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sh1ro, niko or zywoo?
HObbit | 
Pakistan sanos 
who deserves top 2? who will be top 2? greatest farce ever will be sh1ro imo as a star player he has the best team around him and the least impact he will get exposed like device when he is in a different team, without nafany hobbit and ax1le around him he would be top 15 player at best
2021-11-22 20:34
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Depends on the events left. As of now, sh1ro. Edit - Relevant Stats for cover page rating: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. And when we put the context of these stats into the picture, in addition to accolades, I think sh1ro edges out slightly.
2021-11-22 20:37
23 replies
I think sh1ro will be 2nd but zywoo at least played better more important events if we remove tier3 V4 and not so relevant blast showdown, it's 1.29 vs 1.24 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2021-11-22 20:40
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Estonia ZedarZ
and he did it while having a god awful team most of the time while Gambit probably has the best teamwork itw atm (except maybe navi)
2021-11-22 20:43
If you remove all the direct qualifiers: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. And the point is simple. sh1ro's stats are from playing about 8-9 Tier1 Grand Finals (11 or so Total Finals) and winning 6 of them (8 or so total). He's played deep in the playoffs of literally every event Gambit participated in. He's likely to have 3x the playoffs maps as compared to ZywOo. And also 3 MVPs on top + EVPs of literally every event. All in all, I think sh1ro has the edge slightly. That being said, overall rating difference is still significant and the last few LANs can change a lot.
2021-11-22 20:45
8 replies
yeah, most likely sh1ro will be 2nd but I just kinda feel bad for zywoo but I'd like to see NiKo as 2nd ngl
2021-11-22 20:50
7 replies
why would you feel bad for ZywOo? He is great I think skillwise him and s1mple are by far the best but to get #2 for 2021 when he was like 3-4 tournaments in play off rest he went out in groups just 1 final and 0 wins 0 MVPs Then you have sh1ro who was half of the year in #1 team and all of the year in top3 while winning a lot of big events and having 2 big event MVPs and 1 little smaller but still if it has hltv MVP it will have some weight I think you should feel sad for sh1ro if he wont get #2 this year. But we still have 3 Big tournaments and sh1ro wont play one of them so we'll see
2021-11-23 09:18
6 replies
He feels bad cause zywoo can't get MVPs and top finishes in events if his team is only worthy of a top 10. If zywoo had a better team around him no doubt he could be no.2.
2021-11-23 09:56
2 replies
yes you are right he could be even #1 but its pretty much like s1mple in 2019 or even better s1mple in 2017 I know I know s1mple had electronic in 2019 and ZywOo had 0 teammates in top20 but on the other hand Vitality were a lot better team ten NAVI even if s1mple and elec played good
2021-11-23 10:04
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Yes me as a vitality fan think s1mple is better as an individual player but if your team cant help you make playoffs you don't even get the opportunity to challenge for the trophy and HLTV MVP. It makes sense s1mple has a good team now and probably 2 of his teammates in top 15. zywoo just got a dysfunctional team which could drop him to 3rd best unless he does reallyyy well in the next 3 events
2021-11-23 11:06
I feel bad for him because he has been a better player than sh1ro this year in my opinion, but he most likely will be out of top2 just because he got a bit unlucky with all that team reshuffles
2021-11-23 11:49
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Maybe individually ZywOo is better and even that I would say sh1ro is pretty high skillwise. But Vitality made literally one change this year there was nothing like big shuffle or a lot of changes. So its not "just because he got a bit unlucky with all that team reshuffles" but its because teams learned how to play against them same like it was with NAVI when they just played around s1mple Then you have Gambit team where you have 4/5 players rookies just before Katowice they still played shitty tier3 events and now they are one of the best teams in this year so I feel like if ZywOo will be #2 this year it will be big disappointment
2021-11-23 11:57
#246
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Uzbekistan GODranar
Also true. Zyw0o pulls out crazy numbers but he never has a team player with him. He carries Vitality hard. I honestly think Vitality without Zyw0o wouldn't be a top 10/15 team. I'm a dude btw
2021-11-23 12:20
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. also only the highest tier events. Something close to this will be "elite events" ranking
2021-11-22 20:45
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#101
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. these are the elite eents. groups stages from blast and kato,colonge playins,major challemnger stage are not considered with elite events
2021-11-22 22:41
3 replies
yeah, I've already changed it for me. The only thing I don't know is if DHM Sprint is an elite event or no. Last year it was, but idk
2021-11-22 22:44
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#109
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
dhm is spring is a certain elite event. it had 14 top 20 teams.it way more stacked than some bigger events like major or cologne. only question is iem fall elite or not. It was LAN but only rmr for the major.
2021-11-22 22:47
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Yeah, about DHM makes sense. But IEM Fall is definitely not an elite event since it is an RMR, basically quals for major and all teams had different objectives for that tournament, so winning wasn't even the main priority. Top1 and Top2 teams couldn't attend it too
2021-11-22 22:52
#98
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
remove those qualifier. only include actual events. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. this will be more accurate
2021-11-22 22:38
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2021-11-23 07:43
#212
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Uzbekistan R_Sick
Good job
2021-11-23 08:42
#199
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France iatis
Sh1ro stats are boosted by the fact gambit as a team play better. Thus Sh1ro have more round with weapon advantage over enemy than Zywoo have. The only stats available which is fair regarding equipment, is the pistols one. I think Zywoo is by far the number 1 in that regard. But Pistols do not represent the whole game, so we can't really say. hltv.org/stats/players/pistols?startDate.. As for me, because I believe team achievement should be include in the ranking process, I think Sh1ro deserves number 2.
2021-11-23 08:06
2 replies
I agree with what you said, however, that is literally irrelevant as far as HLTV Top20 Ranking is concerned. Also, it's not always easier to get high stats if entire team is good. There's a fixed maximum number of kills that a team can get. If entire team is good, the star player would get lesser kills since his teammates are also getting lots of kills. Also, the maps get over much more quickly (because team is good), and so the total kills decrease even more. However, I still agree with your general point.
2021-11-23 08:05
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#205
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France iatis
And I agree with your point also. It is so unnatural in cs to compare individuals ;) But still, having those category in stats would be so nice : Eco vs eco Small buy vs small buy Full buy VS full buy Eco vs small buy Eco VS full buy And so on.
2021-11-23 08:10
zywoo didnt get too many playoffs or at least not too deep
2021-11-23 15:08
#2
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United Kingdom Triturn
sh1ro, not even a question Zywoo will be third unless G2 wins fall final
2021-11-22 20:35
12 replies
g2 can't win fall final
2021-11-22 20:47
6 replies
#30
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United Kingdom Triturn
I agree
2021-11-22 20:51
5 replies
Nice
2021-11-22 20:51
because they aint even playing in it
2021-11-22 22:11
3 replies
They are lol
2021-11-22 23:28
2 replies
1 reply
Thought they are talking about iem
2021-11-23 00:11
2021-11-22 23:01
4 replies
2020 Elite events rating: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. Clearly, it didn't make much difference.
2021-11-23 07:40
3 replies
Because zywoo had better rating in the playoffs of those elite events, because their basic rating was the same because his impact rating was higher etc... at the end s1mple and zywoo had better stats than the other a bit everywhere so mvp made the difference, for sh1ro, he doesnt have a better stats anywhere than zywoo and the basic rating / impact rating is much much lower
2021-11-23 11:34
2 replies
Exactly, agreed with the first part about s1mple/ZywOo. In 2021, sh1ro would have at least 3x-4x more playoffs maps than ZywOo. Reason - sh1ro has played 9 Tier1 grandFinals and overall 11 grandFinals (winning 6 MVP-based events and overall 8 events), and deep in the playoffs of literally every event. In addition, being a part of the winning team, his playoff stats would also be higher than ZywOo's playoff stats, since Vitality often did badly in playoffs, even if they did well in groups. In 2020, s1mple had 1.28 playoffs rating with slightly more playoffs maps than ZywOo, but ZywOo had a 1.29 playoffs rating. In 2021, sh1ro would have many times more playoffs maps than ZywOo, as well as higher playoffs rating. This is similar to what happened in 2017 btw. s1mple had 2nd-best overall stats, but lower playoffs maps and stats, and we know what happened. Group stage stats aren't as important. And I didn't even mention MVPs, EVPs, yet.
2021-11-23 11:52
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My logic is that it wa the same in 2019 with astralis vs navi, Astralis won 5 S tier events whie gambit has won 2 real S tier events in 2021 and astralis won them ONLAN, and navi did nothing exept a tier2 events in shanghi vs bad teams, overall at the end of the year Vitality 2021 and Navi 2019 end up top10-8, but Astralis 2019 > Gambit 2021 and dev1ce went to way wy more playoffs/finals/winnings/quarters etc;; even more in comparison with sh1ro and Zywoo 2021 * dev1ce won major major mvp and was hugely impactful 1.30 while Sh1ro is not even the third most impactful from his own team, 1.10 vs top10, would be very weird to see him top2 if dev1ce didnt get it in 2019
2021-11-23 15:03
niko is the most skilled around those 3
2021-11-22 20:36
15 replies
that wasnt the question
2021-11-22 20:37
*has the highest skill ceiling his consistency is terrible, though. he has been amazing these last 3 months but he never can keep that level, even worse his lowest is way lower than either top 2 player. zywoo or s1mple never keep being bad for that long and thats why it will always be zywoo vs s1mple
2021-11-22 20:39
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#41
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Europe JohnnyPayn
terrible consistency? wtf are you smoking name one rifler who has been more consistent over the last 6 years or in cs go history for that matter literally always performing no matter how much his team is struggling
2021-11-22 20:59
3 replies
compared to s1mple and zywoo ofc. we talking about the best of the best who cares if he has the best rifler aim. csgo is also about pistol, sniper and game intelligence.
2021-11-22 21:11
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#94
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Croatia FoxerHR
0/8 bait
2021-11-22 22:29
literally scrambling for arguments and failing
2021-11-23 00:16
#58
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Finland thiccboi22
hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3741/niko.. terrible consistency? where is this terrible consistency you are talking about
2021-11-22 21:56
harder to be consistent with rifle than awp these days. hes still very consistent relative to most riflers
2021-11-22 22:02
niko is literally one of the most consistent players of all time lol
2021-11-22 22:46
4 replies
he literally is THE most consistent rifler of all time name anyone better i wait
2021-11-23 00:17
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#290
Rob4 | 
Serbia e_loK
Me
2021-11-23 15:34
1 reply
ok except elok then
2021-11-23 16:40
He is consistent but his level is not as high as S1mple/zywoo. Real top 3 is simple > zywoo >> niko >>>>>>> rest
2021-11-24 05:23
0/8
2021-11-23 07:30
#311
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Consistency is terrible?
2021-11-23 16:24
#4
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Egypt BomberMan_
NiKo or Zywoo in my opinion NiKo is also a primary rifle + average awper so he should be at worst 3rd.
2021-11-22 20:36
12 replies
0/8
2021-11-22 20:38
10 replies
#95
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Croatia FoxerHR
You'd know.
2021-11-22 22:29
9 replies
is the rent still so free?
2021-11-22 22:30
8 replies
#111
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Croatia FoxerHR
Sure, as long as FaZe and NiKo are rent free in your head.
2021-11-22 22:50
7 replies
i love niko, why would you mention him?
2021-11-22 22:50
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#244
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Croatia FoxerHR
Sure you love him, that's why all your takes about NiKo are dog shit
2021-11-23 12:03
5 replies
show me one
2021-11-23 12:05
4 replies
#251
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Croatia FoxerHR
This thread, go touch grass.
2021-11-23 12:41
#313
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
2021-11-23 16:26
2 replies
be honest with me here, since i know you're not an idiot, i seen some of your posts and you seem like a good guy. does niko deserve to be #2 ? remember than sh1ro has better rating, has won 6 trophys to nikos 0 and 3 mvps. if i say 0/8 o genuinely mean that, not to direspect niko, since i loce that guy, goat rifler.
2021-11-23 16:30
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#318
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
I don't know tbh, so I wouldn't say with such a certainty that Sh1ro would be number 2. I don't think he isn't the favourite, he is, but it isn't clear cut, and saying with such certainty is just wrong imo. But yeah I kinda oversaid it by not explaining more and just linking hte comment, though I never thought you by any means hate NiKo or anything, tbh ppl here hate on u too much.
2021-11-23 16:33
#43
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Europe JohnnyPayn
true giving away hltv top players based on rating should either differ between awpers and riflers or just give riflers a rating bonus vs awpers as their stats are inflated af
2021-11-22 21:00
I think sh1ro is getting 2nd this year. As to if this is another device farce - we will need another year to confirm. As the lead fraud players investigator, I'll take it upon myself to investigate him this year. I'll keep you posted.
2021-11-22 20:37
s1mple as a star player he has the best team around him and the least impact he will get exposed like device when he is in a different team, without b1t electronic and Perfecto around him he would be top 15 player at best
2021-11-22 20:37
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Also I think sh1ro is really close to s1mple. Sh1ro can easily be top1 player next year. NiKo and ZywOo are way behind him. Sh1ro is very underrated.
2021-11-22 20:38
"least impact"? who is more impactful?
2021-11-22 20:58
5 replies
Boombl4, b1t, electronic and Perfecto
2021-11-22 22:02
2 replies
xdddddd
2021-11-23 14:05
nt kiddo, stop baiting
2021-11-23 16:20
you're getting baited dude
2021-11-22 22:24
new copy pasta
2021-11-23 00:34
Wait how long did you get into cs? Half year?
2021-11-23 03:42
Not true at all
2021-11-23 14:10
2-sh1ro 3-hobbit 4-niko 5-ax1le/zywOo
2021-11-22 20:38
6 replies
NiKo > Hobbit
2021-11-22 20:49
4 replies
#64
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Algeria he_car
yes but in the ratings i dont think he has been higher than him.
2021-11-22 22:05
nt Hobbit - 3 S-tier trophies, 5 s-tier grand finals, 2 mvps, tons of evps Niko - 404 error idk about zyWoo but hobbit will surely be above Niko
2021-11-22 22:07
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you're probably right, but NiKo also has a few EVPs (most important ones, Cologne and Major) and also a huge advantage in terms of LAN rating (1.26 vs 1.14), significantly better stats vs top5 and top10 (1.22 vs 1.12 and 1.21 vs 1.17). So if NiKo and G2 perform well on the next 2 events, he might still get it
2021-11-22 22:41
They have the same rating but hobbit has a huge advantage in terms of achievements
2021-11-22 22:10
#11
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Ukraine McSwell
shiro low impact zywoo no achievements and barely making deep playoffs So NiKo top-2 confirmed
2021-11-22 20:38
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2021-11-22 23:02
#250
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Denmark kns377
Remember how bad he was for the first 3-4 months of 2021, plus two finals appearances doesn't mean G2 has been great this year. Gambit and Heroic have been a lot more consistent and have both won events
2021-11-23 12:38
+1
2021-11-24 00:01
#13
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Poland brochu
s1mple zywoo/sh1ro zywoo/sh1ro niko hobbit
2021-11-22 20:39
NiKo
2021-11-22 20:39
how fkin delusional are people who say shiro will get top2 lmao
2021-11-22 20:40
6 replies
i dont see how he wont zywoo is the best out of the three but was only in ONE final this year, and like 5 playoff games. niko has only been amazing these last 3 months, the first half of the year he was just good top 7 material. sh1ro has the rating, kd, deep runs, tournament wins and mvps.
2021-11-22 20:42
4 replies
dude i see flair i dont even read. #15
2021-11-22 20:43
2 replies
im a fan of hobbit since his major performance sh1ro is a clown
2021-11-22 20:44
1 reply
No, you are a clown
2021-11-22 21:10
"niko has only been amazing these last 3 month" hahahh, dude, niko is amazing all the time
2021-11-24 00:08
#48
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Romania alexinio05
LMAO who else though? ZywOo? better stats but no events at all NiKo? Worse rating, no events, no MVPs, 2nd place at Cologne and Major, but remember, Gambit also got 3-4th at major so it's not like they did way worse than G2. Hobbit, Ax1Le? not likely, I think sh1ro is kinda like the star of Gambit so no way device, ropz, jame etc - yeah sure The only ones who have a chance other than him are obviously NiKo and ZywOo, and that's because of sh1ro's non-existent impact)) Tbh if u think about it, I think they all have like 33% chance
2021-11-22 21:08
#17
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
All three players deserve it but on paper as of right now? sh1ro looks like the best contender for it given the statistics + 3 MVP awards. I guess we'll see how the rest of the year plays out.
2021-11-22 20:40
8 replies
Not happy that sh1ro peaked that high at v4, he should‘ve left this crazy performance for the last 2 big events.
2021-11-22 21:16
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#55
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
He was still really good at the Major, all of Gambit sort of tilted against Na'Vi.
2021-11-22 21:48
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. Zywoo is too far ahead, elite events rating
2021-11-22 23:03
5 replies
ZywOo definitely has better statistics, I was just saying sh1ro's statistics are still fantastic on their own combined with 3 MVP awards.
2021-11-22 23:06
4 replies
Do you remember dev1ce 2019 who got top3 with 3 mvp, major mvp and 1.30 impact rating ?
2021-11-22 23:09
3 replies
Yes I remember. I also remember GTR having lesser statistics than flusha in 2014 but still being ranked first due to having an increase in other statistics.
2021-11-23 00:57
2 replies
2014 stats has nothing to do with curent stats rating 1.0 etc.. since 2019 hltv prioritize rating over everything else
2021-11-23 02:12
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They do now yeah, I was just making a point that MVP's and achievements only get you so far and don't necessarily net you that number 1 placing, all statistics + achievements are taken into account currently. The game evolved, as did the statistics and the achievements, MVP's/EVP's included, I guess.
2021-11-23 02:17
i think sh1ro , vitality was a dead team half the year if not more but zywoo is better than sh1ro , just think if zywoo was playing for gambit and didn t loose much games.. he would be at 1.40 rating.. thats why these top 20 are a jokes in a team game or we should have a top 20 for rifflers one for awpers, one for supports ect that would be already better.. and give credit to all the players that sacrifice for others to shine
2021-11-22 20:53
3 replies
This is not how it works. Players with better skill and aim playing better roles and position. Players who sacrifice for others are mostly worse players skill-wise and cant perform like star players if you give them star roles.
2021-11-22 22:35
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#314
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Aim wise Jackz would destroy most people in a 1v1, same for Xantares when he entried (he was kinda bad after that). Suicidal players aren't necessarily bad mechanicaly
2021-11-23 16:28
1 reply
And their skill overall is not great.
2021-11-23 18:11
#25
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Russia mshkoda
2 sh1ro 3 Niko 4 Zywoo
2021-11-22 20:46
2 replies
Most likely, I'd agree
2021-11-22 20:55
Niko without thinking
2021-11-22 20:49
How Device got exposed? He left Astralis, went to full noob team of NIP and carried them to final, lan win(first in 4 years for that org) and major legends. Meanwhile Astralis this year has no finals no trophies and no legends. Were he got exposed? He is going to be in top10 this year while non Astralis players will get close to 20.
2021-11-22 20:52
4 replies
device is not on par with players like s1mple, zywoo or even niko when that was always the thinking. he is still a top 10 player but he is not on that level, astralis and their system just pushed his rating way up
2021-11-22 20:56
3 replies
Mate he has 4 majors and 2 major mvps, great awper, capable rifler good clutcher a second caller and great deagler. He is one of few players that aspire to goat status in cs go and guys you said are not even close to him. Cloosest is Simple but still miles before him. Than again i ask you cause you didint answer how Device who switched team and had another very good year was exposed when his as you called system had worst year since inception of their core?
2021-11-22 21:55
#183
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Japan Jewsaki
If Astralis system boosted his rating why does lucky have a .9 rating
2021-11-23 00:45
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#291
Rob4 | 
Serbia e_loK
Imagine lucky without astralis system
2021-11-23 15:34
NiKo obviously, Shiro onliner, Zywoo bad major
2021-11-22 20:53
1 reply
1.30 rating, 3rd best rated player bad major ? AHAHAH + elite event rating : hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2021-11-22 23:04
#34
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Europe gazxhe
1.s1mple 2.sh1ro 3.Niko 4.ZywOo 5.electronic
2021-11-22 20:54
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#225
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Europe gazxhe
did zywoo win anything this year or reach any final ???
2021-11-23 10:28
2 replies
No one cares we are talking about individual performance, mvp are used when players are close in rating, exemple s1mple and zywoo 2020, when you have a player with 1.30 / 1.35 impact vs 1.23 / 1.15 impact, there is not even a discussion, even if sh1ro would have 8 mvp
2021-11-23 11:37
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#253
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Europe gazxhe
ok
2021-11-23 12:58
device proved he is good even if he was not in great form at major, nip before device = tier 2
2021-11-22 20:56
2 replies
Yep, now they are in tier 1,5. Better than T2, but as good as to be T1.
2021-11-22 21:01
1 reply
yes exactly
2021-11-22 21:02
Sh1ro ofc and its not even a question ZyWoo max top 5 cuz he did nothing. 1 playoff or 2 is really really bad
2021-11-22 20:58
2 replies
I‘m not happy that sh1ro played that good at v4 except of the 80% of the final -first map was good from him)
2021-11-22 21:14
Of course man, elite events rating : hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01..
2021-11-22 23:05
ZywOo ofc. 1.29 elite rating event. sh1ro 1.22-1.23 at max. And we're not mentioning impact, KPR, ADR. NiKO is not even in discussion. Drunk lazy guy with 0-7 lose streak before major. You can't get beat ZywOo if you're drunk for 9 months in a row and then play 1 good major (not better than ZywOo) and get top 2 xD.
2021-11-22 21:08
Should be: 2. sh1ro (cuz achievements) 3. NiKo (major final, lan final, really huge numbers on Lan) 4. Zywoo (0 achivements and average on Lan) Will be: 2. Zywoo (because guy who makes top 20 his huge fanboy) 3. sh1ro 4. NiKo
2021-11-22 21:04
7 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/3741/niko?startDa.. hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. ZywOo has a higher LAN rating than NiKo in 2021 yet somehow ZywOo has been average on Lan while NiKo has been amazing? Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?
2021-11-22 22:43
5 replies
Click at opponents button hltv.org/stats/players/opponents/team/11.. Literally Tier 2-3 teams farming
2021-11-22 22:44
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2021-11-22 22:51
2 replies
1,48 vs Heroic 1,44 vs NiP and thats current top 5 teams Also don't forget that Zywoo is Awper while NiKo is Entry fragger btw hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
2021-11-22 23:15
1 reply
2021-11-23 15:17
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2021-01.. Elite events rating ? Tier 2 farm ? AHAHAH
2021-11-22 23:05
+1 i love your comment !!!!!
2021-11-22 23:01
Shiro. Shiro has twice the number of maps against top 5 compared to zywoo in 2021
2021-11-22 21:03
8 replies
No one cares, in 2019 dev1ce also and he was major mvp with 1.30 impact rating, sh1ro is not major mvp and only 1.15 impact
2021-11-22 23:06
7 replies
no one cares- that's your opinion. S1mple was close to maps played by device in 2019 against top 20 atleast. Zywoo is like 60 maps behind sh1ro against top 20.
2021-11-23 13:20
6 replies
the fact that sh1ro has played tons of CIS rmr ONLINE tooornaments more than vitality wont change what i ve said, dev1ce 2019 >>>> Sh1ro 2021, dev1ce didnt get top2, Sh1ro has 0% chance of getting it
2021-11-23 15:07
5 replies
Saying CIS rmr and chucking it as irrelevant won't change it's signficance. There are competent teams in cis rmr.It's not the old cis. And as for the record, teams have been playing online for a long while now. Calling it online won't change it. Last year s1mple's lan win wasn't put above regular online events weightage and cis rmr didn't have mvp then, one of the reasons s1mple lost the #1 spot as explained by hltv. sh1ro>zywoo in 2021 especially considering massive 60 map difference played against top 20 teams. Device didn't have map advantage over s1mple against top 20 in 2019. "Sh1ro has 0% chance of getting it" that's your opinion. Let's end it there.
2021-11-23 15:54
4 replies
Thats was even way worse differential maps for s1mp'e and dev1ce in 2019, way more than in 2021 between sh1ro and zywoo, they only have 16 maps diff vs top5 in 2021 while in 2019 s1mple only had 25 maps vs top5 and dev1ce had 85 thats literally 300% more ahahah dev1ce had 300% more maps vs top teams than s1mple in 2019 and was major mvp and winner, he aslo had 30+ maps vs top10, dev1ce played the huge majority of his hame vs top5 while navi played lowcost toornament or groupstage vs tier2 team, only 15% of s1mple games where vs top5 while dev1ce had more than 50% vs top5. In 2021 zywoo has way more maps than s1mple in 2019 and there is not a dev1ce major mvp and 1.30 ilpact to compete with him.
2021-11-23 16:14
3 replies
" they only have 16 maps diff vs top5 in 2021" The map difference is 43, not 16.You can check the stats of top 5 again. Against top 5 it was 85 but when it came to top 20, it evened out between them and the difference was like 6-7 maps. S1mple wouldn't have gotten 2nd in 2019 if there was massive difference in maps played against top 20 like zywoo in 2021. Zywoo recovers nowhere in maps played, atleast s1mple did in maps played against top 20 in 2019. Maps are taken in relation to other players in the current year, nothing from previous years.But still you're wrong, s1mple has 129 maps played in 2019 against top 20 while zywoo has 115 maps played in 2021, so it doesn't make sense to say this "In 2021 zywoo has way more maps than s1mple in 2019."
2021-11-23 20:30
2 replies
There is still 2 toornaments left and zywoo has the same amount of maps vs all than s1mple in 2019 and already more vs top5. At the end of the year he will have way more and the dev1ce / s1mple difference is way more in 2019 considering navi played 80% of their game vs top15/25 in group stage / t2 toornaments while dev1ce played 60% of his game vs top5. And once again you keep forgeting that dev1ce was major mvp, major winner and he had 1.30 impact rating, sh1ro has 1.10 ilpact rating vs top10 not even the second best from his team, third avtually, hobb1t and Ax1le have more impact on gambit wins, after the 0.07 rating diff in elite events etc... if dev1ce didnt get top2 by being >>> sh1ro 2021 and with way more maps in playoffs / quarter / semi / final + win + major + impact
2021-11-23 20:59
1 reply
Idk why you keep comparing 2021 zywoo to 2019 s1mple when it comes to maps in total. In 2021, it's a mix up between online and lan. And it doesn't make sense to use that as justification to number of maps played now and then. When you should in fact take into account maps compared to other players. As i said , S1mple evened it out against top 20 with device. The number of maps played against top 20 are fairly even. Can't say the same about zywoo. Zywoo won't have "way more" , a bit more yes. Doesn't in any way justify having less maps in the current year. You can have a dogshit team and it makes sense to have less maps played against top 5.but when it's the same even vs top 20 teams, there's no helping it alright. Device being a major winner won't give him an edge in terms of individual placing.Major mvp does, yes. At the end of the day , it's a team game.You keep bringing up his 1.30 impact, He's still behind s1mple against top 20 by 0.05 and it's 1.28 btw, not 1.30. And it isn't just impact that matters, ADR matters alot too. And he's behind s1mple in that regard as well. And s1mple's adr,KAST, dpr is close to zywoo's in 2019. He had an edge over device in those things. Actually now that you say it about sh1ro, it isn't just him vying for that #2 spot.Just not Zywoo. The reason sh1ro is brought up is because of his mvps in the current year. And no, zywoo's situation isn't similar to 2019's s1mple.Stop drawing conclusion in that regard.It falls apart in the total maps played itself.
2021-11-24 05:15
So obviously zywoo how is this even a question lol
2021-11-22 21:07
I hope sh1ro didn‘t waste his full form for this shite V4tournament. Him peaking at IEM Winter and especially at Blast World Premier would‘ve been better, than at V4.
2021-11-22 21:13
#53
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United States ILOVEFEET
yall think B1T will be top 15?
2021-11-22 21:14
2 replies
ofc
2021-11-22 22:11
Should be imo.
2021-11-24 01:02
NiKo deserves it more than sh0r0
2021-11-22 21:49
7 replies
#59
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Finland thiccboi22
+1
2021-11-22 21:56
1 reply
thanks mens)
2021-11-22 23:28
+1 i love your comment !
2021-11-22 23:00
1 reply
thanks <3
2021-11-22 23:28
+1 sh0r0 trash on lan
2021-11-22 23:05
1 reply
+2
2021-11-22 23:28
NiKo
2021-11-22 22:00
ZywOo individually is better than all of them, but his team is the worse. With this new roster, he might get top 1 in 2022
2021-11-22 22:03
2 replies
0.3 rating less than shiro and 0 trophies, while shiro has many mvps and tourneys
2021-11-22 22:12
1 reply
2021-11-22 23:06
sh1ro zywoo Niko im Niko fan btw
2021-11-22 22:11
Niko doing it with a rifle is more impressive and helpful to the team imo. For Sh1ro he needs support to be a star so he's ruled out immediately imho. Zywoo can carry more reliably but he does it with an Awp so it's easier for him to do so and his team sets him up to succeed whereas Niko has to make his own success with rifle. So to me, despite lack of major wins it's Niko. If I was building a team right now and had a choice to draft one of the three, I'd take Niko, so many awpers around you can fill in anyone and have success, it's rare/hard to find elite caliber riflers.
2021-11-22 22:11
3 replies
oh, niko would love to be a main awper as he tried it countless times on every team he has been on problem is he cant play it as well as the best, which is why he is forced to main rifle. its not like he does it to support his team, he does it because he doesnt have nearly as much impact with an awp as with a rifle. and its not s1mple or zywoos fault he is average with the best gun in the game. if you want to be the best you have to be top 2 with every gun in the game
2021-11-22 22:49
1 reply
Lmao he's not forced to main rifle. He was forced to main AWP. Whenever he picked the AWP he did for the team because that's what the team needed. Also low sens makes it really hard to perform as an awper. For the last paragraph a solid 0/8
2021-11-23 08:10
Really really good take, all three of them are stellar players, and contribute immensely to their teams, although in different ways. I think the difference between NiKo/Zywo0 and sh1ro is that Gambit is built to set sh1ro up (not saying this is a bad thing, he excels in this role) to have impact, whilst Vita and G2 use NiKo/Zywo0 to set up everything the team does with opening picks/entries/lurks. So like, they're doing the same kind of things that Hobbit does whilst putting up the numbers that sh1ro does playing off of him (NiKo vs CPHF on t-side ancient at the major is a good example). Like you said though, in a dream, (discounting s1mple ofc, he should be the obvious first pick) I'm taking NiKo ASAP, to do what he does with a rifle is insanely hard to find ANYWHERE, much less in the top 20. Zywo0 is a close second just off his ridiculous playmaking ability, doing it with an AWP doesn't make it much less impressive imo, just the fact that NiKo can do it with much less economic impact and with as much consistency as most AWP's edges him past.
2021-11-22 23:00
not my idol zywoo he's finished
2021-11-22 22:12
choice will be easier at the end of the year, who care now? and whats the point? we can talk about next year if you want too.. it s as pointless
2021-11-22 22:13
people keep forgeting that s1mple got top 2 in 2019 while NAVI was literally t2 team ( ofc not t2 ), in 2019 NAVI made like 1 grandfinal and lost it and like 5-6 play offs exactly like vitality this year and he still got top 2 over dev1ce with 2 majors and 1 major mvp, stats>MVPs,EVPs. so in my opinion will be: 2) zywoo ( better rating in elite events, better impact) 3) sh1ro 4) NiKo
2021-11-22 22:13
5 replies
#77
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Russia ToughGuy
lmao navi made 2 major playoffs with 1 semi final won t1,5 event and made a lot of deep runs while botality this year made only 3 playoffs its not even comparable
2021-11-22 22:15
2 replies
prob u are right but still, overall zywoo better player
2021-11-22 22:16
3 playoffs?
2021-11-23 15:27
Statwise Hobbit = Niko but Niko literally 0 achievements so hobbit will surpass him at the ranking
2021-11-22 22:16
1 reply
prob u are right as well, who knows.
2021-11-22 22:16
#75
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Russia ToughGuy
Niko for now cuz of his major perfomance + g2 was consistent 3rd team this year
2021-11-22 22:13
yes s1mple robbed device wth 2 major mvp and still no top 1.. so really it s all about rating but not only k/d... zywoo won last year cause he was top 1 at open kill, impact, clutch and many more stuff
2021-11-22 22:17
3 replies
which year are u talking about ? ( dev1ce think)
2021-11-22 22:17
1 reply
i might mix the years actually i think it was 2018 and 2019 he gots major mvps and maybe not just 2018
2021-11-22 22:23
#85
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Russia ToughGuy
yeah just 0,07 rating difference
2021-11-22 22:20
#79
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India Smauxx
For 2021 Rankings, definitely Shiro. But as far as top players for all time in CSGO. My ranking are : S1mple > NiKo > Zywoo. Not sure who I put after these 3.
2021-11-22 22:15
3 replies
2021-11-22 23:08
2 replies
#151
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India Smauxx
Zywoo rating might be high but Shiro has won 3 MVPs. And Gambit overall won 3 events with 2nd placing in couple of events.
2021-11-22 23:15
1 reply
and ? do you remember dev1ce 2019 3 mvp major mvp 5 s events won and top3 with 1.30 imapct ?
2021-11-23 00:12
s1mple deserves top2 more i guess? and sh1ro top1 i think
2021-11-22 22:19
6 replies
don t worry b0tr0 will be top 3 only this year, i hope 2022 is full on LAN so gamb0ts can go back to T2
2021-11-22 22:22
2 replies
0/8
2021-11-22 22:22
+1 i love your comment
2021-11-22 23:00
#91
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Poland sylwek1021
0/8
2021-11-22 22:26
#93
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Brazil Yamat01
Lol
2021-11-22 22:29
0/8
2021-11-22 23:00
sh1ro real 2 tbh,but niko 3th
2021-11-22 22:23
#92
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Brazil Yamat01
Sh1ro or niko
2021-11-22 22:29
1 reply
#171
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United States Rayduh
gonna agree here, it will most likely be sh1ro because how HLTV writers think, although I think sh1ro doesn't deserve top 2, in my opinion
2021-11-23 00:30
1 simple 2. shiro 3. zywoo 4. niko 5. ax1le probs
2021-11-22 22:30
2 replies
#170
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United States Rayduh
i don't think ax1le will come close to top 5, there are a lot of great players that didn't win tournaments
2021-11-23 00:29
1 reply
Judging by the way players have been ranked, I feel it would be like this: 1. s1mple 2. zywoo/sh1ro* 3. sh1ro/zywoo* 4. Hobbit 5. Ax1le 6. Niko *zywoo vs sh1ro ranking this year is so hard to judge. But I hope whoever does the rankings see that not all EVPs are created the same, and I think that NiKo's major EVP is worth more than a regular online elite event MVP. If all of these listed players were to perform at the same level until the end of the year, then I think that NiKo's major performance alone should put him on top 4.
2021-11-23 08:08
1 simple 2. shiro 3. niko 4. zywoo
2021-11-22 22:36
42 replies
41 replies
Less maps played Worse differential Less finals and semis Less MVPS Only 0.07 rating above Sh1iro nt but flag checks out
2021-11-23 11:37
40 replies
Hltv top20 = individual performance zywoo 1.30 / 1.35 impct vs sh1ro 1.23/1.15 impact and only 1.10 impact rating vs top10. In 2019 dev1ce has way more maps than s1mple, dev1ce has 1.30 impact rating / 1.23 rzting, dev1ce is major winner and triple mvp with major mvp and 5+ S tier toornaments win, Sh1ro only 1.15 impact, low tier mvp with one vs tier2 teams, no major winner, only 2 S tier toornaments win. If dev1ce didnt get top2 in 2019 sh1ro will never get top2 in 2021
2021-11-23 14:51
38 replies
nt but it won't happen.
2021-11-23 14:53
37 replies
stay in your delisional mindset, dev1ce 2019 >>> Sh1ro 2021 and he didnt get top2, so even if sh1ro get 3 more mvp he wont be top2
2021-11-23 15:08
36 replies
He will, but at least we both know zywoo wont get any mvp Ghost player all year
2021-11-23 15:10
35 replies
Ghost player with 1.30 rating of course my guy, not like its vitality fault with a guy named kyojin who has the same rating as karigan and who got 15 kills in the all BO3 vs navi at the major xD
2021-11-23 15:20
34 replies
How many times in ANY podium? How many MVPs for such a great rating? For people that are not french and follow whole of cs scene they prob have never heard of zywoo Didn't win or accomplish jack shit for 1.5y
2021-11-23 15:22
33 replies
Yes, Vitality haven't accomplished anything but it's an individual award so I don't really understand why you keep bringing up the event wins and MVPs lmao.
2021-11-23 15:31
32 replies
If you don't go far in tournaments then your stats are padded against the worst teams intead of the best. Like i said before zywoo is the best of the losers losers don't deserve top2 even if they drop 50 bombs
2021-11-23 15:32
31 replies
He has a 1.24 rating against top 5 teams and 1.29 against top 10 teams. Doesn't seem like he's padding his stats against the worst teams, does it?
2021-11-23 15:33
30 replies
How many maps agasint top 10 tho? way less then the others competing for same position (niko ad sh1ro) Also in more maps Sh1ro has a better differential, this alone should be more worth than 0.07 rating with 400 less maps played
2021-11-23 15:37
29 replies
ZywOo: 41 maps against top 10 teams sh1ro: 57 NiKo: 57 16 is way less? lmao "Also in more maps Sh1ro has a better differential, this alone should be more worth than 0.07 rating with 400 less maps played" No, it definitely shouldn't.
2021-11-23 15:40
28 replies
thats more than 20% dude do u even math? Ask your parents to give you less 20% money and you will prob start to figure this outb faster And yes it def should, also MVP's are an individual trophy given to the most valuable player, how many times was zywoo the most valuable player this 1.5 years? thats right ZERO times
2021-11-23 15:42
27 replies
It's impossible to get an MVP without a decent team therefore it's a team achievement and 20% is nothing.
2021-11-23 15:43
26 replies
ahaha nt kiddo but your arguments are shit and we will see by the end of the year if they will put zywoo even on top3
2021-11-23 15:44
10 replies
Just check dev1ce and s1mple difference maps vs top teams in 2019, thats the exact same and dev1ce got top3 while he got mvp major winner and 1.30 impact
2021-11-23 16:05
9 replies
more than two year old mistake won't justify complete robery if it happens this year. There is no discussion for top1 with or without major mvp from s1mple He was the best all year
2021-11-23 16:08
8 replies
if you call 2021 sh1ro not being top2 a robbery, then Dv1ce not being top2 is 2019 is the most oberry ever seen on earth, dev1ce 2019 is just >>> Sh1ro 2021.
2021-11-23 16:23
7 replies
and i am talking about sh1ro not s1mple wtf, everyone knows who is top 1 this yer
2021-11-23 16:23
so? im not the one trying to justify a mistake with another mistake, you are Sh1ro has played more maps, gone further in tournaments (even won some) and has gotten MPV awards. Zywoo did nothing of the sort so imo zywoo does not deserve top2 and if it was up to me he would come at 4th place just bellow niko
2021-11-23 16:24
5 replies
of course, Niko who won nothing as well with 0 mvp and even less EVP than zywoo, even hobb1t and Ax1le have similar stats with mvp, niko wont be top4, lucy if top5. You can call 2019 a roberry if you want, but thats how HLTV ranking works, TOP20 HLTV is used for individual perfomance, top 10 teams of 2021 is used for the best TEAMS, Gambit will end up TOP2 teams, but zywoo is individually way better than Sh1ro, eye tested but also statwise. dev1ce in 2019 had 86 maps vs top5 while s1mple had only 25, thats a 300% difference, in 2021 SH1RO only have 16 more than zywoo, dev1ce was also major mvp and winner and had 1.30 impact, everything that sh1ro is not. thats why a lot of people cried for s1mple being top 2 in 2019 but thats how it is, your team achievment wont compensate the skil diff level, or only if you re are super close in rating
2021-11-23 16:36
4 replies
You won't change my opinion specially with this type of posts that are so messed up its hard to read. I don't care what happened in the past and you should stop living in the past as well.
2021-11-23 16:39
1 reply
You dont care but thats how hotv work, in order to know what the ranking will be you need to look at how they rank players the most recent back years
2021-11-23 17:00
also Niko has 2 top 2 placings where he only lost to the winners so its better then carrying your team to early exit on group stage, no one is arguing Niko for top2 here, imo Niko is 3rd
2021-11-23 16:41
1 reply
Hobb1t same rating, 2 mvp, way mire finals / playoffs, he will be top4, same for Ax1le, niko will be top6
2021-11-23 17:00
impossible? Nah ur just delusional s1mple MVPs Was named the MVP of ESL One: New York 2016 by HLTV. know what place TL came in that tournament? They came in 4th place didnt even reach teh final and s1mple was still the tournament MVP
2021-11-23 16:14
14 replies
0/8
2021-11-23 16:16
8 replies
no arguments so i guess flair checks out
2021-11-23 16:16
7 replies
Stop trying to bait me with these weak ass baits. It won't work.
2021-11-23 16:18
6 replies
using stats and facts is now baiting? Lmao go stick a baguette up ur ass buddy ur delusional af
2021-11-23 16:18
5 replies
do you knoz also how many time it happens with Zywoo ??? only 5 toornaments won but 11 fking MVP, guess why ?? because Vitality if fucking trash not even TOP 20 team without zywoo, Navi would stil be top5 without s1mple
2021-11-23 16:21
4 replies
This is not an argument or a fact, just your emmotions speaking
2021-11-23 16:22
3 replies
i loterally used the same argument as you are you retarded ? even when vitality doesnt win or reach finals zywo can still get MVPs
2021-11-23 16:30
2 replies
but he didn't get any all year so why does he deserve top2? A player with zero mvps is fighting for top5 at max with stats alone.
2021-11-23 16:31
1 reply
You re still completely lost again, mvp are used to rank someone higher when players are close in rating, thats why EVP does exist and make the possibility for the best players to get it even if your team sucks and thats why dev1ce didnt get top2 in 2019 even with major mvp and winner, you can argue all you want thats how hltv ranking work
2021-11-23 16:55
Yeah, he was the MVP because he won the event.
2021-11-23 16:47
4 replies
u wat m8? why so many morons that don't bother to look stuff up always reply to me Tl got 4th place in that tournament
2021-11-23 16:48
3 replies
but he won the event with Na'Vi?
2021-11-23 16:49
2 replies
nt but i won't insult you anymore or i will get 10yeared just learn to live with you disability m8
2021-11-23 16:49
1 reply
lmao 0/8
2021-11-23 16:51
only 0.07 LMAOOOO
2021-11-23 15:29
anyone who thinks zywoo won't be top 2 is completely disconnected from reality
2021-11-22 22:42
in terms of who is better its zywoo >= niko > sh1ro but top 2 will prob be sh1ro just cuz vita and g2 didnt win shit
2021-11-22 22:49
bro sh1ro should not be in this list, he is good but he is not solo carry
2021-11-22 22:58
2 replies
By this logic Device should have never been in top 5 during Astralis times
2021-11-23 08:20
1 reply
Im not talking about him being undeserved in top5, he just not a solo carry player
2021-11-23 12:22
1. S1mple 2. NiKo 3. zywoo 4. sh0r0
2021-11-22 23:00
4 replies
+1 so ez
2021-11-22 23:03
+1
2021-11-22 23:05
+1
2021-11-23 07:33
Grim vs FalleN twitch.tv/gafallen Grim + M0nesy vs FalleN FPL guys :) OLD MAN still got it !
2021-11-22 23:07
8 replies
#172
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United States Rayduh
let's go GRIM!!!!
2021-11-23 00:30
#173
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United States Rayduh
wait Liquid almost got 16-0'd by MAD LIONS, rip this team
2021-11-23 00:31
#174
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United States Rayduh
rip stew and fallen bro
2021-11-23 00:30
5 replies
fpl is harsh
2021-11-23 00:31
4 replies
#176
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United States Rayduh
and grim too, rip Liquid, holy f, I am disappointed, I feel like it will be a slaughter by Blast by Vitality sad time sad time sad time
2021-11-23 00:32
2 replies
at least they should have fun
2021-11-23 00:34
1 reply
#180
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United States Rayduh
one last ride with this Liquid roster Sad that they didn't achieve much with this lineup when they had the potential, I would be sad to see stewie/NAF leave Liquid if the rumors are true
2021-11-23 00:34
#177
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United States Rayduh
i am scared of ZywOo
2021-11-23 00:32
NiKo literally dragged g2's corpse through the major to the finals he deserves atleast top 3 at the lowest
2021-11-22 23:08
6 replies
2021-11-22 23:09
5 replies
and?
2021-11-22 23:10
4 replies
1.18 rating vs 1.30 in 2021 with niko having 0 mvp, you gotta be very delusional if you think he will end up top3
2021-11-22 23:13
3 replies
stats is not everything plus hes bound to have worse rating hes a rifler and so ???????mvps means nothing if your team is shit.
2021-11-23 08:20
Kscerate top 4 confirmed ?
2021-11-23 08:21
1 reply
No because he mostly played in NA
2021-11-23 11:35
#152
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Sweden kAED
Shiro of course, the others don't even come close
2021-11-22 23:17
#158
BanKs | 
Europe Pts
sh1ro 2nd niko 3rd
2021-11-22 23:28
4 replies
#163
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Poland moistu
NiKo in 2021 : 1.20 ZywOo in 2021 : 1.28
2021-11-23 00:16
3 replies
#166
BanKs | 
Europe Pts
The 1.28 is completely irrelevant since he only farmed it against lower tier teams.
2021-11-23 00:22
2 replies
#167
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Poland moistu
1.23 vs top 5 opponents (29 maps) 1.28 vs top 10 opponents (60 maps) 1.28 vs top 20 opponents (111 maps) NOT IMPORTANT
2021-11-23 00:21
#169
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Poland moistu
I don't remember Vitality playing at a tournament other than tier 1 and Gambit playing a lot in small tournaments like V4 etc and a lot on CIS teams
2021-11-23 00:22
#162
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Poland moistu
1.S1mple 2.sh1ro 3.ZywOo 4.NiKo
2021-11-23 00:17
NiKo should be 2nd imo, impactwise this year he's been out of this world.
2021-11-23 00:22
sh1ro should be 2nd because I'm Russian.
2021-11-23 00:39
1 reply
everything checks out my friend :DDD
2021-11-23 01:10
sh1ro or zywoo
2021-11-23 00:42
niko for me cos of the major, sh1ro deserves it the least
2021-11-23 01:05
hopefully not sh1ro.
2021-11-23 01:10
Niko ofc
2021-11-23 07:27
Sh1ro
2021-11-23 07:29
1 S1imple 2 Sh1ro 3 Hobb1t 4 Ax1le 5 N1ko
2021-11-23 07:41
1 reply
0/8
2021-11-23 08:10
#198
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United States raymoney
Ok, the reason why I would put Zywoo and NiKo above Shiro is that I don't think he has the same solo impact. If you watch a Gambit demo especially on T-Side Ancient, the amount of baiting he does is legit unreal. The dude legit has interz running in front of him everywhere so he can bait and trade. On the flip side, NiKo is a rifler, he singlehandedly creates space often playing the entry role and straight-up double-entries bombsites. Other times he plays the lurk to perfection, occupying enemies, and making sure his team can get space on other areas of the map. Then Zywoo is the solo carry of Vitality. He can entry. He can AWP. He is the best pistol player in the world. On CT-sides he can solo hold a bombsite and set Vitality up for success on the opposing side. I do think Shiro is a great AWPer, but with his ultra passive playstyle, he kinda reminds me of old-school Skadoodle. Furthermore, I don't think he will ever have the raw impact of a NiKo, Zywoo. or S1mple. Therefore, by the eye test, he is far and away behind NiKo and Zywoo. However, by achievements he might be able to beat them. Who knows.
2021-11-23 07:45
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+1 After much hype around sh1ro in this v4 tournament I tuned in for the grandfinal. sh1ro drops a stellar 1.02 across 5 maps against the highest ranked team in the tournament. He's a t2 specialist. Absolutely rekts them. Against t1...he's a decent awp and pretty good clutcher. That's it
2021-11-23 11:19
The top 2 spot is still really hard imo. If vita wins even one tourney from the remaining three and ofc zywoo is the most probable one to win mvp, then zywoo pretty much takes the no. 2 spot. But if gambit wins and sh1ro gets either massive rating or mvp (or both), then it doesnt help zywoo's case at all.
2021-11-23 08:11
S1mple Sh1ro ZyWoo Hobbit Niko
2021-11-23 08:15
Probably niko or sh1ro since zywoo hasn't been looking that great
2021-11-23 08:23
sh1ro is faaaar from zywoo's lvl, no matter what he wins with gambit he will never reach him. top1-2 spots are for simple and zywoo, those two are above everyone, hugh gap. but yes sh1ro 3rd he has a great year no doubt
2021-11-23 08:36
gambot onliner frauds that got exposed, dont deserve top 20
2021-11-23 08:43
1 reply
+1 rational brain and high IQ spotted
2021-11-23 09:53
1. s1mple 2. Zywoo 3. Niko 4. shiro
2021-11-23 08:48
1 reply
+1
2021-11-23 09:53
#215
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Indonesia FinZzz
We all know deep down that sh1ro isnt a player in the same caliber as zywoo s1mple and NiKo. Yes he had some good games here and there but he isnt as consistent as these 3 and most the time he relies on his mates around him to frag and bait for him. Hobbit axile fragging out when sh1ro underperforms and interz as his bait.
2021-11-23 08:49
Normies tune in at year end and start thinking Niko will be top 2. Bookmark this comment and come back in january - Niko might not even be top 3. Hobbit has two mvps from strong events (sh1ro has farmed two small event mvps). Niko and Zywoo have 0 mvps. It all hinges on the remaining 2/3 events but for my money sh1ro has secured the #2 spot (even though undeservedly)
2021-11-23 08:58
It's NiKo for sure. Being that close with a rifle when rating 2.0 is made for awp (like the game) it's really amazing. If Vitality had a longer run on major, I would say Zywoo should be the 2nd, but as NiKo was the one leading his team to the final, it should be him. NiKo stats are better than Shiro on every metric but he gets less rating 2.0 because he dies more times per round and he has less KAST (because he survive less times) which is the same, obviously when you have and awp, you save more.
2021-11-23 09:03
#222
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Italy Skye620
Zywoo - hasn't accomplished anything this year Niko - ooh made the grand finals of the major and that's pretty much it. Sh1ro - multiple MVP's. Pretty obvious really who will be #2
2021-11-23 10:03
Dev1ce is actually great though, he's probably just not used to playing on a different team. We'll see how he'll do in the next year. Not a good comparison. As for the topic; Sh1ro won a bunch of events, just recently one more, but NiKo has overall better stats, and better placings at the most important events of the year. I think NiKo will beat out Sh1ro by a very narrow margin on the list. ZywOo disappeared off the top rankings, I expect him to not even be in the top 5, maybe top 6 or 7. We shall see.
2021-11-23 10:03
Stop being blinded by the major... Sh1ro had good year, consistent results, winning tournaments, getting MVP when Niko was not even going to the playoffs in most tournaments apart of lan and zywoo has nothing to do with top 3 this year at all, they have to sort out team this is why he has those numbers...
2021-11-23 10:35
Who cares about ranking, niko number 2 atleast he did it on lan and that's all that matters.
2021-11-23 10:40
1. S1mple 2. ZywOo 3. Niko 4. Sh1ro People who put sh1ro over zywoo are delusional russian fanboys. He has far more impact seen on both the stats and on the server. Also Niko is absolutely insane. You could argue that Niko>ZywOo this year. Niko has at least been the best by the end of the year
2021-11-23 11:12
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NIKo is better than zywoo this year, and yes you're right +1
2021-11-23 11:19
1 reply
fair statement. I think they're very close
2021-11-23 11:19
It's easier to get higher stats when your the only skilled player in your team and ur teammates are shit than when you have your rifflers stealing your kills and breathing down your back with a 1.18 rating from each of them. Being objective Sh1ro > ZyWoo this year.
2021-11-23 13:45
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0/8 it just means that zywoo will have to retake a lot more on ct which fucks his stats. Also when sh1ro has better teammates and they win more rounds, a higher percentage of his rounds will be gunrounds which means better stats for sh1ro again. If u look at the stats objectively everyone on the Winning teams get better stats avg including sh1ro
2021-11-23 13:55
lmao you have no idea how stats work. Players from the winning team will always have better stats because kd > everything. See this: hltv.org/matches/2353089/fnatic-vs-etern.. Krimz went 8-8 on inferno and still got 1.25 rating!! (just because fnatic won 16-7). One more fun fact....in 2021 0 players have won an mvp without winning the trophy. It's simply because the losing team always have worst kd.
2021-11-23 14:13
i think you dont play this game.. it s easier to get good stats when you win insteed of loosing.
2021-11-23 14:32
The point where this guy thinks that dev1ce got exposed is such an idiotic one. Astralis had the same 4 players but weren’t even in the contention for finals but managed to win 4 majors with him.To be on top you need everyone as a top player.
2021-11-23 11:42
choko
2021-11-23 11:49
#242
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Russia 1578
i guess zywoo 2nd sh1ro 3rd and niko 4th
2021-11-23 12:00
1. s1mple 2 . sh1ro 3. Zywoo 4. NiKo 5. Electronic 6. Hobbit 7. Ax1le 8. b1t 9. YEKINDAR 10. KSCERATO
2021-11-23 12:00
well since online is irrelevant it must be niko
2021-11-23 12:23
#249
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Brazil Fauchard
zywoo didnt perform well this year... probably sh1ro
2021-11-23 12:30
Niko was the better individual shiro has droped of a lot
2021-11-23 13:23
2 replies
but MVP counts as well. How many has Niko atm?
2021-11-23 13:53
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Iem fall was just meaningless for navi so that one doesnt count, v4 isnt a t1 tourney the only real one is katowice and nikl was almost mvp of the biggest tourney in 2 years i believe he brings more to the table sh1ro is good with awp buth he isnt a star rifler
2021-11-23 14:13
I dont feel like niko should be in the conversation
2021-11-23 13:48
I think Electronic has also a chance. His LAN performances were well enough to be in the competition and the year isn't over.
2021-11-23 13:52
7 replies
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2021-11-23 13:54
6 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8918/elec.. Electronic has fewer maps cuz they won so much 2-0
2021-11-23 13:58
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If you see all events he has 1,13, 1,13 for the top2 of 2021 is impossible, and even if it just consider LAN events he is below at least 3 players for the top2, no away. The top2 this year has to be Sh1ro, he has more MVP and his stats is as good or better the others.
2021-11-23 14:26
absolutely delusional lol
2021-11-24 01:06
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Niko_3_misses_Deagle_shots_Electronic_1_major
2021-11-24 08:03
2 replies
you're cringe dude
2021-11-24 11:32
1 reply
if the truth hurts the true teller is cringe kk
2021-11-24 13:55
#263
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Switzerland Tyrsk
1- s1mple 2- ZywOo 3- sh1ro 4- NiKo 5- Ax1Le 6- Hobbit 7- ropz 8- YEKINDAR 9 - KSCERATO 10- electronic The last 10 are much more hard to rank but the first 10 are quiet simple imo.
2021-11-23 14:04
2 replies
Ropz so high this year?
2021-11-23 16:50
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#339
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Switzerland Tyrsk
He could be lower but I'd see him there ye.
2021-11-23 19:52
I would be happy to see Niko there but it’s hltv so…
2021-11-23 14:11
not zywho for sure hes hella overrated. I would go with niko since he does so much job done and impact while playing with rifle, absolute chad, not like those malnurished awp abusers
2021-11-23 14:53
sh1ro or zywoo but it shouldn’t be
2021-11-23 15:06
i dont think it will be niko, for shiro and zywoo its still open
2021-11-23 15:08
zywoo easily. NiKo should be third but because of how hltv does their shit sh1ro is almost guaranteed to be third. but he doesnt deserve it.
2021-11-23 15:11
1 - S1mple 2 - Sh1ro 3 - Zywoo 4 - Electronic 5 - Niko
2021-11-23 16:51
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Electronic is not top 4 this year, we are not in 2018
2021-11-23 16:52
id say niko or xi-wu deserve it over sh1ro
2021-11-23 17:22
it will be shiro pretty sure.
2021-11-23 18:13
sh1ro and it's not even close. hobbit deserves to be in top5 tho
2021-11-24 00:03
both sh1ro and niko deserve top 2, but sh1ro will be top 2 500% because he has many wins and MVPs troughout this year, Zywoo on the other hand is not even in top 5
2021-11-24 00:03
s1hro because he actually won stuff, zywoo only 1 playoff whole year
2021-11-24 00:09
#348
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Brazil bernog
sh1ro
2021-11-24 01:04
niko coz he performed so well @major .. Second best player after s1mple 4 sure in 2021
2021-11-24 11:33
But sh1ro will get top#2 bcoz he got more Mvps and torny wins
2021-11-24 11:34
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