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What stewie said about grim
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United States kami917 
He tried to make it sound nice but he just talked massive shit on grim. Practically said he was all aim no brain and he needs his hand held at every crossing. That’s what happens when you have a shit igl (2 in this case), bad team chemistry, and force a player into a role he has no experience or comfort with, especially doing it to him for his t1 debut. This pretty much confirms for me that stew is a piece of shit teammate with a massive ego, if liquid had kicked him a year ago they’d probably been much better off. TLDR: grim is bad because no real igl, forced into a role going into t1 that he’s never played before, and shitty team chemistry.
2021-11-24 01:54
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grim will sadly end up back in NA even tho he has been quite good with shitty surroundings.
2021-11-24 01:55
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#5
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United States kami917
Yeah he would’ve done better if he had a better team and played his role in triumph rather than being forced Into a shit role.
2021-11-24 01:57
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#157
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Asia aref81
He was a star in triumph How could he play his former role in tl?
2021-11-24 09:30
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#159
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United States kami917
It would require elige to change his role, which obviously isn’t ideal but my logic is that you should be willing try anything if it’s going to make the team better as a collective. In reality grim should’ve never been on liquid, stew wasn’t wrong when he eluded to that.
2021-11-24 09:38
he has the skill, i dotn see why he cant come back with a decent na team, we see they can make it out of there into the big tournaments
2021-11-24 08:50
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BNB Grim inc
2021-11-27 02:28
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Very good for them
2021-11-27 09:17
Im starting to dislike Stewie more and more as the time passes
2021-11-24 01:56
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#3
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United States kami917
He’s always been scummy and egotistical, but his interview today took it to a new level.
2021-11-24 01:56
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+1
2021-11-26 16:07
pointing fingers when everyone has their share in the failure of the roster is bad, but stewie also pointed fingers to himself name checks out
2021-11-24 01:58
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Stewie said "I was doing a little badly". That's quite an understatement. Everybody else was crap, while he was a little off (according to him). Right... a lot of accountability there.
2021-11-24 02:19
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#34
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 02:22
#72
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Italy bennyhana
open your fucking eyes the whole team is sucking dick which is what stewie says what is the issues?
2021-11-24 07:32
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Stewie cant open his eyes because....
2021-11-30 10:51
I think you're thinking too much of Stewie saying that he's "doing a little badly". It's not that deep. He and everyone else know he had a bad performance for a while and I'm pretty sure no pro would say publicly that their dogshit even though it shows.
2021-11-24 07:34
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But he's okay saying that of his colleague.
2021-11-24 08:23
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It was critique my dude. Not trash talking. Ur thinking too deep on this bro.
2021-11-24 08:35
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#177
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India gXser
leave critique to people outside the team, tl still have 2 more tournaments to play and this guy is calling everyone on his team bad and pointing to their flaws no holds barred. bad sportsmanship from a player who himself has played bad this year
2021-11-24 10:20
So he's not gonna say "I am trash" straight in some interview
2021-11-24 17:54
Grim, Naf and Fallen had very little share in the failure of the roster compared to Stewie and Elige, sure they could have done better in-game but overall Liquid could have gotten way better results if Elige and Stewie just made up their minds and let Fallen IGL
2021-11-24 02:28
Not only that, he pointed the finger at grim
2021-11-27 09:17
I feel u
2021-11-24 03:44
He's always been a snake, remember he's the reason cloud9 broke up
2021-11-27 09:29
#4
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Brazil williamhsk1
why so many threads about Grim? Liquid players want to kick him?
2021-11-24 01:57
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#6
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United States kami917
Stewie talked a lot of shit on him in his interview today.
2021-11-24 01:57
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Expected from Stilt2k
2021-11-24 01:59
#8
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United States qoietsammy
He said twice that grim came in at the wrong place wrong time and tried to respect him as much as possible while making a point about the team. Stop reading into it just to hate stewie
2021-11-24 01:58
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#10
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United States kami917
Dude that’s bullshit and you know it, he only said those things to try and act nice. You can’t say that a player is all aim and that they need their hand held not being disrespectful. He could’ve just cost grim his career at t1
2021-11-24 01:59
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#14
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United States qoietsammy
ah yes because 1. NA has other t1 teams 2. People looking at Stewie's interview comments when making decisions about Grim
2021-11-24 02:00
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#21
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United States kami917
He could’ve gone international, other NA players have. Also you don’t think people value a major and grand slam winning player’s opinion?
2021-11-24 02:04
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yeah but it's the truth though, Grim has been underperforming even if he has a role that he doesn't feel comfortable with. What, you gonna give the star role from Elige to Grim, when Elige has proven so many times that he's better for that role? Or take away the lurking position that Naf dominates. Can't take Fallen's role. Maybe Stewie's role...idk... But in my opinion, I think that he was not really a good fit for the team as Grim is meant for a star role, not support. And please do not mention that Grim needs more time, he is already more than a year in the team. Stewie is just speaking the truth in a non-toxic and nice way which you guys just literally made it seem it was so deep and toxic as if he utterly shit-talked on grim.
2021-11-24 07:48
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#88
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United States kami917
It’s pretty obvious from your 3 comments on this post you have no real understanding of this situation, don’t have the ability to read between the lines, and can’t understand why this is such a major issue. Im not sure if you’ve ever played organized sports or any sort of team game but you never call out individual teammates like this, ever.
2021-11-24 08:01
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Yes, I do understand the situation very clearly, it's just that many of you sensitive hltv users choose to misunderstand that critique is showing the analyzing the mistakes someone makes and not some shit-talking. So many pros criticize other pros that it is common. Grim can either learn and use that critique as motivation to get better or soften up and go down knowing that the critique he received from Stewie was right. Like I said you are being too sensitive about this situation and misinterpreting Stewie's words. Not the deep man. sorry for this enormous paragraph btw.
2021-11-24 08:16
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#100
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United States kami917
You don’t need to apologize about the paragraph, but if you can provide me with 3 examples of CS pros saying things like “all aim” “really needs his hand held” “really slow learner” then I’ll agree that I’m being over sensitive and move on. This isn’t just pros critizing pros, this is arguably the most experienced player publicly blaming the most inexperienced player for some of the team’s short comings. Edit: I agree this is great motivation for grim, hopefully someone will give him another chance at t1.
2021-11-24 08:23
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Ex: Liquid Simple, Smooya, and of course the main talk Stewie2k. These three all criticized other pros before. and I changed my mind slightly as I also agree with you a bit that experienced pros shouldn't be too hard on inexperienced pros. Also, irrelevant video that the cs trash talking is not on the same level as COD: youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbCkU_-cM
2021-11-24 08:33
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#110
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United States kami917
I don’t think it’s as big of a deal for pros to criticize pros, just openly criticizing your teammates with terms like all aim and really slow. It’s just not something you say publicly as a professional. This goes for all professions as well, you wouldn’t do that to a coworker in front of your whole department or in front of the whole company and customers right? It’s just a terribly bad look and very disrespectful.
2021-11-24 08:39
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+1
2021-11-24 08:57
People absolutely take player opinions into account when deciding who to sign. I'm not saying Grim will be blackballed, but having the most accomplished player in NA history criticize his work ethic and call him a slow learner would cause any competent GM to at least look into it. Like imagine Fallen or Coldzera questioning a young BR talents work ethic and calling them a slow learner. What GM wants someone who has teammates questioning their work ethic and learning ability?
2021-11-24 02:06
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+1. No one knows a player as well as their teammates so it’s their opinions that should be taken most serious
2021-11-24 02:36
Yea he literally said hes a nice guy but needs a better work ethic and is a slow learner. Like he literally called him a slow learner word for word. Should have kept it to himself
2021-11-24 02:01
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#20
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United States kami917
Exactly, anyone who doesn’t understand how this is a major breach of respect for his teammate needs to evaluate their social skills.
2021-11-24 02:03
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not that deep...
2021-11-24 07:52
#31
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United States EDBX
It was totally classless from Stewie. Calling him a slow learner, poor work ethic, even alluded to him being all aim no brain if he didn't say it directly. He could have just said Grim wasn't the player they needed and couldn't adjust to the new roles. Totally fair.
2021-11-24 02:18
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#33
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 02:21
Maybe he is not a slow learned but whoever teaches him is a bad teacher
2021-11-24 08:47
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#122
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 08:52
#183
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United States EDBX
+1
2021-11-24 10:46
It was really out of charts. Specially when you know that NA is struggling. Some ppl remind me that when Stewie tweet the 10 am post, Stewie was streaming until 4 am. Cmon, look at yourself if you blame others for bad ethics.
2021-11-24 04:38
But he also said this, when him and grim still have a game to play with that team. Even if grim is the problem, what stewie said doesn't help that situation. All it does is create an even more toxic team environment for their next game. There are plenty of players who have and will have disagreements and not think their teammate is performing. But to bring it up publicly before a match isn't classy and it's a pretty big dick move
2021-11-24 08:49
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#199
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United States smartKid
He went out of his way to defend grim on twitter. Replying to anything that tried to say he called grim bad. He even stated repeatedly that the biggest issues was team chemistry and grim is not at fault for that. You just don’t like Stewie and are trying your hardest to make him seem bad
2021-11-26 16:28
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Im aware he defended grim on twitter. But that doesn't change the fact before a match that they had to play he said, "I think his work ethic can be a lot better, he can work a lot harder for where he is as a player and where he stands right now" "the amount of times you have to really hold his hand and guide him to the right areas. He's not really learning on his own" "for me he was a very slow learner, it kind of hurt us a bit in the long run, but we work with what we can." I don't dislike stewie and i have rooted for him for years, but what he said was un called for. I think if he said it after liquid got eliminated that would have been much better and timelier. But its messed up that he said it before a game they had to play together. I personally dont think teams should air out there issues to the world, until changes have been made
2021-11-27 02:22
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#216
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United States smartKid
I just don’t see that as rude or un called for. Saying someone takes a while to learn is not rude. Saying someone isn’t working hard is the truth and shouldn’t be hidden . Saying you have to hold his hand is an unfortunate reality and could have been sugar coated but it’s not uncalled for. But let’s assume he said this after he left the team, what would change? Instead of stew being called a bad teammate he would have been labeled as a shitty person who’s just butt-hurt about leaving liquid, loosing the entire year and is now blaming the new kid on the team. Grim also was 100% told this before stew was honest with the interviewer. I don’t know why people make it seem like this would be news to grim. TLDR: stew did not do anything rude or uncalled for by being truthful about his opinions on grim. People are blowing it way out if proportion.
2021-11-27 16:07
grim has had a year to adapt to the T1 scene and his roles, he obviously can't fill these shoes. He will probably go back to T2 NA team and be insane but he likely won't return to T1 unless EG/C9 are willing to risk it.
2021-11-24 01:59
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#15
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United States kami917
You can’t force a player into a role, change coaches, players and igls, multiple times and expect a player to adapt. Not to mention the shit team atmosphere is probably extremely demotivating.
2021-11-24 02:00
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Even with those changes, he's had the same role and can't play it. He makes dumb mistakes all the time. He's got good aim but you can see it when things get hectic he doesn't make good judgements.
2021-11-24 04:32
+100
2021-11-24 04:59
#12
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North America minte
Grim is bad because he is a bad player, cant really blame it entirely on everyone else
2021-11-24 02:00
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#17
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United States kami917
That’s bullshit dude, even when grim played t1 teams in triumph he destroyed. It’s because that team has been in shambles for almost his whole time there.
2021-11-24 02:02
Stewie used to be all aim no brain as well, but for a few years now he has neither.
2021-11-24 02:00
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#18
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United States kami917
Just his shitty fucking attitude is all he has these days
2021-11-24 02:02
#22
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Italy steven513
+1
2021-11-24 02:05
It's not talking shit jesus fucking christ people are so sensitive these days. I think stewies comments about grim not being a competitive type is more telling there are lots of good players who lack this trait. I've watched f0rest since 1.6 one of the best players ever but he does not have the winning mentality either, add shroud to that list also.
2021-11-24 02:05
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#23
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United States kami917
It’s 100% shit talking, I’m an American I know our culture man, he tried to disguise it like he was being nice but it’s obvious to me that he doesn’t respect him at all. No good teammate would publicly berate his other teammates.
2021-11-24 02:06
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I know you're culture well also, you're a sensitive bunch can't take a joke can't take criticism it's half the reason why NA is terrible at team games, most of you all want pats on the back and gold stars along with attendance awards.
2021-11-24 02:07
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#26
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United States kami917
Sensitive bunch eh? How’s lockdown going btw? Australians are no better than anyone else, just as soft as Americans and English, Russians and French.
2021-11-24 02:09
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Australians are softer than Americans in areas yes you are correct. Thanks for proving my point get criticised and then attempt to insult due to my flair.
2021-11-24 02:12
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#28
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United States kami917
See? The whole world is soft man, it’s the way things are going.
2021-11-24 02:13
The hard way is to bash your teammate in front of "esport" fans, called him bad ethics (do you remember the Stewie 10am tweet ?) Do you remember what was doing at 4 am the day before ? It is not about been soft, it is about blaming others for his own part of guilt.
2021-11-24 04:42
#77
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Australia z3ro_
Can I ask in which ways are we softer?
2021-11-24 07:36
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Whinge do nothing about it and give in.
2021-11-24 07:42
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#145
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Australia z3ro_
I'm not the one whinging about how people from the US are sensitive
2021-11-24 09:13
but in this case, ur still being a bit too sensitive about this whole Stewie shit-talking thing.
2021-11-24 07:54
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#87
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United States kami917
Do you not recognize the impact this could have on grim’s career?
2021-11-24 07:59
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Well If I can go in person and talk with Grim regarding this question. I would say "Welcome to reality" where criticism could either toughen you up and motivate you to work harder or be soo sensitive that it softens you and will ultimately fail in your career. This is how the world works bro, criticism is said from almost every pro on the cs scene. If you can't take it then you will fail miserably.
2021-11-24 08:05
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#96
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United States kami917
You’re still missing the point dude, it’s not about the criticism, it’s about stewie saying it in public. That is a discussion for behind closed doors, he easily could’ve said that grim just didn’t fit well with the team, he didn’t have to say he is all aim or that he’s a really slow learner or that his work ethic could be better. You just don’t do that to a teammate in public. How would you feel if someone publicly humiliated you for something that could jeopardize your job security and future opportunities?
2021-11-24 08:11
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Prove their ass wrong. That's my opinion. I am the type of person that always tries to prove people wrong. It's just that Grim needs to toughen up, he's gonna get a lot of criticism from not just his teammates or other pros, but obviously the fans as well. And also that thing you said about it jeopardizing job security, I'm pretty sure it won't really do anything even though it's from a major/GS winner. Grim has proven at times that he can show up on games, so I am confident that he will do fine. Plus he has time to change.
2021-11-24 08:24
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#105
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United States kami917
I appreciate and share your mentality in most aspects of life. And I hope that you are right, however I still disagree that this is an over analysis and overly sensitive. But alas, that is what debate is for, and I appreciate you not devolving into anger to get your point across.
2021-11-24 08:31
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Thanks, I also really appreciate that we had this debate. You changed my mind a bit on this matter. Thank you for also not getting angry, which a lot of people do during debates.
2021-11-24 08:37
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#111
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 08:40
Like I get it, Stewie was being a little bit too honest which could make an impact on Grim's career but yet again, Stewie experienced it himself. He was criticized for being bad, being a bot, cheater, lazy, bad attitude, and so on but he made it. And now, he's just trying to help Grim. I'm not saying it was a good way but it worked for him and Stew is known for being brutally honest so can't we just say how things go?
2021-11-24 08:43
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#116
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United States kami917
But was he ever criticized by his current teammates and igl like that? For someone who went through that, I would think you wouldn’t want to hinder anyone in that way unless you just don’t like them. He said exactly how he felt, and the fact that he felt is was okay to do so when talking about his teammate is the problem. But we definitely will see how things go, I just hope this doesn’t ruin grim’s career
2021-11-24 08:49
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It's true that Stew has never faced this before but I still think Stew did this to help Grim but it turned badly pretty quickly so let's see
2021-11-24 08:51
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#162
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 09:42
#59
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Palestine __rQ__
Isn't it enough proof to start it off by calling a guy only 2 years younger than you a "kid" lmao. Bad move stew, bad move.
2021-11-24 04:42
Idk what exactly stewie said but grim is a huge reason behind liquid's failure
2021-11-24 02:16
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#32
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United States kami917
No, a lack of a solid team chemistry, strong leadership in and out of the game, and unwillingness to change the core is a huge reason TL failed
2021-11-24 02:20
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Grim has lost them so many matches with his bad play ajd dumb mistakes. Great against ecos and maybe a round or two with 3/4 kills, the whole match.
2021-11-24 04:56
#200
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United States smartKid
huh, isn't that what stew said in his interview? That team chemistry was the issue and not grim, he was just wrong place wrong time and that due to the team chemistry he (stew) was not able to devote enough time to actually teaching grim. Yet all you remember is that he said he has a poor work ethic.
2021-11-26 16:58
+1
2021-11-24 09:16
#35
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Denmark thekr4k3n
stewie is toxic as fuck
2021-11-24 02:22
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#36
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 02:24
ur too sensitive. it's not that deep.
2021-11-24 07:55
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#185
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Denmark thekr4k3n
not saying about this interview, he is just toxic in general
2021-11-24 11:51
exactly. imo this shoulda been a private conversation for the most part but it does need to be said to grim. tbh having a shit work ethic is already bad but pair that whit slow learning (which i don't believe is true unless it is because of shitty internal issues) People should realize criticism is essential in growth. I truly believe that if grim takes this to heart he could be the star of na very soon
2021-11-24 02:26
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#43
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United States EDBX
Okay but there is constructive criticism and just criticism. poor work ethic = constructive slow learner = just insulting. The fact that he said it in a public interview is quite disrespectful.
2021-11-24 04:02
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which is why i said private conversation. I completely agree that it insulting and shouldn't be said to a teammate especially publicly.
2021-11-24 04:20
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#53
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 04:30
Hard agree, Disapointed about stewie, i see some points in his argue but you can't use those words to describe an a (ex) teammate. Bad teammate, huge ego and he was shit in end of 2019 and all 2020 and some part of 2021.
2021-11-24 02:45
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#49
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 04:25
yea honestly how can stewie criticize grim when they have basically the same stats the past year despite stewie having 4x the experience. stewie is the problem in liquid and he knows it. guy loses aim duels that NA dmg's would win constantly. he's trying to shift the blame to grim
2021-11-24 04:38
#161
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United States julianwb
grim was put into a shitty situation from the start from having to play a role he doesn't know and then changes every few months and shitty environemt
2021-11-24 09:41
#42
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Germany G3er
Facts dont care about your feelings whether it was criticism or not grim was an inexperienced tier 2 NA player that came to play in tier 1 tournaments out of nowhere, obviously he had and prob still has lots to learn
2021-11-24 03:56
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#50
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United States kami917
That’s indisputable but stewie putting this much blame and shittalk on grim is unforgivable in my opinion, you don’t talk about teammates like that.
2021-11-24 04:27
#44
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Brazil zzzzzzznt
i dont know why liquid brought fallen when stewie and elige clearly dont respect him or want to listen to his calls. stewie even said fallen was behind in the meta, so why bring him in the first place? why not just a pure good 1.10+ awper like oSee? well, at least fallen played the major and got a lil trophy. stewie think he is a good igl and elige has a big ego, there is no way these guys will win anything like that.
2021-11-24 04:05
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#51
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United States kami917
+1 Elige has big ego but he’s at least respectful. Stewie is ridiculously disrespectful.
2021-11-24 04:28
and now because of fallen they have to fucking disband. 2 faced toleado back at it again, killing another roster that he touches.
2021-11-24 04:07
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#52
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United States kami917
Elige, Stewie, and fallen all want to break up the team. Not fallens fault entirely
2021-11-24 04:30
oh, yeah. That is not because of 2y without meaningful results, it is snake two faced toledo fault.
2021-11-24 10:29
but elige is the issue !!!!1111!!11
2021-11-24 04:08
stewie is pathetic, he knows he is the reason why liquid hasn't achieved anything the past 2 years but instead he's trying to pass the blame to grim on his way out. disgusting. who will want to pick this guy up after this? he's one of the worst T1 pros and he's a piece of shit.
2021-11-24 04:37
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he literally admitted on twitter replying to somebody where he takes a lot of the blame
2021-11-24 05:11
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#68
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United States kami917
Can you link?
2021-11-24 07:26
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2021-11-24 07:36
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#79
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United States kami917
Interesting that he said it on Twitter but no where in the interview. He did mention grim being an up and comer but I don’t remember seeing much mention of the leadership being the driving factor behind grim’s struggles. I think it is more likely that he saw the backlash from the interview and formulated that response. Either way it doesn’t change the fact that he said some fucked up things about his teammate which could compromise grim’s career in the future.
2021-11-24 07:41
#60
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Albania JonZherka
Fuck Stewie, fuck elige. Liquid won't drop elige but they should drop both tbh. Similar players out there and not much of a skill gap
2021-11-24 04:53
You can clearly see that Elige and Stewie are the problem. They have a weak mindset and that harms the entire team. Fallen igl could've worked if they put little trust in him instead of crying about everything that doesn't go their way. Liquid looked so strong as Pro League '14 except for the refrezh 1v5. 2019 worked so well because everyone trusted nitr0. And also grim is not as bad as Stewie pointed him out to be.
2021-11-24 05:03
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#69
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United States kami917
Stew is undoubtedly the worst player on the team at this point, his game hasn’t changed in 2 years, he’s a subpar caller compared to fallen, and the worst fragger on the team. He doesn’t fit, should’ve been kicked when fallen was brought in, grim should’ve been moved to entry and liquid should’ve gotten an experienced player to play grim roles. The fix was easy yet no one saw it because of what the core achieved in 2019.
2021-11-24 07:29
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#124
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United States Azaqa
d e l u s i o n a l clearly you dont understand roles
2021-11-24 08:52
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#132
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United States kami917
It was theoretical, you clearly are stupid and don’t understand anything. Please stop commenting now before you expose yourself further
2021-11-24 09:03
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#136
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United States Azaqa
"the worst fragger on the team." find me an entry fragger who top frags every game ROFL, also why would you put grim on hard entry thats even harder for him???? Youre actually delusional as fuck
2021-11-24 09:05
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#150
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United States kami917
I never said an entry top frags every game, but also i guess you’ve never heard of yekindar, don’t remember 2017 rain, or 2014-2015 apex, and didn’t watch much NiKo at the major. It’s not also not harder for a player with that level of mechanical skill to entry, that’s why bymas performed so much better on mouse than he did on faze. An entry fragger has one job, a support player, site anchor, or a lurker has many jobs. Clearly you don’t understand roles quite as well as you think you do, seriously this is the last reply you get from me regardless of how wrong you are in any other comment.
2021-11-24 09:21
1 reply
#153
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United States Azaqa
So now it comes out, there have been (3) true talents who were able to top frag in the history of CS, and yekindar is already slowing down. Also bymas is literally the 2nd worst player on mouz and is most likely getting replaced lmao... Also not sure what youre on about, acting like "site anchor" fits right in with "lurker" "support" and "entry fragger"??? You know who else has one job? An awper, or a rifler. What is grim? A rifler. Also conveniently ignoring #129 huh?
2021-11-24 09:24
+1 that guy is a snowflake jesus. he replies to everyone that does not have the same view as him in this thread its actually saddening.
2021-11-24 09:21
8 replies
#152
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United States kami917
It’s called a discussion dipshit, I also reply to people that agree with me but that doesn’t fit your narrative so you say some dumb shit like this. Your name certainly checks out. It’s my thread, do you think I made it to just let people comment on it and not reply? Do you not think shit through or are you just as stupid as the rest of the Americans who don’t understand the difference between facts and opinions? I’d assume the later
2021-11-24 09:24
5 replies
its not a discussion if you cant take other people's opinion and see that there is truth to both side of the discussion. That's just you pushing your own opinions on other people , dipshit. Stew wasn't wrong for telling the world what he thought of grim. stop being delusional.
2021-11-24 09:27
4 replies
#158
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United States kami917
#50 #105, tell me more about how I can’t accept other people’s opinions and see both sides of the discussion. Stew was extremely wrong for doing it, you just can’t see it because you’re severely lacking in cognitive function. Stop being a toxic fuck.
2021-11-24 09:34
3 replies
so 2 replies out of the hundreds of others which you just ask them to shut up because they wont change their minds. Nt snowflake. Stew wasn't wrong because he called grim out. Stew is not "extremely wrong" for calling grim out , it's not a crime. Stop being delusional.
2021-11-24 09:47
2 replies
#168
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United States kami917
2 replies out of hundreds because most people agree with what I said, others were either A. Not worth arguing with, or B. So mentally deficient that they act like you. Also using an alt account to talk shit is rather cowardly, but I’m done replying to you as well, no sense in wasting anymore time on you.
2021-11-24 09:59
1 reply
you are definitely smoking. cry is free
2021-11-24 10:05
#154
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United States Azaqa
hltv.org/forums/threads/2516038/amanek hltv.org/forums/threads/2517477/col after checking some of his other threads, its all adding up ROFL
2021-11-24 09:25
1 reply
expected from an american who names himself kami KEK
2021-11-24 09:48
id honestly rather have this then know nothing abt the liquid situation, id trust insider information coming from one of the players themselves than all you hltv users being mad cuz hes speaking facts
2021-11-24 05:05
10 replies
#66
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United States kami917
It’s not facts, it’s his opinion about grim stupid.
2021-11-24 07:23
9 replies
It is facts, he's literally being honest about Grim's work ethic and shit, tf are you smoking?
2021-11-24 07:25
8 replies
#70
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United States kami917
That’s not a fact idiot, it’s his opinion about how things are going. Surely you are trolling and know the difference between fact and opinions. Just because he believes that is what has happened doesn’t make it a fact or truth.
2021-11-24 07:31
7 replies
#123
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United States Azaqa
Hahaha yes its just an "opinion" lets just ignore the fact hes been living with him for 18 months practicing with him every day. If stewie said it, its a fact.
2021-11-24 08:52
6 replies
#130
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United States kami917
Ok I was trying to be nice to you but you’re just as stupid as the guy I replied to.
2021-11-24 09:02
5 replies
technically its an opinion but who am i supposed to believe? some random hltv.org member or a player that knows so much abt the game and is a vet, having played w grim for so long... just think abt that faze fan and also cope cuz u guys choked so hard rn
2021-11-24 16:40
4 replies
#188
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United States kami917
Idk what’s wrong with Americans on this site, you idiots are the only ones who seem not to understand simple logic.
2021-11-24 16:54
3 replies
instead of saying that maybe explain whats wrong w my statement, imagine flaming americans while putting american flag... i wud rather trust what stewie says than some random hltv.orger, am i wrong?
2021-11-24 17:52
2 replies
#195
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United States kami917
If the whole team including the coach said these things about grim, then it would be fact. If one player says this about his teammate, it's just his opinion. No one besides stew has said anything about Grim other than elige who i think mentioned the role clash. You don't recognize this, it's fine but you should not let your like of stewie as a player cloud your judgement here. Sorry for insulting you, it's just multiple Americans (which I am, from the southeast in the bible belt) flamed me for my opinion and it's very frustrating that you would call something fact when it's obviously not and you've even acknowledged that. It was clear in stewie's interview that he never wanted grim in the team to start with, and to me at least it's obvious that he has a clear lack of respect for him, calling him a kid, all aim, a slow learner, needs better work ethic. You don't say this about a teammate if you respect him regardless of how he performs.
2021-11-24 18:29
1 reply
ok
2021-11-24 18:31
Silver take
2021-11-24 07:31
1 reply
#75
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United States kami917
German brain doesn’t know toxic no surprise there
2021-11-24 07:34
#73
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Italy bennyhana
if fallen isnt igl why is he on the team
2021-11-24 07:33
1 reply
#78
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United States kami917
That’s what he was brought in to do, but stewie claimed he was behind the meta, which fallen also said so in any case he could still be a primary awper but that didn’t fix their igl problem. I’m not sure why they never attempted to get a better igl or an up and coming igl from NA to replace stewie.
2021-11-24 07:42
Might have been the truth, but those were some really harsh words from Stewie. It's understandable that he doesn't want to sugar-coat it, but man, it was really harsh.
2021-11-24 07:42
1 reply
#90
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United States kami917
It was down right wrong, you don’t publicly call out a teammate like that, especially the most inexperienced player on the team that has obviously struggled for obvious reasons. This is a classic scapegoat tactic.
2021-11-24 08:02
It's probably half true ,half bias. Nothing wrong with Stewie saying what he actually thinks.
2021-11-24 07:46
3 replies
#94
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United States kami917
No but there is something wrong with scapegoating the most inexperienced player in the team who obviously was forced into a shit role he never played, especially since it happened with him coming into t1. No one on the team was willing to change their role to see if they could all perform better as a team. I understand it somewhat, but if elige is truly the best player in NA then he could’ve compromised his role to better his teammate while still performing, right?
2021-11-24 08:06
2 replies
I don't think he just scapegoated Grim. He said some negative things about fallen and the team working together as a whole too. He was asked what he thought specifically about him and said what came out of his mouth. I don't really see the logic of elige role switching or whatever but i don't really analyze that kind of stuff. I like Grim as a player and hopefully we can see him work well on the next teams roster.
2021-11-24 09:04
1 reply
#156
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United States kami917
He spoke much worse about grim than he did anyone else, I mean i feel it’s a bit different if it was an experienced player he was talking about who was unwilling to practice or learn, but that’s not the case here
2021-11-24 09:30
#89
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United States TARIK_GOAT
he has a point though, grim really didn't fit in with liquid. he didn't have to take shots at him though, bot2k is a carried player that contributed nothing to liquid. tarik >>>> noob2k
2021-11-24 08:01
3 replies
#91
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United States kami917
2021-11-24 08:03
2 replies
#92
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United States TARIK_GOAT
ur right, he should've shut up. doesn't mean he's wrong though, because it really doesn't seem like grim was the answer for liquid (or fallen.)
2021-11-24 08:04
1 reply
#95
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United States kami917
What he said may not be wrong from the performance standpoint of grim, but you simply don’t do that to an individual teammate in public. It can definitely hurt grim in the future if he isn’t a part of the new liquid lineup.
2021-11-24 08:08
Stewie2k terrible
2021-11-24 08:15
no wonder twistzz left. remember when they threw him under the bus when in reality the team was in shambles after nitr0 left?
2021-11-24 08:17
2 replies
#103
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United States kami917
Very clearly. This is why I made this post, this isn’t the first time it’s happened. Stewie is in a leadership role yet he is absolutely one of the worst leaders in the t1 scene, I can say only HUNDEN is worse without a doubt.
2021-11-24 08:27
This
2021-11-24 09:54
#104
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Other tym2die55
Bro atleast grim performed vs tier 1 teams. He even got ace vs NIP and performed decently well against tier 1 teams. But stewie on the other hand only performs vs nonamers. Remove him first. Jesus Christ Bot2k
2021-11-24 08:28
5 replies
#106
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 08:31
#119
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United States Azaqa
wow he got ace vs nip! hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD.. hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD.. hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD.. how is this decently well? compare stews and in even worse roles WHILE igling he still has 0.05 higher rating, impact etc., youre just biased af
2021-11-24 08:50
3 replies
#126
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United States kami917
If we look at this in terms of LAN, grim was better than stewie against top 5 and top 10 while stewie was better against top 15 and top 20. You’re also failing to mention that stewie chose where he played and his role, grim didn’t. The fact that stew had control over his positions and role and still performed that badly indicates to me that grim is a better player then stewie.
2021-11-24 08:58
2 replies
#129
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United States Azaqa
hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD.. hltv.org/stats/players/8797/stewie2k?sta.. no, no he wasnt. grim was still worse than stew on lan. especially if you set filter to top 10, where theres 0.09 difference in rating. Idk wtf youre smoking man LMAO, also if you think stewie wants to be playing the roles hes playing youre delusional as fuck. Look what stewie played in c9, or in 2019 liquid and look what hes doing now.
2021-11-24 09:01
1 reply
#178
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Other tym2die55
You are clearly biased towards stewie I get it. I am saying what I saw. We all have watched Liquid matches and grim had an insane impact in some of them. I hope eg fails terribly if they pick him up.
2021-11-24 10:23
Also for the people defending stewie, Liquid still has to play with this team. Its not like the roster changes are happening in this moment and stewie is reflecting... Grim has to see this and play with stewie and his team again.
2021-11-24 08:43
#115
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United States Azaqa
If its the truth I see no problem with it. People getting mad at honesty, what do u want him to say "grim was insane teammate all the problems in the team this year just appeared out of nowhere no idea what went wrong!", he also said what he did wrong and what fallen did wrong in the team. Why would you want players to give shitty PR answers for interviews? Honesty is always better.
2021-11-24 08:48
6 replies
#127
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United States kami917
Have you ever played any type of sport or team game competitively? You don’t publicly criticize players, all he had to say that grim came in at a bad time and wasn’t a good fit. Any team looking to add grim in the future could reach out to stewie and ask for his full opinion, which would be acceptable, but to do it in public is not.
2021-11-24 09:00
5 replies
#135
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United States Azaqa
Hes literally not on the team anymore? Like I said he accepted his own part in the problem and mentioned the problem with fallen as well. Also just google it there are so many cases of players criticizing former teammates or sometimes even current teammates like this. essentiallysports.com/basketball-nba-new..
2021-11-24 09:04
4 replies
#139
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United States kami917
Seriously this is the last time I’m replying to you because you’re so dumb it hurts, but where exactly does Lebron criticize any of his teammates individually?
2021-11-24 09:08
3 replies
#140
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United States Azaqa
2021-11-24 09:09
2 replies
#146
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United States kami917
LeBron mentioned several times in a post-game interview with reporters, that they broke down "individually" on defense. He didn't give any individual players' names, but mentioned they gave up two "and one" plays to Eric Bledsoe down the stretch. Show me where he calls out an individual by name, because that’s the direct paragraph from the second article you just linked.
2021-11-24 09:15
1 reply
#149
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United States Azaqa
Well I remember the news at the time, and it was headlines that he had criticized his specific teammate. Obviously if someone watched the game theyd know gave up those plays. Youre literally playing semantics at this point.
2021-11-24 09:17
#120
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Sweden sn1pie
Many teams has done the same thing, put the new guy in to a position where you need much experience. It's not only liquid.
2021-11-24 08:51
3 replies
#128
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United States kami917
I recognize that, but they also don’t publicly berate the new guy.
2021-11-24 09:00
2 replies
#131
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Sweden sn1pie
CS teams just need to give the new guys more space so they can get better and gain some experience. That could be a way they can save NA cs
2021-11-24 09:02
1 reply
#143
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 09:11
Nitr0 is the reason for Liquid's downfall. They were great before he left for Valorant. If he stayed, they probably wouldn't lose TwistZz as well. Might have been rivals for Navi and Gambit
2021-11-24 09:04
1 reply
#141
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United States kami917
No man, he was seriously underperforming, low .80 rating if I’m not mistaken. The team was also losing quite a bit, and had been getting worse for months before he left.
2021-11-24 09:10
#137
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Russia Teddy8ear
Stewart10am is a Liquids main problem alone actually. No aim, no brain , but agro peeks like when he was good. And big ego like Elige, but Elige is at least good at CS GO.
2021-11-24 09:07
2 replies
#142
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United States kami917
+1
2021-11-24 09:09
+1
2021-11-24 17:01
grim had one good game against Mibr where he had like 120+ frags in a bo3 and boom, hired. since day 1 I knew he wasn't ready for t1. anyone can play in t1, see taco. grim is not a start player, I would rather have stewie or fallen instead of grim, any day, any time, any team.
2021-11-24 09:07
#144
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United States okuulanda
2021-11-24 09:11
1 reply
#148
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United States kami917
He didn’t because he didn’t feel that way before the article was released, he only said that because of the hate he was getting.
2021-11-24 09:16
what he really said was "jakem0nniiiii"
2021-11-24 09:40
4 replies
#163
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United States kami917
He do be collecting them paychecks tho
2021-11-24 09:44
3 replies
more money for jakem0nni never enough!
2021-11-24 10:00
2 replies
#175
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United States kami917
Lol I can certify that as an American there is never enough money
2021-11-24 10:09
1 reply
As a milk and cheese factory worker Jakem0nni makes way more than an average american
2021-11-24 11:29
bruh liquid had a phase when they were really strong but they dropped to this level even with that roster. such smack talk about previous (still current) teammates when whole team performed badly is pretty immature imo. it's not like stewie or NAF or elige were killing it in the server while fallen and grim struggled. no team just magically glues together but from how he stated things, it seemed like they gave up on this team long ago. if grim didn't fit their requirements, they could have changed. they were almost hoping for it to happen.
2021-11-24 09:56
3 replies
#171
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United States kami917
+1 it’s rather weird that they didn’t make changes much earlier, I’m confused as to why they would continue to play with this roster knowing they couldn’t work together. In any case I hope the best for all the other players besides stewie.
2021-11-24 10:02
2 replies
he is pretty much 'bad advertising' grim and fallen for their future prospects.
2021-11-24 10:05
1 reply
#174
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United States kami917
Yeah I explained that a lot in this thread about Grim, I don’t think fallen is at risk though. I think most smart team managers can look at this whole liquid situation and see exactly how fucked it is
2021-11-24 10:09
#170
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Japan Haachama
Shouldve said it in private but at least he said his mind with no bs tbh This is karma for not signing vanity
2021-11-24 10:02
1 reply
#176
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United States kami917
I would’ve respected it a lot more if he had just said grim was a bad fit, but he took it too far. And it is 100% karma for not signing vanity,
2021-11-24 10:10
He also admitted himself though, that they weren't able to give Grim a good chance or whatever, that it was a bad time for a rookie to join the team, etc. He didn't blame it all on Grim. Clearly put part of the blame on the environment he himself was a part of.
2021-11-24 10:26
csgo gonna get rid of him
2021-11-24 10:29
one of the sh1t igl won 2 majors and several big events against big teams like FaZe Astralis etc, also won top 2 in hltv. You should have more respect
2021-11-24 10:36
Stewie2Faced Toledo
2021-11-24 11:52
He didn't say anything that we never heard about rookie players, just that you are making a big deal out of it because of the Liquid situation opportunistically. Apex said stuff about misutaa and Kiojin, so did hampus and device about LNZ, so did s1mple about b1t at the beginning, so did CadiaN.... people forget grim was a rookie. If the guy is not working hard and is not practicing enough.. and is repeating the same mistakes that they told him about internally, then it's on him. We don't know what happens within the team tactically and from a prep and demo pov, you're just speculating here.
2021-11-24 17:01
Steaming10am as IGL was the dumbest Liquid move 100%
2021-11-24 16:59
grim_did_nothing_wrong
2021-11-24 17:00
Stewies a 160cm 45kg little bitch
2021-11-26 16:11
3 replies
LMAO, i mean if he actually thinks he can IGL liquid he is a lil bitch fo real
2021-11-26 16:59
2 replies
Big ego
2021-11-26 17:56
1 reply
2021-11-26 17:57
exactly, faze bymas situation all over again
2021-11-26 16:59
-stewie -elige and liquid will be fine.
2021-11-26 17:00
1 reply
#214
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Sweden ezwuo
-elige = dead team
2021-11-27 09:30
Stewie's blunt, which makes it even more necessary to read what he says more carefully. I don't like that Stew discredited Grim like that -- seems he was just emotionally unstable. His interview was the following: Stew is pissed about recent events. Feels as though Grim has to be groomed and doesn't work by himself enough. Stew admits that's the teams fault though. The team isn't looking to nurture new talent, they needed someone who is passive and experienced since they already have 3 aggro, impact players. He feels like Grim was not what the team needed. And apparently Elige agrees. As Stew said, Grim was a superstar and could be again, but TL doesn't need that and he doesn't want that.
2021-11-27 02:35
Or stewie is completely right and you are just mad.
2021-11-27 09:19
1 reply
#215
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Sweden ezwuo
They took someone who was a star in his previous team, made him a support player and threw him under the bus because he can't support. NA recruitment logic, why not just get an actual support player instead.
2021-11-27 09:36
fallen not a real igl now? ..........
2021-11-27 09:26
This @kami917 fker just woke up to jump on the stewie-hate bandwagon. Honestly sit the f down and deal with the fact that you're literally +1ing every negative comment against stewie. Very constructive criticism ay. Do you really think stewie is dumb enough to succumb to the heat of the moment and take a stab at grim in a live interivew? Everyone is taking this shit out of context it's hilarious. If even you're "smart" enough to pick out stewie's supposed toxicity, why wouldn't a professional org not consider this? Honestly get off grims dk and consult a brain surgeon to remove stewie out of your small head.
2021-11-30 10:10
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