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Fake Plant Abuse??
Canada thechosen11 
To be honest I don't understand why pros do fake plant so often. Like even in eco round when the purpose is just to plan, many pros still fake plant then peek and die like idiots. I barely saw any CT swing just to prevent the bomb plant as most of them always prefer to play post plant when they have men advantage (2v1, 3v1, etc.). Also even if you fake plant you can probably get 1 more kill and still lose the round after. So why not taking the low risk to actual plant and get $? Do you guys think pros abuse fake plant too much??
2021-09-19 00:33
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Yes they miss opportunities to plant and get more money
2021-09-19 00:34
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so why they do that so often? Like once you realize its kinda useless why not just try to plant and play for next round..
2021-09-19 00:35
13 replies
Ofc in some situations it’s fine but in a 1v4 when you have a pistol I don’t see the point in it
2021-09-19 00:41
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Brazil STREEEEEET
I've noticed that too and i think it's because some pros prefer risk losing some money for the entire team than looking like a noob dying while planting. Zywoo is the expcetion here. He almost always do the logical thing.
2021-09-19 00:46
11 replies
Yea man. I would prefer to look like a noob 5% of the time and 95% of the time brings $ for team next round than to delusionally attempts a 1v3 with a tec 9 LOL.
2021-09-19 00:58
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Brazil STREEEEEET
Fame, money, fans .. that inflates your ego. I believe you would do as you told, but would you do as you told if you were a pro player? I've seen people giving up the round on a 1x1 for faking a plant and then running out of time to actually plant.
2021-09-19 01:35
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Well, that's really a risk, and not necessarily a bad thing. That's trying to outsmart your opponent, and sometimes it just doesn't work out. Sometimes the CTs straight up rush towards you to deny the plant rather than play the 1v1 afterplant, and seeing as the clock is running low, the only real option is to plant. Also the CTs have FULL knowledge of your position, so the duel is 50/50, whereas if you let him get a decent afterplant position by waiting, your odds of winning will most likely become worse. So faking it at that point could be a smart move, if you, obviously, don't do it often and make a habit out of it.
2021-09-19 01:53
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Brazil STREEEEEET
High risk, low reward situation. You risk losing the round in 2 ways. You can't kill or the guy plays afterplant. Your reward is winning the round which you can win by faking or planting. I understand 1v1 faking it if you have time to plant and even then there's a risk of not planting it right away. People often do not consider that there is a risk involved in faking it.
2021-09-19 02:10
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There's also a risk in planting the bomb if the CT pushes. You can always be clever after the round is over ;)
2021-09-19 12:37
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Brazil STREEEEEET
Yes. But he can push anytime. You can fake it twice thinking he is nearby and that just give him time to get close coming from another bomb site, then you go for the plant and he push's you. You never know, it's a gamble and one i can understand if you have time to plant after faking it., otherwise it's just dumb.
2021-09-19 17:10
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But if it works, you don't call them dumb, you call them 200 IQ players... You really are one of those guys lol. You make it sound like this happens on a daily basis, and it really doesn't happen that often. When they go for it, it's a risk they take to get a 1v1 duel where they're surprising the CT out of position. No one is doing this if it's a 1v2 or 1v3 and there's no time to plant unless you stick it. The pros are not retards, lol.
2021-09-19 18:25
I won 1v1 clutch at 14-13 fakeplanting at 5 seconds my teammates were yelling at me when I stopped planting tho xd
2021-09-19 12:43
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Brazil STREEEEEET
Now you'd look pretty dumb if CT was on the other bomb site. Your win conditions were: 1. CT is nearby 2. CT decide to push you instead to play afterplant 3. You win the duel Anything different and you'd lose. All 3 had to happen.
2021-09-19 17:20
Well in eco scenarios, I agree. In gun rounds, 1vX or even 3v3 or whatever, they do it to see if the enemies is going to do a mistake (sound queue for info, overextension etc.) Obviously I don't need to say why they do it in clutch situations, I think that speaks for itself... (trying to find 1v1 duels in case you are completely lost:D) You could be trying to break the CTs economy if they're already dealing with bad economy, another death as CT can mean a lot, really.
2021-09-19 01:35
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Even in gun rounds, I barely see any pro actually swing when they hear the bomb plant (with men advantage). They usually just wait for backup to retake because a 2v1 retake gives a much better possibility to win the round than do a gamble 50-50 swing. So this mindset (and usually the reality) makes the fake plant useless in a 1vX situation. And playing post plan give so much advantage compare to just faking and try to take the duel..
2021-09-19 03:24
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Russia Trueteller
they are worse than smoke defuser abusers tbh
2021-09-19 00:34
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Brazil Bactuga
Lol i do that in every pug game, i have won probably over 20 rounds by just smoking and defusing in like 2v1 situations, the strat is just to try to go as far away from the bomb and defuse it
2021-09-19 00:35
5 replies
how do u know u are far from the bomb when u can't see it??
2021-09-19 00:37
3 replies
start defuse before smoke pops?
2021-09-19 00:39
1 reply
CT can see/hear u then spam into smoke and u will die right away..
2021-09-19 00:57
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Brazil Bactuga
You should have an idea where the bomb is and how far away it is from you after smoking it, just have E Pressed and you will defuse from the ''furthest'' distance possible
2021-09-19 00:40
rank?
2021-09-19 12:44
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Namibia KhT
imagine abusing bomb planting just kill all cts
2021-09-19 00:35
5 replies
some rounds are just impossible to win and if a player is smart he should try to get as much economy for his team and damage enemy's eco as well..
2021-09-19 00:36
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Canada firtlast
or just be a chad and win an unwinnable round
2021-09-19 00:46
+1
2021-09-19 00:37
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Canada JC_123
+1 why even play defuse game mode
2021-09-19 00:48
+1
2021-09-19 19:32
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Brazil Bactuga
I Agree, i usually never fake plant, unless i have the man advantage and the time, so i fake plant to see if theres a guy behind a corner like on B Mirage, btw everytime you fake plant, you give more time for the CT's to rotate and the chances of them just peeking you are higher
2021-09-19 00:37
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Yea I don't understand pros mindset. Like in that pistol round (2nd half D2 vs Astralis) when Misutaaa went from catwalk to A site, the site was full clear so just either A long or CT. He has so much time and space to plant with literally no risk (plant behind box) and then play a 1v2 post plant. Even if he loses, still good round because bomb plant so they can force with full nades next round. But instead he just fake planted like an idiot and peeked A long then die. This led to Vitality had to eco next 2 rounds. wtf???
2021-09-19 00:47
imagine saying "abuse" seriously if something works, it works if there's a reason to do it, then you'll do it
2021-09-19 00:37
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the problem is I barely see it working because no CT (especially in pro scene) actually believe the player do an actual plant in a 1vX situation so they just wait and play post plant. But for the T, after the fake plant he usually repeeks to die or do an actual plant when CTs are already so close.. Just waste his time and lower his chance to clutch.
2021-09-19 00:40
In some situations yes, but you never know if you're gonna get swung so fakeplanting might give you the chance for a kill, and if the ct's don't swing then you lose about 4 seconds in which the ct's have more time for a rotate, It's a tradeoff and gamble, they're just using their gamesense to weigh up the probabilities and since they are human, sometimes they're wrong. (and even if they'd play the probabilities right it can backfire cuz probabilities are bitches)
2021-09-19 00:37
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Bruh I've watched pro matches past 2 weeks and almost 90% of the fake plant rounds ended up in a loss. The thing about pro players is that they always overthink thats why CT retake in a 2v1 they never swing a plant but instead will hold angles and push in together to trade kills. Because they are scared if u swing and the guy fake plants 1 CT may die and brings it to a 50-50 1v1 situation.
2021-09-19 00:42
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I think with pros it's like a little pocket meta. If more people fakeplant, then more ct's will wait for backup. If more people stick the plant, more ct's will swing out and attempt to stop it. Wether or not that meta is changing over time we have no data over but would potentially be an interesting thing to observe. Generally I see a lot of simple avoidable mistakes from pros and faking too often might be one of them, idk.
2021-09-19 00:45
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That could be part of the reason. But idk if they notice the CT frequency to swing is very low then they should always do actual plant and taking a very minimal risk instead of faking, giving CT more time to rotate and approach. Faking can also make the T feel more anxious because the danger of the 2nd plant is much higher.
2021-09-19 00:51
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France HippzZ
The meta about fake plant and fake defuse is a bit different in pro matches, I guess if people doesn't fake plant that much is because people fall for it less + the teams have systems and are structured, they will more often choose to get the plant money than taking a risky round winning clutch
2021-09-19 00:40
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But the problem is I see fake plant abuse in literally every team, so it must be the general mindset of pros to overthink instead of just taking the small risk but high reward. When they fake plant they take a huge risk with very little reward (chance of clutching in eco rounds extremely low).
2021-09-19 00:44
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Canada firtlast
better for a small chance to win a round then to get your team a little more money. plenty of half buy rounds with 2 deagles no armor are winning rounds they have no business winning.
2021-09-19 00:47
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If you talking about stats then I'm sure the round with eco and exyta nades (because of bomb plant) gives u a much higher percentage of winning than eco with no nades. That would be a much better trade off than counting on winning a clutch 1vX. 5% you will look like a god but 95% you will make your team suffer the next few rounds.
2021-09-19 00:54
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Canada firtlast
it’s all about that 5% when you’re on a tier 3 team so you can pull some nutty shit and some org with bad management can sign a pro off their selective recent memory ez
2021-09-19 01:11
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Lol. but most of the fake plants I recently were all tier 1 CS which made it even more stupid...
2021-09-19 01:25
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France HippzZ
I think that even pros are not very rational about it and are afraid too appear as fools, the same thing in football during penalty kicks when few players will choose to shoot in the top center (whereas it is the most efficient choice) because they are affraid to appear as a 0 iq if the goalkeeper do not dive
2021-09-19 00:50
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+1. I think pros many times outplay themselves just because they overthink the situation. Even on eco rounds when the best result is to plant the bomb some pros still abuse faking to get that extra kill and try to make it a clutch 1v1 situation. Most of the times it fails and the team has to eco next 2 rounds, so stupid..
2021-09-19 00:55
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#30
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France HippzZ
True..
2021-09-19 00:57
What you just said is articulate, it is intelligent and it is logical.
2021-09-19 01:46
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Can you please explain how is that intelligent and logical? If something intelligent and logical it won't result in such a high failure rate. I rather be dumb & wrong if it means I can bring more to the team.
2021-09-19 03:20
they dont know where the enemy is, u see it with xray
2021-09-19 12:40
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lmao of course they don't. But theres no point in faking in 1vX situation on eco rounds when your goal is just to plant the bomb. Just take the small risk and get a huge return instead of trying to do a useless fake.
2021-09-19 17:04
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yeah obviously when eco u should stick it but wasnt the only point on your post
2021-09-19 17:24
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Even when you are on gun rounds as well. Fake depends but situation is fine but I see pro fake 24/7. In pro matches usually CT retake would play safe and wait for backup to retake together instead of just wide swing when they hear the plant. That only happens in gold nova games. Its so dumb when they fake plant and hold an angle for 5s. They literally give the CT an extra 10s to rotate and approach you which makes the 1vX clutch even harder than what it is.
2021-09-19 19:31
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United Kingdom Aqishimaaa
well it depends on situation
2021-09-19 12:44
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Yes it does. But because pros almost do it every single time and lots of them ended up really useless thats why I said they abuse it too much.
2021-09-19 17:03
I agree. Like bro, you aren't going to win a 1v4 on low hp, just take the plant money....
2021-09-19 17:23
+1 it's so hard to watch too, especially when it's a team you like I've never seen it work out in favor of the planter
2021-09-19 17:26
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exactly my point. it could work in a typical gold nova games but not in pro matches. Pros are not that dumb to run into site after hearing a plant so by faking they just waste their time and makes the clutch harder for no reason..
2021-09-19 19:33
you mean like this? kekw youtube.com/watch?v=QFnyWa81sqM
2021-09-19 17:28
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KEKW. yea sometimes fake don't even work in lower level matches xD
2021-09-19 19:35
Maybe you are right but it's very difficult to know how your enemy will react and if they dont even know where the enemy is, the chance for a fake-plant get higher, I think.
2021-09-19 17:31
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But do you really think pro would wide swing when they hear a plant or they just wait for backup to play safe retake 1vX? this ain't gold nova level...
2021-09-19 19:32
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I think pros try to be unpredictable by trying to play differently every time. I think that's why we see less ''big'' strategies/executes, because teams watch eachothers games and learn eachothers strategies. Everyone has to try and come up with something new all the time.
2021-09-19 19:59
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Yes but in official matches usually they will try to play safe to win the round (other than Liquid who can throw at any time). There's no point trying to be unpredictable when you have men advantage imo...
2021-09-20 06:59
I mean it works. Just ask Grim.
2021-09-19 17:37
3 replies
In 5v1 vs Refrezh he didn't swing even when the time was so low xD
2021-09-19 19:36
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Who won
2021-09-19 20:22
nice bio mens))
2021-09-19 20:01
haha nt pros never fake
2021-09-19 20:02
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nt
2021-09-19 20:02
1 reply
+1
2021-09-19 20:11
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United States Cheerios
its to bait players in thinking they are planting but they are actually holding angles. you guys whine about everything you don't understand because you aren't a pro player who knows(and can pull it off) stuff like this.
2021-09-19 20:36
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