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The fall of Liquid
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United States Ethanmeister 
Do you think we're already witnessing it? (Probably started back in StarLadder if so).
2021-11-24 12:04
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
No, after they brought Grim, IMO things started to go down, when they brought fallen, things just went to shit
2021-11-24 12:05
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When they took a break before StarLadder and they weren't the same team that won the grand slam. After that they continued to sink downhill until falleN came along and thing picked up a bit but, now, it seems it's all gone to shit.
2021-11-24 12:07
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#7
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
There is some truth that they weren’t the same team that won igs, sad to see such a rapid fall of NA for cs in general
2021-11-24 12:08
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FeelsBadMan
2021-11-24 12:09
It was already going down before that. twistzz was performing way below his capabilities months before they brought in grim and Liquid looked quite bad
2021-11-24 12:07
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#9
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Well, they were at least somewhat capable of going far into the even, but now it’s like they are the contenders to go out first
2021-11-24 12:09
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For sure. The clash of game philosophies when FalleN joined was the final nail in the coffin
2021-11-24 12:10
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In retrospect, sure, you could say that...I don't really know exactly what effect FalleN was having on the mental state of the team but honestly I think liquid looked pretty decent after FalleN came in, especially compared to recently before that. I actually had my hopes up for the major until I found out adreN wasn't going to be there.
2021-11-24 12:21
This roster is totally dead, dunno about the org. Just look at their faces, they look like they could brawl anytime lmao. And reading their interviews, damn, it hurt. Weird vibes overall.
2021-11-24 12:05
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#31
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Argentina Aleeee
+1 lol, imagine elige or someone getting up from the chair just to beat up fallen
2021-11-24 20:21
#3
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Italy I_like_csgo
They will rebuild and come back stronger
2021-11-24 12:06
I really hope Liquid will bounce back after a shuffle, they need to rework their team and fix their issues. It hurts CS as a whole that NA can't be competitive.
2021-11-24 12:07
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Yeah hard to imagine any available Liquid rosters atm that would be obvious picks whether NA or international, though.
2021-11-24 12:57
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#36
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United States Azaqa
? So many players floating around, even an all NA team is possible for an insane roster
2021-11-24 21:20
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I aren't think that. #28 would probably be the best roster they could possibly scrounge together atm.
2021-11-24 21:22
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#40
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United States Azaqa
Tarik, rush, eg guys, obo, junior, autimatic possible return, possibly extra salt/bnb guys all floating around
2021-11-24 21:53
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I don't think any of them could make liquid an insane roster, other than oSee and floppy, if NAF leaves, tarik or rush would be good supports and if for whatever reason nitr0 doesn't come through then stanislaw would be a decent fragging igl but I don't think his leading game sense is deep enough. I see oSee and floppy as a pair if they were to come but if they don't junior and obo aren't terrible choices but, again can't see them making liquid insane. Auti was pretty nice at Gen G but same sentiment with him as well and returning to pro play after a year would put an even bigger question mark over his head.
2021-11-24 22:05
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#42
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United States Azaqa
I mean just imagine nitr0 elige obo osee/junior and rush, that roster is actually insane
2021-11-24 22:27
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junior, eh. oSee maybe. That's a roster I could live with.
2021-11-24 22:28
well the rumors are: Elige Nitr0 Shox Vini +Awper
2021-11-24 22:38
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yeah, not thrilled.
2021-11-24 22:39
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well I actually like what they're doing here. Obv. depending on who they add as an awper, the only thing that seems interesting is shox, does he want to go to NA or is Liquid gonna go to EU?
2021-11-24 22:42
nitr0 pls save liquid
2021-11-24 12:12
They fell off after 2019 summer break
2021-11-24 12:25
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exactly
2021-11-24 12:28
We need nitr0 and Twistzz back to Liquid
2021-11-24 12:47
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Twistzz looks good on FaZe and I would prefer that he doesn't get dragged back into Liquid's issues. Plus even with Liquid's grand slam winning roster they had an almost year long spell of performances far below their level when they won the grand slam, before taking that pre-major break, from which they continued to decline. So it's far from a guarantee that they'd return to form even if twistzz and nitr0 came back, which I see as highly unlikely.
2021-11-24 13:02
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Maybe yeah
2021-11-24 14:34
#17
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Denmark kns377
They just need some roster changes (and with that, fresh energy) Even atm i would say they have the pieces to be a top 3 team, but there is something wrong with the mentality in the team
2021-11-24 12:49
#19
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Brazil Lostty
that 5v1 kill this roster
2021-11-24 13:04
I feel like only Elige has that hunger to win right now. Rather give some upcoming players the chance to compete, who actually don't just want to get paid.
2021-11-24 13:15
Never thought watching my favorite team get destroyed could be so entertaining. Maybe I'm a bad fan lol
2021-11-24 13:54
Started after Nitr0 left lmao
2021-11-24 13:57
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2021-11-24 13:58
After grand slam definitely
2021-11-24 14:27
#26
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Brazil Nicolito
Liquid -FalleN -Stewie2K +??? +VINI FURIA - VINI - drop +FalleN +Coldzera you heard here first.
2021-11-24 14:36
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FURIA downgrade, TL upgrade
2021-11-24 22:37
Liquid org needs to grab all the hot prospects from NA and literally start from scratch Otherwise they risk continuing down the same path indefinitely Bad thing is they don't have fragging IGLs in the region, like at all
2021-11-24 14:40
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I dunno there isn't too much to go off of in NA atm floppy oSee nitr0 elige and NAF is a roster I could definitely live with but seems unlikely since NAF is rumored out as well and, who knows how hard it would be to get oSee and floppy considering oSee's previous refusal to join C9 and floppy experience in joining C9...
2021-11-24 19:13
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yeah well should've went for a complete rework a year ago before half of NA switched to Valo
2021-11-24 20:15
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Yeah there was a much larger talent pool back then, though, I wouldn't say there were any obvious answers for liquid back then either.
2021-11-24 21:14
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I could see vanity as AWP-IGL for instance, that'd have fixed a lot of problems for Liquid also could've poached oSee/floppy for sure, not to mention oBo who is likely to end up on TL anyway after the current re-shuffle or some of the ex-chaos guys no obvious answers for sure but then again in NA it's never easy
2021-11-25 12:25
Where have you been? It's been going down hill since they won the grand slam.
2021-11-24 20:17
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I kind of alluded to that in the post in the first place when I mentioned starladder.
2021-11-24 21:16
dont forget that the grand slam happened because Astralis wasnt there
2021-11-24 21:16
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If by not there you mean they weren't at their normal level, yeah ik, it's a shame we never got to see peak liquid vs peak astralis but I'm sure it would've been very competitive given the level of CS liquid was playing back then.
2021-11-24 21:39
TL will build back stronger, they are a smart org and are making moves in their orgs best interests. Jonny Jabs will carry 2022.
2021-11-24 21:17
They have moments of greatness where they can beat anyone but then have moments of bleh and make things harder for them then it should be or just lose. Just depends which team shows up.
2021-11-24 21:21
Yes I accidentally dropped my glass of water
2021-11-24 22:28
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oh no
2021-11-24 22:28
2019 Liquid will never come back, stop dreaming people...
2021-11-24 22:32
when new liquid roster comes out, make a thread called "the Refill of Liquid"
2021-11-24 22:34
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Singapore suisei
Sad to watch honestly, I enjoyed the vlogs and thought they're vibing as a team.
2021-11-24 22:34
in a different world s1mple takes to na and learns english and liquid becomes mixed roster god team with multiple major wins and nike commercials and csgo takes over na gaming.
2021-11-24 22:35
Sad to see :( Nitr0 will be back probably to dead team.
2021-11-24 22:39
there is no igl in NA Liquid became irrelevant once they couldnt just +w and hs everyone they shoulda threw blank cheque at gla1ve/karrigan etc
2021-11-24 22:43
#57
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Brazil Bronly
The Fall of Troy good band
2021-11-25 12:27
imagine if that refrezh 1 v 5 didnt happen. we probably wouldnt be talking about this rn. i think that took a huge toll on the whole team's mentality.
2021-11-25 12:29
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that, or it was partially a result of it, who knows. Either way Liquid has been going downhill for more than the past 2 years and I feel like adreN missing PGL and perhaps also the team's mentality going into could be the final nails in the coffin.
2021-11-25 12:31
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