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Russia justreadtheinstruction 
That thread is still relevant: hltv.org/forums/threads/2491318/heroic-p.. CIS won 11 out of 12 S-tier tournaments of this year: liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour.. Heroic is still the best non-cis team in the world. Is this CIS era or not yet?
2021-11-09 14:34
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ofc its cis era anyone else that doesnt think this is wrong
2021-11-09 14:35
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+1
2021-11-09 14:36
G2 is the best non-cis team. yes NaVi and Gambit won most of the tournaments and are probably the two best teams overall this year.
2021-11-09 14:36
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Greece Noocklas
+1
2021-11-09 14:37
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Ukraine alexftw
would g2 still be best non cis team if heroic didnt choke their 15:14 lead?
2021-11-09 14:39
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What is this random ass hypothetical. idc what could have happened. There is also the fact that G2 have been much more consistent over 2021 than Heroic except those 2 really bad tournaments after the player break.
2021-11-09 14:42
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Ukraine alexftw
hltv.org/events/5553/esl-pro-league-seas.. hltv.org/events/5506/dreamhack-open-fall.. hltv.org/events/4939/esl-one-cologne-202.. G2 0 trophies 2018-2021 Heroic 3 every trophy heroic won G2 was also participating in the tournament only thing that is G2 consistant in is G02, G03 g2esports.com/products/g2-choker
2021-11-09 15:03
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2 of those events are in 2020... So 1+year ago. btw winning trophies isn the only thing. consistency is also important when you rank teams. Heroic you can argue can the best peak, but over time G2 are the most consistent team.
2021-11-09 15:05
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Ukraine alexftw
ok lets take another statistic win rate % matches past 3 month G2 has the lowest winrate in entire top10 in fact first team with lower winrate is mouz at 13 rank heroic wr 66.7% g2 55
2021-11-09 15:09
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in this case you are adding in the two worst performances G2 has had in 2020 + Heroic playing half decent. hltv.org/stats/teams/events/7175/heroic?.. hltv.org/stats/teams/events/5995/g2?star.. you can compare the results. It is close, but right now I still believe G2 is the best non-cis team. Choking a 15-14 lead plays a part of course, but at the end of the day G2 has better placing and have beat Heroic. hltv.org/results?team=7175&team=5995&req.. Heroic has never beat this version of G2 as well.
2021-11-09 15:13
Not with choko and amanek
2021-11-10 10:52
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Russia Demolicius
Heroic: win EPL 13 without losing semis in DreamHack Masters Spring semis in EPL 14 semis in major from challengers stage 4th place in flashpoint 3 G2: semis in DreamHack Masters Spring 3rd place at flashpoint 3 semis in IEM Summer 3rd place at BLAST Spring Finals final in IEM Cologne final in major G2 can't win tournament, Heroic win EPL 13 when they started at 14 place of HLTV top and win final vs main favorite
2021-11-10 12:51
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Denmark Kon10R
I don't think we ever spoke about an "EU" era, so "CIS" era is a bit ... mmmeeh ... We will see if NaVi keep it up, but there's a loooong way before it will be considered an "era".
2021-11-09 14:40
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Ukraine alexftw
eu era is default settings so other regions have to earn it the harder way
2021-11-09 15:05
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Denmark Kon10R
At least I haven't seen or heard the concept of "regional eras" before.
2021-11-10 00:45
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Ukraine alexftw
guess its because of astralis era and its overused nowadays watching pro scene since 2008 and there were no eras before
2021-11-10 00:48
Well, there wasn't exactly "EU era", tbh. More like "Swedish era" with a little mix of France, then Luminosity/SK and Astralis. We'll see if Na'Vi can be consistent enough for it to become "Na'Vi era", but for now it is "CIS era". Also, this term probably exists because CIS team also won TI and Gambit are one of the favourites in upcoming Valorant Champions.
2021-11-10 01:14
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Denmark Kon10R
To me the "era of eras" ended with Astralis losing the top1 spot to Liquid after more than a year, but if you like to call it "CIS era", it's absolutely fine with me. It's just semantics. The important thing is that while there always was a lot of individual talent in the CIS region we now also see strategic and tactical understanding of the game on top (literally). We may hopefully see the Brazillian/NA as well as Oceanian/Asian regions develop as well the coming years, and then we have a REAL competitive scene on our hands! 😎👍
2021-11-10 07:04
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Portugal Andrelelel
Nip still top4 somehow
2021-11-09 14:41
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Brazil NotJuan
only 2 cis teams in top5 rest eu
2021-11-09 14:41
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Portugal Andrelelel
yeah but those 2 rekt any other team
2021-11-09 14:44
This is sad, but I am sure VP will make top5 in next 1-2 tournaments
2021-11-09 14:51
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Canada go1x1n00b
why is everyone talking about ''CIS'' region? It's not even a thing, and Ukraine isn't part of CIS. CIS=EU.
2021-11-09 14:54
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2021-11-09 14:55
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Spain Nepomu
G2 better than heroic though
2021-11-09 15:05
#18
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Europe JohnMurphy
Heroic bring back old logo
2021-11-09 15:07
#20
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Russia mshkoda
cis year but not era by far
2021-11-09 15:10
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What is era then? 2 years?
2021-11-09 15:45
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Russia mshkoda
at least)
2021-11-09 15:50
heroic were only good at epl and major,thats it
2021-11-09 15:15
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#53
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Russia Demolicius
at DreamHack too
2021-11-10 12:52
heroic > Asstralis
2021-11-09 15:55
#28
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
I know flair checks out but G2 was way better throughout the year. Major and Cologne close finals, always made at least semis in almost every tournament, was clearly ahead of every other team but those 2 Also, 2 CIS good teams doesn't make a CIS era. 2019 wasn't NA era was it?
2021-11-10 00:53
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NA took 7/19 (no major) S-tier tournaments in 2019. CIS took 11/12 (major included) in 2021. How tf do you compare?
2021-11-10 09:03
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
More competition at the time, but the dominant team was liquid, and EG was at the time one of the best teams too. It doesn't matter if all trophies but one were won by CIS teams if there only were 2 teams winning it. IF more CIS teams were good tier 1 teams competing for trophies and showing good performances there would be, in fact a CIS era. But that's not the case, and there are only 3 CIS tier 1 teams
2021-11-10 19:35
0-5 in pro league, heroic would never
2021-11-10 10:53
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#56
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Major finalist, Cologne finalists, 5 or more events in a row finnishing at least in the semi finals. Heroic would never
2021-11-10 19:36
#29
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Serbia eliiiiii_
G2 easily the best EU team of the year due to consistency, although Heroic have had a higher peak, but for much shorter
2021-11-10 00:57
#32
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Finland AliSabid
g2 > heroic
2021-11-10 07:06
Sadly most of this year has been online, so the only real tournament that counts is the major and cologne. The rest will not count as a legit tournament win.
2021-11-10 09:06
of course it's a CIS era when most of the tournaments were online
2021-11-10 09:19
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except that both S-tier LANs this year have been won by a CIS team...
2021-11-10 10:48
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ye true, still want consistency and navi is the only CIS team i've seen that from
2021-11-10 10:51
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I mean yeah, but Na'Vi are way ahead of everyone else rn, Gambit did well considering the expectations people had towards them (on LAN), Entropiq did really well too and so did VP considering they have a new 5th I believe that they will do well on the upcoming LANs too
2021-11-10 10:53
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only time will tell gonna be really exciting to see entropic as well as CPHF if they can keep up their form but yea, navi are just too good atm nad heroic also have a habit of showing inconistency
2021-11-10 10:56
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+1
2021-11-10 12:35
Heroic gonna win blast
2021-11-10 09:56
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Denmark Lyoa
EZ4HUNDEN Pog
2021-11-10 09:58
Now it's time for Cloud9 to shine
2021-11-10 10:16
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Netherlands _FerSen_
Its Navi era, not CIS. Not that lan is starting gambit wil choke for at least another year. So the experienced EU teams like G2/heroic/vita/astralis (after roster shuffle) will be > Gambit and the other online CIS teams. But Navi > everybody else.
2021-11-10 10:59
i thought cis era in feburaruy but spirit and vp disappoint, i say no
2021-11-10 11:03
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VP and Entropiq will shine next tournaments 100%
2021-11-10 16:37
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