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Heroic and cheating
Denmark Fingernem 
So ECSI found nothing on the players, except that niko admitted to helping and knowledge of the bug abuse. This is so ridiculous and just show that you can cheat all you want in CS:GO as a player and you will not get any consequences, unless you get caught by VAC.... This lack of consequences will be the doom of CS:GO
2021-10-18 09:30
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And he got away cause autisme... pisses me off honestly cause why can be a pro if never can get banned can just keep use that excuse
2021-10-18 09:32
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This is just ECSI and volvo's way of saying - cheat all you want we only go after none players
2021-10-18 09:33
#3
Jame | 
Belarus XessXLX
it's not a problem to ban coaches so they did that, they are not players anyway but for actual pros they are too pussy, there would be a lot of proceedings they wouldn't like to participate in
2021-10-18 09:34
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#53
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Russia RogueDecay
interesting take, basically coaches are whipping boys in ESIC practices.
2021-10-18 12:43
#4
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Sweden GabM
Link or reported
2021-10-18 09:35
2 replies
2021-10-18 09:37
true
2021-10-18 09:40
#7
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Ukraine Alexandro21
ESIC being useless as always lmao.
2021-10-18 09:42
People get banned for no reason. Im thinking about Swag and Jampi, Valve is pretty shiet as we all know. Either way people gonna hate if they cheat or not. People thought gambit cheated. People even considered astralis cheating cuz of so much dmg through smokes and shit
2021-10-18 09:49
2 replies
But when there is evidence of cheating there is still no consequences. All the "the team is cheating" cause they beat my favorite team comments, will always be there because the age of spectators in the sport.
2021-10-18 09:52
1 reply
of course. Either that or people just find dumb reasons id say. Lets just say if for example s1mple would say ''Hehehe, yes i wallbanged dust 2 from ct to suicide through middoors without info midround because i cheat`` obviously would be a sarcastic take/obvious joke. But they could say ¨oh he said it himself, so ban him'' Sorry its early in the morning and ive slept shit and hella exausted. My wording could be pretty bad
2021-10-18 10:38
Im not sure if you can trust the whole autism excuse that they brought up. Why does it not affect him ingame for example?
2021-10-18 09:55
11 replies
The fact that server logs show that TeSeS was on the server along with HUNDEN before locking in the "spectator" view is enough evidence that it was not only niko that knew about the bug abuse. Why are there no consequences? Cheaters will win this game if the penalty is not severe enough to make them think just 2 min before exploiting the game...
2021-10-18 09:58
6 replies
I dunno, Heroic seems fucked anyway with all their sponsors leaving and the team bringing mediocre results on lan. Lets see what the future holds for them
2021-10-18 09:58
#15
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United Kingdom tr@c
Regarding Mr. Petersen’s allegations against Mr. Madsen as it pertains to boosting into the camera position in the Spirit match, ESIC has concluded that it is most likely that Mr. Madsen had no idea what Mr. Petersen’s ultimate purpose was in being asked to be boosted into various positions in the map pre-match.
2021-10-18 10:01
4 replies
hahahah what a joke is ESIC. I mean, I can buy that thing about niko being autist and not remembering dates and shit but it's obvious, like super obvious, that TeSeS with his behaviour, was trying to help Hunden get into de spectator bug, you're not gonna enter and exit repeatedly unless is for something, same for other players, waiting to enter the server until Hunden is on the spectator position.
2021-10-18 10:33
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#20
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Other fstilus
Allegation Against Mr. Madsen 14.8 Regarding Mr. Petersen’s allegations against Mr. Madsen as it pertains to boosting into the camera position in the Spirit match, ESIC has concluded that it is most likely that Mr. Madsen had no idea what Mr. Petersen’s ultimate purpose was in being asked to be boosted into various positions in the map pre-match. 14.9 Again, the assertion that Mr. Madsen knew why Mr Petersen was asking to be boosted comes from Mr. Petersen and is not independently verified by any other evidence and is strongly denied by Mr. Madsen. It is literally written down in the report. If one guy says you killed someone and you're saying that you haven't but there is no proof to each other of your point it is insufficient evidence and you cannot judge the case. What you are saying in my analogy would be "yeah, judge is very dumb, it's obvious the Mr. twitchy_ killed this innocent man. What a joke is judgement system"
2021-10-18 10:55
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Sure, I know how to read, but it's not true, same for what people is saying, I think I'm gonna do a post because most of the people didn't read that in-depth.
2021-10-18 11:08
So they are saying that TeSeS is a noob that have no idea about what is going on in cs... The evidens is there but ECSI just showed that they are a useless...
2021-10-18 11:37
+1
2021-10-18 09:59
#32
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Netherlands meneerkaas
because in the game there is no "right" or "wrong" decision which affects the bigger picture. you trust the people you trust (probably the team and coach). there are no real consequences for making a "wrong" decision in game. the worst is you might lose a round. thats about it
2021-10-18 11:41
#48
Ale | 
Finland ksiBOB
Actually the asperger probably helped him to become a pro, usually people with asperger are usually very dedicated to few things that they really enjoy or find interesting. f.e CSGO But it can also make it harder for them to see what is right and what is wrong, especially when someone they really trust takes advantage of them.
2021-10-18 12:25
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I have worked with autist most of my life including around 150 with Asperger syndrome. It is not an autistic feature not to be able to separate right from wrong. It could be in niko's case but I dont know the dude, but to say that the majority of Asperger cant is just not true. I actually think that it is hard for everybody to separate right from wrong if you trust the person telling you what right and wrong are...?
2021-10-18 12:36
What a fucking joke. Esic too scared to hurt pro scene right before the major
2021-10-18 10:02
#17
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
You cant know if niko did though, and it just means the players are innocent. Why are you stupid.
2021-10-18 10:31
25 replies
What???
2021-10-18 10:58
24 replies
#22
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
An alias was used, we dont know for sure what was said, and niko is autistic, literally and is unreliable acording to some danish autism foundation
2021-10-18 11:00
23 replies
What are you trying to say? Niko admitted that he knew about the bug abuse , and where given a set of conseqenses for his action. TeSeS litterally helped HUNDEN get into the best position to exploid the bug, but where cleared? If the conseqenses for cheating is nothing - cheating will only grow
2021-10-18 11:33
22 replies
#27
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
read the document. you dont need a player to get to the bugged cam. he was just on the server with hunden. it proves nothing. nik ois autistic and asked to not be a source. wont elaborate any further zzzz
2021-10-18 11:35
21 replies
You are wrong in every sentence... Niko's face is on most danish media aws...
2021-10-18 11:39
I think you are autistic, you seem invested in this such ways that only someone with aspergers could achieve. Do you do anything else besides cs, it's a sign of autism to get very, very deep in certain "hobby"
2021-10-18 11:42
19 replies
tyst
2021-10-18 11:51
#35
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
ha det bra på bannen sittkissare hahahahahhaa smart :)
2021-10-18 11:58
17 replies
Then you should be banned aswell for calling me stupid! I call people names - ok People call me names - MAMA
2021-10-18 12:07
16 replies
#39
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
insult people by calling them stupid for getting something wrong = insulting people with disabilities
2021-10-18 12:10
15 replies
I did not get it wrong - you did... niko admitted - the report even states that the players knew #31 And yes it is the same - calling people names just show that you know you are in the wrong here...
2021-10-18 12:13
14 replies
#41
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
hahahahah yes, afterwards. and read #22 and #27. doesnt say if they were conscious about it either.
2021-10-18 12:18
13 replies
I get that but if they where new to CS and dident know any mechanics or how to tune cfg etc then yes they might not have known, but come on they played CS for such a long time they knew what was going on....
2021-10-18 12:19
12 replies
#46
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
dude jsut read the document please. theres a page listing all the experts they used.
2021-10-18 12:22
11 replies
I have read it - and I am convinced that everybody on Heroic knew: players - leaders - org owners etc. Why do you think they used a non-disclosure agreement about the topic?
2021-10-18 12:31
10 replies
#51
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
youtu.be/97gUa9mHfVE?t=321 listen for 20 seconds. tell me what theyre saying.
2021-10-18 12:36
9 replies
You actually may be autistic? I also believe everything cheaters say...
2021-10-18 12:45
8 replies
#55
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
dont make fun of mental illness when youre acting stupid. He couldn't lie about the players being under some nda when a civil court court case is ongoing.
2021-10-18 12:48
7 replies
civil court? what universe are you living in
2021-10-18 12:50
6 replies
#57
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
2021-10-18 12:55
5 replies
The civil court case have nothing to do with the bug. It has something to do with the contract between Heroic and HUNDEN.... Dude at least if you use this amount of time on something then please understand it before embarrassing yourself...
2021-10-18 13:19
4 replies
#60
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
dude you try so hard xD the scandal is about hunden vs heroic. the leaked strats and blocked stratbook as well as the coach bug.
2021-10-18 13:22
3 replies
Yes the scandal is. The civil court is about the contract obligations between Heroic and HUNDEN. Why is that so hard to understand?
2021-10-18 14:17
2 replies
#62
JW | 
Sweden EntonXD
you forgot that we are talking about an nda here. they never signed it like you thought :)
2021-10-18 14:19
1 reply
the NDA was offered by Heroic - the players declined. Why would they offer a NDA if they had nothing to hide?
2021-10-18 14:20
#23
cyx | 
Denmark VojenZ
All the coaches who used the bug ( it was many) had players who knew it also - Ofc. It is just hard to prove it. It will mean alot of players over the years - some still active and some retried.
2021-10-18 11:04
2 replies
Imo ban All orgs that cheated...
2021-10-18 11:34
#58
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Russia RogueDecay
ESIC is a bullshit scam org, ofc they weren't fully aware that players were strictly needed to commit coaching bug beforehand, and once they hardbanned named coaches they have setted a trap for self incompetence, where coaches and players sentence is double standard, and what they're doing right now is keep digging their own grave, cause no one is buying their bullshit anymore.
2021-10-18 12:56
the power of red bull -.-
2021-10-18 11:35
ESIC isn't a real thing, just facevalue to create false integrity to the industry. I copypasted a comment by a fellow hltv user in another thread, who posted a part of the report; ""There was evidence that, after the Astralis match, the first time the bug was used in “officials”, three of the players did “know” that Hunden had used the bug during the game " page 17" Quotations inside are direct quotes from the report. They knew and didn't get a punishment, they were allowed to cheat
2021-10-18 11:40
It's hilarious that at least niko literally knew about the bug and nothing happened
2021-10-18 12:38
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