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teams w/o stars
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Germany AngiMerkel 
ASSUMPTION: If we take the best performing / star player out of every top 10 team... Navi -simple NIP -device Vitality -Zywoo Gambit -Shiro Heroic -Stavn OG -Mantuu G2 -NiKo Faze -Twistzzz Astralis -Magisk Liquid -Elige ... if these 10 teams compete on a 4 vs 4 basis, which team do you think would be the BEST performing and which team do you think would be the WORST performing after some time? In my opinion: BEST, G2 (were decent before NiKo joined) or maybe NIP WORST, Vitality (built around Zywoo) /discuss
2021-10-20 17:58
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G2 is shit even with niko so how do you come to that conclusion? I'd go with Astralis or Gambit
2021-10-20 17:59
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+1 Astralis + Gambit
2021-10-20 18:14
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yep, both well oiled machines that would work even if you put out one player.
2021-10-20 18:23
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#25
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Germany AngiMerkel
thats also true, even though gambit on LAN is not well oiled...
2021-10-21 21:12
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#35
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Canada loldougie
Their buttholes are well oiled
2021-10-21 21:16
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how you know
2021-10-21 21:28
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#45
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Canada loldougie
I'm the official oiler for PGL
2021-10-21 21:32
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you use olive oil or what
2021-10-21 21:35
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#49
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Canada loldougie
Sometimes, only extra virgin though. Also Avocado oil.
2021-10-21 21:37
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ty for this info, i will need it 😎👍
2021-10-21 21:41
or navi tbh
2021-10-21 23:54
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Latvia heywire
Heroic star is teses not stavn.
2021-10-20 17:59
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Germany AngiMerkel
overall stavn is their highest rated player...
2021-10-20 18:01
or refrezh, every game someone different performs
2021-10-21 23:54
nowadays i think naf is better than elige, they are kinda 2 superstars in that liquid's team
2021-10-20 18:03
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NAF is absolutely NUTTY no questions, but elige has just had a bad 2-3 tournaments and even started to show back up in the final of the showdown, it is still Elige as the star but you are right that it is 2-4 stars on the team (depending on how Grim and Stewie Play)
2021-10-20 18:08
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Yeah lately NAF is having a huge impact, if Elige can pick it up for the major then they are serious contenders. And Fallen and Stew might step it up because of the environment of a major
2021-10-20 19:12
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Did you see the last game of the showdown? Elige stepped it up a ton.
2021-10-22 00:35
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ye and so did naf xd
2021-10-22 00:41
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Canada loldougie
Grim is a wildcard player, sometimes 30 kills and sometimes 8
2021-10-21 21:42
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I tihnk he just needs time, he is not letting the team down in any way just not carrying
2021-10-22 00:35
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North America minte
G2? You're smoking crack
2021-10-20 18:04
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+1
2021-10-21 21:15
#9
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Italy I_like_csgo
Heroic would be doing quite well I think. Navi would be up there because even though it is the S1mple show, the rest are quite decent too. G2 would fall off a cliff, they are carried by NiKo currently, even Hunter is in a slump.
2021-10-20 18:04
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Germany AngiMerkel
as soon as niko joined, hunter and kennys had worse performances, because obviously he took away space, this space would be regained, so interesting to see who would step up, maybe jackz & hunter
2021-10-21 21:14
nexa used to get 30 kills a game b4 niko joined.. they wont be better than now but wont dropoff hugely
2021-10-21 21:35
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Spain Nepomu
Navi I guess Also astralis could be there
2021-10-20 18:06
Imo Liquid, gambit, and astralis could all scrape by without their star. Liquid because elige and naf do pretty much the same thing and have similar stats so they wouldn't lose too much firepower Gambit are tactically sound enough and have enough good riflers to play 4v4 without an awper And I feel astralis could still function with dupreeh, gla1ve, lucky, xyp9x
2021-10-20 18:05
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Agreed, without either Elige or Naf it just gives a bit more room for Stewie and Grim to do their thing so not much would change tbf
2021-10-20 18:10
navi best
2021-10-20 18:06
Astralis without a doubt
2021-10-20 18:06
Heroic is a nobrainer, they have no carry player, everyone plays really well on that team. Also OG and gambit. However im waiting to see Astralis play with the new roster before mentioning them, cause they litterally allready took out their star player, so lets see how they do now
2021-10-20 18:08
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Germany AngiMerkel
would be interesting with heroic true
2021-10-21 21:14
>stars >manages to add mantuu lmao
2021-10-20 18:10
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#29
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Germany AngiMerkel
who is better on OG? maybe valde but thats it
2021-10-21 21:15
I think Vitalty or Gambit. They don't have a carry so I think they would do very well even if they are down to 4 players.
2021-10-20 18:15
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United States hjhjghj23
bad bait
2021-10-20 18:30
3/8
2021-10-21 22:32
FaZe without Twistzz will not be even top30
2021-10-20 18:41
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#31
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Germany AngiMerkel
lmao
2021-10-21 21:15
+1
2021-10-21 22:38
Gambit probs
2021-10-20 18:42
Vitality would be the worst by far and Na'Vi the best imo.
2021-10-21 21:15
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#32
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Germany AngiMerkel
dude navi are hardcore carried
2021-10-21 21:15
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What? How?
2021-10-21 21:16
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#34
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Germany AngiMerkel
how are they not?! simple bad day = navi gold nova
2021-10-21 21:16
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#38
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Germany AngiMerkel
lmfao, what does this show?
2021-10-21 21:19
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That even with their star player playing badly they can still win.
2021-10-21 21:20
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#44
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Germany AngiMerkel
yeah once, against EG ahahhahaha
2021-10-21 21:32
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Twice in recent times against EG and FaZe.
2021-10-21 21:37
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#56
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Germany AngiMerkel
and what does this show?
2021-10-21 21:43
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That they aren't hard carried by s1mple.
2021-10-21 21:44
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#58
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Germany AngiMerkel
and for you two matches prove anything different?
2021-10-21 21:45
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How can they be hard carried when electronic has a 1.12 rating, b1t 1.08, perfecto 1.04, and boombl4 the sacrificial lamb 0.97 in 2021?
2021-10-21 21:47
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#60
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Germany AngiMerkel
because simple barely ever has a bad match
2021-10-21 21:56
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Well, he's a top 5 player (probably top 3) so that's pretty obvious.
2021-10-21 21:58
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#63
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Germany AngiMerkel
top 1, no debate
2021-10-21 21:59
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Skillwise he's not top 1. Statswise he is.
2021-10-21 22:00
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#65
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Germany AngiMerkel
i dont like him, but he is
2021-10-21 22:21
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He's not.
2021-10-21 22:24
#36
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Russia Trueteller
it makes me smile inside thinking of how much maldpex would mald without zywoo
2021-10-21 21:17
navi has more stars lol
2021-10-21 21:23
>g2 were decent before NiKo expect from leftie "brain". just delete your fucking account
2021-10-21 21:25
#43
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Brazil hugoooo
Vitality would disband if ZywOo leaves
2021-10-21 21:29
gambit would be the best easily, insane teamplay and they still have 2 star players in ax1le and hobbit.
2021-10-21 21:36
#51
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Sweden frizzahh
Nip is still a good team without devve. With Rez as second star player and Hampus who’s insane for a igl
2021-10-21 21:38
OG benefits a lot because they dont actually have any proper stars in the team. Mantuu chokes in every high stakes game and valde is nothing more than a glorified support player (albeit a very good one at that). Flamez is super raw and frags out because he is now getting all the best spots to play and become more comfortable. Niko is just a guy who is there because the org refuses to actually spend. You could consider actually the IGL to be the lowkey star, so if you removed him OG would surely be even worse off than they already are.
2021-10-21 21:40
OG top ten?
2021-10-21 21:42
stavn isnt a star player
2021-10-21 21:57
Gambit or G2 best Worst would be Vitality or NAVI depending on the day
2021-10-21 22:34
Man, what a great thread you made, everybody is saying COMPLETELY different things.
2021-10-21 22:36
Cs is a 5vs5 game btw
2021-10-21 22:37
Best: I think Heroic Does not really matter who you are taking out of their line up they would all get it together maybe cadian but even still Worst: Vitality just Zywoo show
2021-10-21 22:40
I remeber north 16-2d G2 on vertigo before niko came in I think it was dreamhack They just had a honeymoon for katowice 2020
2021-10-21 22:42
Gambit or astralis should be the answer Im not saying og cause they already bad so doesn’t really matter who leaves a team
2021-10-21 22:44
#75
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Other Filipum
ok
2021-10-21 22:49
Heroic, navi, nip and liquid imo
2021-10-21 23:53
gambit and heroic 100%
2021-10-22 00:01
Navi vitality gambit and g2 will take serious hit.
2021-10-22 00:01
Navi -simple NIP -REZ Vitality -Zywoo Gambit -Shiro Heroic -Stavn OG -Mantuu G2 -NiKo Faze -Twistzzz Astralis -Magisk Liquid -Elige Micro adjustment
2021-10-22 00:22
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Germany AngiMerkel
lol so rez > device in your opinion?
2021-10-22 12:12
nip vs gambit
2021-10-22 00:43
OG doesn't have a star player
2021-10-22 00:46
Has to be either Gambit (all of them are insane individually) or Na'Vi (the same)... believe it or not, thorin actually said if s1mple left navi they would be better in terms of teamplay, so they would be best performing on 4v4 (yes s1mple has to carry sometimes, but not that much at all anymore, since they have 3 insane riflers)
2021-10-22 00:59
NIP, because botvice is far from a star player. However if you would remove their actual star player called rez, nip would suck real bad.
2021-10-22 12:16
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