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Dark Horses Major
Germany Tereax 
The dark horses of the major in my opinion are BIG and ENCE I am pretty sure that at least one of them will make it to the semi final. Both teams have the ability to kick everyone out.
2021-10-21 18:05
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#1
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United States IdolaMochi
Liquid is the dark horse
2021-10-21 18:05
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#2
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Romania SanitySP
no liquids logo has a light color scheme
2021-10-21 18:06
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#3
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India pokedyo
But horse is dark
2021-10-21 18:07
#5
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United States IdolaMochi
since when ? check their twitter, if that's not dark im a future 5 time major champion
2021-10-21 18:07
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#12
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Romania SanitySP
you are a 5 time major champion
2021-10-21 18:08
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#14
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United States IdolaMochi
Or you being colorblind is also a possibility
2021-10-21 18:09
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#33
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Kazakhstan SayYouCome
you don't want to be 5 time major champion?
2021-10-21 18:28
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#41
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Canada loldougie
+1 lmao
2021-10-21 18:35
Liquid is one of the main contenders for the title I would say
2021-10-21 18:06
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you cant be serious...
2021-10-21 18:29
11 replies
They are next to NAVI, Vitality and maybe NIP/Gambit
2021-10-21 18:34
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no they arent. sicne iem summer they are just average lol. losing maps to t3 teams, cant even win event in NA region. 9-12 cologne, 5-8 pro league, 7-9 iem. they are nowhere near one of the main contender at all
2021-10-21 18:37
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You right. Even though they had locked in legends stage they should’ve cared enough to really go for the w and an extra 500$ each instead of prepping for the major. Makes sense
2021-10-21 20:45
They got some of the currently most LAN experienced players (Except for GRIM) and will crush teams like Gambit or Heroic
2021-10-22 13:23
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but that doesnt make them one of the main contender...this could be said about other teams as well. performance is what matters the most
2021-10-22 13:25
#42
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Canada loldougie
How can you disagree? Not having their coach is really the only reason I'm doubting their ability to make it to the semis.
2021-10-21 18:36
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because of their performance and results? ofc that i can disagree if i look at actual facts
2021-10-21 18:38
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#49
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Canada loldougie
They were eliminated by Astralis.. that's not a worrying result, not to mention it was really close. They just 2-1'd VP and they have been looking much better since IEM, so I think you're looking too far into the recent matches page.
2021-10-21 18:40
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im looking at their performance after payers break or just look at last 3 months. their results are average, their performance is inconsistent AF, they can lose to t2/t3 teams and thats a fact. they didnt even win tournament in NA weak region and you want to claim that they are one of the main contender to win major? please... can they reach semi? sure. elige and naf are great players and with those 2 in form they can upset. fallen is most of the time rly average(maybe even below that for an awper) but he can also have vintage games(we saw that right?) but that doesnt make them one of the main contender to win it.
2021-10-21 18:44
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#53
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Canada loldougie
The only T2 team they've lost to recently was GODSENT who were playing some outstanding CS. Stewie has been in form lately, and FalleN is IGL so his form isn't as expected. In the last month they've looked better than they were after the player break, so I think they're definitely a dark horse for the major. They probably won't beat Na'Vi, but they can beat everyone else.
2021-10-21 18:52
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yea exactly...they are dark horse. team that can go out in group stage or can upset and go pretty far or even win it. im not saying that they dont have a chance. like i said elige and naf are nuts and if fallen will have some vintage games they are scary but once again, if i look at all teams there and their results and performance i just cant put liquid to group of main contenders to win it all
2021-10-21 19:05
#78
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Brazil STREEEEEET
If Liquid wins this major it would be as big of a surprise to me as Refrezh winning that 1v5 . NAF / Elige interruptor problem. ( When one is on, the other is OFF) Grim inconsistency. Fallen missing unforgivable shots for a pro.
2021-10-22 06:50
+1 Moses said that everything has to go right for them like C9 did in the boston major.
2021-10-21 18:21
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#54
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Canada loldougie
This seems to imply that there a lot of luck involved, when in reality it's mostly just player form and morale.
2021-10-21 18:53
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A bit of both, he says the issue in Liquid is that if something goes wrong they can enter a downward spiral almost immediately. But if they keep winning, and the momentum is on their side, they can win the major.
2021-10-22 03:21
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#75
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Canada loldougie
I could see that, same reason they're so good at choking.
2021-10-22 05:51
Vitality are unbeatable rn. Epic Raid BOSS.
2021-10-21 18:07
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They will for sure make a great run
2021-10-21 18:08
Nip can beat them and have beat them
2021-10-21 18:31
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"Showmatch" You're done
2021-10-21 20:31
they lost to ence in IEM fall groups lmao
2021-10-21 18:45
RENEGADES trust me
2021-10-21 18:07
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Thought about it aswell, but the practice down there is just not comperable to EU or CIS
2021-10-21 18:08
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i know but they have very good chemistry imo
2021-10-21 18:12
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They showed good potential in IEM Cologne, not gonna write them off
2021-10-21 20:42
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+1 they beat OMEGALUL G
2021-10-21 20:43
ENCE, Liquid if they play in form, and G2 if they play how they did before the player break
2021-10-21 18:08
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Liquid is one of the main contenders and G2 wont make a great run
2021-10-21 18:09
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If G2 play like they did before the player break they could make the finals, and liquid are maybe top 4 but I can see them choking and getting top 16
2021-10-21 18:15
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Everyone gives everything at the Major and I am sure that a lot of teams peak higher than G2
2021-10-21 18:19
#10
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Croatia Momaq
faze dark horse winners
2021-10-21 18:08
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Faze is the worst top 15 team next to OG and Copenhagen Flames right now But they have experienced players so why not
2021-10-21 18:12
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I am obviously biased but in my opinion Faze would be the favorite against everyone from ranks 6-15 with only a few outliers like maybe Astralis(but they are a question mark rn)
2021-10-21 18:14
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If they show their form from IEM Cologne yes otherwise no in my opinion
2021-10-21 18:17
They're both interesting teams with pretty high celings for sure.
2021-10-21 18:11
lets Go Gambit ! Lets Go Spirit! Lets go Faze!
2021-10-21 18:12
Liquid: blue horse check their logo
2021-10-21 18:14
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Europe GWAZ
Heroic and liquid dark horse winners
2021-10-21 18:14
Agree but mostly about Ence. I'm not really that confident about BIG.
2021-10-21 18:15
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BIG is way more experienced than the current Ence roster and has better chemistry in my opinion
2021-10-21 18:20
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But they have never been weaker than they are right now, it feels like they lose every single game they play.
2021-10-21 18:37
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#64
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
+1 It's really sad tho
2021-10-21 20:40
#24
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Mexico cheesecan
whole thread sleeping on movi
2021-10-21 18:15
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Nah they wont achieve much, they have great chemistry but need more experience and time
2021-10-21 18:24
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#76
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Korea ramza72
LMAOOOOOOOOO bruh you just wake up from your sleep ?
2021-10-22 06:10
Movistar Riders and ENCE, mby CPH if they click and play well
2021-10-21 18:26
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Movistar Riders got 0 experience same for CPH both wont make a run
2021-10-21 18:33
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agree, but their teamwork and confidence is on point! Their weakpoint is coach. My opinion thou
2021-10-21 18:42
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All good, they were killing it in the groups, I would also like to see roeJ succeed
2021-10-21 19:34
Movistar riders will get destroyed, they just got in thanks to that stupid overtime format matches. CPH on the other hand could do some damage, a lot of potential there.
2021-10-22 07:49
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Riders won 2-0 CPH, also won G2 in a bo3 and almost won 2-0 NiP who ended up winning the tournament. Just say that you are a hater and it will be fine, we are not gonna judge you.
2021-10-22 10:07
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Nah I just think that format save them, and fucked other teams over, that's it, because is too random. Why would I hate any team lmao.
2021-10-22 10:09
#32
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Russia INESSOR
CPH
2021-10-21 18:27
Ence, big will do fuck all KEKW
2021-10-21 18:29
i think flames will do well. ence are just garbage
2021-10-21 18:29
1 reply
cry more
2021-10-22 06:54
#45
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United States qoietsammy
entropiq will either go out 1-3 in first stage or make playoffs and it's probably the first option ((
2021-10-21 18:37
renegades
2021-10-21 18:39
GODSENT dark horse )
2021-10-21 18:57
NIP most likely will win but Faze or Furia would be dark horses.
2021-10-21 20:31
FaZe
2021-10-21 20:31
FAZE
2021-10-21 20:32
ence got the power of Polish, hades underrated af
2021-10-21 20:37
I don’t think so, maybe big but not ENCE. So the way i have been looking at the major is for any team to win it, they will have to beat Navi or gambit at some point, which I don’t think ENCE can do. That’s why I think liquid is a dark horse, they could beat Gambit or NAvi but struggle against other competition.
2021-10-21 20:37
ENCE
2021-10-21 20:43
only Heroic has a dark horse r8 my joke))) 😎
2021-10-21 20:45
Liquid is a solid dark horse team. They’ve been kinda weak lately, but have at the same time really made other teams work for wins against them. Adren not being there kinda sucks for them though.
2021-10-21 20:48
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liquid havent been weak lately, wtf you talking about. they are looking better now than they have for the last 2 years.
2021-10-22 03:22
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They’ve lost to quite a few teams that aren’t top 5. With the players on liquid, being anywhere below top 5 is pretty weak. They aren’t even a guaranteed playoffs right now.
2021-10-22 03:26
FaZe and Liquid spirit also (i mean look at dota2)
2021-10-22 03:31
movistar will make it to semis then get 16-0'd by renegades
2021-10-22 06:08
#80
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Brazil Khart
FURIA > BIG > ENCE
2021-10-22 07:01
Movistar Riders and ENCE are the only 2 dark horses.
2021-10-22 10:08
Bug Clan dark horse lulw Go bug or go home Sry i had to edit this a bit: Big used the bug in PGL 2017. So ofc they are dark horses! PGL major isnt a major without that German Power House!
2021-10-22 10:27
CPH and ENCE are very good atm, maybe Liquid and BIG but I'm sure the first two will surprise us
2021-10-22 10:22
tyloo will smash navi ,im a time traveler from the past
2021-10-22 13:31
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