-15 14:55
#122
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Brazil renatorib
+1
2021-09-15 17:09
No but its very easy to judge what sort of place you're from. If I queue CS the best English speakers are usually from Western Europe due to being taught it and needing it whereas id assume people with less skill usually live in a country it isn't taught much / don't have an expectation of working in the wider world so more likely poorer / in Eastern Europe. But that is all generalisations and i don't tend to think about it
2021-09-15 14:55
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i think the accent in general should give it away, i feel like a finnish, german, dutch and danish accent are all very easily recognizeable :D
2021-09-15 14:57
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Im not very good between Dutch and German tbh, nor Belgian and French, but other than that its pretty easy
2021-09-15 14:58
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Flemish/Dutch are essentially the same in terms of accent. Flemish and Dutch are basically the same language. So is French in Belgium and French in France, so that makes a lot of sense.
2021-09-15 14:59
#12
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Ecuador Ageless
Yes. I talk to my mexican friends who can't speak good English like I talk to a child. Even when it comes to tonality and such.
2021-09-15 14:58
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so do you consider them less intelligent because they're not as fluent in English?
2021-09-15 15:19
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#43
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Ecuador Ageless
Not necessarily, but I definitely talk to them like they are less intelligent than me. It doesn't help that these guys are 50 and laughing at practical joke like slapping each others asses at work
2021-09-15 15:23
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yeah obviously. However, do u base the way u talk to them on English skills mainly, or do u mainly take the way they act into consideration?
2021-09-15 15:25
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#50
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Ecuador Ageless
Acting most likely. I also do my best to speak spanish with them because its in general easier for us both.
2021-09-15 15:25
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yeah, bahavior often says a lot about intelligence, but thats another discussion obviously
2021-09-15 15:29
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#59
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Ecuador Ageless
for sure. And where I live I'll be honest, I dont really interact with many other non-I native speakers. But I just moved into uni and lots of Asians with English as Second Language and i find myself doing the same thing... It's a bad habit especially because I know they can understand my attitude and I shouldnt look down on others for not speaking the language, but its a hard habit to break because its easier lol
2021-09-15 15:32
#15
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North America Zorxs
Native American here: Depends. If you're a native, then yes. If not? Then no.
2021-09-15 15:00
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#17
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North America Zorxs
Native United States American, not Actual Native American (Indian).
2021-09-15 15:01
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honestly makes a lot of sense. An American who was born with American parents in America, even if less smart than average, still has a certain level of English proficiency. But if your IQ is very, very low it of course affects English skills as well.
2021-09-15 15:04
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yeah and that's where you can see their iq when they type effect instead of affect, how bad can it get I'm literally gonna burn a forest because of how mad I am that people can fail so easily on something that isn't even hard (you didn't gladly) 😤😤😤
2021-09-15 15:13
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nvm i get it now ur right, i guess. But then again theres loads of people that have Dyslexia so that changes the way you have to look at it again
2021-09-15 15:14
dang it, thought i found a fellow native, unluko
2021-09-15 17:01
I am not a native speaker but if think it may be a thing. If you use proper grammar people (not necessarily natvies) consider you as a more intelligent/well educated thus treat you better.
2021-09-15 15:01
2021-09-15 15:02
#19
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's always easy to judge others for their lack of English knowledge as a native speaker of English, that is why I never criticise the English of others because I think it's unfair to do, as English is not your native language and therefore I would be a horrible person if I did that. I think the only time I criticised another's English knowledge is when the other user did so with my English, so vice-versa I did so to them because they have the audacity to attack others for it when their English was also just as poor. As long as it's legible and readable, that is the only criteria that needs to be met. ^^ Does it equate to intelligence? Honestly, it's hard to say given how overrated intelligence is to begin with, it would be difficult to assume so based off of ones posting alone. Any user can act and pretend to type poorly or know very little but in actuality, may be smarter than led on to believe. Again, I think context is key, as it is very to make judgement and assumptions based of ones own posting.
2021-09-15 15:02
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I was not referring to just HLTV, just the communication skills in general. I dont think you can tell how good someone's english is by just a HLTV comment/post, as it's a very informal forum and most users, including me, often dont bother using "proper" language and punctuation anyways.
2021-09-15 15:11
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#30
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Ah, then my apologies. xD I think my post would still hold water in the same regard but just replacing posting with speaking, even then I guess it would be difficult to tell depending on how well one speaks the language.
2021-09-15 15:12
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yeah and even if you did, it would really get complicated because there are a lot of people who are very intelligent but also have dyslexia
2021-09-15 15:15
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#41
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Exactly. Dyslexia is scarily common, it affects every one in I think 10 or so people, it's one of the most common learning disabilities in the world. I don't have it personally but some of my closest have it or a form of it.
2021-09-15 15:21
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and that complicates the question as well, because when you see them write or read anything, it might look liuke they're not intelligent, because they cant read and write as quickly and are more likely to make mistakes. However, in reality, it doesnt say anything about intelligence
2021-09-15 15:24
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#49
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It is a really interesting discussion to be had simply because of how complex and how complicated the answer really is, which is that we will never truly know unless we see the truth for ourselves. ^^
2021-09-15 15:25
#29
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Ukraine devitt
Wise words, I couldn't expect anything else from such a legendary user as you.
2021-09-15 15:12
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#32
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Legendary user? O.o
2021-09-15 15:13
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#33
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Ukraine devitt
you don't like that title?
2021-09-15 15:14
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#39
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's always hard for me to respond to something like that but I think that is just me that personally struggles, I've never really been one to follow alongside that. ^^ Obviously I'm really thankful others think that of me but I never really see it like that, I believe we are all equal on HLTV. :) I love referring to other users like that but I guess I can't really say the same for me. xD
2021-09-15 15:19
you're generally known as legendary user, because of how active you are, the bright, nonbiased comments and general friendlyness
2021-09-15 15:18
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#46
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Post #39. I'm always flattered others think that and it is always an absolute pleasure but I think I will always have trouble responding to it. I just worry my responses will come across as pretentious or facetious even though they most probably wouldn't. ^^ Still, thank you all the same - Always a pleasure, friend. <3
2021-09-15 15:24
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well tbh the sad truth is that you can't properly discuss with everyone here on HLTV. There's only a small amount of people who are always respectful during those discussions, which is why i really enjoy talking to you :D Same goes for users like i_like_csgo, FaZeUpAssDown etc, i might not always agree with them, but they're often open-minded and respectful :D
2021-09-15 15:27
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#55
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Yeah I know exactly what you mean and I couldn't agree more. ^^ For me, it's always an absolute pleasure interacting with users such as yourself, so for others to feel the same way, it is definitely very healthy for a forum like HLTV. :D One of the reasons I created the list of users on my profile was for that very reason, to show other users there are are very great users to interact with on HLTV, even if they do not post as much as the disrespectful ones do. :)
2021-09-15 15:29
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i never thought about it that way, i thought you just only put people on there you liked :D
2021-09-15 15:32
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#98
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's a little bit of that but also other reasons. :)
2021-09-15 16:19
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biased towards some users huh? Unacceptable,who does that (totally not me for sure, i hate everyone here equally)
2021-09-15 16:19
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Bias is my official staff users who I'm closer to than other users. ;)
2021-09-15 16:30
#23
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Slovakia xaboff
Not native, and I don't like that I do it, but I subconsciously do it.
2021-09-15 15:04
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do you do it for Slovak, or also for English (and other languages you speak for that matter)
2021-09-15 15:07
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#51
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Slovakia xaboff
For English (I especially judge other Slovaks), nobody speaks Slovak and I don't speak any of my other languages well enough to judge others
2021-09-15 15:27
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that's also kinda weird, considering not everyone has the same opportunities to learn the language, as well as not everyone uses English as much on a daily basis as you might do very unpopular opinion for sure :D (not saying it's a wrong one, though)
2021-09-15 15:31
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#107
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Slovakia xaboff
Not really, as most schools here teach English from 1st grade, and all are mandated to teach it at latest from 3rd grade, so everyone (well, people my age, and people that started school in the 90s and later) have the same opportunity, plus I learned most of my English from the internet anyway. But as I was saying, I don't really want to judge people based on that, I just subconsciously do it, whether I like it or not
2021-09-15 16:48
I think intelligence is not about english, its about how can you use the language as a tool.
2021-09-15 15:06
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it's not about the skill, but often native speakers that are less intelligent are worse at their language. You can often tell by the words they use if they're intelligent or not. But then again, Dutch doesnt have much non-native speakers, and because English is widely used by both native and non-native speakers, it might be different for them.
2021-09-15 15:09
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Our conversation goes towards cultural issues. People who are far from your culture will look less intelligent to you. Imagine a shepherd in central anatolia and Imagine you are a businessman from the Netherlands shepherd dont need to show his intelligent so he talks very simple and less intelligent as you say on the other hand you are a businessman and you need to show your intelligent to everybody around you. It doesn't mean shepherd is less intelligent.
2021-09-15 15:32
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that's a fair point actually! i never thought about it that way. But then again, the shepherd might also have had less opportunities to learn "proper" English, which also should be taken into consideration
2021-09-15 15:33
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Lets say shepherd and businessman in the same level at english, shepherd will look still less intelligent to you. Because he doesn't try to impress you.
2021-09-15 15:37
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I guess thats a fair point as well :D I think it will become even more complicated if we compare a British shepherd with a very smart scientist from, lets say Norway. The scientist might be worse at English, yet use more complcated sentences and words.
2021-09-15 15:39
Yeah I do for other native speakers but not for nonnative speakers
2021-09-15 15:15
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i guess this is the most common approach and it kinda makes sense honestly, althrough i dont really relate as there's not much non-native Dutch speakers
2021-09-15 15:16
Bilingual And as #15 said. If english ain't your main language there can be lots of reasons why you don't know how to speak properly english.
2021-09-15 15:21
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Yeah, obviously there can be a lot of reasons why someone might not speak English properly.
2021-09-15 15:48
#42
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Turkey ShooGTr
languages, in general, can not be associated with intelligence but I believe that they surely judge.
2021-09-15 15:23
my english is better than some of the smarter people i know and im a complete retard, so i don't judge
2021-09-15 15:24
English is easy to learn. SoI say: When you are able to speak only English, you can be considered as a less smart person. Because to learn more than one language requires using your brain
2021-09-15 15:28
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I think a misconception you have here is that English and German are fairly similar. Both connected to Germanic languages and they use the same alphabet. For a Russian, Italian or Chinese native speaker, it will be harder to learn the languages.
2021-09-15 15:35
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German is far more complex than English. So ask a native English speaker how easy it is to learn german. German grammar is far more closely to french.
2021-09-15 15:51
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it's not even about that neccesarily. It's just that it is way easier to learn a langauage if it's closer to your native language. And English is for sure closer to German than it is to Italian or Chinese
2021-09-15 15:54
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It is easier to speak yes but not easier to learn. Except for English because it is like APE german
2021-09-15 15:55
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do u think so? I always feel like German was harder to learn than English, but for sure way easier than for example Italian, etc
2021-09-15 15:56
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I think speaking English or understanding it is easier than most other languages on this planet. So when you are a native English speaker you literally learned the basics of communication. Like 1+1=2 Not 1/2^4 /1,23453*38/2
2021-09-15 16:00
As Bilingual English and Czech speaker it's way harder for me to learn german than russian tbh. The only reason I'm not speaking properly russian is because I'm lazy a$$ and don't want to learn new alphabet.
2021-09-15 16:01
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I only had to learn French in School besides English. The theory of the language was good to understand. But I couldn't speak any word ` or ´ fucked me up. I know from German-Russian friends that they think German and Russian are equally hard to learn. If you ignore the Alphabet (cuz there it matters what learned you first)
2021-09-15 16:05
From the time I spent in USA, a lot of native english speakers can barely speak their own language, let alone any other language. If you can speak English semi-fluently in addition to your own language, you're already better than 90% of native English speakers
2021-09-15 15:28
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i mean, i dont think you can "blame" a native English speaker for only speaking 1 or 2 languages. An American doesnt have to speak other lanuages, because in his country English is the language used, and when abroad he doesnt need to, either.
2021-09-15 15:37
Dont feel bad, even a lot of Americans cant speak their own language properly ;((
2021-09-15 15:51
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I dont feel bad because i might not speak perfect English, but basically everyone can understand me. But i am very curious how native English speakers see this
2021-09-15 15:55
I know that I shouldn't, but I'm subconsciously judging you if you speak broken English. It's not something that I WANT to do, I just do it.
2021-09-15 15:54
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So when someone speaks English at a very low level with loads of mistakes, do u see them as less intelligent?
2021-09-15 15:57
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I guess not. The issue is if the other person has the same bad fluency in their own language. THEN I'll think you're stupid.
2021-09-15 16:00
#79
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United Kingdom itzgeez
I don't mind when people make mistakes, I can usually still understand them.
2021-09-15 15:58
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yeah obviously you can, but do u view them as less intelligent?
2021-09-15 15:59
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#87
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United Kingdom itzgeez
no, I understand that english is a hard langauge for people to learn if it's not their native language. as someone who also learns other languages, I understand how hard it can be to get everything right if you are not speaking your mother tounge. I don't think it has to do with intelligence, because how well the person can explain things in their own language is probably a better indicator of intelligence.
2021-09-15 16:06
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good opinion, i agree. I kinda do the same with my own native language, especially because Dutch is a very hard language as well as not as commonly spoken as English.
2021-09-15 16:08
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#93
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United Kingdom itzgeez
I have tried learning a bit of your language, but the pronunciation seems really difficult lol. I can't get your "g" or "ch" sounds exactly right but I can sort of understand how they are formed in the mouth.
2021-09-15 16:15
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makes sense, the rolling r is something people struggle with as well.
2021-09-15 16:17
and what about native speakers who make stupid mistakes like your/you're? do u see those as less intelligent?
2021-09-15 16:00
#84
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Europe Joebama
you kinda think native speakers sound more intelligent when you don't live in an English speaking society but trust me, you're quickly going to realise they are just as dumb as any other mf if you were to immigrate.
2021-09-15 16:02
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#90
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United States Rayduh
everyone is just as dumb, there's no distinction
2021-09-15 16:12
#89
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United States Rayduh
If English is your first language, we definitely judge you by your grammar and spelling
2021-09-15 16:11
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#125
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United Kingdom Isquashua
That's dumb because stupid people exist in native speaking countries too
2021-09-15 17:34
Lack of skills in a foreign language can´t be associated with lack of intelligence. But being articulated/eloquent in any language can, at least to some extent. In this Forum, with big age gaps, language is also related to age/maturity. ... I had to look up "eloquent" to write this :o)
2021-09-15 16:14
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oh u had to look that up, u must be fucking stupid then xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD /s btw
2021-09-15 16:18
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Life is hard and then you die :o)
2021-09-15 18:15
I would rather say that you're retarded if you base intelligence of someone's English skills
2021-09-15 16:15
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i feel like people only do that by their english skills if theyre a native english skills
2021-09-15 16:16
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Yeah sure if your native tongue is English and your English skills are rubbish, then sure I can understand a certain amount of judgement. But to say that this guy from country "xyz" must be stupid becuase of his lacking English skills. That to me would be pretty retarded.
2021-09-15 16:21
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yeah, just like it's completely acceptable for Swedes to judge you (assumign you're not fakeflagging)
2021-09-15 16:22
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Completely agree! I know there's alot of fake flaggs here but I'm actually a real Swede believe it or not :D
2021-09-15 16:29
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Nt fakeflagger
2021-09-15 16:30
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I'll challenge you to a snus tävling to defend my pride as a swede
2021-09-15 16:47
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Id prefer a surstromming eating competition
2021-09-15 16:50
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Surströmming is actually quite good when you have it on tunnbröd with som potatoes, sour cream and red onion and of course alot of snaps
2021-09-15 16:51
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I dont think i would be capable of eating it tbf what was that swedish pizza with fries and burgers on it called?
2021-09-15 16:53
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After a couple shots of snaps you will be loving surströmming ;) Hmm I think you're thinking of skrovmål (edit, the name was calskrove) that some pizzeria up in Skellefteå if I remember correctly had put together as a special pizza. Not really common thing on the menus here in Stockholm tho :/
2021-09-15 16:57
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Well it looked like diabetes on a plate for sure Normally you guys put banana on a Swedish pizza, right?
2021-09-15 16:57
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Yeah banana curry pizza is really common, as well as hawaii where you have pineapple and ham on, i'm not really a fan of either, I prefer a capricciosa
2021-09-15 16:58
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Good. Good. What kinda psychos actually order that though?
2021-09-15 17:02
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Just like you said, people who are socio/psychopaths :D Or just really drunk swedes, then anything goes
2021-09-15 17:07
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So its likr hangover food or?
2021-09-15 17:08
because obviously its pretty fair to judge ppl by their native english skills
2021-09-15 16:16
Not when I'm speaking to someone who is speaking it as their 2nd or 3rd language. But if its your native language then yeah
2021-09-15 16:49
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Peru TheJuan
Clearly it isnt associated with intelligence since you asked for native speakers only and a bunch of non native speakers answered
2021-09-15 16:53
literally couldn't care less how good someone's english is
2021-09-15 16:58
nope
2021-09-15 17:02
#123
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United States fart_lmao
"A fool tries to make himself sound more intelligent by using bigger words. A wise man speaks in a way that those around him can comprehend" - fart_lmao
2021-09-15 17:17
it depends on if you tell me that you've just started to learn or if you tell me that youve been living in the US for 20 years and still sound like an orangutan
2021-09-15 19:43
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