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KSCERATO | 
Brazil ROMAG 
people is complainign about falleN in liquid. ok when was not playing consistently as a top awper, but the guys becomed a slave for liquid. hltv.org/stats/players/flashbangs?event=.. most flash per round throwed hltv.org/stats/players/flashbangs?event=.. most second other events hltv.org/stats/players/flashbangs?event=.. hltv.org/stats/players/flashbangs?event=.. hltv.org/stats/players/flashbangs?event=.. throwing flashs like a bitch, IGL and his rating a a bit better than stew and grim. tell me, how he is the problem??
2021-11-01 19:00
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Yeah people say hes the problem while hes actually doing the most important things on the team... i know his rating is not that good, but cs is not only about ratings
2021-11-01 19:04
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#11
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Brazil LMZILLA
+1
2021-11-01 19:23
#59
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United States Rayduh
FalleN is due for retirement (or play at teams like Imperial/Bravos/Paqueta) and will be benched soon due to disappointing results at major
2021-11-01 21:00
11 replies
don't you think that if Fallen was showing disappointing results he wouldn't be already benched instead of being 9 months on the team?
2021-11-01 21:11
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#72
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United States Rayduh
they are waiting for the major because RMR points... i thought it was obvious
2021-11-01 22:13
9 replies
by benching Fallen they would still have the legend spot, i don't think that they will bench Fallen now
2021-11-02 00:13
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#116
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United States Rayduh
I don’t think so
2021-11-02 05:54
"i thought it was obvious" LUL
2021-11-02 00:18
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#115
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United States Rayduh
FalleN will be benched soon I hope u know
2021-11-02 05:53
5 replies
You're delusional, he's literally the best player on the team these days, he's been doing everything he needs to do, if anyone is playing poorly on the team, it's Stewie
2021-11-02 17:27
yeah then liquid will be shit and will lose 75% of their fanslmao
2021-11-02 17:46
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#131
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United States Rayduh
doubt it liquid won grand slam, deep runs in majors, every year until fallen came in, then not even playoffs....and even lose to GODSENT (0-3 team lol)
2021-11-02 17:49
2 replies
oh yeah they won a grandslam a week before fallen joined i forgot
2021-11-02 17:50
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#133
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United States Rayduh
not a week, a year before fallen fallen won nothing with liquid ZERO
2021-11-02 17:50
#80
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Scotland Azaqa
Anyone can throw flashes. You can get a faceit lvl 4 to be flash bitch if you teach them the flashes. If you think this is "most important role" idk what youre smoking.
2021-11-01 22:35
2 replies
anyone can throw flashes is the most stupid thing i read today
2021-11-02 02:21
1 reply
+1
2021-11-02 03:25
#2
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Brazil Ties4
8/8
2021-11-01 19:04
#3
Jame | 
Belarus XessXLX
2021-11-01 19:04
1 reply
Deep
2021-11-01 21:02
he himself isn't a problem. Rather than the fact he isn't that good of an awper. For liquid to succeed, they need a good awper, it is neccessary. NaVi have s1mple, gambit have sh1ro, nip have device, vitality survive just because of zywoo. And liquid don't have such player. elige, naf? they are riflers, they depend on their sniper to create them space
2021-11-01 19:05
31 replies
maybe the way to go is picking up a awper and move fallen to support
2021-11-01 19:07
5 replies
perhaps, he is a solid IGL, but not an awper. Liquid lost to teams with either superior awper, or teams whose playstyle can be limited by an awper. fallen is waaaay worse than the S tier awpers, it simply isn't enough
2021-11-01 19:08
2 replies
Liquid actually lost because Stewie 10am was still sleeping. There was a round when someone was jungle killing his teammates and it seemed like his headphones was with no volume lol
2021-11-01 20:30
1 reply
Probably an effect of the silenced M4. This has happened a lot more frequently since that gun has become meta.
2021-11-02 02:26
#53
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Italy MulaManca
not a bad idea tbh
2021-11-01 20:27
#81
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Scotland Azaqa
Would be a good idea if fallen wasnt shit with every gun other than awp
2021-11-01 22:36
Yeah in this era idk how you supposed to win without a dominant awper. If you don't have a superstar awper you can't even compete but still Liquid lost against some dumb teams. Also they choked again against Faze.
2021-11-01 19:15
17 replies
which awp should liquid get? maybe osee? poizon is avaible but he is very inconsistent
2021-11-01 19:22
16 replies
#12
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Brazil LMZILLA
maybe try?
2021-11-01 19:24
2 replies
does he speak english?
2021-11-01 19:38
1 reply
#87
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United States Herabitix
i think he does but not extremely fluently
2021-11-02 02:24
That is a really difficult question but sorry I just don't buy the hype of osee, he's not really that special as an awper and playing in NA probably hurt his skills. Poizon is a bad choice because Complexity were struggling for a long time waiting for him to be more consistent but that didn't happen. So I think that probably they have to go international to get a truly S tier awper and they must spend a lot of money for buyout. Liquid is rich and they haven't really spent a lot of money in the last 3 years. Grim probably very cheap and Fallen was considered a bot then. Probably buyout mantuu, syrson or even oskar (risky).
2021-11-01 19:26
6 replies
idk the hard thing of picking up mantuu or syrson is that they would need to move to NA. I kind doubt that any players that is tier 1 would move to NA. degster can speak english, oskar I think would change, maybe saffee. really hard to think in a new awper for liquid
2021-11-01 19:32
5 replies
Yeah It's really hard to find a real star awper to play for Liquid rn but on the other hand Fallen played from Europe NA matches with 200 ping and they still went to the finals and choked (surprising) against Pain. But that is not a bad result for basically a 4v5 and Liquid stayed most of 2021 in Europe. So they must find a star awper and spend a lot of money to be a real top team. Idk if saffee or degster are a option because in cs you must talk fast and they probably aren't comfortable in English that much. Mantuu may be the best choice rn.
2021-11-01 19:39
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#88
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United States Herabitix
i doubt pain want to give up saffee
2021-11-02 02:25
3 replies
For the right money they would.
2021-11-04 11:00
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#145
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United States Herabitix
its probably something stupid expensive though so i doubt any teams are really going for him right now
2021-11-04 11:18
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The only realistic team that could get saffee rn is furia but they are doing pretty good with drop so probably not. Yeah and he must be stupid expensive.
2021-11-04 12:35
Maybe torzsi (mouz nxt)
2021-11-01 19:32
5 replies
maybe, but I think that mouz will use torzsi after the major
2021-11-01 19:33
4 replies
Liquid has money to buy him i think, if its that necessary, they should do it
2021-11-01 19:34
3 replies
idk if worth buyout him he is in tier 3. idk how he would play in tier 1. just look the best team that he playes against recentely hltv.org/stats/matches/82726/mouz-nxt-vs.. hltv.org/stats/matches/84190/furia-vs-mo..
2021-11-01 21:18
2 replies
if your team plays bad, you will probably play badly too 1. more need for you to make plays yourself 2. less setup from teammates and less structured play when they die early to t1 strats 3. just less rounds overall so less kills
2021-11-02 02:33
1 reply
i agree. I only think that we should be carefull with those academy players.
2021-11-02 02:34
#17
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Brazil SkirlsEx37
maybe you are right, but so why when he plays great, the intire team sucks?
2021-11-01 19:30
1 reply
because fallen isn't an only 'problem'. Team itself just doesn't work. They were good at Kato and Blast, first two events with fallen. Honey moon
2021-11-01 19:33
he doing really great with rifle ,they can bring a awper and maintain fallen as support and IGL
2021-11-01 19:53
#60
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United States Rayduh
he is just missing every single shots.... Grim also needs to be replaced too
2021-11-01 21:01
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#76
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United States Hubterbean
I don’t know what to do with liquid at this point. No matter how updated with the Meta they get they stagnate. The reality the don’t have the killer instinct you need to be champion. Things don’t go their way and they become super emo. I think that elige gives up when shit isn’t going his way. It’s very hard because we can say get rid of fallen or stewie or grim but we ignore the facts elige looks like he doesn’t want to be their half of the time. Your never going to improve as a team if your star player just gives up when he has to face adversity. At this point I would drop grim and add breeze If I were c9 I would add Stan and daps as coach and add obo grim junior and rush Eg should either go full eu or leave cs and let cerq and Michu go their separate ways
2021-11-01 22:25
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#90
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United States Herabitix
brehze probably wouldnt adjust well to being anchor
2021-11-02 02:27
I think breeze is a really good idea... he's not hard for Liquid to buy and he's a player almost at the same level than Elige and NAF, in my opinion stewie would be kicked but i have the feeling that he gives the orders in this team ( he won a major and smth like that), so all the blame will be falling on grim... Fallen is not the guilty one, today's match he was the one who tried to make things happen for them.
2021-11-02 03:07
agreed
2021-11-01 19:05
liquid improved a lot on ct setups, ct pushes, t side execs and holds when he replaced stewie as igl
2021-11-01 19:10
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#66
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United States Rayduh
doubt it, Liquid losing to Entropiq, GODSENT, Furia FalleN is the problem and needs to leave
2021-11-01 21:05
13 replies
Fallen should go and take stewie on his way.
2021-11-01 21:14
7 replies
#71
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United States Rayduh
nah keep stewie and take Grim
2021-11-01 22:13
6 replies
I dont know what do you find so good about stewie. His decision making is not good, he is whiffing a lot, can tilt like elige and they are better entry fragger than him ( like obo). I know "space creator", but he is not the only know who can to do that.
2021-11-02 01:01
5 replies
Space creator for the aforementioned elige especially.
2021-11-02 02:31
#100
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Canada Dubsyy
stew is on thin ice rn, if they have no result at blast he and fallen will be first to go. his decision making is pretty bad, there were strings of rounds where he would be first death cause he would just lose his duel or get flashed
2021-11-02 02:58
3 replies
My point. Too many crucial mistakes. Honestly, Eg will probably disband and there is Rush who probably want to prove himself again. I don't find Stewie as unique or extraordinary player. More inconsistent than anything else.
2021-11-02 03:27
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#114
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United States Rayduh
Brehze would be amazing to get
2021-11-02 05:52
#112
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United States Rayduh
Nah Fallen first to go, Stewie will never be kicked U just don’t know enough about Liquid
2021-11-02 05:52
fallen > NA scene
2021-11-01 22:32
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#113
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United States Rayduh
Delusional at its finest
2021-11-02 05:52
you only show yourself on hltv to spew your senseless vitriol about fallen get a life
2021-11-02 17:21
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#128
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United States Rayduh
but he really is the problem.... he is not good as a player, he can be coach but not player
2021-11-02 17:43
1 reply
yes, the igl/support is the problem in a team that has grim and stewie going 0.85 in an elimination game you're biased and has zero evidence to back up your petty picking on fallen
2021-11-02 19:14
liquid case is hard. is he the only problem? no but is he part of the problem? definitely. he isnt reliable awper, he is not awper that you can build and play around and he isnt awper that is able to perform on his own on consistent basis. thats just a fact and its a problem in awp meta(just look at fnatic, look at g2 when amanek has good game). actually it looks like that he is more impactful as a supportive rifler at this point
2021-11-01 19:26
7 replies
Yea they could really use a good aggressive awper. I don’t think that grim is the problem but you could kick him and make fallen support and add osee
2021-11-01 19:28
1 reply
yea fallen support rifler+igl and dedicated awper instead of probably grim(nothing against him) is probably the best solution on paper
2021-11-01 19:33
yeah, I agree with you. For me in liquid the only player that is not the problem is NAF. even elige looks like that he kind tilt sometimes. Idk
2021-11-01 19:34
2 replies
yea but even naf played pretty damn bad this major. all liquid players did. noone was able to step up
2021-11-01 19:37
1 reply
They looked defeated before they even played. I do not know why. After the defeat of Entropiq, we almost knew that they had not made the playoffs. Furia play more loose, while Liquid play in order to not lose.
2021-11-02 03:22
Nowadays who is a consistent awper? Nobody.
2021-11-02 03:50
1 reply
Device, s1mple, sh1ro, zywoo (even with his bad start at major he is consistent overall) are without a doubt very consistent awpers
2021-11-02 05:43
Fallen is literally dropping Aks for everyone and playing with MP9 and galil, throwing all the nades for the team. Beyond doing all of this he MUST be a good awper, thats not a ez task to achieve
2021-11-01 19:28
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I mean the case for that is that he stays but as just rifler igl and get an awper with potential, but even then hes 30 how long is he gonna be able to last anyways
2021-11-01 19:32
br col incoming hen1 awper fallen support cold luker chelo entry +1?? would be nice
2021-11-01 19:35
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#96
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Brazil Elpichulas
ngl i think this team with the last guy being a br young talent rifler would have a lot of potential and be very fun to watch, some names pop off but in the realm of possibility there are very little
2021-11-02 02:37
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i can think in some names like malbs, lucaozy, biguzera (not really that young), n1ssim
2021-11-02 02:40
common man...he has 54.01% kills with awp. s1mple 43.5, zywoo 36.98 and device 45.52. he plays more as supportive awper, thats true but no way on earth that you can excuse his individual performance only by that. just no
2021-11-01 19:36
Grim inconsistent af for a player who plays in a stable roster Just imagine if they had twistzz instead of him
2021-11-01 19:30
5 replies
actually I would prefer having twistz over stewie, I like when twist play as entry fragger
2021-11-01 19:36
1 reply
In ct side he is insane but the last I’ve seen playing as a terror he had a poor performance Btw he is such a good player and one of my favorite players
2021-11-01 19:38
I think people go way too easy on grim, they forget he's been on the team for a year and still not has had a consistent month of good performances
2021-11-01 19:38
2 replies
Agree Like dude they gave you everything to shine wtf are you doing If somebody would’ve gave this opportunity i would’ve become even better than naf and elige Jk:)
2021-11-01 19:41
1 reply
Twistzz isn't coming back, but grim is essentially playing all of his roles and twistzz was able to perform in those roles for a long time. Grim's aim is good, but he lacks the game sense to be a consistent tier 1 star
2021-11-01 19:42
Fallen is absolutely awful, your awper should win you games. When is the last time fallen single handedly carried Liquid by dominating with an awp? Him throwing a couple more flashes on average doesn’t make him valuable, literally anyone else can do that aswell. Picking up oSee should be a no-brainer
2021-11-01 19:41
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#67
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Brazil _Awper
FalleN barely plays with awp compared to top awpers, it's common to see him with a smg or galil so Naf or stewie can play with the awp.
2021-11-01 21:10
15 replies
That's not true at all
2021-11-02 05:44
14 replies
#119
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Brazil _Awper
It is true.
2021-11-02 16:39
13 replies
no its not lol. he has more % of awp kills then device, s1mple or zywoo...
2021-11-02 17:03
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#121
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Brazil _Awper
You can't read numbers, right? If Fallen plays with AWP 5 times and he kills 5 times with the AWP but ends the game 10/20, he would have 50% AWP kills and if S1mple ends the game 30/15 but only 10 of his kill are AWP, he would have 33% AWP kills. Just watch the game, usually, the team plays around the awper, but FalleN plays around Liquid... You would never see S1mple playing with Galil so boombl4 can play with the AWP...
2021-11-02 17:19
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fallen 3359 rounds played with 1144 awp kills - 0.34 awp kills per round zywoo 3525 rounds played with 1065 awp kills - 0.30 awp kills per round device 4025 rounds played with 1346 awp kills - 0.33 awp kills per round s1mple 4426 rounds played with 1765 awp kills - 0.39 awp kills per round fallen plays with awp more than both device and zywoo but sure, keep excusing his below average performance by "not playing with awp as often as others" bullcrap which just isnt true and its a FACT
2021-11-02 17:39
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#125
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Brazil _Awper
LOL Dude, you really don't understand how this works right? This is simple math, use your brain please, I will not discuss 5th-grade maths with you, c'mon you can do it! I believe!
2021-11-02 17:42
9 replies
yea sure keep lying to yourself and keep defending fallen lul
2021-11-02 17:43
8 replies
#127
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Brazil _Awper
This is not about FalleN anymore, it is about you not knowing simple maths.
2021-11-02 17:43
7 replies
its obviously you who has problem with math fallen 3359 rounds played with 1144 awp kills, 54.01% kills with awp zywoo 3525 rounds played with 1065 awp kills, 37.11% kills with awp excuse? fallen doesnt play as much with awp as others:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD oh god
2021-11-02 17:46
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#134
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Brazil _Awper
You can't be serious. One more example, it's going be the last one: FalleN plays with the AWP 50 rounds of 100 and kills 50 players with the AWP, this means that he has a 50% of AWP kills, right? Zywoo plays with the AWP 70 rounds of 100 and kills 30 players with the AWP, this means that he has a 30% of AWP kills, right? Can you understand now how math works? This is not even 5th-grade shit, it's not possible to be so dumb man, stop trolling. /end
2021-11-02 17:50
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"FalleN plays with the AWP 50 rounds of 100 and kills 50 players with the AWP, this means that he has a 50% of AWP kills" WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST READ LMAO AHHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHH oh boy you should go back to basic school buddy
2021-11-02 17:52
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#137
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Brazil _Awper
Oof, that's what happens when you lose an argument? Cringe.
2021-11-02 17:53
2 replies
do you realize that those % are from ALL kills right? i guess that you dont. jesus christ im done here. no reason to ague about math with someone as cluess as you. i will leave it here once more fallen 3359 rounds played with 1144 awp kills, 54.01% kills with awp zywoo 3525 rounds played with 1065 awp kills, 37.11% kills with awp but for some reason from paralel universe zywoo plays with awp more often. bye
2021-11-02 17:58
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#140
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Brazil _Awper
YES! You got it! It's from all KILLS! You just answered yourself LOL This means that FalleN KILLS MORE WITH AWP with fewer rounds and NOT THAT HE PLAYS MORE! Zywoo is also the worst example possible, he is on the same page as FalleN when we talk about playing less with AWP than others. Read the article I send you if you want to learn basic maths.
2021-11-02 18:01
#138
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Brazil _Awper
Read this, it may help you: blog.statscore.com/what-does-the-shot-co..
2021-11-02 17:56
It's okay, there will be a shuffle with EG and Liquid soon.
2021-11-01 19:43
#39
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Peru Elkauza
8/8
2021-11-01 19:43
#40
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Norway Lassii
Fallen is trash
2021-11-01 19:44
8 replies
Tyloo...
2021-11-01 19:49
7 replies
#49
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Norway Lassii
He is playing in a major and is one map away from getting knocked out and this bot forgets to buy a gun xD clips.twitch.tv/PlayfulGrotesquePuddingP.. TRASH
2021-11-01 19:53
6 replies
Let me know when a Tyloo leaves Tier 5.
2021-11-01 20:19
4 replies
#56
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Norway Lassii
Let me know when fallen stop stealing paychecks, or when he remembers to buy a gun in a major XDDDDDDDDD
2021-11-01 20:58
3 replies
Tyloo......
2021-11-01 22:14
2 replies
#75
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Norway Lassii
wow ur so funny, fucking degen
2021-11-01 22:17
1 reply
Ah Tyloo.....
2021-11-01 22:59
#55
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United States bxteme
LMFAO???
2021-11-01 20:33
#41
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Iceland Voidsphere
I thought Liquid improved quite a lot since FalleN joined and it feels like both grim and stew are the weaker links in this team. They're way too inconsistent.
2021-11-01 19:45
#42
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Portugal w1nter23
+1
2021-11-01 19:46
Stewie and grim is the problem
2021-11-01 19:46
nitr0 better igl+awp
2021-11-01 19:48
1 reply
nitr0? Or VALOnitr0?
2021-11-01 19:50
#47
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Brazil PqSxd
liquid were dropping every nade to him againts faze, why have a full support awp? ofc Fallen is a beast with flashes, but he can't do it everytime, not with the awp
2021-11-01 19:53
#51
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Romania tobz83
dont care device better
2021-11-01 20:20
1 reply
i think last time they played against each other fallen won the awp picks, overpass and dust2 i believe. but device is better overall
2021-11-01 20:26
#57
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Other TheNine
He is playing for the team, always dropping weapons and buying utilities. But that doesn't change the fact the his awping has been subpar.
2021-11-01 20:58
fallen major winner 2025 i from future
2021-11-01 20:59
He has the awp. That automatically makes your stats way better.
2021-11-01 21:01
well observed
2021-11-01 21:02
#65
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Indonesia lukerey
A lot of org doubt smooya when they had a chance to grab him. Now look at FNATIC, they ready to burst into top 10 maybe top 5 next year with him. UK supremacy.
2021-11-01 21:05
People are just delusional that cant see that Grim is always playing likw a pussy and chockin everytime
2021-11-01 22:29
2 replies
grim is playing more than a year in liquid but he still inconsistent
2021-11-02 02:35
He in vertigo is hard to watch... I think the hole team just have to play more together and try to have a consistent rhythm in the game (ex. Gambit and CHF having more then 1 game per day for a year). Would not make any changes yet.
2021-11-02 02:56
#78
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Brazil cattivo
You know that most HLTV users don't know how to play cs, they just vomit opinions and hate, not worth it
2021-11-01 22:30
#93
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Brazil NOTALOKKA
I think fallen should focus on being a primary AWPer instead of trying to do every role possible at once, It's necessary to have a tier 1 AWPer if you want to succeed as a team and he is not focusing on the AWP
2021-11-02 02:33
Fallen is a natural as americans like to call it. The problem is the lack of personality from the other players Grim or NAF EXTREMELY PASSIVE..like blue collar workers.
2021-11-02 02:43
#105
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Brazil Steger
xenophobia, Just because he's Brazilian on a North American team
2021-11-02 03:32
1 reply
why do you think that?
2021-11-02 17:51
maybe -grim +better awper then fallen secondary awp/support maybe work idk
2021-11-02 03:32
The best decision for fallen is build a New team like TACO did. Still some good players available in Brazil. He needs to step back to earn more confidence and teach good talents how to play a properly CS. I world like to see this team FalleN coldzera saffe chelo lucaozy
2021-11-02 03:37
problem is, thats what not fallen came into liquid to do, or atleast what we expected. everoyne expected revival of bad fallen with his awp and igling but now its just inconsistent awping, supporting and igling thats only in the first 10 sec of round
2021-11-02 03:43
#117
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Russia arc_
He throws flashes so he must definitely not frag much, that too as the primary awper, yes
2021-11-02 06:04
#118
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Poland ignacyi
xd
2021-11-02 06:05
other liquid player are not performing as they should, but people still blaming fallen
2021-11-04 11:01
I think hes been doing well
2021-11-04 11:02
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