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HUNDEN UPDATE
Other JimC 
twitch.tv/videos/1163847583 Richard Lewis dropped some bombs regarding the update on the Heroic Hunden situation. He mentioned something interesting regarding niko whose now currently in OG. He mentioned how niko has a medical condition where he's unable to recall certain events accurately. (He mentioned how it is well-known in the Danish scene, to Hunden & Heroic. And, Hunden could've tried to exploit this by trying to call him, and try to convince niko in saying that "everyone knew". Extra information to add: the call between niko and Hunden happened on August 2021, which is 1 year after the coaching bug. There is also evidence that players within the Heroic team at the time wanted to leave the team after discovering that Hunden cheated. Borup was one of the said players, he's currently not in the team anymore. He also mentioned how the expert that was quoted on the "DDK" website, regarding Teses boosting Hunden in the server was misquoted. The expert actually says it "definitely" shows that Teses was in the server, not that he boosted Hunden. Davey was also in the video who talked about the possibility of Hunden using Teses's computer to boost himself since if you see the Heroic room, they all are in the same room.
2021-10-01 13:14
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#1
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Austria Ostmark
how many threads have you made about heroic/hunden?
2021-10-01 13:15
5 replies
Too many :) This is a big update though :D
2021-10-01 13:15
4 replies
fucking hunden. lost every small bit of respect
2021-10-01 13:42
3 replies
Oke
2021-10-01 13:43
2 replies
how are you so calm. a coach, someone who should be an uthority for younger players, basically abused mental illness to reach his filthy goals, this is just disturbing af
2021-10-01 13:47
1 reply
As I've mentioned above: "And, Hunden could've tried to exploit this by trying to call him, and try to convince niko in saying that "everyone knew". " I said he "could've tried" to exploit said medical condition. Cheerio :)
2021-10-01 13:49
#2
Ale | 
Finland ksiBOB
niko has what
2021-10-01 13:15
20 replies
Some kind of medical condition, wasn't fully revealed by Richard... still continuing to watching the twitch VOD that I pasted up there.
2021-10-01 13:16
17 replies
seems too much like a movie script for me to believe it
2021-10-01 13:18
16 replies
Movie script? How so? You don't think it's possible that he has a medical condition as such? Remember, the call between niko and Hunden happened on August 2021.
2021-10-01 13:19
13 replies
what a coincidence he has such condition and nobody talked about it earlier
2021-10-01 13:23
12 replies
Richard Lewis mentioned that the players were advised to not say anything publicly. I think if you have a medical condition like niko, do you really want to talk about it? Just look at your reaction, you wouldn't believe him would you if he said that publicly?
2021-10-01 13:25
10 replies
kkkkkk that's why I'm saying it sounds like a movie script
2021-10-01 13:26
9 replies
Movie script? Lmao, can't tell if you're baiting or what.
2021-10-01 13:26
8 replies
Like when directors use a poor excuse to solve the problem. Niko shoudn't saay anything so it is revealed he has a condition that he can't remember things? bruh that's poor writing. Even if it's real God should write better scripts
2021-10-01 13:28
7 replies
It wasn't just niko. The Heroic players were advised for them to be quiet.
2021-10-01 13:29
6 replies
tbh never heard of it until now. And if they were supposed to be quite how the fuck it was "well-known in danish scene"?
2021-10-01 13:37
5 replies
They were advised to be "quiet" on the Hunden situation. Regarding the niko situation, it was mentioned in the twitch VOD that it was well-known in the Danish scene.
2021-10-01 13:39
4 replies
Still find it weird that it is well-known in danish scene but it never got leaked or something :shrug: But whatever, hunden is just trying to create a drama and poor heroic now has no sponsors.
2021-10-01 13:40
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Why the hell would players or staff leak a players personal mental health issues? It was likely well known by everyone he had played with in the past as they experienced it first hand. How many personal health situations (not injuries) have been leaked in the past? I personally can not recall a single one, at least in CSGO(never followed source or 1.6)
2021-10-01 13:51
2 replies
It can just leak, by for example what happened yesterday with HS, you are in a call with some1 and you don't know if he streaming and you talkin to some1 else.
2021-10-01 13:55
After many years in our small local scene (1.6 years and such), i can confirm that many things are well known to insiders that the general public wouldn't have an idea of. This also happens in other sports as well, bigger ones even.
2021-10-01 13:58
#43
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Brazil yakd
Easy to solve, look at nikos demos and see how many smoke lineups he misses. But like srsly heroic would try to find everything to clean their name and players.
2021-10-01 13:28
+1
2021-10-01 13:19
1 reply
2021-10-01 13:20
naah surely this must be a bait
2021-10-01 13:17
1 reply
It's not a bait, watch the VOD. Everything I said above is disclosed in the first 40 minutes.
2021-10-01 13:20
#3
B1T | 
Spain ^Top1
Hunden is a lying idiot nothing new
2021-10-01 13:15
2 replies
#13
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Turkey ge4zy
Dane trying to protect their cheater team hahahahahaha.
2021-10-01 13:18
1 reply
nt
2021-10-01 18:09
respect borup
2021-10-01 13:16
10 replies
+1
2021-10-01 13:16
7 replies
#18
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Turkey ge4zy
Best about b0rup was when he was playing for Hyenas wearing a Heroic Jersey. Fking Legend.
2021-10-01 13:19
6 replies
He did?
2021-10-01 13:52
3 replies
Yeah he did. What a legend xD
2021-10-01 14:19
#143
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Finland Lindeni
Yeah he had to because he was still a Heroic player and I guess the org required him to wear their stuff with the sponsors and shit.
2021-10-01 21:57
1 reply
Oh ya that make sense. I think Bolts used immortals jersey when he stood-in for SK in 2017.
2021-10-02 02:54
Still under contract mabye?
2021-10-01 18:01
1 reply
yeah definitely. junior did the same, he was wearing a furia jersey when he was playing with bnb in pro league
2021-10-01 18:34
#14
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Brazil 1930
+1 definitely
2021-10-01 13:18
#128
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Poland hsal
+111111111
2021-10-01 17:56
#8
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Mongolia 7DoA
pls dont ban niko god
2021-10-01 13:17
3 replies
What was mentioned also in the Twitch VOD is that niko could get banned for self-incriminatory reasons of admitting that "everyone knew". Which is going to be pretty sad if he's indeed innocent and with his said medical condition.
2021-10-01 13:17
#17
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Austria Ostmark
nobody is going to get banned as hunden was already banned
2021-10-01 13:19
1 reply
+1 he already took one for the team
2021-10-01 13:30
I found it a little hypocritical that on his private stream Richard lewis always said " they definitely knew, how could you not get suspicious when your coach gives you perfect calls out of nowhere" and now yesterday he was like " yeah totally plausible they didn't know" but the insight he gave was very appreciated regardless
2021-10-01 13:17
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When Richard Lewis said "they definitely knew" I think I've seen that before. He was referring to the coaches that abused it like 100 times like the Hard Legion Coach if am not mistaken. Hunden abused it twice once against Spirit and the other against Astralis. In which he lost the one of said games despite abusing said bug.
2021-10-01 13:19
1 reply
No it was specifically when talking about the Hunden situation, I remember it very precisely. Opinions can change, it's not a big deal, but still, he went from 100% convinced that the players had to have known to a complete 180 of they could just have not known
2021-10-01 13:24
#21
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Brazil 1930
+1 this nothing new about RL being a snake but that's the perfect read on this
2021-10-01 13:19
1 reply
Him being a snake? How so? He's a reputable journalist. He's done phenomenal work in the Esports Scene, exposing the iBuypower match fixing scandal, recent NA match fixing scandal, disclosing more information regarding the NDA's on Heroic and the Heroic players.
2021-10-01 13:21
#FreeNikoFromGuantanamo
2021-10-01 13:18
Ok #BanCheatroicOrgAndCadianStavnTesses
2021-10-01 13:19
thanks for information men)))
2021-10-01 13:21
2 replies
Your welcome :) But I do think we have to credit Richard Lewis for his phenomenal work.
2021-10-01 13:23
1 reply
yeah thats the highquality journalism we need
2021-10-01 13:24
#27
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Sweden sn1pie
OMG if this is true HUNDEN is such a ass hole, and the fact that he does this to his old teammates that gave him a 2nd chance.
2021-10-01 13:22
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Richard Lewis said he got a lot of the documents from an anonymous source. The anonymous source as was framed to Richard was frustrated given how long it took for ESIC to reach a decision to ban the Heroic players. But, the documents that were given to him, showed evidence that the players made it clear they didn't want to play with a cheating Coach, after they discovered he was cheating.
2021-10-01 13:24
I wouldnt trust anyone of the ones involved, I would wait for what actually happens before coming to any conclusion
2021-10-01 17:42
bro you agian? is it your 4th thread ?
2021-10-01 13:24
3 replies
Read it! There are a lot of gems that I've written above. Credit to Richard Lewis for his good work.
2021-10-01 13:26
2 replies
i read , but its too many of you men :XD
2021-10-01 13:26
1 reply
XD XD XD This one is a real gem.
2021-10-01 13:27
Niko forgot he already had a meal for the last 23 years?
2021-10-01 13:26
1 reply
Read it more carefully Cheers :) Or watch the VOD.
2021-10-01 13:27
#42
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Germany TrTafitson
Stopped reading at Richard Lewis
2021-10-01 13:27
31 replies
Ok baiter Cheers :)
2021-10-01 13:28
30 replies
#47
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Germany TrTafitson
Not a baiter, just not respecting anything that hypocritical lunatic RL says or does
2021-10-01 13:29
29 replies
Hypocritical and lunatic? You blocked by him on Twitter? That's a big lapse of judgement from you. Maybe you should see his phenomenal journalistic work he's done for Esports. Go read what I've written above and make the judgement for yourself.
2021-10-01 13:30
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#94
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Germany TrTafitson
Not gonna discuss with blinded RL fanboys :)
2021-10-01 14:40
2 replies
Lmao, you know you've lost an argument when you call me a fan boy lmao.
2021-10-01 16:50
1 reply
"phenomenal journalistic work" /closed
2021-10-02 19:01
He has done a lot of good, but sometimes he is just acting like a retard on twitter and in his streams. I personally dont have anything against him, but i can kinda understand if someone doesnt like him.
2021-10-01 16:59
11 replies
He's just acting like a retard on twitter? Lmao
2021-10-01 17:15
10 replies
???????? sometimes he acts like a retard on twitter, what do you not understand lmao
2021-10-01 17:17
9 replies
Give me an example?
2021-10-01 17:27
8 replies
i really dont care enough to go through his tweets lmao
2021-10-01 17:28
7 replies
Lmao, you make that wild accusation, and now you don't have any evidence to back you up. If you can say that he acted like a retard, surely have just one tweet to back it up?
2021-10-01 17:30
6 replies
there are those kinda tweets, and you know that aswell ;) also #111
2021-10-01 17:34
5 replies
No, I don't know the tweets you're talking about. But thanks for making a claim without evidence backing you up. Cheers :)
2021-10-01 17:35
4 replies
No point in me linking tweets to you when you would 100% disagree or make up some other bs lmao According to you Rlewis has never done anything bad, only good. That's enough to tell that you are biased. No need to answer btw, i cba to talk to biased Jimbos
2021-10-01 17:39
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Wow, you went from making a claim without any evidence. To making up a claim regarding the fact that I said that Lewis has never done anything bad. I simply asked for evidence, if that's too difficult to ask. I think it says a lot about you as a person.
2021-10-01 17:40
2 replies
yes. me on hltv = me irl bold claim with no evidence to back it up bro
2021-10-01 17:41
1 reply
Thank you again for making assumptions with no evidence to back it up. You not wanting to provide evidence, and making up stuff about me saying that Rlewis has never done anything bad in his life. It does show what kind of person you are. Here's the evidence: #114 and #116. You were the one that made the claim that you on HLTV = You in IRL. Cheers :)
2021-10-01 17:45
+1 hes a crazy alcoholic
2021-10-01 13:32
12 replies
Feels bad for you man.
2021-10-01 13:53
11 replies
who are you his boyfriend
2021-10-01 14:36
10 replies
Name checks out
2021-10-01 16:50
7 replies
keep fighting for your boyfriend its honorable
2021-10-01 16:52
6 replies
Typical Rlewis hater lmao. You don't have any solid arguments so you call me his boyfriend lmao. Cry is free mate
2021-10-01 17:14
5 replies
lmao you think I even follow this guy, look how much you have defended him in this thread alone. You need mental help
2021-10-01 18:19
4 replies
You called me his boyfriend. You couldn't even make one coherent argument. You resort to calling me the need of mental help. Feels bad for a baiter like you.
2021-10-01 18:27
3 replies
argument about what exactly LOL you got emotional over him being a crazy alcholic
2021-10-01 18:30
2 replies
Emotional? You called me his boyfriend as a way to insult me. Which is funny to see, given the lack of your abilities to create proper coherent arguments.
2021-10-01 18:32
1 reply
again arguements about what LOL you RL fans are a different bread of crazy... no wonder hes an alcoholic
2021-10-01 18:33
#117
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Slovakia Daev0n
+1 the dude sounds like RL alt or something
2021-10-01 17:39
1 reply
Accusing me being Rlewis alt. Shows that you can't substantiate arguments.
2021-10-02 07:49
they all knew and all cheated. Most of them just trying to save their reps
2021-10-01 13:31
1 reply
Do you have evidence to back up your claim?
2021-10-01 13:40
noted
2021-10-01 13:40
1 reply
Cheers :)
2021-10-01 13:42
#59
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Sweden GabM
I don’t care about rlewis
2021-10-01 13:43
3 replies
You blocked on Twitter by him? Still salty?
2021-10-01 13:44
2 replies
#70
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Sweden GabM
Not salty at all. He never shows up in my Twitter no more.
2021-10-01 13:56
1 reply
Stay salty lmao
2021-10-01 13:56
Not cool to have your medical condition revevaled to the public like that, kinda fucked up from RL if he didn't ask niko before telling everybody
2021-10-01 13:45
5 replies
He revealed it as a way to defend niko. I understand where you're coming from though. :)
2021-10-01 13:46
#118
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Slovakia Daev0n
+1 As a journalist he should know that.
2021-10-01 17:40
#144
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Finland Lindeni
What's more fucked, the fact RL revealed it or that Hunden tried to exploit it to get Heroic boys banned?
2021-10-01 22:11
2 replies
I read the report, my cousin has that condition (not sure why people arent naming it but i dont want to get merced) and if someone pressured him like hunded did niko I would destroy him
2021-10-18 16:10
1 reply
#161
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Finland Lindeni
Hunden = biggest piece of shit in the scene
2021-10-18 18:57
I wish that most of the truth comes out! I looks so bad for hunden atm.
2021-10-01 13:57
1 reply
Yes
2021-10-01 14:02
#75
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Thanks for the update. :) Some interesting information about nikolai I had no idea about previously...
2021-10-01 14:03
4 replies
Hey Jonty!
2021-10-01 14:04
3 replies
#77
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Greetings, friend. :D How have you been? :)
2021-10-01 14:05
2 replies
It's been great! How you been? I assume you rooting for NIP in this IEM Fall EU tournament?
2021-10-01 14:06
1 reply
#79
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Been good over here. ^^ iEM Fall EU has been excellent thus far, lots of incredibly tense BO1's going back and forth. ^^ I'm rooting for all of the best teams in Fall EU but I'll be keeping my eye on NiP closely to see how they are doing. ;)
2021-10-01 14:09
looks to me like they all knew about this but esic and everyone else involved in the case will now try to shut it down quitely. drama like this is not good for cs esports so they will just hide it
2021-10-01 14:10
The niko memory thing seems pretty ridiculous, but most of what you've said checks out with the info I have. Also I want to know who tf that 'expert' TV2 talked to was, whoever they are, they're absolutely fucking stupid and really shouldn't be messing with anything like this
2021-10-01 14:13
6 replies
The expert was not the one in the wrong. He was misquoted by the journalist. But the smart thing that the DDK did was that they said that this isn't "evidence".
2021-10-01 14:15
5 replies
The article was badly written, but I'm lucky enough to know more than most, and although I wasn't told the identity of the expert, they did believe that TeSeS was involved in the cheating, even though the serverlogs and demos prove otherwise, and it really isn't hard to determine that from them. The whole thing was a shitshow caused by clout-hungry idiots who don't know shit about CS. Now, it's polarised the community over the issue, and the Heroic guys have got death threats (I don't think they got too much tho), but the haccusations are pretty bad, and baseless. TV2 should at least do their best to fix their mess
2021-10-01 14:22
4 replies
Yes, as Rlewis mentioned in the VOD that I posted above. He said that TV2 mentioned that it was not evidence, which gave them a leeway.
2021-10-01 14:27
3 replies
TV2 essentially said that HUNDEN got into a position which is possible to get into on your own, but that he didn't know how to do it that way and was aided by a teammate. The finger of blame was pointed at TeSeS as he joined the server early. Sure, TV2 can say 'it's not evidence' but they sure as hell acted like it was hard evidence. Journalism today has all gone to shit:/ With the exception of The Week - great source of news tbh, but no esports
2021-10-01 14:30
2 replies
Looks like I was right regarding the medical condition lmao
2021-10-18 12:00
1 reply
Yep, glad he's cleared
2021-10-18 12:45
Shit reads like a subpar anime plot lol
2021-10-01 14:14
1 reply
especially the niko memory thing lol
2021-10-01 14:18
so niko cant remember events clearly.... but can remember all sorts of tactics, nade lineups, strats etc etc across like 6 different maps.... especially under a super tactical igl that uses alot of well made defaults... k
2021-10-01 14:20
2 replies
#96
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United States _intaKe
i dont see anything wrong with that
2021-10-01 14:44
read the report and you will see his condition, it'll make more sense after that. it has to do with social pressure
2021-10-18 16:12
Hey mate. How are you nowadays? And holy shit, this is big. Never knew of Niko's condition but that should clear him up. Great, I really liked the guy. Also, could you please clarify, does this make Teses innocent or more guilty in the eyes of the investigation? Glad to see RL doing some great journaling rn :)
2021-10-01 14:21
1 reply
Regarding Teses situation. It becomes a very murky situation, due to the lack of substantial evidence to implicate him beyond a reasonable doubt.
2021-10-01 14:26
#92
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Vietnam K3v1nduc12
I don't know man, it makes me more confusing about this scandal. I remember that a month ago, all the players of Heroic knew about this bug but they tend to ignore with a lot of proof about niko's conversation or a log recorded that Teses helped HUNDEN to do that but after this post it seems like all of Heroic's players were forced to do that? It is kinda messed up
2021-10-01 14:32
1 reply
niko's conversation doesn't convict the players.
2021-10-01 17:31
#95
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United Kingdom julz!
how the fuck does niko play cs with a medical condition that makes him forget stuff
2021-10-01 14:41
1 reply
I think that he forget stuff that happened like weeks or month ago Maybe but i am clearly not an expert
2021-10-01 15:18
#98
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United States Rayduh
LMAO i don't believe this
2021-10-01 15:19
1 reply
Name checks out
2021-10-01 17:15
stopped reading after a grammatical error in paragraph one.
2021-10-01 16:52
1 reply
Where did I make a grammatical error?
2021-10-01 17:15
Hmmm ok but why
2021-10-01 17:16
Lmao. Niko going for the insanity plead. I hope this shit goes to court. "medical condition where he's unable to recall certain events accurately" xaxaxaxaxaxa! well if that isn't some bullshit! let me guess, one of these certain events he cannot recall is any kind of CS:GO bug abuse?
2021-10-01 17:47
2 replies
If you read what I stated above, it was not niko making the plea argument. But flair checks out. Can't expect anything from a person who loves a cheater like Hunden.
2021-10-01 17:48
1 reply
haha, my hunden flair is just a meme. he's obviously a cunt, but so is the entire heroic org including the players.
2021-10-01 17:49
I have a medical condition that makes me forget precise smoke and flash lineups on Nuke t-side! Now my team can't get mad at me anymore!
2021-10-01 17:51
1 reply
Flair checks out
2021-10-02 07:46
so basically, heroic players didnt cheat, hunden did, hes a snake, end of case heroic haters malding
2021-10-01 17:52
i want to see cadian suffer
2021-10-01 17:57
Hunden such a dog
2021-10-01 18:06
#133
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Canada firtlast
medical condition eh
2021-10-01 18:10
2 replies
Yes, I guess I am right after all
2021-10-18 12:02
1 reply
#158
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Canada firtlast
my medical condition doesn’t allow me to understand your comment.
2021-10-18 16:07
The evidence for Heroic players knowing about the bug is very weak it seems.
2021-10-01 18:18
1 reply
Yes, that's what Richard Lewis has been reiterating for a while, even if they're guilty. The evidence isn't sufficient enough to convict the players.
2021-10-02 07:46
#135
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Argentina WaSTe_D
Did niko told him he has this memory problem thing or someone else? First time i heard of these
2021-10-01 18:18
1 reply
Richard found out, but he didn't disclose how he found out.
2021-10-02 07:46
Nice update on news, ty :) I am interested in this story but don't actively follow it so this post was very good for me B-)
2021-10-01 18:35
1 reply
Cheers mate :)
2021-10-02 07:45
Hmmm ok
2021-10-02 07:52
1 reply
I WAS RIGHT!
2021-10-18 12:02
#157
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Sweden EntonXD
Good post. You should know that the coach bug could have been done without teses help too. I dont have time to watc hthe whole 2 hours are there any good timestamps for some topics?
2021-10-18 12:53
good job bro
2021-10-19 05:15
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