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Lithuania Sedge 
how would you improve it? I think that from the age of 16 you should be put to work for 1 year, get full pay and everything... get some appreciation for education and also I think you should be stripped of the liberty to choose what you go to college for/higher education- everyone who finishes school, should be instantly taught a trade, after that... you can start doing things like art and music and whatever. just two things that would make society better imo
2021-09-24 18:27
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I feel like if people who choose artistic degrees aren't going to pursue other degrees. They're more often than not not interested in academic learning or learning a trade, but rather pursuing a thing that actually motivates them. Forcing them to learn a trade wont do much
2021-09-24 18:30
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+1 even though art school is mostly useless and a lot of creative jobs are very hard to get, it's better to pursue it, otherwise why live unhappily
2021-09-24 18:35
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#20
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Lithuania Sedge
The thing is man, in education you are already 'forced' more or less to learn things and to do things that you don't want to... so why not just take it one step further, and at the end actually have something that will assure you always have decent income. As opposed to leaving a potentially lost teenager to make a huge decision based on zero life experience. You already waste what? over 10 years in education, so whats those 3-4 gonna do...
2021-09-24 18:44
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that's the point of higher education tho, the higher you go the more specific and tailored for you it gets (and the more choice over it you have). School and high school might force you to learn the basics of everything but when you do a Bachelor's degree you can choose way more specificly what you want, and Master's degree is even more specific etc.
2021-09-24 23:58
This isn't entirely true (read: guy with artistic background), but forcing people into learning a trade is silly, especially if they can't decide which one. Not everyone is cut out for certain trades.
2021-09-24 18:34
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True, I'm simplifying the idea as there of course are people in the art world who could find learning a trade interesting, but forcing them to it is definitely not it
2021-09-24 18:38
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+1 completely agreed
2021-09-24 19:28
#21
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Lithuania Sedge
We're always forced to do something bro, atleast this has mutual benefit for everyone and if people can't decide or are seriously unwilling, then simply give them a bricklaying course. High demand, pays well... and it's never going to 'run out of fashion' so to say.
2021-09-24 18:48
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Why tf would you even open this garbage thread if you can't tolerate other opinions from different people xD. And no, you are not forced to do something; Every single time you are making a choice b4 "doing something"
2021-09-24 19:04
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#29
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Lithuania Sedge
I opened the thread to have a debate, not to agree with every opinion that pops up? and to me it seems you have a bigger problem tolerating opinions lmao and yeah, you are indirectly forced... you simply 'choose' to do it because the alternative is worse.
2021-09-24 19:06
I've never been forced to do anything occupationally. But also the trade labor force is already pretty well stocked, at least here. Further, people may not understand the significance of something creative, but it's a large part of our society. A friend's father-in-law is a cattle farmer here. He's 3rd or 4th generation. I expected him to scoff at my job. Instead he told me, "without art we wouldn't know a lot of things about our history, and I think that's important no matter how you look at it." There's more to life than the job you work. If you're unhappy in what you do, what's the point? Not everyone wants to do art, and not everyone wants to do trade labor.
2021-09-24 19:45
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Lithuania Sedge
sorry , when I said 'higher' education I was more so referring to college equivalents - not so much uni because you can learn a trade in 2-4 years without UNI, and by that age you're like 20-22. Its far easier to be practical earlier rather than later... because yes, you can pursue what motivates you.. but if it goes downhill, which it does a-lot with creative 'academics' it's much harder to then say... okay, this didn't work- ill go learn a trade now... as opposed to learning a trade first, having something to fall-back on and then not only having the finances to accommodate your creative side but also the peace of mind to do so, because ultimately whichever way you look at it, creative education is always a gamble. incredibly oversaturated industry with someone ALWAYS better than you, freelancing is a deathsentence also.
2021-09-24 18:39
no
2021-09-24 18:31
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#22
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Lithuania Sedge
thanks for your insight.
2021-09-24 18:48
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FalleN | 
Brazil qrii
i would delete sociology and philosophy and add psychology which have actual use
2021-09-24 18:35
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#17
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Lithuania Sedge
well, I'll tell you this lol if you don't teach sociology... they'll be a higher demand for psychologists
2021-09-24 18:42
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#18
FalleN | 
Brazil qrii
nt sociology teacher
2021-09-24 18:42
#23
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Greece sifounasGG
all three of them are importnant
2021-09-24 18:50
You had sociology at school?
2021-09-24 19:35
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#53
FalleN | 
Brazil qrii
yeah. it's obligatory in high school here.
2021-09-24 23:07
there is a problem with psychology because when u teach it wrong it could be more harmwul than good, which cant happent with other subjects
2021-09-24 19:57
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Ireland Sodaking
i think really when you get to 15 there should be more teaching for critical life skills in America they have Drivers Ed which is basically a class to learn how to drive which being honest is far more useful then Algebra to most people ..... but apart from that more focus should be on real life skills and less reading and reciting shit from a book
2021-09-24 18:36
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#25
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Lithuania Sedge
In generally, my perspective on education is this: it's never really about learning, it's simply a filter in society that distinguishes between people who can and cannot follow instructions. Trying to get life skills taught from a system like that seems like a far stretch
2021-09-24 18:51
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I strongly agree with this. As much as I think it would be good to have classes in life skills, you'd still have the same kids messing about and not caring.
2021-09-24 20:11
How old are you?
2021-09-24 18:36
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#13
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Lithuania Sedge
take a guess
2021-09-24 18:39
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15-16
2021-09-24 18:40
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#16
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Lithuania Sedge
14, nt though
2021-09-24 18:40
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mens) you shouldn't be on the hltv forums
2021-09-24 19:53
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#47
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Lithuania Sedge
oi
2021-09-24 20:00
agreed
2021-09-24 18:37
i think when you graduate middle school the country should make companies integrate into universities so when its time a person to go to an university-he should apply for a job he want to do in that corporation-then that corporation make a date for an exam where if they pass it the corporation imediately start teaching him only the thing he will do for that job-no more excessive bs-just what he will be doing.After the company is assured that the student is being taught for that job-it certifies him for that concrete job! Then sign a job contract and start working. Its that ez!
2021-09-24 18:40
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Literally Cyberpunk corpos.
2021-09-24 23:17
1. Math should be teached right. People should learn how formular xyz works. + more freedom for people who like mathematics 2. first one but for other subjects 3. People choosing a science based profile should get more support. I feel like especially scientific subjects are more and more ignored in comparison to 0/8 like subjects 4. Homework should be voluntarily. Homework isn't useful when you don't understand the topic (especially in scientific subjects). It's more useful in other subjects. I would appreciate a rework like making check lists about what has been teached. 5. There is so much but I don't want to cover everything.
2021-09-24 18:50
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#30
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Brazil find_Elvis
these are really good ideas
2021-09-24 19:14
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thx
2021-09-24 19:15
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#32
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Lithuania Sedge
I ALSO agree
2021-09-24 19:18
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thx
2021-09-24 19:47
In the US the value is put almost exclusively on Math and Science in our elementary school systems. Obviously we learn other things, but they make up the bulk of what you'd use going into higher education. They don't really need more support: they already have the best you can get.
2021-09-24 19:51
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I think it varies a lot, especially in the US But here in germany it feels like people with interest in math don't have enough freedom.
2021-09-24 20:04
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Oh ofcourse. I realize my statement sounds like I'm dismissing your suggestions, which I'm not. They just aren't as applicable here, was mostly my point.
2021-09-24 20:07
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Fine mens)
2021-09-24 20:11
Should be optional, I know plenty of people who just started working, by the end of school it was just a detriment to them.
2021-09-24 18:50
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#26
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Lithuania Sedge
well surely they would have benefited from experiencing work from a younger age? or atleast gained some appreciation for education so that they wouldn't have to work some shitty job, or have the finances to pursue hobbies and interests?
2021-09-24 18:52
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By the end of school I think most people knwo what they are gonna do with their lives . Some dudes are just content to work some gigs or inherit a business or farm, they don't give a shit about uni, if you dont give a shit about uni then 10th grade and above is just a waste of time
2021-09-24 18:55
Sounds like you need more education
2021-09-24 19:32
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+1 something went wrong
2021-09-24 19:34
#44
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Lithuania Sedge
elaborate
2021-09-24 19:55
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#60
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Sweden Sullijam
liberty is needed. in sweden you can choose what you really want to study right after grade school + its free. Society becomes more equal and yes there are jobs which are more wanted than others but we still live on as a decent country
2021-09-24 23:20
#37
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Brazil NotJuan
Mandatory csgo course
2021-09-24 19:36
#38
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Brazil pilastra
flashbang classes would be nice
2021-09-24 19:39
Students should be taught the skill of arguing and debating. If you formulate an opinion you have to actually back it up with arguments. Plus, people dont listen to their opponents. It's actually rare when you enter a debate and in the end you change your mind or are conviced that you were wrong. Basically people stick to their opinions no matter if the opposite side proposed the arguments which invalid your claim. Thats the problem these days. People just try to WIN the discussion instead of finding the clue, the real truth.
2021-09-24 19:55
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#45
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Lithuania Sedge
yeah as far as I'm aware, though I'm sure it's not the case... America is one of the only ones that teach logical fallacies and debating. I never once heard it during my education and yeah, it always usually is an ego war on one side or the other.
2021-09-24 19:57
I had to take a class like this in High School. Had the best teacher and it was probably one of the best classes I have ever taken.
2021-09-24 23:20
High education should no longer be accessible to everyone. And school education should be made applied, children should be taught only the subjects necessary for life. Period.
2021-09-24 20:07
I have heard "multi-cultural spaces" work wonders in Arizona! twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/14412023..
2021-09-24 23:08
also I think you should be stripped of the liberty to choose what you go to college for ???? elaborate pls
2021-09-24 23:11
Teach 'em to live under capitalism, fundaments of law, and History, the rest should be focused on the abilities to read, research, write and communicate.
2021-09-24 23:15
#57
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Russia goodjob
what does put to work mean? you gonna force businesses to hire 16 year olds and pay them full salary? lmfao get outta here
2021-09-24 23:17
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#63
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Finland Ghrale
Could be partially subsidized by the government. Would businesses hire 16 year olds for 50% off? Probably. This might work in Finland, we have a bad case of labor shortage in low income jobs We just have very strict labor laws for underage people, they can just work 6 hour days among other things
2021-09-25 00:04
Remove it and go back to the Stone Age instead
2021-09-24 23:21
its a thing rn in politics but no student debt again!
2021-09-25 00:05
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