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FalleN | 
Brazil shere 
Why dont the best players just form a sueprteam and dominate the scene?? Imagine this roster s1mple ZywOo NiKo (IGL) Hobbit ropz Do you think a team would lose games if everyone was having 1.15+ rating? ofc not. Pls dont come here and say "oH bUt RoLes shEre" because roles are not relevant if everyone in your team frag very well. I'm surprised to see that the best players in the game are not smart enough to create a superteam like this. Also pls dont be like "BuT FaZe cLaN?" because 1) karrigan is not a superpower 2) NiKo and rain were the only players who played like a god in that roster. But a roster with ZywOo and s1mple can not fail if other members are actually good.
2021-09-27 23:00
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superteams dont work
2021-09-27 23:01
19 replies
#2
FalleN | 
Brazil shere
we never even saw a true superteam with 5 superstars
2021-09-27 23:01
17 replies
because it doesnt work. Whenever a superstar joina a team of super stars atleast one other player falls off because of role changes, some one has to go first and get bad stats etc, someone has to play b site mirage. My point is you can build a much better team with a good player for each role and max 3 stars
2021-09-27 23:24
4 replies
+1
2021-09-28 11:27
+1
2021-09-28 11:32
if the superstar can adapt to his new role, he'll still be good though...
2021-09-28 18:11
you said everything +1
2021-09-28 18:27
#66
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Italy ROMAG
ofc we saw it guardian (star awper) olofm (former star) rain star entry niko star karrigan star igl
2021-09-28 04:29
11 replies
olofm former star but not a star guardian baraely a star rain agreed niko agreed karrigan 0.85 rating star omegalul
2021-09-28 06:28
8 replies
Olofmeister was the star player of fnatic before he left, so yes he was a star. Rain was the star of the older FaZe clans so he was a star, NiKo was the star of Mousesports so he was a star, GuardiaN was the best player of Na Vi so yes he was the star, and karrigan was a former star in 1.6 but in csgo he was considered one of the best IGLs of all time. 4/5 players of that team were stars, yet it basically failed. Roles are in the game for a reason, they aren't just some concept made up by some kid and everyone decided to follow them. In FaZe all these stars just transitioned into their own roles, rain was a hard entry now, NiKo was the star player, GuardiaN was the secondary star, Olofmeister went from a star to a support just for the team to function, and karrigan went hard-core into becoming bait/support for this team.
2021-09-28 06:38
6 replies
+1 it only forces ''star players'' to adjust to new roles that weren't made for them in the first place
2021-09-28 11:18
3 replies
+1 Olofmeister was forced to play the support role in the team.
2021-09-28 11:32
2 replies
#107
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Italy ROMAG
Wrong reply
2021-09-28 17:58
1 reply
Huh?
2021-09-28 20:21
#111
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Italy ROMAG
Idk if we can say that it failed. They got like 10 tournament together. I think that the thing that hurted most is olofmeister needed to play shit roles. Like B in mirage, wtf
2021-09-28 18:00
1 reply
I think we can, the roster was made to dominate and yet it didn't. If it was just some normal team with no-name players then it would be a massive success, but it was a roster with nothing but the best, and it didn't live up to its high standard. And actually I think Olof was one of the biggest reasons why FaZe even won those events, somebody needed to hold those 'shitty' roles, and who on FaZe could really do it? Lets be real here, NiKo and GuardiaN were just better players then Olof at this point, so it would be pretty dumb to put them in the worst roles. Rain was already playing shitty roles so its hard to demote him even further, and Karrigan was also playing bad roles and being used as bait so it was hard to put him down any further. Remember that Olof and GuardiaN replaced KioShiMa (support player) and Allu (AWPer who didn't take up that much 'space'). So someone needed to fill in the gap left from Kio being gone, and somebody needed to take up even less space as GuardiaN took a lot more than Allu did.
2021-09-28 23:44
#106
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Italy ROMAG
Lul, you ate saying that analyzing the roster in 2021 and not he was formed. #76 just rekted you
2021-09-28 17:57
#118
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Sweden Sullijam
karrigan was the bait which made the roster work. otherwise it wouldnt
2021-09-28 18:09
1 reply
+1 People don't understand that Karrigan played all the bitchy roles in Faze so that all his other players could be set up for success.
2021-09-28 20:22
Xantares Imor Calyx Issa Woxic It works
2021-09-28 18:00
Superteams have been proven to not work.
2021-09-27 23:01
20 replies
#4
FalleN | 
Brazil shere
we never even saw a true superteam with 5 superstars
2021-09-27 23:02
17 replies
Who determines what a superstar is?
2021-09-27 23:03
16 replies
#8
FalleN | 
Brazil shere
if you determine that karrigan is a superstar, then you are not a very smart person
2021-09-27 23:03
5 replies
That doesn't answer my question.
2021-09-27 23:04
4 replies
if a player is a superstar, then he is a superstar
2021-09-27 23:04
3 replies
#36
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Canada Snowbrit
37345739 IQ
2021-09-28 00:31
2 replies
+1
2021-09-28 01:51
+1
2021-09-28 17:15
Name a team that has had 5 superstars to prove that it doesn't work. (I Don't necessarily argee with OP)
2021-09-28 03:15
9 replies
It all depends on what definition of ''superstar'' we are going for, we all seem to have different views on it. Faze was definitely a superteam in my opinion, that was the whole point of their project, to gather the best players available in the world, what else were they doing? I probably should have said that it was proven ONCE that a superteam don't work because right now I can't remember any other projects like Faze, maybe there haven't been any others at all.
2021-09-28 11:00
4 replies
FaZe was made of a superstar player and a few former star players. Superstars are players like s1mple, Zywoo, NiKo, ropz etc. And that is something we've never seen
2021-09-28 17:13
3 replies
2021-09-28 17:14
2 replies
Are you retarded?
2021-09-28 18:05
1 reply
2021-09-28 18:34
#80
gla1ve | 
Denmark JKTP
Faze 2018? And i mean that failed because the players didn't believe in the IGL Imagine the ego of S1mple and NIKo and conflicts of role clashes with 2 lurkers and 2 awpers. This roster makes no sence. You can't just play deathmatch in 2021 CS, it doesn't work. That's why NAVI got stomped before they got a proper IGL
2021-09-28 11:10
3 replies
#9, Navi still don't have a proper igl. It's a mix of Boombl4, electronic and s1mple mid round calling. They do not have a traditional igl like karrigan or gla1ve.
2021-09-28 17:12
Not to mention the fact that FaZe 2017 had A LOT of success
2021-09-28 17:13
1 reply
Compared to what faze payed for the roster i wouldn't say so Also 2017 faze era is before Astralis revolutionized the game.
2021-09-28 17:44
there has never been a proper superteam
2021-09-27 23:02
You say that because of Faze I presume. A team which hired a superstar whiner. That +/- Which in my eyes makes Niko a highly overrated player. s1mple, who used to bring teammates down has evolved beyond this toxic whining shit, why can't Niko do the same?
2021-09-28 01:51
Too much ego imo
2021-09-27 23:02
1 reply
#126
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Lithuania Sedge
2021-09-28 18:30
#9
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Czech Republic imotfhere
"NiKo and rain were the only players who played like a god in that roster." HAHASDHASHDASDHASDHAHASH
2021-09-27 23:03
3 replies
thats facts karrigan - 0.8 rating igl olof - barely got in top20 in 2017, and after that he kept stopped playing the game every 3 months guardian - he did ok, but he wasn' t a god
2021-09-27 23:05
2 replies
#26
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Czech Republic imotfhere
guardian was a god and he was 2x times more consistent than rain i love rain he is very good player but he is popping of or he is ok/not ok at that time he was popping off but it wasn't every game sometimes he didn't had good game that happens to everyone right but guardian was very consistent getting 1-2 places rain was havin sometimes 30 bombs or he was under guardian who was very similiar to device he always got that kills that he had to get and got even the hardest guardian flicks if we are talking about 17/18 at 19 it was only niko popping off and guardian and rain playing ok
2021-09-27 23:09
1 reply
rain top4 2017 (GOD) guardian top9 2017 (Good) in 2018 guardian was better, but neither of them were a god
2021-09-28 01:39
TRUE SUPERTEAM Xertion shushan anarkez Spinx FlameZ
2021-09-27 23:03
3 replies
wheres refrez?
2021-09-27 23:05
2 replies
rebuilding Heroic with Sjuush after TeSes CadiaN and stavn are all banned. FREE HUNDEN
2021-09-27 23:09
1 reply
Freehunden
2021-09-28 14:42
#11
saffee | 
Brazil uezu
ego factory
2021-09-27 23:03
-Hobbit +me
2021-09-27 23:04
superego team s1mple sh1ro NiKo coldzera AleksiB biggest ego wins
2021-09-27 23:04
3 replies
sh1ro and aleksib has ego? proof?
2021-09-27 23:05
2 replies
aleksi not allowing other ideas if they are dumber than his, or other callers to call for example the old oddshot when Aleksi just yells SHUT UP and listen! Most hard calls and midround calls fall to sh1ro when nafany's strat fails, watch cams who yells into the mic the most - autistic kid with pillow behind his back lol
2021-09-27 23:08
1 reply
#70
KQLY | 
Other aidter
stewie as 6th player
2021-09-28 04:40
Bait/8
2021-09-27 23:04
By your logic football , nba etc other sports could do that too ! In fact Brooklyn Nets did it but it didnt work. It just doesnt work that way im afraid mr . Too much good is always bad
2021-09-27 23:05
3 replies
PSG did that and its working just fine this year
2021-09-27 23:06
1 reply
We must wait !
2021-09-27 23:13
first of all you have salary cap in basketball secondly there were super teams that worked like heats, celtics, bulls, warriors etc thirdly brooklyn is rly bad example bcs kyrie wasnt there and harden played with injury. he was nowhere near what he is normally. they would have probably won title last year if their big 3 would be available(btw i dont like nets but im kinda realistic)
2021-09-27 23:20
#21
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Korea jin67300
br braindead
2021-09-27 23:06
3 replies
ok BTS
2021-09-27 23:06
1 reply
Lmao
2021-09-28 04:35
#127
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Lithuania Sedge
2021-09-28 18:31
superteam zeus igl devilwalk znajder fifflaren dosia
2021-09-27 23:09
1 reply
#71
torzsi | 
Hungary anw_
wtf 19 majors
2021-09-28 06:05
this would not work 100%
2021-09-27 23:22
6 replies
dunno, even if they lose 4 members every round, the last one can 1v5 with impossible flicks and whatnot, and win the round
2021-09-28 00:15
5 replies
naah, it will not work like that, trust me.
2021-09-28 17:30
4 replies
I know it hasn't worked before, but it could work in theory
2021-09-28 17:39
3 replies
actually my superteam would be: karrigan (IGL, entry) Twistzz (Star player) NiKo (entry, hybrid) broky (AWPer) ropz (lurker) this team could work 100%
2021-09-28 17:56
2 replies
#134
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Finland heedblank
broky in a superteam when zywoo and s0mple exist haha
2021-09-28 21:03
1 reply
it's too much fire power and it will not work out. prob new cs fan.
2021-09-28 22:51
true superteam kqly forsaken emilio jamppi HUNDEN
2021-09-28 00:20
2 replies
Vsm 6 player
2021-09-28 03:13
kkkkkkkkkkk
2021-09-28 11:05
#34
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CIS imixiu
Imagine one team with the best igls 😀 1. gla1ve 2. Aleksib 3. karrigan 4. nafany 5. Apex
2021-09-28 00:23
2 replies
a lot of strats
2021-09-28 00:35
#41
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Finland Stonkamies
Or imagine team that has Hampus Karrigan ArT Aleksib/Boombl4 Apex All doing their fast pushes at the same time
2021-09-28 00:47
Money + Language + everyone would have to agree to it + stupid ass idea + nationlism
2021-09-28 00:23
aleksib/nafany as IGL.
2021-09-28 00:35
Astralis
2021-09-28 00:37
That wouldn't work
2021-09-28 00:46
>superteam >zywoo pick one
2021-09-28 00:48
1 reply
Foolish post only made to stir shit.. get laid.
2021-09-28 01:58
Niko is overrated as fuck. His individual skill is high, but there is something about him which makes the team he joins not improve much, or at all, despite him being a clear upgrade as individual.< gla1ve is still a much better pick. Hobbit - I am unsure how he performs outside of gambit, had he ever had any remote success with any other org? There is a ton of players who would could easily top him in a superstar team I strongly believe. His mechanics are surely surpassed by several dozens of players. He gets most kills from his positioning more than anything. And in pro CS, your positioning is not entirely individual, but highly influenced by coach and IGL.
2021-09-28 01:57
6 replies
he was always on gambit
2021-09-28 02:02
1 reply
Check his page, and update your knowledge my friend.
2021-09-28 03:03
The reason why I choose NiKo over other people is because he can frag and IGL at the same time if hobbit cant get at least 1.08+ rating, then they can switch him with twistzz/elige
2021-09-28 02:39
3 replies
I have never heard a single pro player praise his IGL skills. Which is direct opposite of gla1ve, whose IGL skills everyone praises.
2021-09-28 02:59
2 replies
guardian and olof praised niko many times
2021-09-28 03:01
1 reply
His IGL skills, never heard that. Anyway, I seriously doubt he is anything but average as IGL. And his mentality is below average for sure. People who tilt as hard as he does, brings his teammates down, no matter if it's only directed at himself or how hard they try to ignore it. He needs a lot more composure. I seriously think that "even" Fallen would be a much better pick. Niko is just not a natural leader by any standards whatsoever. Fallen & gla1ve are natural leaders. People who care little about themselves and their stats, and more about their teammates and their team. The way Niko tilts is a clear sign he emotionally puts himself above everything else. Even s1mple is showing more care for his team than he does, doesn't whine when he gets killed in weird ways, but instantly focuses on the team and his teammates.
2021-09-28 03:15
I could have sworn that I saw this thread before. Anyways, contracts stop that from happening but I think that this approach would work if it ever was to happen, yes they'd habe to figure out roles and stuff but they just have too much talent for this to fail imo
2021-09-28 02:14
7 replies
you probably saw it because I posted something like this before (but jonathan e removed it.. fuck him) thank you for being smart instead of crying "roles" like these normies are doing
2021-09-28 02:37
6 replies
So those who agree with you are smart, and those who doesn't are stupid?
2021-09-28 03:16
5 replies
exactly.. you sound smart kiddo
2021-09-28 03:23
4 replies
You don't, as I could probably your dad.
2021-09-28 03:24
3 replies
I dont think so, my dad doesnt use hltv
2021-09-28 03:25
2 replies
Which part of "could" did you not understand?
2021-09-29 06:36
1 reply
I dont know what you're talking about
2021-09-29 22:05
#50
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Australia Aquaaa
'roles are not relevant if everyone in your team frag very well' pls tell me ur joking bro, if not then ur a clown
2021-09-28 02:22
#51
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Brazil galaxysz
Fallen Fer Coldzera Taco Fnx
2021-09-28 02:34
6 replies
That was not a super team. Taco was playing the bitch roles to set his team up for success, and fNx was playing the support role in the team.
2021-09-28 11:34
5 replies
#101
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Brazil galaxysz
2 majors superteam
2021-09-28 17:52
4 replies
It wasn't a super team. You should take this as a compliment. Super teams don't work, and will never work in longevity for a team. fNx played the supportive element in the team and was considered to be one of the best clutches in the team. Taco played the primary entry of the team, which set his teammates behind up up for success.
2021-09-28 20:23
3 replies
#140
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Brazil galaxysz
i said this like a champion team, but the "superteams" with the best players around the world don't work
2021-09-29 00:55
2 replies
#101 You clearly said “super team”
2021-09-29 04:18
1 reply
#143
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Brazil galaxysz
yep but like a metaphor
2021-09-29 20:42
Superteam xantares issaa calyx woxic imoRR
2021-09-28 03:18
1 reply
kek
2021-09-28 03:25
#68
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France Keironical
This team won't work because of many reasons. First of all, who is gonna be the main awper?? Second, Niko left FaZe because he didn't want to be the Igl so whats the point of this superteam
2021-09-28 04:37
why didn't ronaldo join Mbappe neymar and messi 4Head
2021-09-28 04:38
+1 i agree but s1mple already on better team so no
2021-09-28 06:06
#74
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Finland KieZuZ
We could argue about the players, but in theory if you pick best player for given positions and roles then why not. I'm sure there are "star" -players who can do anchor and support roles when needed and still have that firepower when the time comes. For igl it is super hard to be fragging well tho. But it is not what you think. Like in football you dont take 5 of best goal finishers to your team. You take one exceptional and rest of them are there to give him best chances to finish.
2021-09-28 06:30
1 reply
> Like in football you dont take 5 of best goal finishers to your team PSG: "Hold my beer"
2021-09-28 06:35
Star player is a role You cant have 5 entries no more than 5 star players Closee
2021-09-28 11:04
I actually thought about how to make a (somewhat) realistic super team and the ones I came up with was Cadian (AWP, IGL) Pretty good individual, very consistent and has proven to be a good igl who knows how to juggle his star players very well S1mple (Lurker) The GOAT, has said he enjoys lurking more than awping because of the freedom that comes with the role ZywoO and NiKo (Switching between which one of them entries and which one goes second) NiKo best rifler in the world currently, and ZywoO has also said that he would rather rifle, but because noone else on Vitality are good enough at awping he has to do it. Perfecto (Support) Just the straight up best support player in the world The second roster I came up with was: Tabsen (IGL, Support) Amazing rifle igl with a great tactical mind. S1mple (AWP) Even though he likes lurking more he still likes awping and is currently the best at it in the world ZywoO and NiKo(Same as before) Perfecto (Support, Lurker) He just needs to play the role that he currently plays in Na´Vi which he is really good at I'd love to hear why you guys think this would/wouldn't work
2021-09-28 11:22
#83
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Portugal MGL257
2/8
2021-09-28 11:19
Astralis needed no stars to dominate the scene
2021-09-28 11:24
S1mple and zywoo in a team would never work
2021-09-28 11:33
#96
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Sweden HaasF1Team
SUPERTEAM Draken Rez Disco Doplan BARBARR Freddieb
2021-09-28 17:18
2 replies
freddietrashB and overrated disco doplan
2021-09-28 17:53
1 reply
So you understood my reference?
2021-09-28 18:25
#97
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Denmark LosAzdamoc
What about Eternal Fire?
2021-09-28 17:20
Even CURRENT nip would demolish that shit.
2021-09-28 17:54
1 reply
#117
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Sweden KennyKEX
nip destroy everyone ofcourse they are gonna beat this
2021-09-28 18:08
AleskiB S1mple Perfecto NiKo Hobbit
2021-09-28 17:57
#108
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United Kingdom DB_R20
UK SUPER TEAM ALEX Mezzi Smoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooya Thomas Surreal Mantuu if he counts, if not Mighty Max. Keita as coach.
2021-09-28 17:58
1 reply
#109
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United Kingdom DB_R20
6 man meta ofc
2021-09-28 17:58
#112
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Liberia rationale
Do you have extra $10-15 million? All these players are contracted. Their buyouts will be insane.
2021-09-28 18:01
You're dumb. Roles matter, BEACUSE IF YOU CAN'T PLAY B ON OVERPASS YOU CAN'T HAVE A 1.15 RAITING BECUASE SOMEONE HAS TO PLAY B ON OVERPASS.
2021-09-28 18:01
#114
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Poland mich34
s1mple zywoo niko yekindar sanji
2021-09-28 18:03
dev1ce dupreeh gla1ve xyp9x Magisk 2018-19
2021-09-28 18:08
1 reply
lol i swear i didnt look at this before posting my reply below
2021-09-28 18:10
here's a superteam 2018 astralis 3 superstars yet they still destroyed the entire scene
2021-09-28 18:10
1 reply
This, and actually gla1ve & xyp9x had their shining moments now and then.
2021-09-28 18:35
#122
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Greece CMi_
Superteams don't work anywhere. Look at PSG at football, too much ego, no one wants to take roles that wont give them many kills. Regardless superstars are used to being dropped guns by their teammates. Wouldn't work
2021-09-28 18:14
This already exist, NiP
2021-09-28 18:16
Navi is the only dominant superteam or closest to one right now. Everyone in the team is able to frag, and even boombl4 can hold his weight unlike many dedicated IGLs.
2021-09-28 18:34
#135
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Finland r1CEsT1CK
This team wouldn’t work. you need a dedicated and good igl who wants to igl. niko isn’t those.
2021-09-28 21:29
too many stars bro,it doesn't work
2021-09-28 22:52
hobbit igl > nik0 igl
2021-09-28 22:53
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