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This is why it's wrong to overrate someone just because they are a legend of the game. He has done nothing on LAN and you all go silent but will criticize others for less.
2021-10-02 21:26
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what do you ask from grandpa?
2021-10-02 21:27
so true
2021-10-02 21:27
the most overrated player of all time even pasha was better entire his career
2021-10-02 21:27
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#5
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Ukraine Ch1caqO
Flag checks out
2021-10-02 21:28
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2021-10-02 21:28
stop taking drugs bro
2021-10-02 21:29
#14
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Denmark Alphamon
lmao no. pasha was decent but always in the shadow of neo and taz even while being the awper. f0rest > pasha in both 1.6 and go. For the op: they just performed badly as a team, he had one bad game yesterday and was alright individually vs OG. He's been their best performer for months now and then he suddenly has a few bad games and the hltv experts start jumping to conclusions. Your sample size is simply not sufficient enough.
2021-10-02 21:31
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+1
2021-10-02 21:32
bullshit lmao
2021-10-02 21:33
i think OP is talking about just now because otherwise you are flat out wrong
2021-10-02 21:37
#50
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Netherlands poeya1
pasha = trash lol
2021-10-02 21:45
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not trash, but not as successful as f0rest
2021-10-03 11:06
f0rest is much better than pasha, similar to neo, both is great but here is no place for pasha.
2021-10-03 11:05
wtf u on about he didnt play bad at all , he held A quite well when he got attacked and on T side he got killed by some insane shots by mantu or flamez cant help that shit ... dignitas wouldve won if flamez didnt have such a monster game
2021-10-02 21:28
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Nothing special compared to the claims made about him. Don't cry.
2021-10-02 21:28
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idk whos claims or u read or about what to make this thread but at his age he is still destroying kids in t2 t3 and still decent in t1 and thats a fact
2021-10-02 21:30
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Decent =/= goat. /close
2021-10-02 21:30
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but he has goat status for his OVERALL carreer and that is a fact aswell , ofc he wont beat s1mple or zywoo now but if u put 1.6 f0rest neo vs s1mple or zywoo they might be better
2021-10-02 21:32
#20
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Denmark Alphamon
He's been at the absolute top of the game for over 16 years now, all the claims are warranted.
2021-10-02 21:32
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He hasn't been in the top for 5 to almost 6 years now. Never #1 in go. I don't care about 1.6, and even in 1.6 he was #1 only once (if you can say that since HLTV didnt do top 20 lists for most of 1.6 time) while NEO had multiple #1s. All your claims are based on nostalgia and fairytales and not in reality. Keep overrating legends to make yourself feel better. /close
2021-10-02 21:35
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#59
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Denmark Alphamon
I don't need to make myself feel better, what are you even on about lmfao. I've followed the pro scene since 2004 so I know what I'm talking about. You not caring about 1.6 and conveniently leaving out statistics from the past few months just to fit your narrative says everything I need to know. There's been nothing but praise for the guy for years, because he has objectively been performing well. Now he has one bad tourney and the haters jump out to bash him, like clockwork. So predictable, really. If you followed 1.6 you'd know the margin between f0rest and neo was pretty much nonexistent. G5 achieved more as a team, but individually they were pretty much neck and neck. f0rest has a 1.16 rating past three months, only .02 behind hallzerk. He's been DIG's most consistent player for god knows how long now. But I guess it was convenient for you to post this thread now, since he underperformed slightly in four games. I know statistics may not be your strongest suit, but at least make an effort here.
2021-10-02 21:55
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/open I don't even need to make an effort to refute your delusional garble. You claimed he "has been at the top of his game for 16 years now" top =/= farming vs t2 and t3 bots doesn't count. "One bad tourney" = The only tourney that matters, LAN vs legit T1 teams. You're probably one of those stuck in nostalgia who cry when people criticize the players you grew up with. You probably think 1.6 is better than go as well. Let me give you some advice, let go off the past and things will get much easier. Have a good night! /close
2021-10-02 22:00
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you sound desperate
2021-10-02 22:10
#64
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Denmark Alphamon
You're not in a position to open or close discussions, nor do you decide when a debate or argument is concluded. I base my opinions and views on objective facts. I will correct myself a bit tho, he's been at the top of his game _individually_ for +16 years now, even when his teams have faltered. Such consistency is unheard of, especially considering many older pros have heavily declined in skill. Many pros that I watched back then are absolute garbage now, I fully acknowledge that. f0rest doesn't fall into that category as of right now. Of course T1 LAN tourneys matter the most, no one is denying that. You can't draw conclusions from one tourney though, it's not even close to being an adequate sample size. Do you draw the same conclusions when a T1 team, such as Na`Vi for instance, bombs out of a tourney in the group stage? Of course not, because that doesn't simply make sense. I have no idea why you're not extending the same courtesy to individual players then. My perfect CS would be a mix of both 1.6 and GO. 1.6 had less restricted movement, which I heavily preferred. Kills were also more satisfying, in GO they just kinda drop dead without proper feedback. GO has the advantage when it comes to utility, shooting mechanics (most of them), basic quality of life features and of course a more blooming pro scene. Also I agree, living in the past, or the future for that matter is rather dumb. The present is all there is :)
2021-10-02 22:13
f0rest is a rookie tbh, seen better players in silver.
2021-10-02 21:28
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All stone age players currently suck, a clear example that the game and the competition became more difficult, so winning a major in 2013-2016 does not seem like a great achievement tbh
2021-10-02 21:30
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yeah pretty much most MM casuals could win a major now if you were to place them in a 2013 major.
2021-10-02 21:32
think those lockdowns are getting to you m8
2021-10-02 21:51
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I was joking but yeh most probably.
2021-10-03 11:03
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Europe Daudy
Bruh he plays for dig becaue he likes playing CS not becase he wants to be the best... Its clear as day he doesnt have the motivation to grind 15 hours a day. Now he grinds like 10 and is with his family rest of the time
2021-10-02 21:29
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I have nothing bad to say about f0rest, i am talking about his fanboys. I know his place and where he's at in his career atm, i'm not asking him to carry Dig to a major win.
2021-10-02 21:32
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#28
GrOgY | 
Europe Daudy
I know but it looks like knock on f0rest from your side.
2021-10-02 21:35
+1 they expect the guy to grind like s1mple lol..
2021-10-02 21:33
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#26
GrOgY | 
Europe Daudy
yeah even simple doesnt grind like simple anymore lmao. Most grind insane player was probably yekindar during lockdown
2021-10-02 21:34
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+1 Yekindar was a fucking machine in Lockdown. Other examples are probably the youngsters in Gambit.
2021-10-02 21:37
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GrOgY | 
Europe Daudy
I think when it comes to pure grind yekindar takes the crown. From what i have heard he did almost literally nothing else than play CS when in lockdown.
2021-10-02 21:38
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And the seeds of insane grinding did get reaped. Became the most talked about player in the world for a solid month or two. So, can we agree that in order for Yekindar to get back into super entry fragger form, he just needs to go on another insane grind? One that preferably doesn't run his health xD
2021-10-02 21:41
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GrOgY | 
Europe Daudy
That depends. He grinded because he had nothing else to do. Now when he can socialise he lost lots of motivation to stay inside and sit behind PC 24/7. But there is a chance after era of lockdowns ends that he will be "satisfied" and grind slightly more? IDK how to put it but you probably get what i mean
2021-10-02 21:44
Machine said the same thing on Vitality vs ENCE game, Its not wrong. He had a nice career, Its not the same anymore.
2021-10-02 21:34
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GrOgY | 
Europe Daudy
Nice? They guy is probably most CS talented player ever. Was top dog in most competitive versions of the game. He was undisputed top2 in 1.6 and top5 rifler in NIP for very long time. He has won it all except for IGS that was introduced when he was already kinda not giving a fuck about the game so...
2021-10-02 21:37
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By 'nice' I'm not limiting him, Its a form of expression but you get my point.
2021-10-02 21:39
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#39
GrOgY | 
Europe Daudy
Tru but its like calling some 20/10 chick nice looking, it sounds like you are lowballing it but yeah nice doesnt exclude insane
2021-10-02 21:44
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Tbh I probably would call a 20/10 chick just nice some people would understand why.
2021-10-02 21:44
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#48
GrOgY | 
Europe Daudy
Fair enough i guess its the difference in how we use our vocabulary.
2021-10-02 21:44
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Yes, very much so.
2021-10-02 21:45
He’s been super underwhelming in IEM fall hope he can get a nice bounce back game
2021-10-02 21:31
0/8 f0rest is still good and should join nip /closed thread
2021-10-02 21:32
f0rest young talent can he be pro?
2021-10-02 21:33
Delusional wtf
2021-10-02 21:34
f0rest could play in tier 1 if he wants, but i believe he just are chilling and enjoying life
2021-10-02 21:35
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Nothing wrong with that, but judge him accordingly not like some t1 god. /close
2021-10-02 21:38
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he would be a god on t1 anyday.
2021-10-02 21:50
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/open IEM Fall proves otherwise, unless your definition of day differs from that of normal people. /close
2021-10-02 21:51
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#60
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Denmark Alphamon
Insufficient sample size, especially considering past performances. Let's talk in three months.
2021-10-02 21:58
right, s1mple sucks too, see: hltv.org/matches/2338363/vitality-vs-nat.. 0.3 rating on nuke, lol, noob.
2021-10-02 22:07
lul
2021-10-02 21:36
that guy is oldest and stopped playing t1 matches year and half ago because of family, even then he always remains top or second best fragger in dig/nip. he stepped down from nip to enjoy with his fam, he already won everything , became legend and now just enjoys playing cs.. you cant expect him to carry dig now, his days r gone thats why he is legend . and if u have problem with his fans then u have problem with most of cs pros as they grew up watching him and making him as their idol. so yeah stop hating legends and just enjoy the game
2021-10-02 21:39
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#18 /close
2021-10-02 21:41
0/8
2021-10-02 21:41
f0rest is the absolute biggest legend of CS and it is indisputable, no matter when/where he decides to retire.
2021-10-02 21:42
"He has done nothing on LAN" Literally the first LAN in YEARS?!
2021-10-02 21:42
0/8
2021-10-02 21:43
0/8 f0rest legend
2021-10-02 21:47
done nothing on lan? XD -20000000000/8
2021-10-02 21:47
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0/8 /close
2021-10-02 21:50
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+1 close this shit.
2021-10-02 21:50
+99999999999999999999999999999999999 Finally someone with a brain on this site
2021-10-02 21:49
#68
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Faroe Islands staxus
>"He has done nothing on LAN" >Literally best/2nd best LAN performer of NiP in 2019 when LAN's were still a thing. >First LAN in almost 2 years with below average performance = f0rest overrated. You are an idiot, sorry. hltv.org/stats/players/events/29/f0rest?..
2021-10-03 11:34
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