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Top 20 2021 so far
smooya | 
Finland suklaamies699 
IMO (and according to the stats): 1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. sh1ro 4. Ax1Le 5. Hobbit 6. Niko 7. ropz 8. Jame 9. blameF 10. KSCERATO 11. ELiGE 12. frozen 13. YEKINDAR 14. Twistzz 15. device 16. electronic 17. NAF 18. mir 19. mantuu 20. cadiaN What do you think mens?
2021-09-26 13:00
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#1
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Great list! However, I think that ropz, frozen and mir are too high, cadian and mantuu are too low Some players I am missing as well: Heroic players, broky? Also, sh1ro > zywoo in 2021
2021-09-26 13:05
68 replies
Yeah, i would also put cadiaN higher, and maybe refrezh.
2021-09-26 13:12
6 replies
#110
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United States burzeus
push refrezh in because he did 1 clutch that everyone saw recently? no way not even top 50
2021-09-26 14:11
3 replies
smart boi
2021-09-26 14:51
2 replies
Imagine a list with JAME HAHAHAHAAHAH People from Hltv are funny
2021-09-26 20:37
1 reply
people from Uruguay seem to be even more funny
2021-09-26 20:43
pretty sure he had 1 good tournament this whole year
2021-09-26 14:52
1 reply
All his tournament perfomances have been good this year mens :)) hltv.org/stats/players/events/7964/cadia..
2021-09-27 10:14
#22
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Denmark pebblez
sh1ro > ZywOo? lmao, sh1ro isn't even 2nd best in his team, Ax1Le & Hobbit > sh1ro.
2021-09-26 13:13
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#35
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
then ax1le > zywoo, or hobbit > zywoo, I don't really care, all 3 of them are insane.
2021-09-26 13:18
6 replies
#56
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Denmark pebblez
ZywOo > Hobbit > Ax1Le > sh1ro.
2021-09-26 13:26
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#62
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Sh1ro > ZywOo > Hobbit > Ax1le For the HLTV ranking
2021-09-26 13:31
4 replies
#69
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Denmark pebblez
thats not going to happen, stop.
2021-09-26 13:35
NiKo > Hobbit > Ax1le > Sh1ro So NiKo top 1 in the world? xddddd
2021-09-26 14:46
2 replies
saffee > NiKo > Hobbit > Ax1le > Sh1ro
2021-09-27 05:04
1 reply
Of course men)))
2021-09-28 07:46
Also, sh1ro > zywoo in 2021 no, just no...
2021-09-26 13:14
25 replies
#37
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Yeah definitely. HLTV Top 20 doesn't care just about rating, but they care about achievements a LOT. What have Vitality won, and what have Gambit won?
2021-09-26 13:18
24 replies
you clearly dont know how hltv ranking works nowadays. it isnt achievment based as it used to be. look at s1mple in 2019. navi reached literally 1 grand final, they were 8th best team of the year and guess what? he was second bcs his insane stats... and difference in stats between zywoo and sh1ro is actually bigger than it was between s1mple and device in 2019. zywoo is without a doubt better player than sh1ro this year and he will be ranked higher. you will see yourself
2021-09-26 13:20
16 replies
#52
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Literally on the HLTV Card: MVP Awards EVP Awards Notable Team Achievements Personal Stats Notable Stats Why was ZywOo the best player of 2020? ZywOo edged out s1mple in one of the closest races for the No.1 spot in the history of the HLTV Top 20 thanks to being a more impactful player in the most competitive tournaments and in the biggest matches. He ranked second for rating (1.29), damage per round (85.8) and kills per round (0.81), while his 74.8% KAST was the third-highest overall. He was slightly ahead of the pack in terms of Impact rating (1.38), in part because of his ability to get multi-kills (21.3% of his rounds, the second-best), and also due to the high number of opening kills (0.15 per round, fourth-highest) and clutches (88 1vsX situations won, the highest). Any of the 3 insane Gambit players have amazing placements, awards and stats. There is no way ZywOo becomes second, given both teams keep playing the same.
2021-09-26 13:23
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and where exactly do you see there that he was above him bcs of achievments? they said that: "thanks to being a more impactful player" that means that he had bigger impact rating and not bcs he had more achievments btw navi was ranked before vitality last year so your whole comment(argument) doesnt make any sense what so ever hltv.org/news/30896/top-10-teams-of-2020 yes zywoo will be second. like i said you will see yourself
2021-09-26 13:26
Idk imo if ZywOo will play like he is playing right now and vitality will be in more finals he will be higher. Gambit right now are great but not as great as at the beginning of the year and ZywOo is putting numbers as s1mple right now (I mean EPL and now Blast not before) At the same time I dont think all 3 of gambit players will be in top5
2021-09-26 13:29
Incorrect. s1mple won starseries in 2019 and the mvp for it too. At least zywoo would need 1 mvp from the remaining 4 t1 events of the year
2021-09-26 13:56
12 replies
where i was incorrect? i said that they reached 1 grand final which they did. i didnt say that they lost... and yea he got mvp but it was more or less their only big achievment that year, they were barely ranked as top10 team of the year and yet s1mple was second bcs of his numbers. same will happen this year
2021-09-26 13:57
11 replies
Your comaprison was incorrect. s1mple had an mvp in 2019 and zywoo hasn't got any in 2021, so far. It can very well be zywoo or sh1ro at #2 (altho sh1ro is more likely atm). No one can predict. Zywoo would need at least 1 mvp to lock his #2
2021-09-26 14:04
10 replies
its surely zywoo for now and its not even close if we would compare their performance...he doesnt need mvp as long as he will have few evps(which he already has) and difference in stats as big as it is now
2021-09-26 14:08
9 replies
''a few'' evps? When i say few i mean more than 2, what about you? also, vitality was literally gone out of the planet the first 6 months of the year.
2021-09-28 08:05
8 replies
he has like 3 evps so far which is more than 2 right...? and navi in 2019 was barely top10 team from whole year yet s1mple was second...so i dont see a problem here
2021-09-28 08:13
7 replies
You've already had this discussion with someone else, no need for me to go through that wiht you when you pretty much know the answers already :P
2021-09-28 08:14
6 replies
yea and i was able to counter like every single argument(just like i did with yours) except one which is maps played. this is honestly the only thing that can hold zywoo back a bit in hltv ranking but thats it
2021-09-28 08:16
5 replies
In what way did you counter ''my every single argument'' when i didnt even argue? vitality being gone for 6 months is not an opinion or an arguments, its an fact, I just wrote it out as an factor that'll make it harder for him to get #2. Get off your horse mate, stop being so entitled, I'm not argueing with you, cus you're not worth my time.
2021-09-28 08:21
I do remember though, you used to be a very nice user, usually pretty smart and didnt really argue that much, I hope whatever you're going through will get better.
2021-09-28 08:22
3 replies
"''a few'' evps? When i say few i mean more than 2, what about you?" he has 3. so i countered easily this sarcastic one "vitality was literally gone out of the planet the first 6 months of the year" yea its a fact but i countered it in a sense how much this will impact hltv top20(not heavily) and im completely fine buddy and im still the same person. i always argued a lot here and with normal users always in non toxic way(just like i aruge with you right now)
2021-09-28 08:24
2 replies
''"''a few'' evps? When i say few i mean more than 2, what about you?" he has 3. so i countered easily this sarcastic one'' I'm sorry but i think we need to discuss what ''an argument'' is, cus it was a simple question, I didnt make a point what so ever, nor did i try to force a point, so that's not an argument nonetheless lol... "vitality was literally gone out of the planet the first 6 months of the year" yea its a fact but i countered it in a sense how much this will impact hltv top20(not heavily) Well, that doesnt mean you countered ''my argument''(even tho its facts), you simply came up with a solution to a problem O.o... Buut, if you look at it like this - If simple has 250 maps played in 2021 and gets 1st, shiro has 200 maps with 1.25 rating, zywoo has 60 maps with 1.30 rating and 4 mvps, do you believe zywoo deserves #2 over shiro? obviously speaking theoretically.
2021-09-28 08:26
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i thought that you are arguing about hltv top20 so i kinda thought that that evp thing was sarcastic way how to say zywoo doesnt have those "few" evps. about that vitality part, same thing. i thought that you want to use it as an argument against zywoo why he shouldnt be that high so i tried to counter that fact with what happened with s1mple in the similar scenario because it didnt impact him in 2019 right? about that theoretical question i guess that i would put sh1ro over zywoo in that case but if you look at 2021 and big events(the most important thing) hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. its 101 maps of sh1ro vs 77 of zywoo and year isnt over yet. also if we look at other important stats as well(i guess that we both know that it isnt based on overall rating from big events) then you have 0.06 diff in big event rating, 0.22 diff in impact which is HUGE, 0.16 diff in stats vs top5, 0.1 diff in stats vs top10 and zywoo has also higher adr which is pretty important stat as well and he has 16 more opening kills with less maps played(another important stat). so in this real scenario i would put zywoo over sh1ro for sure
2021-09-28 08:46
if the rating differences are more than like 0,05 or so they dont care about achievements
2021-09-26 13:34
6 replies
#72
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
sh1ro 1.23 zywoo 1.27 so they do care
2021-09-26 13:36
5 replies
oh god...my last reply to you before ranking will be released since you obviously dont know how it works: overall rating: zywoo: 1.27 sh1ro: 1.23 vs top20: zywoo: 1.28 sh1ro: 1.21 vs top10: zywoo: 1.27 sh1ro: 1.19 vs top5: zywoo: zywoo 1.27 sh1ro: 1.13 adr: zywoo: 82.8 sh1ro: 75.5 impact: zywoo 1.34 sh1ro: 1.14 there you go. i will bookmark this for you...
2021-09-26 13:44
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#85
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
we'll see! If ZywOo ends up 2nd, you DM me and I will surely admit to it and apologize. But right now, I think Sh1ro will end up above ZywOo.
2021-09-26 13:46
2 replies
so nice menss)) wtf netherlands bois are great
2021-09-26 14:08
Premature prediction. 4 t1 tournaments are left dude. Wait for a while
2021-09-26 14:13
they look at big events and at top 20 tho if i'm not mistaking, then zyw0o would be more ahead
2021-09-26 14:28
I took like 2 hours of my time to go through all the stats, top 20 ratings top, top 10 ratings, how many maps they've played in total and how many in top 20 etc. Other Heroic players and broky didn't make it on the list cuz they're stats were worse. And mir is higher than cadiaN and mantuu because mir's top 20 rating: 1.12 while mantuu's top 20 rating: 1.10 and cadiaN's 1.09. Also they had about the same amount of maps played.
2021-09-26 13:16
5 replies
#40
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Damn, that's interesting. However, the HLTV ranking doesn't solely rely on stats. It cares a LOT about achievements and placements. Heroic have won more than OG or spirit, and that's also why Heroic players deserve to be on the list. Who is their highest after Cadian?
2021-09-26 13:20
4 replies
TeSeS with 1.11 rating all and top 20 1.08
2021-09-26 13:21
1 reply
#54
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
At least Teses deserves to be on the list, and both Teses and Cadian moved up. Placements matter a lot.
2021-09-26 13:24
Highest should be Hunden with spectator cam
2021-09-27 20:07
1 reply
true true true
2021-09-27 20:23
1. s1mple 2. Hobbit 3. ZywOo 4. sh1ro 5. Ax1Le 6. ropz 7. huNter 8. dev1ce 9. Jame 10. NiKo 11. cadiaN 12. YEKINDAR 13. mantuu 14. EliGE 15. electronic 16. TeSeS 17. BlameF 18. Frozen 19. mir 20. Twistzz
2021-09-27 02:38
19 replies
Hunter over NiKo? NiKo has been statistically impressive this year, especially lately. While the opposite can be said about hunter recently, he’s fallen off a bit from what I’ve seen
2021-09-27 03:21
4 replies
Well, we'll see. I'd say they're pretty close
2021-09-27 04:41
3 replies
#284
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Yugoslavia Smooshy_
hunter 1.09 rating niko 1.18 what are you smoking
2021-09-28 16:07
They're definitely not close. NiKo is far more dominant than Hunter
2021-10-01 14:46
huNter- was #13 last year while NiKo was #4. They have about the same stats this year so wtf are you saying man
2021-10-01 14:49
Hunter on 7th has to be a joke. hltv.org/stats/players/3972/hunter?start.. Hunter has a 1.09 in 2021 hltv.org/stats/players/3741/niko?startDa.. NiKo has a 1.18 in 2021 Hunter should be 15-20.
2021-09-27 16:54
1 reply
I have not seen any stats prior to making my comment. I simply went on how I've seen players perform over the course of the whole year, and made my list based on that. I am probably wrong about having hunter above niko, but hunter was a beast in january, february, march as I recall. I'd swap their positions
2021-09-27 17:01
delusional rank list
2021-09-27 20:01
1 reply
What would you change on it?
2021-09-28 00:02
NiKo > Hobbit
2021-09-28 07:47
4 replies
Not in 2021
2021-09-28 07:49
3 replies
Individually NiKo > Hobbit in 2021 Team wise Hobbit > NiKo But NiKo is still better than Hobbit in 2021. I don't understand why people are rating Hobbit so high, his team was dominating 6 months and he still only has 1.19 rating(if NiKo or ropz dominated 6 months(with their team) they would easily have 1.25+ rating. Stop overrating Hobbit Ax1le and Sh1ro
2021-09-28 07:57
2 replies
Hltv values achievements quite a lot. You've seen in with dev1ce for 6 years now. Gambit has so far been the best team in 2021 (with the most achievements). Everyone in Gambit is fairly rated because of that. Hobbit also has 2 mvps this year. He is guaranteed to be top2-5. Same goes for sh1ro and Ax1Le
2021-09-28 08:00
1 reply
True, that's why I hate hltv top 20 Like why do they make a top of players by their team achievments.
2021-09-28 08:02
Probably biased here but doesn't nafany deserve top 20? So does b1t? I would pick them over Yekindar and Jame imo.
2021-09-28 07:51
4 replies
I really want nafany to be in top20, and maybe he will be at the bottom, but VP were pretty good during most of the year. Jame and yekindar are 100% gonna be somewhere in there
2021-09-28 07:57
3 replies
Yeah well. It is a "He deserved to be there but he simply had too much competition" kind of thing. Unlucky for him. Great IGL imo.
2021-09-28 07:58
2 replies
The best IGL of 2021 imo
2021-09-28 08:01
1 reply
Reluctantly, I would have to agree. His strats and timings with his aggression are amazing. The way he directs his team from their team speak is also very mature. Boombl4 isn't doing too bad imo, but s1mple taking a bigger role is a bigger effect imo.
2021-09-28 08:03
zywoo is undeniably #2 the difference between his and sh1ro's stats is too high.
2021-10-01 14:27
swap jame and device
2021-09-26 13:03
16 replies
#5
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
device been down bad in NIP, Jame insane
2021-09-26 13:05
15 replies
"insane"
2021-09-26 13:05
3 replies
#9
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7592/devi.. Not to mention Jame IGLs as well, and Device is the superstar in NIP. Also, I'd argue that VP has a worse core than NIP.
2021-09-26 13:07
2 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7592/devi.. "insane" is not the word plus hes playing for a better team than device
2021-09-26 13:14
1 reply
#31
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
You're comparing them in only big events, and even there Jame is higher rated than Device. and like I said, I'd say NIP > VP
2021-09-26 13:17
device is carrying nip plus we was world class for astralis at the beginning of the year
2021-09-26 13:09
10 replies
#32
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Is carrying NIP to what? Outside top 8 spots? He's not been as good as he was, not in the slightest. And for Astralis in 2021: 7-9th, 5-6th, 5-6th, 9-16th and a 1.21 rating, but that's max 4 months. 58/0/35 in those maps.
2021-09-26 13:17
8 replies
0 assists in 4 months?
2021-09-26 13:35
1 reply
#74
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
no thats uh, wins draws losses
2021-09-26 13:37
its still an individual top 20 true that the team hasnt been doing well but that just makes it more impressive that he has a 1.21 rating
2021-09-26 13:56
5 replies
#94
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
I'm not denying he is an insanely skilled individual, but if you look at 2019 and 2020 where he got top 20, things have changed. Navi and Gambit are better than Vitality, and so are s1mple and sh1ro imo.
2021-09-26 13:57
4 replies
true but he still should be in the 10 top but thats ofc an opinion
2021-09-26 14:19
3 replies
He should be top 5, for sure, I just dont think he's 1 or 2.
2021-09-26 15:44
2 replies
device top 5 2021? Hell no
2021-09-26 15:48
1 reply
Oh shit, sorry, my brain's a mess. I thought this was about ZywOo. Device top 20 maybe, not top 5.
2021-09-26 16:41
Rez and hampus carry NIP more than device
2021-09-26 13:34
zywoo top 1 in my book
2021-09-26 13:04
8 replies
+1
2021-09-26 13:05
Stop talking behind your own back cuz all you find is your own shit.
2021-09-26 13:09
2 replies
s0mple fan...
2021-09-26 13:10
1 reply
Not the matter of fact that I'm a fan of S1mple it's more just about being realistic or not. S1mple has done MUCH more this year than zywoo. Don't get me wrong tho, he is a phenomenal player but S1mple deserves the number one place for 2021 due to his sick highlights and amount of trophies/MPV's he has won this year.
2021-09-26 13:15
#21
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Germany i_dont_car
trash book
2021-09-26 13:13
Objectively worse than s1mple in 2021, but ok
2021-09-26 13:14
lets be honest here. s1mple is playing better than zywoo and will be top1(and its well deserved). comming from zywoo fan btw
2021-09-26 13:18
nice germany book your book is shit
2021-09-26 13:23
2-NİKO 3-Ropz 4-Ax1le 5-Zyw0o
2021-09-26 13:05
2 replies
2021-09-26 14:56
1 reply
#330
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CIS lorg0n
+1
2021-10-01 14:49
Major’s gonna affect this ranking a lot, If we get an early choke from one of the favourites this list may shuffle in a weird way. Good list tho
2021-09-26 13:06
#10
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Germany Constikdw
Ropz won’t be as high, he hasn’t played enough playoff matches imo. Same go for Jame and Blame. I also feel like K0nfig should be somewhere on the list
2021-09-26 13:07
+B1T somewhere in top15-20 and electronic higher due to achievements and amount of maps played
2021-09-26 13:08
2 replies
+1
2021-09-26 20:31
+1
2021-09-27 09:55
-mir, mantuu +stavn, rez
2021-09-26 13:11
2 replies
-Jame too
2021-09-26 13:21
No.
2021-09-26 13:22
#16
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Serbia eliiiiii_
hunter has to be somewhere, especially thanks to lan performances likewise cadian shouldn't be considering he's been a subpar awper for the majority of 2021 apart from the clutch had electronic much higher
2021-09-26 13:11
3 replies
I don't know about electronic going much higher because his 1.10 rating against top 20 isn't that good
2021-09-26 13:39
2 replies
#113
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Serbia eliiiiii_
true but there's still time to correct it, especially during the lan part of the year
2021-09-26 14:14
1 reply
yea but this list is so far not in whole 2021. I think electronic will get ranked higher at the end of the year too
2021-09-26 14:20
Zywoo 2nd ? I don't think so, his stats maybe good but he has 1 mvp in 2021.
2021-09-26 13:11
12 replies
he’s for sure 2nd lmao
2021-09-26 13:12
4 replies
Not really I was wrong, he has 0 mvp's in 2021 so 2nd 3rd and perhaps 4th place can go to sh1ro and ax1le/hobbit
2021-09-26 13:21
3 replies
sh1ro has 0 mvp's too
2021-09-26 13:23
2 replies
Katowice 2021
2021-09-26 13:24
1 reply
oh yeah mb but still ZywOo has that much better rating especially against top 20 and top 10 that sh1ro wouldn't be 2nd place. HLTV also values rating more than mvp's nowadays
2021-09-26 13:27
he has 0 mvps in 2021
2021-09-26 13:15
1 reply
Which means, sh1ro and hobbit have a good chances to claim 2nd and 3rd place
2021-09-26 13:21
Does he have MVP? He hasn't won any tournament yet
2021-09-26 13:16
3 replies
Yeah, he doesn't my mistake
2021-09-26 13:16
2 replies
for a second I thought about his win in blast groups final, but this doesn't make sense xd
2021-09-26 13:19
1 reply
I thought about blast final as well but that tournament ended in December 2020
2021-09-26 13:23
2021-09-26 14:48
#20
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Japan JadzStar
Putting in kscerato, mantuu, cadian and mir like we wouldn’t notice Also, no broky so this list is shit
2021-09-26 13:12
7 replies
They're on the list because their stats are better than brokys.
2021-09-26 13:17
-Jame + Broky
2021-09-26 13:21
5 replies
Jame 1 mvp 2021 > broky 0 mvps
2021-09-27 02:40
4 replies
VP is one of the biggest shames of 2021 dude... wait, they won't qualify for the major...
2021-09-27 03:13
3 replies
not shame, but the fact that CIS has a lot of strong teams doesn't make them bad team, just someone is btter Dunno as for Liquid fan you maybe can't realize it cuz NA is not that strong and has less competetive teams than CIS :(
2021-09-27 14:46
2 replies
In my opinion it's a total shame. VP has players with little experience in Lan, they started the year with high expectations, Gambit, Navi and VP. But VP is not even qualifying for the Major, there is a lot of investment in these players. Also, coolly review Jame's gameplay: WATCH JAME'S STREAMS. He's ridiculous. It's impossible for him to have bad stats, as he simply doesn't participate in any matches. He is simply a successful baiter, but a baiter who has raised the level of baiters. He is turning lv5 faceit lobs into just baiters.
2021-09-27 14:58
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Still VP > All NA/SA, Faze, Col, NIP The only teams that have achieved more than VP is Navi/Gambit/G2/Heroic, VP=Vitality. Jame has been sitting with 1.15 against top teams for the whole year, where has Broky been until the Cologne??
2021-09-28 16:37
JAME 8????????????????????/
2021-09-26 13:20
1 reply
Yes check out his stats
2021-09-26 13:40
zywho with 0 mvps in 2021 top-2,how?
2021-09-26 13:22
24 replies
Impossible, most likely sh1ro will be 2nd
2021-09-26 13:23
ZywOo's rating 1.27> Ax1Le's/Hobbit's 1.19 + 2 mvp's
2021-09-26 13:25
21 replies
who cares about the rating inflated in the group stages?
2021-09-26 13:27
and sh1ro??
2021-09-26 13:30
1 reply
1.27>1.22+1 mvp. Also ZywOo's rating against top teams way better than sh1ro's top 10 1.25>1.19
2021-09-26 13:33
In 2017 S1mple had the second highest rating, and didn't even crack top-5. It matters less than you'd expect
2021-09-26 13:33
17 replies
Yea MVP's mattered more back then but nowadays HLTV values rating more
2021-09-26 13:35
15 replies
I don't think that's changed? We just haven't seen a situation like this since 2017, where the player with a higher rating has almost zero good showings. In fact in 2020, S1mple had better stats than Zywoo in most aspects, a higher rating, but less MVPs What evidence do you have that values rating more?
2021-09-26 13:52
14 replies
I think it was said somewhere that mvp's don't hold that much value than they used to
2021-09-26 14:17
13 replies
Then why wasn't S1 #1 of 2020? MVPs are quite literally the best way of determining the best player. Getting the best statistics means very little if you can't even make it to playoffs
2021-09-26 14:19
12 replies
They literally had like the same rating so of course the mvp's will decide it but it's not like someone who has for example rating 1.18 + 2 mvp's gets placed 4th and someone with rating 1.26 + 1 MVP gets placed 8th because the other guy has 1 MVP more. It's definitely not like that anymore
2021-09-26 14:28
6 replies
What evidence do you have that it's not like that anymore? It's the same people making the list, and there's never ever been a ranking opposite
2021-09-26 14:52
5 replies
I mean #132 says it too. In 2018 device had 6 MORE MVPS than s1mple but still didn't get 1st because s1mple's rating was better. There's the evidence for you
2021-09-26 14:57
4 replies
What? Device only got one more MVP A single MVP over a 0.10 rating difference? No. A single MVP over a 0.05 rating difference, and over double the EVPs? Yes.
2021-09-26 15:15
3 replies
oh yeah nvm that but it seems like 1 MVP over 0.12 rating difference in 2017 when Fallen #6 with 1.14 2 MVPs and s1mple #8 with 1.26 1 MVP
2021-09-26 15:26
2 replies
Look at playoff maps played, and EVPs
2021-09-26 15:34
1 reply
Whatever
2021-09-26 15:51
because their stats were almost identical but zywoo had better impact rating, more adr, more clutches and was better in opening kills... ofc that those mvps helped him as well but wasnt the only reason and we are talking about stats with 0.01-0.03 diff here or there. not about 0.2 in impact etc. btw look at device vs s1mple in 2018. device had the record in mvps in 1 year, he had the best year with his team of all time in csgo and yet s1mple was 1st bcs that diff in stats was massive
2021-09-26 14:38
4 replies
The stats difference was massive, you're right, by over 0.1. This year the stats difference are only of by 0.04, with double the playoff maps. And S1mple in 2018 quite literally had more MVPs than trophies, of course when you look at individual performance you also have to take that into consideration
2021-09-26 14:53
3 replies
dont look at just overall rating buddy...thats not how hltv ranking works. overall rating: zywoo: 1.27 sh1ro: 1.23 vs top20: zywoo: 1.28 sh1ro: 1.21 vs top10: zywoo: 1.27 sh1ro: 1.19 vs top5: zywoo: zywoo 1.27 sh1ro: 1.13 adr: zywoo: 82.8 sh1ro: 75.5 impact: zywoo 1.34 sh1ro: 1.14 that difference is actually bigger than it was between s1mple and dev1ce in 2019 where s1mple literally reached 1 grand final with 1 mvp+5 evps and navi was barely ranked as top10 team while astralis was first and device had 3 mvps+7 evps
2021-09-26 15:00
2 replies
But then look at playoffs played. Zywoo has literally played in three playoffs this year, TOTAL. Blast finals, IEM summer, and Pro League. Out of like ten different opportunities. I believe he's only gotten three EVPs? Correct me if I'm wrong. S1mple reached 8 or 9 playoffs in 2019, won a tournament with MVP and got 5 EVPs. Obviously that's better than Device in 2019. Compare to Zywoo and Sh1ro Zywoo - 3 playoff runs total, zero MVPs, 3 EVPs Sh1ro - 11 playoff runs, 1 MVP, EVPs in nearly every event of the year. The difference in maps played in playoffs is much more than double, Gambit have played nearly as many playoffs maps as vitality have played maps TOTAL.
2021-09-26 15:12
1 reply
That maps played argument surely makes sense. No way that I will deny that or even try to counter that bcs I can't... But I still can't see sh1ro above Zywoo with 0.2 difference in impact and we still have some tournaments ahead of them. We will see ;)
2021-09-26 15:24
the main reason why s1mple was that "low" was bcs of his play off rating which was out of top10. not bcs his team wasnt good. look at 2019 where navi was barely top10 team that year and yet s1mple was second bcs of stats
2021-09-26 14:28
2021-09-26 14:47
I think a strong argument could be made for B1t breaking top20. The amount he's added to Na'vi in his rookie year has been insane
2021-09-26 13:34
2 replies
Yea but also his 1.07 rating isn't enough. And 1.06 against top 20
2021-09-26 13:36
1 reply
Fair!
2021-09-26 13:50
#73
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Norway Lykkeboe
Some of the heroic roster should def be there, at least refrezh
2021-09-26 13:36
2 replies
stavn and teses > refrezh
2021-09-26 13:37
definitely not refrezh
2021-09-26 13:41
#77
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Romania applybomba
broky was insane this year, he deserve top10
2021-09-26 13:40
6 replies
His 1.09 rating doesn't deserve a place on the list at all
2021-09-26 13:42
5 replies
#86
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Romania applybomba
stats is not everything in cs, look at the impact he have in games :D
2021-09-26 13:50
4 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/18053/broky?start.. Trully a breath taking impact.
2021-09-26 13:51
2 replies
+1
2021-09-26 13:58
#203
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Czech Republic y0fl0w
lmao
2021-09-26 20:34
2021-09-26 13:58
I want alexib please
2021-09-26 13:43
top10 everything accurate except ax1le being above hobbit and jame being above blamef, switch those and perfect for the top10
2021-09-26 13:43
9 replies
why should Hobbit be higher than Ax1Le? Tbh that was one of the hardest decisions to make, but I think I made the right one and also Jame's stats are better than blameF's that's why
2021-09-26 14:04
8 replies
higher adr, higher impact, higher kpr they have the same amount of mvps, hobbit is also a bit more consistent ax1le is more flashy in a way that he has insane highlights and crazy maps which would make you feel like hes better, because those moments and series get stuck in your mind the biggest one is hobbit has 1.18 against top10 opponents, while ax1le has 1.14 hobbit 1.17 against top20, ax1le 1.14 against top20
2021-09-26 14:05
7 replies
Yea I guess I made the wrong decision now that I think about it more. also you got every rating wrong btw
2021-09-26 14:19
6 replies
5 replies
Ax1Le: top 10 1.13, not 1.14 top 20 1.16, not 1.14 Hobbit: top 10 1.16, not 1.18 top 20 1.18, not 1.17
2021-09-26 14:31
4 replies
hobbit i.imgur.com/Bd6pLMk.png ax1le i.imgur.com/QVyBoNm.png do u not see the same
2021-09-26 14:33
3 replies
no I'm just putting Ranking filter: Top 20 at the top. I didn't look at those
2021-09-26 14:41
oh shit did i just look at wrong things for 2 fucking hours is my list complete bullshit now?!?!?! FUCCKC
2021-09-26 14:43
1 reply
The HLTV TopX filter is when both the involved teams (the player's team as well as the opponent team) are in TopX rankings. What HLTV Top20 Rankings consider, is the ratings *against* TopX teams, regardless of what rank the player's own team was. This is actually a very logical thing to do. TL;DR Featured Ratings are what yoi should actually see. This was confirmed last year by HLTV Admins.
2021-09-26 15:31
electronic at 16?????????????????????
2021-09-26 13:45
2 replies
yea because his against top 20 rating is 1.10 and everyone above him have higher rating, but I suppose I could put him couple spots higher
2021-09-26 14:00
1 reply
elec has better playoff rating and final the a lot of those above him and a shitton of evps. top 10 in my book.
2021-09-26 14:37
why is jame so high on everyone's list? guy just saves awp every round XDD otherwise not that bad list
2021-09-26 13:51
1 reply
because his rating is so fucking high 1.19 bro and 1.16 against top 20. 1.12 against top 10 blameF, KSCERATO, ELiGE all have lower stats than him so how would I put him lower huh???
2021-09-26 14:06
b1t bro :D
2021-09-26 13:57
6 replies
no way 1.06 top 20 rating
2021-09-26 13:59
5 replies
twistzz 1.08 vs top20, while B1T has higher vs top10 and top5 (1.06 vs 1.05 and 1.06 vs 1.00) while also B1T has more maps played and much bigger team achievements. And still somehow twistzz 14th, while B1T is out of top20
2021-09-26 14:49
3 replies
yea yea i was looking at wrong stats and now some things don't make any sense I was putting raking filter top 20, top 10 cuz I thought that meant what ranked teams they played against but it means their ranking....
2021-09-26 14:51
2 replies
yeah, striker +other mods has already confirmed that featured rating is the one to check level of performances vs certain top group of teams
2021-09-26 14:53
+also sadly we can't see the play-offs rating, that is more important than overall stats. And teams with Bigger achievements (NAVI, Gambit etc) will have a huge advantage there Some analyst from CIS (petr1k) tried to calculate the list, and that's what he's got (only 1st half btw, before EPL) docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nVqT42M6.. You can also check play-offs rating there and B1T has 1.11 (NAVI's 2nd best performer in play-offs)
2021-09-26 15:00
He must be into first 20(4,5 won events) :D
2021-09-26 19:51
#98
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Russia Aksyara
Dolboeb,s1mple number 2.Eblan
2021-09-26 13:59
#99
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Finland epeape15
I'd put electronic way higher.
2021-09-26 13:59
#101
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Ukraine Sla1ter
1 player from heroic? what? but yekindar, naf, elige ofc in list xD
2021-09-26 14:00
5 replies
Why would other heroic players with their <1.09 ratings be on the list xD look up the stats before speaking
2021-09-26 14:34
2 replies
#137
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Ukraine Sla1ter
resault matter too liquid and vp won absolutely nothing while heroic won sum shit
2021-09-26 14:47
1 reply
doesnt matter that much they won 1 event
2021-09-26 14:49
both stavn and cadian are in my top20 list?
2021-09-26 20:35
1 reply
SORRY STAVN INSTEAD OF MANTUU, i wrote wrong thing
2021-09-26 20:36
1. Zywoo might not get 2nd place except vitality finish better at major than gambit 2. Jame & BlameF not gonna be on top 10 3. dev1ce a little bit too low 4. TeSes & stavn> twistzz 5. NAF higher rank than frozen
2021-09-26 14:08
2 replies
everything you just said is proved to be complete bullshit. And btw this list is SO FAR, not whole 2021
2021-09-26 14:35
1 reply
u are dumb as fuck and only based on stats but ok.
2021-09-26 14:56
TOP 20 PLAYERS 2021 SO FAR (Position, Name, Role, Rating 2.0 in 2021 including all matches (Impact Rating), Team Achievements) 1.s1mple (AWPer/Rifler), 1.34 (1.43), S-Tier - 6x1st place(including Grand Slam), 1x2nd 2.ZywOo (AWPer/Rifler), 1.27 (1.34), S-Tier - 1x2nd, 1x3rd, 1x1st-3rd, 1x3rd-4th 3.Hobbit (Rifler), 1.19 (1.22), S-Tier - 3x1st place, 3x2nd place (including Grand Slam) 4.sh1ro (AWPer), 1.23 (1.14), S-Tier - 3x1st place, 3x2nd place (including Grand Slam) 5.YEKINDAR (Entry), 1.14 (1.35), S-Tier - 1x1st place, 1x2nd place 6.Ax1Le (Rifler), 1.19 (1.18), S-Tier - 3x1st place, 3x2nd place (including Grand Slam) 7.electronic (Rifler), 1.11 (1.12), S-Tier - 6x1st place(including Grand Slam), 1x2nd 8.NiKo (Rifler), 1.18 (1.25), S-Tier - 1x2nd, 1x3rd, 2x3rd-4th 9.Jame (IGL/AWPer), 1.19 (1.12), S-Tier - 1x1st place, 1x2nd place 10.mir (Entry), 1.20 (1.27), S-Tier - 1x3rd-4th place 11.ropz (Lurker), 1.19 (1.20), S-Tier - 1x3rd-4th place 12.EliGE (Rifler), 1.16 (1.25), S-Tier - 1x3rd-4th place, 1x4th place 13.device (AWPer), 1.12 (1.18), S-Tier - 1x2nd, 1x1st-3rd, 1x4th 14.cadiaN (IGL/AWPer), 1.12 (1.10) S-Tier - 1x1st, 3rd at Grand Slam, 3x3rd-4th 15.blameF (IGL/Lurker), 1.18 (1.15), S-Tier - 1x1st-3rd place 16.TeSeS (Rifler), 1.11 (1.12), S-Tier - 1x1st, 3rd at Grand Slam, 3x3rd-4th 17.KSCERATO (Rifler), 1.17 (1.14), S-Tier - 1x3rd-4th 18.frozen (Entry), 1.16 (1.15), S-Tier - 1x3rd-4th 19.stavn (Rifler), 1.09 (1.06), S-Tier - 1x1st, 3rd at Grand Slam, 3x3rd-4th 20.dupreeh (Entry), 1.07 (1.07), S-Tier - 1x2nd, 1x3rd-4th, 4th place at Grand Slam, 1x4th-6th What did I wrong?
2021-09-26 14:11
8 replies
Finally someone putting dupreeh on, i think he has done great this year considering the circumstances.
2021-10-01 11:04
5 replies
For me, for the #20 spot it was 50/50 between him and b1t
2021-10-01 13:46
4 replies
Your right, but i think dupreeh desveres it consindering Bit hasn't played the full year.
2021-10-01 14:25
3 replies
b1t has played the full year and has played more maps than dupreeh. Are you fucking dumb?
2021-10-01 14:44
2 replies
yes
2021-10-01 14:49
1 reply
But he joined in April so you're wrong my guy
2021-10-01 14:50
Why not include mvp's and evp's then also?
2021-10-01 13:12
1 reply
Because for example s1mple took every MVP for NaVi and electronic would be overshadowed
2021-10-01 13:44
#119
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Indonesia FinZzz
Cadian and electronic too low
2021-09-26 14:20
2 replies
cadiaN definitely not too low 1.09 rating against top 20 and no mvp's
2021-09-26 14:36
check #111
2021-09-26 15:31
k0nfig where?
2021-09-26 14:36
1 reply
nowhere i didnt even think about him but tbh I don't even think he deserves to be on the list after all he has 1.07 rating against top 20 and 1.00 against top 10. Maybe last year he should've been
2021-09-26 14:45
Man, this is a great list. I wanted to compliment you on putting Jame and KSCERATO on the list in the places that they deserve. They can so easily go unnoticed. I could maybe argue about order of the three gambit players, that Shiro is the worst of the three, but that is quite a small thing.
2021-09-26 14:51
1 reply
Thx bro. Yea people don't seem to get how insane ratings Jame and KSCERATO have
2021-09-26 15:08
Honestly I'm shocked that we're speaking about top 2021 so soon. top 20 2020 was like a week ago, and the s1mple vs zywoo threads were so freaking annoying, I can't believe it's almost that time of the year again. Time flies.
2021-09-26 14:54
Great list I think the 3 gambit players are overrated and I see electronic as better than 15th. To change the list I would put the 3 gambit players below ropz and put electronic at least #10
2021-09-26 15:25
16 replies
Why would you put ropz higher? They have about the same ratings but Hobbit and Ax1Le have 2 MVP's both
2021-09-26 15:49
1 reply
I think it’s the good team buff ropz I think is carrying his team and has to do way more to get his rating than gambit and mvps is either the winner of the tournament unless 1 player popped off and made a deep run to beat the winner and thus I value mvps less.
2021-09-26 18:54
check #111
2021-09-26 16:00
13 replies
there is no #111
2021-09-26 16:00
12 replies
how?
2021-09-26 16:10
is there #170 now?
2021-09-26 16:14
10 replies
no
2021-09-26 16:21
9 replies
how is this possible?
2021-09-26 16:24
8 replies
#170 now?
2021-09-26 16:25
2 replies
no sry for late answer but no not working
2021-09-26 16:54
1 reply
finally #111 is loaded lol after 6 hours gj hltv
2021-09-26 19:56
It happens to new accounts and accounts that haven’t been active for a while
2021-09-27 02:16
4 replies
I'm on HLTV for 4 years now and im checking HLTV everyday so no
2021-09-27 09:50
3 replies
Do you post comments everyday though?
2021-09-27 14:33
2 replies
Almost yeah I think its a bug from HLTV when your comment has a lot of words
2021-09-27 18:56
1 reply
Oh yeah maybe that’s spam prevention
2021-09-27 19:48
Zywoo top 2 not fair. Not at this moment
2021-09-26 16:57
8) jame 16) electronic xDDDD good list
2021-09-26 16:58
1 reply
2021-09-26 17:45
Take a look at their stats idiot electronic 1.11 0 MVP Jame 1.19 1 MVP but I guess electronic could be couple spots higher
2021-09-26 17:44
Good list but I would also add nafany to the lower parts of the list. He has 1.06 this year (1.07 at big events) with bunch of EVPs and tournament wins. He also has huge impact as an entry fragger.
2021-09-26 19:59
3 replies
He actually has 0 EVPs. No way he's top 20
2021-09-26 20:01
2 replies
He has 2 confirmed EVPs rn (EPL 13 and Cologne) He probably has a few more unconfirmed EVPs from other tournaments hltv.y0fl0w.de/hltv_mvp_evp_2021#finishe..
2021-09-26 20:45
1 reply
yea ik mb
2021-09-26 20:46
No chance Jame and mir find themselves on the list and KSCERATO will be way lower if he even shows up
2021-09-26 20:00
2 replies
Against Top 20 ratings: KSCERATO 1.15 Jame 1.16 mir 1.12 Against Top 10 ratings: KSCERATO 1.13 Jame 1.15 mir 1.14 Yes, they are on the list.
2021-09-26 20:04
1 reply
#224
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United Kingdom fal36
A lot of that is against na teams And furia havent had many deep playoff runs so most of his stats will be from groupstages He ll be top20 but only in the bottom 5
2021-09-27 03:28
Broky where?
2021-09-26 20:01
3 replies
Top 30
2021-09-26 20:02
2 replies
Nah, Broky clearly better than everyone below Jame
2021-09-26 20:06
1 reply
Nope. Not even in the last 3 months
2021-09-26 20:10
devve 15????????????????????????? xaxaxaxax xaxaxaxaxaxa xaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2021-09-26 20:06
3 replies
u still delusional?
2021-09-26 20:09
1 reply
nt allu
2021-09-26 20:31
For once I agree with fellow danishman. How in hell can devve even be on the top20 list at all, maybe top30 but not higher than that. :/
2021-09-27 02:10
elec 16 KSCERATO 10 okay :(
2021-09-26 20:07
3 replies
sorry bro, but KSCERATO too high rating maybe elec 14th tho
2021-09-26 20:11
2 replies
well, considering team achievements this year (which was actually the reason simple was robbed in 2020) elec should be higher I guess. Also, I have a question about bit :) I didn't analyze anything but you say you did. where is he?
2021-09-26 20:13
1 reply
"well, considering team achievements this year (which was actually the reason simple was robbed in 2020) elec should be higher I guess." firstly he wasnt robbed and secondly navi was ranked higher in top10 teams of 2020...
2021-10-01 14:52
#195
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Ukraine McSwell
9. blameF
2021-09-26 20:10
1 reply
In 2021, not in the last 24 hours
2021-09-26 20:12
mantuu>device but nt
2021-09-26 20:13
1 reply
Against top 20 mantuu 1.08 device 1.11 top 10 mantuu 1.08 device 1.12 top5 mantuu 0.98 LOL device 1.05 device 2 EVPs mantuu 0 nt
2021-09-26 20:18
B1T
2021-09-26 20:41
1 reply
no
2021-09-26 20:42
2021-09-26 20:48
1 reply
Yeah, the #20 player will have a 1.01 rating lol
2021-09-27 02:15
1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. sh1ro 4. Ax1Le 5. Hobbit 6. NiKo 7. ropz 8. Jame 9. mir 10. KSCERATO 11. degster 12. electronic 13. blameF 14. EliGE 15. YEKINDAR 16. frozen 17. FL1T 18. cadiaN 19. device 20. Twistzz I feel like the top10 is pretty clear atm, though if navi keep winning like now elec might get into top10, and maybe b1t also makes the top20
2021-09-26 21:11
Finally an actually good list
2021-09-27 02:13
1. m0nesy
2021-09-27 02:15
the perfect top20 list
2021-09-27 03:15
I think we'll see a B1t in this list soon.
2021-09-27 03:31
Lol what about R EZ in 2021?
2021-09-27 05:25
1 reply
Yeah can be possibly #19 or #20
2021-09-27 10:01
#230
shox | 
Finland wormi
good list cadiaN and mantuu maybe over mir and NAF tho
2021-09-27 09:53
#231
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United Kingdom LeMonkke
I'd but bit on, he's one of the main reasons Navi look so dominant, remember them with flamie?
2021-09-27 09:54
s0mpl1 is so overrated, very bad ...
2021-09-27 09:56
devve up ropz down frozen down gambot players down maybe? how is jame on that lol
2021-09-27 11:18
1 reply
maybe take a look at their stats before speaking lol?
2021-09-30 20:09
frozen sh1ro jame overrated, mir electronic yekindar underrated
2021-09-27 14:51
R EZ???!?!?"??#?"#?€?€"?€!?#?"%"?%"?#????????
2021-09-27 16:55
2 replies
Not this year unless if something crazy happens at the major
2021-09-27 19:52
1 reply
R EZ MVP STOCKHOLM MAJOR= R EZ TOP 1
2021-09-27 19:57
Jame top 8 AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
2021-09-27 19:01
3 replies
You have a problem with that?
2021-09-30 20:08
2 replies
its not a problem, just not true there are a lot of better players
2021-10-01 10:59
1 reply
Take a look at stats and tell me who is better for example. I really wanna know
2021-10-01 13:07
if those results continue, they probably won't include blamef cos of lack of team achievements
2021-09-27 19:02
gj
2021-09-27 19:05
IMO (and according to the stats): 1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. sh1ro 4. Hobbit 5. Ax1Le 6. Niko 7. b1t 8. Electronic 9. blameF 10. Jame 11. ELiGE 12. Twistzz 13. ropz 14. YEKINDAR 15. Broky 16. huNter 17. frozen 18. mir 19. mantuu 20. Device What do you think mens?
2021-09-27 19:56
3 replies
b1t is not top 7 wtf b1t should not be on this list
2021-09-28 15:26
1 reply
forsure b1t is top 20
2021-09-28 20:37
people should stop putting b1t in top10. its crystal clear that he wont be there
2021-10-01 15:00
major is important
2021-09-27 20:02
1 reply
this list is SO FAR in 2021.
2021-09-30 20:22
CadiaN will not ever get top 20, NiKo should get higher, dev1ce 20th max
2021-09-27 20:24
Imo kscerto wont be above 15 because his team has done nothing this year
2021-09-28 00:04
1 reply
His rating so far is so good i cant put him lower
2021-09-30 20:07
nice
2021-09-28 08:23
0/8 R ez is gonna be top 10 this year and you didn't even put him in top 20. And you put lots of onliner fluke bots like heroic and gambot on the list.
2021-09-28 08:27
2 replies
Rez won't be and actually can't be in top10 this year. And the reason is that at least 8 players have already guaranted spots in top10. s1mple zywoo sh1ro ax1le hobbit electronic NiKo ropz So it's quite difficult for Rez to get 1 of the remaining 2 spots in top10 if we consider there are so many good players left to mention. He will barely reach top20 this year.
2021-09-28 16:00
This list is SO FAR, and btw he wont be on the list at the end of the year either
2021-09-30 20:04
#283
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Yugoslavia Smooshy_
electronic should be a lot higher. he might not have the best rating but look at last year. he got 5th with 1.14 rating. and now navi are doing better than last year.
2021-09-28 16:03
2 replies
yes he should be couple spots higher my bad
2021-09-30 20:01
1 reply
#308
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Yugoslavia Smooshy_
it's fine it's just my opinion
2021-09-30 20:30
#285
JD | 
Poland xVKRx
21. TaZ
2021-09-28 16:11
i think everyone is just overrating ax1le and hobbit.. they aint that good bro
2021-09-28 16:15
1 reply
have you taken a look at their stats bro?
2021-09-30 20:06
How da fxck u put mantuu and mir but no broky
2021-09-28 20:39
3 replies
cuz they better that's why. Isn't that kinda obvious?
2021-09-30 20:02
2 replies
Hahaha so funny
2021-10-01 11:47
1 reply
I don't think its that funny tbh it's just the truth ok broky: 1.06 vs top 5 opponents (24 maps) 1.08 vs top 10 opponents (57 maps) 1.08 vs top 20 opponents (93 maps) mir: 1.08 vs top 5 opponents (31 maps) 1.08 vs top 10 opponents (51 maps) 1.12 vs top 20 opponents (74 maps) They both have 1 EVP and Spirit has achieved more than FaZe in 2021 nt
2021-10-01 13:19
device before electronic 🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
2021-09-30 20:04
4 replies
device rating is better thats why
2021-09-30 20:05
3 replies
rating isn't everything, where's device's evps and trophies in 2021? +device plays awp and electronic entires with rifles
2021-09-30 20:11
2 replies
electronic 0 evp device 2 evp but yes i shouldve put electronic above him and couple others too my bad
2021-09-30 20:22
1 reply
electronic has 2 EVPs (Starladder CIS RMR, IEM Cologne)
2021-10-01 11:53
Zywoo won't be within top 3 lol forget it
2021-09-30 20:09
3 replies
he is rn
2021-09-30 20:10
2 replies
Don't just look at rating, look maps and achievements, he has so little
2021-09-30 20:10
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0.1 rating difference to ax1le/hobbit is enough tho
2021-09-30 20:17
Where flamez
2021-09-30 20:10
1 reply
maybe in top 40? idk
2021-09-30 20:18
s1mple 2. sh1ro 3. ZywOo 4. electronic 5. b1t 6. ropz 7. huNter 8. dev1ce 9. Jame 10. NiKo 11. cadiaN 12. YEKINDAR 13. mantuu 14. EliGE 15. perfecto 16. TeSeS 17. BlameF 18. Frozen 19. mir 20. Twistzz
2021-10-01 11:30
Rating is one thing but achievements are another so you have to lower Zywoo and a few others (mir , mantuu , Jame lower / out of top20) and put elec higher hobbit > ax1le of course
2021-10-01 11:55
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Jame out of top 20? Are you out of your mind?
2021-10-01 13:21
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forgot they won CSS_7 but still again, I said lower or ut i meant mantuu and mir out, and jame lower (top15-10 ish)
2021-10-01 13:56
electronic>>>frozen
2021-10-01 11:57
Elige > blameF >>>> kscerato
2021-10-01 13:49
switch KSCERATO with Perfecto and Twistzz with broky then it should be gucci
2021-10-01 15:03
#335
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Sweden D1ze
Atleast -cadian +REZ? wtf
2021-10-01 15:02
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nope REZ stats worse than cadiaN's + cadiaN 1 EVP REZ 0 EVP
2021-10-01 15:06
4 replies
#337
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Sweden D1ze
Sure but if you compare REZ and cadiaN you know that REZ would win everyday in the week over him. REZ also plays x10 more matches then him.
2021-10-01 15:08
3 replies
that doesnt matter lol
2021-10-01 15:08
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#339
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Sweden D1ze
Ah well just wait and see how wrong your list are REZ will be in the top 10 and cadian wont.
2021-10-01 15:13
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this list is SO FAR in 2021. Can you read?
2021-10-01 16:09
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