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Niko-Hunden?
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Finland ogisbestfinnishteam 
Can somone tell me what is happening i dont understand with my litlle brain?
2021-10-18 09:49
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2021-10-18 09:51
#2
Jame | 
Belarus XessXLX
niko is banned
2021-10-18 09:51
24 replies
Is he ?
2021-10-18 09:53
21 replies
#4
Jame | 
Belarus XessXLX
i think he is if not esic plz disband and never go back to cs go again play some overwatch or hearthstone
2021-10-18 09:54
20 replies
#7
i am | 
Finland iBait
Maybe read the report?
2021-10-18 09:55
7 replies
#8
Jame | 
Belarus XessXLX
what is report give link plz
2021-10-18 09:56
6 replies
#9
i am | 
Finland iBait
why are you even talking about this if you never saw the esic report
2021-10-18 09:57
4 replies
becuz what can they say? 'yes niko is cheater but we won't ban him. we are pussy to fight with heroic bye!'
2021-10-18 09:58
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#14
i am | 
Finland iBait
How about you read the report first before accusing anyone for no reason t.co/oFyVnNeKjm
2021-10-18 10:01
2 replies
a WARNING and 30 days ban if repeats what a punishment! as I said, ESIC is just pussy
2021-10-18 10:05
1 reply
#53
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Finland _fiNNest
niko is literally autistic (aspergers), it is a fair punishment for him. Hunden abused his mental disabilities.
2021-10-18 11:03
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jks | 
Australia _nuu
worst take possible
2021-10-18 10:06
11 replies
no, that's a place for them to go they don't even deserve to be in valorant
2021-10-18 10:07
10 replies
#20
jks | 
Australia _nuu
I'm talking about ESIC disbanding over not banning niko. Definitely shouldn't ban him
2021-10-18 10:11
9 replies
shouldn't ban coaches this way too
2021-10-18 10:12
8 replies
#29
jks | 
Australia _nuu
wdym
2021-10-18 10:16
7 replies
if they think no one deserved a ban in a team where coaches abused it, then they shouldn't ban coaches too cuz players 100% knew it this way, i won't believe in this bullshit that they just suddenly started playing better and at the end learned last about their coach's ban reason
2021-10-18 10:19
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#40
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Europe tsken
They knew obviously - The issue is, it can't be proved that they knew. ESIC can do nothing if the evidence isn't clear without any reasons of doubt.
2021-10-18 10:30
5 replies
that only means they are incompetent they are just not enough dangerous to ban big players from big orgs they wouldn't like to participate in scandal
2021-10-18 10:35
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#43
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Europe tsken
Maybe but that's still standard order of law.
2021-10-18 10:38
3 replies
I understand it, but if they position themselves as a 'police of cs go' they should be more strict in their actions they just didn't give a shit at all about this case
2021-10-18 10:39
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#47
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Europe tsken
I agree with you. Still the legal part is scetchy in that way: Read section 5. here: esic.gg/content/media/2021/10/Heroic-Rep.. Also this: "Mr. Kristensen assumes, without knowing, that his former teammates knew about the spectator bug" The above is everything in the matter in order of law from a legal view. Like I said - I agree with you; They knew and should be banned aswell. But it can't be proved and that just concludes their innocence.
2021-10-18 10:45
#49
jks | 
Australia _nuu
they have 100% proof on hunden, not the others except for niko, correct me if im wrong. It may look like and be likely that they knew about it in some form but in law there has to be evidence beyond reasonable doubt and there isnt. It's to avoid ruining someones career and life when there is a reasonable chance that they might not have known. They shouldn't be more strict...
2021-10-18 10:50
Rly?
2021-10-18 09:54
#28
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Russia Polbol220
Bro what? The ESIC commissioner had replayed the map over and over and couldn't find anything. In which case Hunden has told ESIC the team cheated in. It resulted in that no player knew about Hunden was cheating. Hunden only talks with the players and they never knew that he was cheating, they only though he wanted them to do that specific tactic they went on doing. Besides, afterwards Hunden wanted the players to sign an agreement that the players couldn't talk about the cheat, and the players never did sign it as they didn't believe him at first and went on firing him when they found out.
2021-10-18 10:15
Hunden made niko believe they all cheated and since niko is legit autistic (to some degree) he actually believed Hunden so then Hunden made all the accusations n shiet based on their talks with niko he basically used that kid since nobody else on Heroic could be baited into this
2021-10-18 09:54
12 replies
He so dog
2021-10-18 09:57
1 reply
I could actually see this as a last resort option for Hunden (if the whole team knew anyway but did not or could not admit it) bc Heroic forcing players to sign NDA is sus af but yeah overall it's an exploitation of a person that can't see he's being manipulated
2021-10-18 10:00
#23
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Belgium TomDew
Ty for this short but good info about this. +rep
2021-10-18 10:14
3 replies
np bro I've been waiting to see how it ended myself, real fken drama
2021-10-18 10:15
2 replies
#31
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Russia Polbol220
+1
2021-10-18 10:21
#50
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Belgium TomDew
Indeed, this whole story is mindblowing
2021-10-18 11:00
is this confirmed by niko or just a speculation?
2021-10-18 10:21
5 replies
it's his excuse for ESIC so yeah, I think he had to provide some kind of medical papers
2021-10-18 10:24
4 replies
no I'm not saying if he confirmed his disability I'm just asking if its confirmed that hunden manipulated niko
2021-10-18 10:25
3 replies
hltv.org/forums/threads/2527973/hunden-i.. there's a fragment from ESIC statement I believe "Mr. Kristensen trusted and respected Mr. Petersen implicitly and Mr. Petersen observably deliberately fostered and then exploited that trust at a timing that was convenient to him"
2021-10-18 10:28
2 replies
It looks like a speculation to me. niko still could have cheated and admitted to it with his own consent, but then used his medical condition as an excuse after regretting it, or being told to do so from his org
2021-10-18 10:29
1 reply
sure thing, aspie syndrome should not impair his clear-thinking too much, not to mention adhd is not relevant in regards to "trusting ppl" at all, but there's just no evidence so, as guilty as they might be, Heroic walk free also their CEO stated that there was no NDA signed by Heroic players which makes it less sus if true. guess we'll never know for sure
2021-10-18 10:34
read the article
2021-10-18 09:57
wait, G2 are cheaters too?
2021-10-18 10:24
1 reply
No, I think they're just bad
2021-10-18 10:39
#51
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Philippines flowster
niko autistic so no ban hunden idk ??
2021-10-18 11:00
THORIN has the same syndrome I believe. he can give some useful insight
2021-10-18 11:03
It’s not just that niko is autistic and has ADHD. Hunden manipulated him by feeding him all the information niko ever had on the coaching bug (and making it sound like a joke / not a problem). Deliberately feeding him false information. Niko had a lot of trust in hunden and never doubted the distorted info hunden had given him. I’m autistic myself and have been taken advantage of / put myself in literal dangerous situations because of the same thing. This whole thing is disgusting, hunden is fucking scum
2021-10-18 11:31
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