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World lol_n00bs 
i just read the louvre agreement of ESL pdf: its INSANE how much money they are spending foreal!! we know they have like the biggest esports contracts... i wondered, if they give SO MUCH as prizemoney.. how much are ESL staff earning?? CEO, COO, CFO, ........... isnt this crazy?!
2021-10-21 12:50
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Finland DTeeVee
I want to thank ESL for everything they have done for our scene <3
2021-10-21 12:52
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question tho.. are the leagues, TO's in other FPS games also like csgo? where they keep feeding like the top 30/50 teams over and over again?! and not giving chances to new&upcoming smaller teams? 😔
2021-10-21 12:54
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umm, there are still open quals for I guess almost every event, so smaller teams can break out if they're just good enough
2021-10-21 18:20
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gambit is a good example i think
2021-10-21 18:27
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ZywOo | 
Brazil PqSxd
2021-10-21 17:09
So much money and such a bad production.
2021-10-21 12:53
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Flag + production 😂😂😂😂😂😂
2021-10-21 12:57
+1 blast is spoiling us
2021-10-21 13:05
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+1 blast literally is insane foreal went to a few events.. everything both online & offline for viewers is MASSIVE even their "music" during the breaks, everything feels high end, their animations, wp rly blast
2021-10-21 13:07
That moment when you realise BLAST and ESL share most of their production staff
2021-10-21 13:40
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I don't want to sound rude but the Replays at Blast are 10x better than the ones at ESL.
2021-10-21 16:29
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I've seen the BLAST setup, it's pretty amazing Also both TOs have their own GFX style and vizpacks they need to conform to, so yeah the way the replays look will be different. I think BLAST and ESL are doing a great job at pushing each other to create ever better content, and although the BLAST staff I talked to a couple months back considered ESL's production slightly better, I think there's grounds to say BLAST are as good, if not better atm!
2021-10-21 17:08
dont ever say that again
2021-10-21 16:32
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why not?
2021-10-21 17:22
Bring back Eleague, such an awesome production and hype! Eleague majors was cool and eleague was an aweseome event. But sadly not enough supoort from na scene lol
2021-10-21 12:55
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omg TOTALLY forgot eleague.. production was KICKASS indeed!!! where are the good ol clanbase days, XD
2021-10-21 12:56
Estonia E$t0
eleague was sick
2021-10-21 13:36
eleague was the best production but their cost was insane and not something most producers can sustain let alone make a profit out of
2021-10-21 14:42
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Also heard that the support from NA crowds wasn’t sufficient enough? Or was that just salty csgo fans sad about Eleague ending their csgo events?
2021-10-21 17:37
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Most of their events that had crowds (most were in their studios which didn´t have many seats) seemed quite full so i doubt that was the problem. I think it´s more likely their cost ,which was insanely high for csgo a historically unprofitable game Remember they had a full tv studio in Boston (US travel for most teams +professional tv quality crew), had extremly high player care (luxury hotel + custom gear) and also ran their events for extended periods of time (some seasons lasted something like 2 weeks straight) and had to face a lot of competitors that decreased their market share (ESL/DreamHack, PGL, EpicCenter etc at the time) which made their product less dominant in the ecosystem. Compond that with a product that´s less desirable for mainstream media (main advertisers of Turner (Owners of Eleague) , especially in america due to the shotting and terrorist aspect. The perfect storm of crap
2021-10-21 17:53
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Serbia dnjl
they rich RICH
2021-10-21 12:55
Im still sad that the tier 2 will struggle to exist with the franchise format becoming a thing
2021-10-21 13:04
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#5.... i also hate the fact ALL ATTENTION goes to t1... while som of them even have a cocky attitude and dont give a single fuck.................. give it to a t2/3/5 team that puts so much effort 😔 😔
2021-10-21 13:06
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Of course the problem is not giving attention to the tier 1. Everyone wants to watch good games. What I am saying is that the new format will barely give chances to smaller teams to grind to the top. It will be like an american sport league, which the teams are always the same, different from the football leagues around the globe, which teams are there because they won the spot because they deserve it, not because they bought it
2021-10-21 13:29
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United States Phamous3k
American sport leagues are also extremely profitable and designed for these esport organizations to actually make money. Football will eventually move to a franchise. Just look at this Forbes list. Some of these American franchises are not very good teams lol. But through revenue sharing, advertising, branding and the shit ton of other revenue streams they’re extremely valuable. I get what you’re saying about the smaller teams though.
2021-10-21 13:42
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Yes, they are super profitable. I am a big fan of the NFL and i can tell how strong the market is when it comes to american sports, the cowboys prove your point. I understand the franchise format, but idk, i like when a small team, who is usually an underdog, can grind to the top and become a traditional org
2021-10-21 14:34
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ZywOo | 
Brazil PqSxd
yeah, but this list is a lie, Saints>all
2021-10-21 17:11
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I have no idea how saints can keep playing with that salary cap, fr
2021-10-21 17:12
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ZywOo | 
Brazil PqSxd
magic loomis.
2021-10-21 21:12
Brazil Schramm41
I understand what you mean, when it comes to small teams, but CS, in addition to being a great game, is a business, because of that I think it's important to strengthen the big CS franchises, as it ensures the long-term competitiveness of the game, which eventually will be low, so that gives safety to teams, the public and players.In addition, as well as the furia itself, which became a partner, or the Gambit that almost won the pro league, there will still be space for other teams to participate, we will still have the EPL conference, open and closed qualifiers, dream hack, among others, or that is, even if it is more difficult, there is still room for tier 2 or 3 to reach the top.
2021-10-21 15:09
ESL have lost like 50million during 2020
2021-10-21 13:08
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Which they didnt feel bro. All external money anyway
2021-10-21 14:34
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lol? The entire point of the Louvre agreement is to stop bleeding money
2021-10-21 14:41
Lebanon Dogman69
its all about growing the value of your company in esports, profit or lack thereof is pretty irrelevant
2021-10-21 17:13
ESL staff probably earns less than I earn as a dj
2021-10-21 13:30
Genuinely not that much LMAO The C-something-somethings might be making 6 figures, but not high 6 figures Most of the common staff don't get paid that much: I could make far more from tutoring kids, but I do it for the love of the game
2021-10-21 13:38
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I know friends that do editing work for esl. Fulltime 1400-1500€ max. Which is BS cuz this aint 9-5 job The bosses eat too much -_-
2021-10-21 14:35
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Editing is a part-time job, I imagine they work a handful of hours per week for that money, which makes it worth it. Especially considering the volunteer GFX squad is super talented
2021-10-21 14:43
a lot of fresh meat in those sorts of positions meaning they can have a high turnover and be fine but yeah still sucks :/
2021-10-21 14:44
Pretty sure editing for orgs like ESL ain't fulltime.
2021-10-21 15:14
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Video editing And that doesnt mean only csgo, ofc all games they have to work on.. Its not 40hr but like 50hr job. I wouldnt wanna trade places tbh
2021-10-21 15:53
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Literally ESL admin told you it's a part time job, yet you are trying to prove me otherwise and also with total bs, I'm sorry but there's not even close amount of material to edit for 40 hours a week, because they don't have like 2 editors and they don't make videos/scenes/highlights every week.
2021-10-21 15:58
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esl admin? i know a dude that WORKED for esl before, now has his own channel on german tv, i dont need to tell you any shit in that case :) esl in GER is ran by manuel hoedemakers in cologne, ive been to the HQ, now be quiet before u even make a bigger shame of urself.
2021-10-21 16:27
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Yes, NtroP is esl admin. And yes I know how to use google to know who's the head and where.
2021-10-21 16:29
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ZywOo | 
Brazil PqSxd
lol, guy got smashed
2021-10-21 17:13
20 mil is like peanuts for them especially for MTG who did buy ESL
2021-10-21 14:37
ELeague was the best on so many fronts. BLAST has good production and PGL too. Sadly, ESL & all other organizers aren't playing their staff except ELeague who had really good backing
2021-10-21 17:12
esl and blast have been losing money for years
2021-10-21 17:40
well yeah they said they where not making a lot of money if anything at all
2021-10-21 17:39
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