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Liquid Denied make a changes until 2022
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Europe LimGardz 
2021-11-10 07:24
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I doubt they're going to be good because of these tensions
2021-11-10 07:25
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#53
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Argentina SantiMedia
omg, i didnt know anything do you mean the new br rooster tensions or what?
2021-11-11 01:40
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fallen wants to play one style, elige and stew want to play a different way.
2021-11-11 19:43
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#79
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Argentina SantiMedia
F
2021-11-12 05:07
#2
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
not shocked they wanna wait 2 months for changes doesnt change much imo
2021-11-10 07:38
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+1
2021-11-10 08:17
#18
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Sweden Lagge15
Just a bit over a month. IEM winter is their last event
2021-11-10 09:28
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#30
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
yeah exactly
2021-11-10 17:47
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#33
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Sweden Lagge15
With Roster lock for Blast being in the middle of the Major, and the IEM Winter roster lock being in the middle of Blast there isn't really any room for them to make roster changes without having negative impact on their results
2021-11-10 18:28
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#34
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
yep. Why throw 2 tournys that you have a chance to underdog/fluke run and make it far when you can just wait 2 months and pick up players after
2021-11-10 18:29
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#35
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Sweden Lagge15
That shouldn't concern them. But the impact it would have regarding the remaining players and the future roster additions would be detrimental to say the least Better start a new year with a new roster, like BIG did in 2020.
2021-11-10 18:38
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and where are big now? berlin international garbage had a fluke run in the online era and returned to being garbage.
2021-11-11 20:09
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#74
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Sweden Lagge15
The roster was #1 in the world, and then their coach stepped aside because his side-/passion project blew up and he needed to decide to dedicate either to coaching or his business. Since then they've had issues. and if they fail after 18 months, that's quite understandable
2021-11-11 21:43
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fluke team can't win shit anymore. Fluke event that's it. All they had to do was beat mouz for faze to be comfortably in the major but they choked against ac0r. 0 respect to that garbage.
2021-11-11 22:03
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cringelord, when a player like xantares leaves, you WILL feel the impact.
2021-11-12 05:17
They may also play Blast Premiere World Final too, If they secure ranking (more likely) or win Fall Final (less likely).
2021-11-11 21:53
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#76
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Sweden Lagge15
actually not impossible - but that also means roster lock amidst IEM Winter - which makes it unlikely they make a roster change. All points toward it being much more logical waiting until the break.
2021-11-11 22:00
Wow, unexpected. We all thought that the roster changes were happening tomorrow
2021-11-10 07:41
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#4
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Finland r1CEsT1CK
I think its good that they just get time.
2021-11-10 07:43
#5
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Europe LimGardz
i guess they don't want to let coldzera join after fallen report to join with coldzera
2021-11-10 07:45
#19
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Sweden Lagge15
True. Why don't teams just change players straight away? Should be roster changes 2 hours after someone is bad
2021-11-10 09:29
Doesn't need to be any roster changes. They need strat changes. Specifically on their T-side Inferno. They always pick that map but they are too predictable on it now. That map is why they were booted from the tournament. They kept taking too much damage on banana, and they only had two or three basic approaches to site A. You can not win that way. They have to get out of their comfort zone. If that means staying away from what they consider their best map, then so be it. Like I said, the roster isn't the problem. Fallen may not be in his prime, but he is still a great player. Same with Stewie2k. Obviously nothing wrong with Elige. Both NAF and Grim are still capable riflers and support role players. However, it's clear from the comments changes will be made eventually. It will be a mistake. There is nobody developing young talent, which is going to result in another patchwork roster that won't be given the time to gel together.
2021-11-10 07:59
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
+1
2021-11-10 17:50
#32
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Brazil STREEEEEET
Strat for sure., but players are also falling short. Even Elige with all his skill, makes dumb decisions quite often.
2021-11-10 17:52
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A lot of that stems from indecision. That indecision is created by the chaos following a key player going down at the worst possible moment. That player went down because everyone has seen these plays over and over. Like Stewie dying on banana every round or taking massive damage rendering his lurk/decoy role useless. Players are falling short, because they're never given a chance to execute.
2021-11-11 00:07
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#57
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Brazil STREEEEEET
I agree that the lack of coordination and strategy hurts them a lot. But after a year with this roster is it unreasonable to conclude that these players do not work well together? On an individual level, Fallen, Grim and Stewie sometimes are not there either. I can't see how Liquid can fix this team to challenge the top teams. It would have to become a truly international roster for sure. Buy out Zywoo and Niko, that would be a good start...
2021-11-11 02:01
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A year isn't that long, and considering which year we're talking about, I think making a few exceptions more than justified. Not only has the 2020-21 year been a mess outside of csgo, but all these other teams made major changes to their rosters and that throws a lot of planning and strats out the window. As much as I'd wouldn't mind seeing Zywoo and Niko on the same team while they still have a future, I don't see it happening on my side of the Atlantic. International rosters aren't that easy when you're separated by 5000 miles.
2021-11-11 10:24
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United States lGalaxiuml
I partly agree, yes, strat changes are needed, but also I think fallen is underperforming so much that they could truely improve with a new, young, star awper.
2021-11-10 21:50
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But there is no new, young talent being developed and Fallen isn't as bad as people say. Again, these players aren't given a chance play at their peak, because the strat falls apart in the first 30-45 seconds of the round. Case-in-point, Fallen goes for early peeks with the AWP nearly every round, but these shots aren't as easy to make anymore. It's not that Fallen is bad, it's that everyone else has gotten better. Improve the strats and you will see every single player on the team improve.
2021-11-11 00:22
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I kinda agree with you, but the team seems not to be in the same pace, with the same ideas, stewie always getting angry and elige seems to be disagreeing with the strats, i think a change is inevitable, i'd like to see either breeze or coldzera as a replacement for stew, but i guess it is too hard to happen, giving that stew and Fallen are friends out of the server!
2021-11-11 01:50
#58
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United States lGalaxiuml
There's plenty of new young talent outside of NA. Not every single player needs to be br/na for it to be an NA team. As for strats, I think fallen and stew are mostly to blame. They both want the leadership role and they just dont work together. Fallen still needs to go even if the strats are the reason he's underperforming.
2021-11-11 02:16
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True, there are plenty of people outside NA, but that's also a problem. First, you have a language barrier for a lot of those people, so you would have to have someone very proficient in English, not just English speaking. Second, they'd have to essentially live in the US for most of the year. It's not just a matter of choosing who you want and then going after him. They'd have to choose to leave their families and life half a world away. And you are correct about who is to blame, but I still disagree that anyone should be kicked over it. At least not until they have proven they aren't willing to make the necessary changes. Remember, these guys have essentially only been together for one season. If there are no improvements, and that may include Fallen giving up the AWP, then...yeah...someone has to go.
2021-11-11 10:15
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#62
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United States lGalaxiuml
Yes, there is a language barrier, but I feel like there are alot of t2-t3 star awpers that would be willing to make the sacrafice to make it into the t1 scene. Even though s1mple had some t1 experience before he came to liquid, he was still very young and new. He made the sacrafice to really make it to t1. Not saying we need to sign another s1mple, just saying that people like him exist.
2021-11-11 19:33
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But the thing is there is not many igls available. Even if fallen or stewie kinda fail in that position, who can do it from them ? In na, there is jt and Stanislaw and maybe azr. It is not getting a good awper thr main problem, it is getting a new igl.
2021-11-11 19:52
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United States lGalaxiuml
I don't think it's that either of them are bad at calling, I think it's that both of them want to call, then elige wants to call some and it just doesn't work. You can't have 3 different strats in a round and expect it to end well. They need 1 IGL and maybe they can let elige call some. Right now they're all just calling whatever they want and it's not working.
2021-11-11 19:50
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I know. I think elige should second call. There are too many voices in that team. And I'm not sure about the leadership of stew. He is not bad but he is not a top10 igl either. I mean Stewie is affected at lot by his individual performance. If he struggles, he will do bad calls. Of course, the indivdual and igl performance are linked, but I feel it is too linked for Stewie.
2021-11-11 20:00
#52
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Brazil Anarchybr
+1 People see s1mple and zywhoo and then they seen fallen and say he’s bad. He’s not. Not great sweeper anymore but still decent.
2021-11-11 01:38
They've had this roster for like 8-9 months now,how much are they going to change now,this far in?Dont you think they tried new stuff earlier,why would they just realise now they need to change strats? They had tons of time to prepare for the major,create new strats etc but they bombed the fuck out,this roster is done.If there was some change that could make them good it would've happened by now
2021-11-11 19:42
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8 or 9 months is nothing. I don't know why you think this is a long time, especially considering all the things that went on during this time, nor do I care. No, they did not try "new stuff" outside of a couple boosts, which is not exactly changing strats or map picks. Just because your mind has decided something, without having any knowledge or experience in the matter, doesn't mean reality has to play along with whatever nonsense you've scripted in that rabbit hole of a brain.
2021-11-12 00:04
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This is objective but I think it's absurd that you think that 8-9 months is not a long time, "considering all the things that went on" literally nothing went on for liquid, they have stagnated horribly and are mediocre at best vs t1 opposition. This roster is finished, get over it.
2021-11-12 05:15
9 months is nothing?Interesting how you say I'm writing nonsense yet this alone proves you have no sense of reality whatsoever. If you followed CS for some time,you would know that even a lot of actually good rosters only last about 12-18 months,and then I'm talking about teams that actually achieved something,not what this Liquid has done.Also,most teams show their best level 3-6 months in when they had enough time together. This Liquid had mediocre results for almost a year now even with some changes in roles,coach etc but they failed to become better. If there could be something done by them that would make the team better that would've already happened,when they were preparing for the major for example.
2021-11-12 06:00
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9 months is nothing. You read that right. The fact that rosters only last 12-18, as you claim, is merely a reflection of your mindset being widespread. It is a reflection of the unnecessarily high turnover rate in csgo. It is a reflection of the impatience of fans, management, and players. It is not proof that 9 months is sufficient. But I'm not going to continue arguing with someone who is convinced they are correct and is completely unwilling to entertain any other point of view. You just don't know what you're talking about. That should be obvious to everyone once you claimed rosters only last 12-18 months, but you were only willing to give Liquid 50-75% of that time. Get lost.
2021-11-13 01:06
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Finland Karppanator
Well 2022 isn't far now.
2021-11-10 08:15
#9
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Japan Legoshi
+ben1337 +osee/pwnalone/junior ez top 5 team
2021-11-10 08:17
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Ez clapping tier 15 Na Teams Yeasir Top 5!
2021-11-10 09:19
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Japan Legoshi
no faith NA was always a top 5 to top 15 scene they just need help getting back on their feet
2021-11-10 09:20
#21
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Sweden Lagge15
Top 5 NA maybe... If we remove all BR teams
2021-11-10 09:38
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#36
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Japan Legoshi
wrong
2021-11-10 21:41
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#37
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Sweden Lagge15
Nah, I think it is possible to be top 5 NA team (if we exclude Brazilian teams) with your suggested players. TOP10 worst
2021-11-10 21:42
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#38
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Japan Legoshi
nah top 5 world rankings free
2021-11-10 21:43
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#39
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Sweden Lagge15
Yeah, if we exclude all teams not from Mexico, US, Canada and South Africa
2021-11-10 21:45
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#40
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Japan Legoshi
nah including all teams
2021-11-10 21:45
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#41
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Sweden Lagge15
Except the top 60?
2021-11-10 21:48
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#42
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Japan Legoshi
including ALL teams
2021-11-10 21:49
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#45
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Sweden Lagge15
In LA?
2021-11-10 21:51
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#46
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Japan Legoshi
Yes
2021-11-10 21:51
#10
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Finland iBait
>Earlier reports had stated that FalleN is in talks with coldzera to build a Brazilian CS:GO super team. Damn Afkgaming just rekt Brazil, no chill whatsoever
2021-11-10 08:21
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#11
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Europe LimGardz
hahaha right
2021-11-10 09:11
no offense, just wondering if Fallen left Liquid and reunite with coldzera, they still need 3 more players to form a team...they even wanted to make a super team sounds like impossible lmao the current good brazil team seems like they won't shuffle their players unless they really need to do so
2021-11-10 09:22
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Asia flipflop
Liquid don't want to change roster. It's not like players want be in the roster. Both are different.
2021-11-10 09:27
#17
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Sweden Lagge15
How is that a rekt in any way? That is what has been reported by multiple news sites
2021-11-10 09:27
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#20
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Finland iBait
FalleN Coldzera Fer FNX The point is that the Brazilian CS scene would have to be pretty much dogshit for that to be a Brazilian superteam
2021-11-10 09:39
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#23
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Sweden Lagge15
That's not the reporters fault that the players think this is BR super team
2021-11-10 09:41
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#24
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Finland iBait
The players didn't write the article though
2021-11-10 09:53
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#26
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Sweden Lagge15
It isn't one article. It is multiple articles on multiple sites citing people close to the project which means the words comes from FalleN or Coldzera
2021-11-10 10:00
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#27
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Finland iBait
We already knew about Cold, Fallen, fer and fnx making up for the bulk of the team when this Afkgaming article came out, so when the author calls it a Brazilian superteam and implies that it's the best team Brazil could put together he's either making fun of the Brazilian scene or pandering to FalleN fans
2021-11-10 10:10
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#28
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Sweden Lagge15
It is the same phrasing as the first reports which was "FalleN to team up with Coldzera to build a Brazilian super team" which most likely is the dream/intention for the players But it won't become a super team
2021-11-10 10:11
There is clearly a need for second superteam to play against team Get_Right.
2021-11-10 11:21
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Sweden Lagge15
No real surprise. It is only a month until the player break ad they got two events left to play, of which one already had a roster lock and the one after that will have roster lock while the first event is ongoing. Not to mention that you can't really find too many benefits from doing roster changes before the player break anyway.
2021-11-10 09:26
yep, like everyone said, no surprise here, just play out the remaining events, go into winter player break and then make changes
2021-11-10 09:40
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#25
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Sweden Lagge15
Like they did for winter break 2020, summer break 2020, summer break 2018
2021-11-10 09:59
#43
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Oceania xJ7
NOTHING IS CHANGING FOR 45 DAYS, ALL THOSE RUMORS ARE UNTRUE.
2021-11-10 21:50
I mean yeah they have to play in Europe and it wouldn’t make sense to make a roster change in the middle of these events.
2021-11-11 00:17
Just praying they don't pick up some average NA player. Maybe they will realize that a buyout for an EU star that's willing to play for an NA team is their best option. That, and they should be looking to build an EU based academy team. Just throw a bunch of FPL demons on it and call it good.
2021-11-11 01:31
Wanting for end of year to see real roster mania? Makes sense
2021-11-11 01:35
Looks like they're confirming that in 2022 there will be changes in Liquid roster. Sad to see it, this roster just need time to thrive.
2021-11-11 01:46
Liquid Denied make a changes until 2022
2021-11-11 01:46
Ez4ence
2021-11-11 10:25
Correct decision!
2021-11-11 19:44
stewie to spirit!!!!!!!!!!!
2021-11-11 19:48
Stew to EG still makes sense as EG have no events for the rest of the year
2021-11-11 19:58
- fallen +nitr0 - grim +twistzz ez grandslam
2021-11-11 20:00
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Sounds familiar for some reason...
2021-11-12 05:12
#84
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France PP_Bizon
2022 is less than 2 months away, so nothing shocking. All the roster changes will really happen then tbh
2021-11-12 05:50
#86
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Sweden Lagge15
either you misspelt or misunderstood the article They are not denied to make the changes, they just figured that making changes amidst 3 events is not the smartest move. Play for 1 more month and then make the changes.
2021-11-12 08:33
-elige +vsm (more skilled star player) -stew +leo_drk (better entry) -grim +trk (better anchor player) -naf +cold (better baiter/clutcher) -fallen +kng (better igl and awper) EZ LIQUID ERA TRUST ME
2021-11-13 03:31
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