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Boundaries for tiers
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Spain imanol08 
Where is the boundarie that separates Tier 1 and 2?? Top 10 HLTV, Top 20??, historical aspect of a team in spite of their current state (fnatic f. ex), ESL Ranking?? What do you think?
2021-10-16 11:48
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Top 20 tier 1, top 30 tier 2 (in my opinion)
2021-10-16 11:49
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+1
2021-10-16 11:49
But take for example Movistar Riders or Copenhagen Flames. I think they are not in Tier 1 yet, really close but not yet. The thing is that the ranking is very volatile, it can change a lot for these teams in one week or two, and to be Tier 1 you should be consistent imo. If MRS and CPH manage to play in the same level they are gonna be T1 for sure.
2021-10-16 11:51
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Thats true
2021-10-16 11:56
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That said tho, they have shown us that they are very capable of beating Tier 1 godlike teams (see CPH vs Gambit or MRS vs G2 and almost NiP)
2021-10-16 11:57
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Yea, CPH and Movistar are soon gonna be T1 team imo, they shown us they are capable of doing so
2021-10-16 11:58
T1 players might also make a team T1 despite their performance???
2021-10-16 11:49
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Like in the case of COL or Fnatic
2021-10-16 11:53
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Denmark NipoCS
at this point i think every team in the top 25 is tier 1, they can compete and can be a threat to anyone.
2021-10-16 11:50
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Nice point, and do you consider a Tier S for teams like Navi or Gambit, f ex????
2021-10-16 11:52
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Denmark NipoCS
Well navi 90% of the time they win against teams in tier one, but sometimes they lose to tier1 teams they not suppose to like spirit or they almost got beat by entropiq, so i consider them the world best, but tier 1 is like the final tier for me, else i just say rank1 or top5 team.
2021-10-16 11:56
#9
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Austria Ostmark
except for navi
2021-10-16 11:54
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Develop pls
2021-10-16 11:56
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Navi when not choking + not saving strats + not being carried by 1 person (you know what I mean) = unstoppable force. Prime Astralis is the only thing that can compete against this Navi.
2021-10-16 14:40
Tier 1 means constantly being in the play offs of the big tournaments
2021-10-16 11:53
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I think consistency is a must to be Tier 1
2021-10-16 11:56
Tier 1 are the team who've been in the top20 for several months and have participated in a lot of tier 1 events, and have consistent tier1 results TIER 1: GAMBIT, NIP, VITALITY, G2, FAZE, HEROIC, VIRTUS PRO, OG, BIG, LIQUID,MOUSESPORTS, SPIRIT TIER 1.5 : ENCE, FORZE, ENTROPIQ, FIEND, GODSENT TIER 2: FNATIC, SKADE, GODSENT, SINNERS, COL, DBL TIER 2.5 : DIG, LDLC, EG, LYNGBY .... EDIT : DBL NOW T2
2021-10-16 12:13
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DBL,LDLC TIER 2.5 LUL
2021-10-16 12:06
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yeah maybe DBL t2
2021-10-16 12:13
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lol, both are tier3
2021-10-16 12:19
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sure...
2021-10-16 13:20
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seems like many people can't categorize tiers tier1 = teams capable of winning the best events, not top20 teams lul
2021-10-16 13:24
I think that if you consider Fiend T1.5, Sinners should also be Tier 1.5 Imo Sinners is much better team than Fiend. DBL did a great Flashpoint winning quite a lot so they are also t1.5 for me, i havent seen them in a while tho.
2021-10-16 12:10
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sinners good results are too new same for DBL even if DBL are consistently having good results in t1 they're not in T1 enough
2021-10-16 12:13
navi not even on the list lmao
2021-10-16 12:21
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Brazil Khart
Furia T1
2021-10-16 12:56
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Struggling in Europe even if they're dominating in NA. Especially with their tumultuous roster changes (EPL 17-20th, Malta 5-8th)
2021-10-16 13:19
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CIS elefiveS
fiend and godsent arent t1.5 lmao. they are both t2
2021-10-16 13:51
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we'll see at major, but godsent seems as good as furia, if not better fiend is kinda inconsistent but they can take down big teams
2021-10-16 14:34
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CIS elefiveS
? they got demolished by furia in the RMR and fiend isnt even better than skade
2021-10-16 14:43
top 15 t1 top 30 t2-ish.
2021-10-16 12:15
I don't think it's something that's set in stone. The scene will go through phases where there are more elite teams and less elite teams but more "good" teams as a result. I think a team who is regularly making playoffs of large events is a tier 1 team. There are often "gatekeeper" teams who will normally lose to Tier 1 but will normally beat the teams below them; you can call that tier 1.5 if you want. Tier 2 will be teams who perform well at smaller events and often qualify for big events (although qualification is easier outside of Europe so bear that in mind).
2021-10-16 12:17
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That's true, it's something very volatile and very subjective so it's difficult to set them in certain tiers. I really like your reflection.
2021-10-16 12:24
Copenhagen flames, sinners and movistar are becoming tier 1
2021-10-16 12:18
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tier2*
2021-10-16 12:19
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I think they have already passed tier 2 and that they are T1.5 If they keep performing like this they are gonna be Tier 1
2021-10-16 12:23
"are becoming"
2021-10-16 12:51
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they are becoming tier2, not tier1
2021-10-16 13:03
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0/8 you bait harder than sh1ro
2021-10-16 13:48
It depends, you can't just say that for example top 10 teams are tier 1. In 2018 for example Astralis was the only tier 1 team and the rest were tier 2+. At some points there might not be any teams dominating and then maybe the top 15 teams are tier 1. And some teams are very inconsistant and play like a tier 1 team some days and like a tier 2 team other days, but are still in the top 10. I never really liked ranking teams in tiers.
2021-10-16 12:22
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The tiers being so subjective it's difficult to divide teams in them. The HLTV weekly ranking is better in that sense.
2021-10-16 12:26
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Greece RedWinter
Tier 1 are teams that constantly play in tier 1 tournaments and also occasionally make the playoffs, so I'd draw the line at ENCE and exclude Spirit, EG, Fnatic. Tier 1.5 are teams that constantly play in tier 1 but most of the time aren't good enough to make the playoffs (so the teams I just mentioned) Tier 2 are teams around top 20-40 who frequently make the playoffs of t2 events such as pinnacle cup, elisa, etc. So it's Copenhagen Flames, Entropiq, DBL Poney, AGO, Lyngby Vikings, Fiend, SKADE etc Tier 3 are teams that play in t2 tournaments but most of the time don't make the playoffs. (SaW, Eternal Fire, etc) Tier 4 is anything below.
2021-10-16 12:22
tier 1 = teams that constantly makes it to playoffs tier 2 = teams that play in tier 1 events, and maybe makes it to playoffs once in a while, but they are not contendors for winning the event tier 3 = teams that nevee qualify to big events
2021-10-16 12:22
tier 1 teams are the most consistent at winning the big events matches. tier 2 teams are half consistent than tier 1 tier 3 teams are inconsistent
2021-10-16 13:08
Top 1-15/20 but not a weekly ranking but for example 3 months. In order to be a T1 team, it would be appropriate to have some decent results on T1 events consistently.
2021-10-16 14:03
if you are regularly playing tier 1 events then i think its a tier 1 team
2021-10-16 14:35
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so this also includes teams that win tier 2 events, but finish 0-3 (or 0-5 or whatever) in every tier 1 event?
2021-10-16 14:48
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I know what you mean… teams that mostly play tier 2 but slip into tier 1 events via open/closed qualifier, no cuz they don’t play them all
2021-10-16 17:28
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well, they can regularly play tier 1 events but also regularly get completely destroyed in them
2021-10-17 10:17
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Yeah those team i mean, endpoint, maybe fiend
2021-10-17 11:41
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so are they tier 1 or tier 2
2021-10-17 11:47
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Tier 2 mens
2021-10-17 15:45
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but then they're tier 2 teams regularly playing tier 1 events, so your definition needs some adjusting
2021-10-17 16:20
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Yeah I did at #51!
2021-10-17 16:25
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oh. but no tier 1 team plays all tier 1 tournaments either, because it'd be burnout. some tier 2 teams play a lot of tier 1 events and consistently finish last, because tier 1 events usually have some tier 2 teams too. some events even have member teams, so they get in no matter what their team is looking like. participating in enough tier 1 events doesn't really make you tier 1, rather it's doing relatively well in those events
2021-10-17 16:29
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if you MOSTLY play tier 1 tournaments is what i mean XD astralis does not play all of them but most of the tournaments they do play are tier 1... you get what i mean?
2021-10-17 17:37
#50
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Denmark SmartKiddo
+1
2021-10-16 14:57
If there are boundaries, it's not Top 10/Top 20/Top whatever. It has to be rating. Because, for example, if the team ranked 9th has zero chance to win against the top opponents, then clearly they're not tier 1 even though they're top 10. Or could be that tier 1 contains more than 10 teams. In a highly competetive era there are more top tier teams than in a less competetive era. The tier boundaries depend on how good the teams are, and rating is a better way to account for that than rank. Ofc rating isn't optimal, and there are many ways to draw the boundary, but all of them are more or less arbitrary.
2021-10-16 14:47
Its about what tier events you attend Tier 1 attends tier 1 events like ESL cologne or Blast finals consistently, teams ranging from Navi to OG or Faze Tier 2 attends tier 2 events consistently, sometimes making it into tier 1 events, rarely performing too highly at them tho. Tier 2 Ranges from teams like Ence to teams like lyngby vikings Tier 3 are the teams that dont even make tier 2 events every time and are never in tier 1 events, tier 3 teams also never win any events
2021-10-16 14:50
#58
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Sweden drakendilf
Nip faze vitality astralis tier 1 lan gods Gambit navi g2 heroic tier 2 onliners
2021-10-17 16:27
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